Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

[Guest guest]

:

I'm missing something here. Why would it be " wiser " to take a herbal remedy

rather than Arimidex?

Randy Hoops

Springfield, MO

> It would also be much wiser to take red clover and chinese peas rather than

arimidex for either types of cancer, albeit, we would no know the dosage.

> stay well, david a

>

[Guest guest]

I started out with herbal remedies, but they didnt seem too affective. I use

Novadex XT one pill a day which makes me feel better.

>

> > It would also be much wiser to take red clover and chinese peas rather than

arimidex for either types of cancer, albeit, we would no know the dosage.

>

> > stay well, david a

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Randy, I am not certain you are missing anything, the missing is here, I

was over elated to find some evidence that estrogen is the culprit in

prostrate cancer and not testosterone. I feel better with you pointing out

the obvious.

Now that you mention it, it would be far better to take a known dosage, psa

and tests would be more benficial.

I have to pass a psa test in the normal range, else my MD is going to shut

off my supply of testosterone cypronate.

I am taking a lot of D3 and hops, now I shall step up my arimidex. That

should do it.

stay well, david

stay well, david a

Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

> :

>

> I'm missing something here. Why would it be " wiser " to take a herbal

> remedy rather than Arimidex?

>

> Randy Hoops

> Springfield, MO

>

>

>

>> It would also be much wiser to take red clover and chinese peas rather

>> than arimidex for either types of cancer, albeit, we would no know the

>> dosage.

>

>> stay well, david a

>>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Dave and Randy, I think you two need to look into testosterone undeconante

unless you are using the cypronate for body building. But your doctor wont be

able to prescribe it until the FDA approves. But if you are using cypronate for

hypogonadims then go with undeconate injection. They are 200 to 350 a peice but

only need 5 injections a year. And with much fewer side affects.

> >

> >> It would also be much wiser to take red clover and chinese peas rather

> >> than arimidex for either types of cancer, albeit, we would no know the

> >> dosage.

> >

> >> stay well, david a

> >>

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Whow, the oral RU flopped, but the injectable shows promise. Five

injections a year, sounds interesting.

Plz advise when it becomes available. thanks in advance

stay well, david a

Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

> Dave and Randy, I think you two need to look into testosterone undeconante

> unless you are using the cypronate for body building. But your doctor

> wont be able to prescribe it until the FDA approves. But if you are using

> cypronate for hypogonadims then go with undeconate injection. They are

> 200 to 350 a peice but only need 5 injections a year. And with much fewer

> side affects.

>

>

>> >

>> >> It would also be much wiser to take red clover and chinese peas rather

>> >> than arimidex for either types of cancer, albeit, we would no know the

>> >> dosage.

>> >

>> >> stay well, david a

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> >

[Guest guest]

Let me jump in here if your on TRT you should not take novadex or Clomid to

control E2 levels take DIM or Arimidex that other natural aromatase inhibitors

work good if you can find a good product out there there is a lot of junk for

sale with trace amounts of what they claim they are selling.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: vadielunn <trance325@...>

> Subject: Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

>

> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:20 AM

> I started out with herbal remedies,

> but they didnt seem too affective.  I use Novadex XT

> one pill a day which makes me feel better.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > It would also be much wiser to take red clover

> and chinese peas rather than arimidex for either types of

> cancer, albeit, we would no know the dosage.

> >

> > > stay well, david a   

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

if your Dr. stops your TRT due to a higher PSA level with out knowing if

you have cancer this to me is criminal. I can't find the links but I have read

that higher levels of Testosterone keep you from getting prostate Cancer.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Ag\

ing-Male_01.htm

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: dAVId <dhallgar@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

>

> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:38 AM

> Randy, I am not certain you are

> missing anything,  the missing is here, I

> was over elated to find some evidence that estrogen is the

> culprit in

> prostrate cancer and not testosterone.  I feel better

> with you pointing out

> the obvious.

> Now that you mention it, it would be far better to take a

> known dosage, psa

> and tests would be more benficial.

>

> I have to pass a psa test in the normal range, else my MD

> is going to shut

> off my supply of testosterone cypronate.

> I am taking a lot of D3 and hops, now I shall step up my

> arimidex.  That

> should do it.

> stay well, david

> stay well, david a

>

> Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

>

>

> > :

> >

> > I'm missing something here.  Why would it be

> " wiser " to take a herbal

> > remedy rather than Arimidex?

