Re: High Red Blood Count, High estradiol, low Vitamin D,...What now?

[Guest guest]

Your doctor was right to be alarmed about youor hematocrit.  As hematocrit

increases beyond the normal range, the tendency of red blood cells to form clots

does increase.  I've been on TRT for five years now and I donate blood three to

four times a year to keep my hematocrit under 50.

________________________________

From: robert_vetcher <robert_vetcher@...>

Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 10:31:06 PM

Subject: High Red Blood Count, High estradiol, low Vitamin

D,...What now?

 

Well, I finally ditched my last Doctor because he refused to work with me and do

some of the blood tests suggested by Phil and others on this website. He did do

an Estrogen test although I requested an Estradiol test and I came out double

the norm. He told me it was nothing to worry about. Right!

I changed Doctor's and went to a Doctor, recommended by a friend, who treats

bodybuilders and other people with this condition. He did the tests I requested

and some of his own. (I have been having night sweats for a year now). I am

worried with the results.

My RBC, Hemoglobin, and Hemotocrit are above the reference intervals. My

hematocrit was 60g/dl, as compared to a reference interval of 36-50. My Doctor

sent me to Blood Bank to have blood drawn to try and reduce my Red Blood Count.

He said I could have a stroke at those levels as my blood could potentially

produce clots. Was this high drama? It scared the hell out of me.

I also had an Estradiol level of 85.9 pg/ml, which is far above the range of 7.6

to 42.6, and serum testosterone of 950, dihydrotestosterone of 156 ng/dl

(reference of 30-85), and testosterone F+W Bound of 314 ng dl (range 40 to 250).

My Doctor checked me also for Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy and my level was 10.1 ng/ml

compared to an interval range of 32 to 100.00.

What surprised my new Doctor is that I am taking only 4 squirts of Androgel

which is a low dose. My glucose was also above the norm, but not too much. A

year and a half earlier, my levels were normal, except I had low Testosterone.

My new Doctor told me to stop the Androgel to see if my other readings normalize

and gave me a prescription for a high dose of Vitamin D.

Has anyone out there had a similar experience? I hate to think what may have

happened if I continued to go to my previous Doctor.

I don't feel particularly bad except that I fell a little short of breath. This

has been my third day without the Androgel.

[Guest guest]

OK first let me say if you were dehydrated before doing your labs your blood

will look thinker. My Dr. tells me to make sure I drink a good 8 glass's of

water a day and to down 3 glass's before doing labs.

I did not drink my water on my last test and my Hemoglobin come back at 51 my

Dr. asked if I drank some water before doing the labs I told him I forgot. He

said then it's not a problem.

So if you feel you did not have enough water call your Dr. tell him and get on

some shots.

Stopping your Androgel is going to make you feel bad but your Dr. is doing the

right thing here is you switch to shots and do them every 3 days this lower dose

will keep your blood and Estradiol levels down. It's the big dose all at once I

find that dose this to me. And giving blood and taking a baby aspirin 2x's a

day helps keep your blood thinner.

As for your Estradiol you need to get on some Arimidex .5 mgs or one half a one

mg. pill to get this down it might me why your Testosterone levels are low in

the first place. Read this link.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

Getting your Estradiol E2 levels down it can bring up your TT some 200 to 300

Points.

If you go on Arimidex here is what I tell men so they don't go to low.

==================================================

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: robert_vetcher <robert_vetcher@...>

> Subject: High Red Blood Count, High estradiol, low Vitamin

D,...What now?

>

> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:31 PM

> Well, I finally ditched my last

> Doctor because he refused to work with me and do some of the

> blood tests suggested by Phil and others on this

> website.  He did do an Estrogen test although I

> requested an Estradiol test and I came out double the

> norm.  He told me it was nothing to worry about.

> Right!

>

> I changed Doctor's and went to a  Doctor, recommended

> by a friend, who treats bodybuilders and other people with

> this condition.  He did the tests I requested and some

> of his own. (I have been having night sweats for a year

> now). I am worried with the results. 

>

> My RBC, Hemoglobin, and Hemotocrit are above the reference

> intervals. My hematocrit was 60g/dl, as compared to a

> reference interval of 36-50.  My Doctor sent me to

> Blood Bank to have blood drawn to try and reduce my Red

> Blood Count.  He said I could have a stroke at those

> levels as my blood could potentially produce clots. 

> Was this high drama? It scared the hell out of me.

>

> I also had an Estradiol level of 85.9 pg/ml, which is far

> above the range of 7.6 to 42.6, and serum testosterone of

> 950, dihydrotestosterone of 156 ng/dl (reference of 30-85),

> and testosterone F+W Bound of 314 ng dl (range 40 to

> 250).  My Doctor checked me also for Vitamin D,

> 25-Hydroxy and my level was 10.1 ng/ml compared to an

> interval range of 32 to 100.00. 

>

> What surprised my new Doctor is that I am taking only 4

> squirts of Androgel which is a low dose.  My glucose

> was also above the norm, but not too much. A year and a half

> earlier, my levels were normal, except I had low

> Testosterone. My new Doctor told me to stop the Androgel to

> see if my other readings normalize and gave me a

> prescription for a high dose of Vitamin D. 

