Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 > > Can someone shed some light on this subject, it makes no sense to me, yet I see doctors in my area who are touting this as a weight loss drug...thanks, El > You can google HCG weightloss, and european and american studies say it is useless. I wont go into detail but it is better if you read it for yourself. If you are in diere need to loose weight, then first you have to change your diet and be firm about it (Attitude). I would not take pills because of the damages it can do to your body, so keeping up a good diet is an essential. Trust me there is no quick way and DO NOT starve yourself because your body will hold on to fat it already has and will think it is in survival mode. The idea is to get your body to use fat as an energy source. This is achieved by Ketosis. Low carb Diet will help in this and also progrestone (Female eqivilent to male testosterone) is something you will want to look into. It will give you that boost of energy you need to keep up. High testosterone in men achieves proper body weight and same for progrestone for women. But that is just my opinion and independant research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 El, here's the lite, it is the repackaging of a german MD, long ago, by recently, the opportunist, Trudeau, is another Jim , ie " he was a stranger and I took him in " . What Trudeau proposes is to take from about 100-200 iu's daily of hcg, then consume no more than 500 calories daily. Injections of HCG, a LH messenger from the pitutitary to the testes to make testosterone for Males. HCG is a senthetic LH messenger, Females LH is helpful to get through the monthly process by increasing progesterone the first half of the period and estrogen the later half, and it may increase testosterone, but that is only my speculation. In my personal experience, more testosterone, less hunger pains, more muscle, less fat, " the good " if and when there is no increase in estrogen levels. As we know estrogen needs fat to be stored, encourages hunger, less muscle, more fat. " the bad and the ugly " is that the diet fails soon as the body senses the extra " T " , it aromatases some to estrogen, diet fails. My training is in dietetics, specializing in weight loss, for eight years in a hospital enviornment. You can use most any method to increase testosterone levels, just ensure you do not also increase estrogen levels, go w/ a diet ie atkins, south sea, ie low carb. no sugar, no white flour, no noodles or instant energy from carbs, watch the beef, as growers inject a lot of estrogen into them to make them grow faster and fatter, we in turn consume the estrogen, look at our little fat kiddies, full of estrogen from hamburgers, and sugar sweetened white flower buns. You will lose weight, no doubt. forget 500 calories, that is dangerously low, and should only be attempted under a MD's scrutiny. Losing weight is a life time challenge, don't crash diet, or you will fail. Remember how the tobacco companies donated heavily to political parties and had their way with our health for fifty years, now the FDA is doing the same, chicken is controlled " tyson " , beef is totally controlled " IBF " , corn and soybeans are totally controlled by huge congomerates. FDA are mostly folks from the huge conglamerates, all returned favors from politicians. One example I am intimately familiar with is chicken, when a kid growing up in Indiana, we produced chickens for Tyson, it took us ninety days to finish off chix for market, Now they are finished in 45 days. Tyson provides the baby chix and the feed, try as you will, noone will ever divulge what is in the tyson feed. If the grower ask to many questions or does not follow tyson's instructions, the grower will lose his contract. So you say, grower, go buy your own chix, your own feed, do it your way. No way, you will soon get broke, as you cannot compete with their feed and chix. I have recently read there are some good natural anti aromatases, pomagranet sp, juice, red clover, chinese peas. But arimidex is the drug of choice to keep estrogen under control stay well, david a HCG for dieting??? > Can someone shed some light on this subject, it makes no sense to me, yet > I see doctors in my area who are touting this as a weight loss > drug...thanks, El > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 El this was posted about this at Dr. 's a cut and paste. ======================================================================== Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes #1 1 Week Ago rick055 Contributor Join Date: Dec 09, 2007 Posts: 1,141 HCG Diet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In another thread, Dr. Crisler comments that HCG serves to keep T levels up while starvation dieting. Doc, does that dose do anything to maintain thyroid levels? I've always heard starvation triggers a slowdown in thyroid production. rick055 View Public Profile Send a private message to rick055 Find all posts by rick055 Add rick055 to Your Contacts #2 1 Week Ago agoraphobe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 11, 2009 Posts: 336 Re: HCG Diet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i don't have the answer on thyroid.. but here's a thread with more info on the hcg diet w/ a post by dr crisler if you were considering it: http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/...light=hcg+diet it's junk. agoraphobe View Public Profile Send a private message to agoraphobe Find all posts by agoraphobe Add agoraphobe to Your Contacts #3 1 Week Ago chilln Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 