> >

> > Randy Hoops

> > Springfield, MO

> >

> >

> >

> >> It would also be much wiser to take red clover and

> chinese peas rather

> >> than arimidex for either types of cancer, albeit,

> we would no know the

> >> dosage.

> >

> >> stay well, david a

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I can not agrue with Phil. But Why i said use novadex is bc i have personal

experience with it - only because I have had idiot doctors in the past and they

gave me the run arounds about my low T. And Novadex was the only thing I thought

as safe and natural.

Now, this Arimidex or DIM is something I am willing to try. But here is my

question. Will it kill my libido or will it just control the conversion of

testosterone to estrogen? I dont want to kill my libido but i want my estrogen

levels low enough to where I can still have a libido but still a good amount of

test.

And another question.... Is there a product out there that makes testosterone

bio availability high instead of it binding to the SHBG? That is another thing

I been looking for out there but not much luck.

> > >

> > > > It would also be much wiser to take red clover

> > and chinese peas rather than arimidex for either types of

> > cancer, albeit, we would no know the dosage.

> > >

> > > > stay well, david a   

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It's called Nibido in the UK and will not get approved here.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: dAVId <dhallgar@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

>

> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 10:36 AM

> Whow, the oral RU flopped, but the

> injectable shows promise.  Five

> injections a year,  sounds interesting.

> Plz advise when it becomes available. thanks in advance

> stay well, david a

> Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

>

>

> > Dave and Randy, I think you two need to look into

> testosterone undeconante

> > unless you are using the cypronate for body

> building.  But your doctor

> > wont be able to prescribe it until the FDA

> approves.  But if you are using

> > cypronate for hypogonadims then go with undeconate

> injection.  They are

> > 200 to 350 a peice but only need 5 injections a year.

> And with much fewer

> > side affects.

> >

> >

> >> >

> >> >> It would also be much wiser to take red

> clover and chinese peas rather

> >> >> than arimidex for either types of cancer,

> albeit, we would no know the

> >> >> dosage.

> >> >

> >> >> stay well, david a

> >> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > ------------------------------------

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

> Now, this Arimidex or DIM is something I am willing to try. But

> here is my question. Will it kill my libido or will it just

> control the conversion of testosterone to estrogen?

Hi,

Arimidex (unlike novaldex) actually does limit the conversion of test to

estrogen.

typical dosages are 1/4mg (1/4 tab) every other day to every 3rd day.

> I dont want to kill my libido but i want my estrogen levels low

> enough to where I can still have a libido but still a good amount

> of test.

if you don't drive your estrogen levels to LOW it won't kill your libido... I do

my shot on wednesday night (actually thursday morning) after midnight... by

Friday I'm " normal " ... and saturday/sunday my libido is STRONG :-} REAL STRONG.

> And another question.... Is there a product out there that makes

> testosterone bio availability high instead of it binding to the

> SHBG?

10-15mg of winstrol a day in divided doses frees up LOTS of test that way... and

I just got blood tests and at that low a dose (BB types do 70mg+ a day) the doc

says my liver values are fine... one could probably get good results with 6mg a

day (3 of the 2mg tabs).

Proviron does it too but isn't on the US market... and is easier on the liver

than winstrol.

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I was taking 25mg of DHEA for past year but quit it two months ago becauise of

PSA of 4.0 and Estradiol of 58.

I would like to go back to DHEA but am concerned.

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Re: Natural aromatase inhibitors

>

> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 AM

> I can not agrue with Phil. But Why i

> said use novadex is bc i have personal experience with it -

> only because I have had idiot doctors in the past and they

> gave me the run arounds about my low T. And Novadex was the

> only thing I thought as safe and natural.

>

> Now, this Arimidex or DIM is something I am willing to

> try.  But here is my question.  Will it kill my

> libido or will it just control the conversion of

> testosterone to estrogen?  I dont want to kill my

> libido but i want my estrogen levels low enough to where I

> can still have a libido but still a good amount of

> test. 

>

> And another question....   Is there a

> product out there that makes testosterone bio availability

> high instead of it binding to the SHBG?  That is

> another thing I been looking for out there but not much

> luck.   

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > It would also be much wiser to take red

> clover

> > > and chinese peas rather than arimidex for either

> types of

> > > cancer, albeit, we would no know the dosage.

> > > >

> > > > > stay well, david a   

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well Hardasnails and myself feel if your Cortisol levels and Thyroid are low

your DHEA will be low your body takes from DHEA to fix the other low hormones.