20, 2008 Posts: 3,164 Re: HCG Diet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by rick055 I've always heard starvation triggers a slowdown in thyroid production. That's correct. .. chilln View Public Profile Send a private message to chilln Find all posts by chilln Add chilln to Your Contacts #4 1 Week Ago blueboy Member Join Date: Jan 13, 2008 Posts: 6 Re: HCG Diet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm considering going to a local anti-aging doctor for HRT, and I see he is a big pusher of the HCG diet on his website. Do you think that is reason enough to eliminate him for HRT? blueboy View Public Profile Send a private message to blueboy Find all posts by blueboy Add blueboy to Your Contacts #5 1 Week Ago bigpappab Senior Member Join Date: Aug 03, 2009 Location: Crestucky Florida..Redneck Riviera Posts: 107 Re: HCG Diet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- yes __________________ Thanks bigpappab View Public Profile Send a private message to bigpappab Send email to bigpappab Find all posts by bigpappab Add bigpappab to Your Contacts #6 1 Week Ago GirlyMan Contributor Join Date: Apr 28, 2008 Location: land Posts: 1,223 Re: HCG Diet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by bigpappab yes ditto __________________ " Birth, and copulation, and death. That's all the facts when you come to brass tacks: Birth, copulation, and death. I've been born, and once is enough. " - T.S.Eliot GirlyMan View Public Profile Send a private message to GirlyMan Find all posts by GirlyMan Add GirlyMan to Your Contacts #7 1 Week Ago medgerton Contributor Join Date: Jun 27, 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 830 Re: HCG Diet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't mind people starving themselves. What I do mind is people starving themselves and sucking up all the HCG supply. medgerton View Public Profile Send a private message to medgerton Send email to medgerton Find all posts by medgerton Add medgerton to Your Contacts #8 1 Week Ago agoraphobe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 11, 2009 Posts: 336 Re: HCG Diet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by blueboy I'm considering going to a local anti-aging doctor for HRT, and I see he is a big pusher of the HCG diet on his website. Do you think that is reason enough to eliminate him for HRT? depends on your personal situation. he would probably be a lot more receptive to your issues than a normal doctor or specialist since he's already doing things that are " alternative " ie anti-aging and crash diets w/ hormones. i wouldn't eliminate someone based on that if your options are limited, but it might create a situation where you're self-medicating and he's just your script-writer if you don't trust him. that isn't always a bad thing if your options are limited. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- And it looks like HCG keeps you from feeling hungary on a 450 cal. Diet. ========================================================================== Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes #1 4 Weeks Ago bigpappab Senior Member Join Date: Aug 03, 2009 Location: Crestucky Florida..Redneck Riviera Posts: 107 HCG for fat loss ads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- While watching some videos last night for mixing HCG, I noticed they kept talking about the HCG diet. I did a search for it...what a crock. They talk of daily HCG injections for a month and cutting calories to 500. Anyone is going to lose weight (mostly muscle) on 500 cals a day. I love how these people prey on the uneducated. On that note, the doc is going to start me on HCG along with the rest of my TRT. Just waiting on script to go through bigpappab View Public Profile Send a private message to bigpappab Send email to bigpappab Find all posts by bigpappab Add bigpappab to Your Contacts #2 4 Weeks Ago GeoBob Member Join Date: Jul 23, 2009 Location: York, Pa Posts: 25 Re: HCG for fat loss ads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My understanding of the addition of HCG is that it keeps the body from consuming mussle tissue while on such a low cal diet. Apparently there have been some articals published about this type of dieting and it is suppose to work. It's just kind of a radical idea for now. I think very obease people have been put on it. I have not read up much on fat reducing diets since it's never been an issue for me until TRT. I'm finally able to to eat with out falling asleep and my workouts are turning into strength training as apposed to excersize. So if I reach my goals soon I'll be thinking about dropping some fat. Any recommended reading would be helpfull. GeoBob View Public Profile Send a private message to GeoBob Find all posts by GeoBob Add GeoBob to Your Contacts #3 4 Weeks Ago buck Contributor Join Date: Jan 25, 2008 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 12 Re: HCG for fat loss ads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My HRT DR. has the hcg diet as part of his practice. I believe that he has his patients take the hcg orally. He tells me he lost 30lbs using it on a 800 cal/day diet.......I kept my comments to myself. buck View Public Profile Send a private message to buck Find all posts by buck Add buck to Your Contacts #4 4 Weeks Ago Dr. Crisler Lord of the Forum Join Date: Dec 09, 2007 Location: East Lansing, MI Posts: 3,907 Re: HCG for fat loss ads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have had thousands of guys on the same dose of HCG they use in that diet, and none of them have had their " hypothalamus reset " . So, do you think it has anything to do with the 450kcal/day diet? Nor can they " now eat anything they want and stay lean " , BTW. The HCG works directly upon the LH receptors in the peripheral (emotional) receptors of the brain. The same boost in mental outlook our TRT patients get from HCG works during starvation dieting. And, yes, as has been noted, raising T levels that drop during starvation helps as well. Pass the word. __________________ www.AllThingsMale.com Any information I may provide does not substitute for a proper medical evaluation by a medical professional; nor does it constitute doctor/patient relationship, or liability, in any way. Dr. Crisler View Public Profile Send a private message to Dr. Crisler Visit Dr. Crisler's homepage! Find all posts by Dr. Crisler Add Dr. Crisler to Your Contacts #5 4 Weeks Ago Bulldog Contributor Join Date: May 10, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,338 Re: HCG for fat loss ads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by GeoBob My understanding of the addition of HCG is that it keeps the body from consuming mussle tissue while on such a low cal diet. Apparently there have been some articals published about this type of dieting and it is suppose to work. It's just kind of a radical idea for now. I think very obease people have been put on it. I have not read up much on fat reducing diets since it's never been an issue for me until TRT. I'm finally able to to eat with out falling asleep and my workouts are turning into strength training as apposed to excersize. So if I reach my goals soon I'll be thinking about dropping some fat. Any recommended reading would be helpfull. Lyle Mc has some great books on fat loss. Bulldog View Public Profile Send a private message to Bulldog Find all posts by Bulldog Add Bulldog to Your Contacts #6 4 Weeks Ago agoraphobe Senior Member Join Date: Apr 11, 2009 Posts: 336 Re: HCG for fat loss ads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by GeoBob My understanding of the addition of HCG is that it keeps the body from consuming mussle tissue while on such a low cal diet. Apparently there have been some articals published about this type of dieting and it is suppose to work. It's just kind of a radical idea for now. I think very obease people have been put on it. HCG for weight loss is as old as the hills and basically a scam. Doesn't the fact that its promoted these days by long time conman Trudeau tell you enough? The central claim of the HCG diet is that you can consume very low calories, 550 a day, targetting " bad " pockets of fat and leaving " good " pockets of fat, not lose organ tissue or muscle tissues, and not feel like crap, as long as you inject HCG every day. Both and women could do this diet. It was created by a guy dr simeons in the 50's and gained notoriety based on very little evidence a decade or so later. After trials during the 70's showing HCG performed no differently than a placebo for all of the claims it made, the FDA banned it being promoted for weight loss. Sadly, well known nard trudaeu brought it back to life in the last few years wrapped up in a conspiracy about how the government suppressed the research showing hcg is the weight loss panacea and now people are going wild for it. Something to note: the recommended food intake on this diet was developed before the 500-800 calorie liquid diet deaths in the 80s which lead to a much greater understanding of potassium and protein requirements needed in diets this restrictive to keep people alive. I've read the food menu people on the hcg diet are supposed to eat and found it to be pretty disturbing. You eat two 250 calorie meals that amount to something like 3 oz of meat, 3oz of vegetables, and an apple (rofl?). This is probably pretty dangerous. In comparison, 800 calorie a day liquid diet supplements (shakes, drinks) that _are_ formulated to keep people alive for extended periods with adequate nutrition while creating drastic weight loss are only available by prescription through a doctor and have fda approval. agoraphobe View Public Profile Send a private message to agoraphobe Find all posts by agoraphobe Add agoraphobe to Your Contacts #7 4 Weeks Ago canthavetoomanytoys Contributor Join Date: Jul 12, 2009 Location: Northwest New Jersey Posts: 316 Re: HCG for fat loss ads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It appears that the majority of HCG dieters are females. What is the physiological affect of female intake of HCG when they are not pregnant? canthavetoomanytoys View Public Profile Send a private message to canthavetoomanytoys Send email to canthavetoomanytoys Find all posts by canthavetoomanytoys Add canthavetoomanytoys to Your Contacts #8 4 Weeks Ago BigJimcalhoun Contributor Join Date: Dec 08, 2007 Location: Castle Rock, Colorado Posts: 478 Re: HCG for fat loss ads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hear those ads on the radio here in Denver. Lose 30 lb in 30 days with the HCG diet. meanwhile, Walgreens is out of HCG with no idea when they are going to get it back. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mbmom123 <dbkczar@...> > Subject: HCG for dieting??? > > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:22 AM > Can someone shed some light on this > subject, it makes no sense to me, yet I see doctors in my > area who are touting this as a weight loss drug...thanks, > El > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Thanks Phil! El > > El this was posted about this at Dr. 's a cut and paste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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