Both Hard and my self are on Cortef and Thyroid and I had normal high levels of

DHEA still Dr.'s feel we can't get enough not so in my case or Hard's we both

found it made our DHT and E2 go way up. I ended up needing to take .5 mgs of

Arimidex everyday to keep my E2 levels down when I seen my labs my DHEA-S was

3x's over the top of the range and my DHT was 2x's over the top this is when I

figured out it was my adding DHEA.

I stopped 2 weeks ago and now I am just started to go back to normal with my E2

levels. I feel if your labs are good for Cortisol and Thyroid and your DHEA

levels are in range don't take it in men it converts into E2.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: vadielunn <trance325@...>

> > Subject: Re: Natural aromatase

> inhibitors

> >

> > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 AM

> > I can not agrue with Phil. But Why i

> > said use novadex is bc i have personal experience with

> it -

> > only because I have had idiot doctors in the past and

> they

> > gave me the run arounds about my low T. And Novadex

> was the

> > only thing I thought as safe and natural.

> >

> > Now, this Arimidex or DIM is something I am willing

> to

> > try.  But here is my question.  Will it kill my

> > libido or will it just control the conversion of

> > testosterone to estrogen?  I dont want to kill my

> > libido but i want my estrogen levels low enough to

> where I

> > can still have a libido but still a good amount of

> > test. 

> >

> > And another question....   Is there a

> > product out there that makes testosterone bio

> availability

> > high instead of it binding to the SHBG?  That is

> > another thing I been looking for out there but not

> much

> > luck.   

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > > It would also be much wiser to

> take red

> > clover

> > > > and chinese peas rather than arimidex for

> either

> > types of

> > > > cancer, albeit, we would no know the

> dosage.

> > > > >

> > > > > > stay well, david a   

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil, how much DHEA were you and Hard taking. I just picked some DHEA up

yesterday, think it is fifty mg's.

Now you have me concerned about taking it.

I take half a pill of arimidex every other day seems to balance things out.

stay well, david a

Re: Natural aromatase

> inhibitors

> >

> > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 AM

> > I can not agrue with Phil. But Why i

> > said use novadex is bc i have personal experience with

> it -

> > only because I have had idiot doctors in the past and

> they

> > gave me the run arounds about my low T. And Novadex

> was the

> > only thing I thought as safe and natural.

> >

> > Now, this Arimidex or DIM is something I am willing

> to

> > try. But here is my question. Will it kill my

> > libido or will it just control the conversion of

> > testosterone to estrogen? I dont want to kill my

> > libido but i want my estrogen levels low enough to

> where I

> > can still have a libido but still a good amount of

> > test.

> >

> > And another question.... Is there a

> > product out there that makes testosterone bio

> availability

> > high instead of it binding to the SHBG? That is

> > another thing I been looking for out there but not

> much

> > luck.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > > It would also be much wiser to

> take red

> > clover

> > > > and chinese peas rather than arimidex for

> either

> > types of

> > > > cancer, albeit, we would no know the

> dosage.

> > > > >

> > > > > > stay well, david a

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Only 25 mgs if you have not tested DHEA-S don't take it if your not low it will

bump up your Estradiol levels. Hard and myself were holding water big time I

lost 8 lbs of water when I stopped the DHEA as my E2 levels came down I dumped

the water I was holding. And my workout at the gym was much better I did not

feel flat.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: vadielunn <trance325@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Natural aromatase

> > inhibitors

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 11:33 AM

> > > I can not agrue with Phil. But Why i

> > > said use novadex is bc i have personal experience

> with

> > it -

> > > only because I have had idiot doctors in the past

> and

> > they

> > > gave me the run arounds about my low T. And

> Novadex

> > was the

> > > only thing I thought as safe and natural.

> > >

> > > Now, this Arimidex or DIM is something I am

> willing

> > to

> > > try. But here is my question. Will it kill my

> > > libido or will it just control the conversion of

> > > testosterone to estrogen? I dont want to kill my

> > > libido but i want my estrogen levels low enough

> to

> > where I

> > > can still have a libido but still a good amount

> of

> > > test.

> > >

> > > And another question.... Is there a

> > > product out there that makes testosterone bio

> > availability

> > > high instead of it binding to the SHBG? That is

> > > another thing I been looking for out there but

> not

> > much

> > > luck.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > It would also be much wiser

> to

> > take red

> > > clover

> > > > > and chinese peas rather than arimidex

> for

> > either

> > > types of

> > > > > cancer, albeit, we would no know the

> > dosage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > stay well, david a

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

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