>

> Has anyone out there had a similar experience?  I hate

> to think what may have happened if I continued to go to my

> previous Doctor.

>

> I don't feel particularly bad except that I fell a little

> short of breath. This has been my third day without the

> Androgel.   

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

     Thank you for your advise.  I was thinking the diuretic prescribed for

my blood pressure may have at least been at least partially responsible.    I

mentioned that to my new Doctor last week, but he didn't comment that it might

be the culprit.  Maybe I'll just decrease the dose and see what happens. This

is day 4 without Androgel and I still do not feel too bad, just a little

tired.  At least I have a Doctor now that seems be knowledgeable, is

open-minded and willing to talk with me,  and  to look for solutions. 

      (You don't need to write back to me, I know you spend a lot of time

on this site with everyone), but I  do want to tell you I think your doing a

great service for all of us and I have already passed on some of the information

that I picked up here to others.  I can see that there are many other grateful

people here as well.

                                        \

          Thank you,  Bob V. 

 

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, 2 March, 2010 11:19:44

Subject: Re: High Red Blood Count, High estradiol, low Vitamin

D,...What now?

 

OK first let me say if you were dehydrated before doing your labs your blood

will look thinker. My Dr. tells me to make sure I drink a good 8 glass's of

water a day and to down 3 glass's before doing labs.

I did not drink my water on my last test and my Hemoglobin come back at 51 my

Dr. asked if I drank some water before doing the labs I told him I forgot. He

said then it's not a problem.

So if you feel you did not have enough water call your Dr. tell him and get on

some shots.

Stopping your Androgel is going to make you feel bad but your Dr. is doing the

right thing here is you switch to shots and do them every 3 days this lower dose

will keep your blood and Estradiol levels down. It's the big dose all at once I

find that dose this to me. And giving blood and taking a baby aspirin 2x's a day

helps keep your blood thinner.

As for your Estradiol you need to get on some Arimidex .5 mgs or one half a one

mg. pill to get this down it might me why your Testosterone levels are low in

the first place. Read this link.

http://jcem. endojournals. org/cgi/content/ full/89/3/ 1174

Getting your Estradiol E2 levels down it can bring up your TT some 200 to 300

Points.

If you go on Arimidex here is what I tell men so they don't go to low.

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ==

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: robert_vetcher <robert_vetcher@ .co. uk>

> Subject: High Red Blood Count, High estradiol, low Vitamin

D,...What now?

>

> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:31 PM

> Well, I finally ditched my last

> Doctor because he refused to work with me and do some of the

> blood tests suggested by Phil and others on this

> website.  He did do an Estrogen test although I

> requested an Estradiol test and I came out double the

> norm.  He told me it was nothing to worry about.

> Right!

>

> I changed Doctor's and went to a  Doctor, recommended

> by a friend, who treats bodybuilders and other people with

> this condition.  He did the tests I requested and some

> of his own. (I have been having night sweats for a year

> now). I am worried with the results. 

>

> My RBC, Hemoglobin, and Hemotocrit are above the reference

> intervals. My hematocrit was 60g/dl, as compared to a

> reference interval of 36-50.  My Doctor sent me to

> Blood Bank to have blood drawn to try and reduce my Red

> Blood Count.  He said I could have a stroke at those

> levels as my blood could potentially produce clots. 

> Was this high drama? It scared the hell out of me.

>

> I also had an Estradiol level of 85.9 pg/ml, which is far

> above the range of 7.6 to 42.6, and serum testosterone of

> 950, dihydrotestosterone of 156 ng/dl (reference of 30-85),

> and testosterone F+W Bound of 314 ng dl (range 40 to

> 250).  My Doctor checked me also for Vitamin D,

> 25-Hydroxy and my level was 10.1 ng/ml compared to an

> interval range of 32 to 100.00. 

>

> What surprised my new Doctor is that I am taking only 4

> squirts of Androgel which is a low dose.  My glucose

> was also above the norm, but not too much. A year and a half

> earlier, my levels were normal, except I had low

> Testosterone. My new Doctor told me to stop the Androgel to

> see if my other readings normalize and gave me a

> prescription for a high dose of Vitamin D. 

>

> Has anyone out there had a similar experience?  I hate

> to think what may have happened if I continued to go to my

> previous Doctor.

>

> I don't feel particularly bad except that I fell a little

> short of breath. This has been my third day without the

> Androgel.   

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob it's not a problem replying and I don't feel your going to feel real bad

being of the gel your levels never got up very high. I am on a water pill been

on it from day one after starting on TRT the adding Testosterone makes me hold

water. So I take this every 3 days to keep my hands and feet from swelling.

Still you can go back on TRT just give blood but if you do do shots a lower dose

2x's a week or a shot every 3 days this helps keep your blood thinner. If you

do them your self with a small 27g 1ml.x 1/2 " lg needle there is not pain

shooting into your thigh. Start with 50 mgs of Test C 200mgs/ml and do a .25ml

or cc shot 2x's a week or do 40mgs .2 mls or cc every 3 days.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: robert_vetcher <robert_vetcher@ .co.

> uk>

> > Subject: High Red Blood Count, High

> estradiol, low Vitamin D,...What now?

> >

> > Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 10:31 PM

> > Well, I finally ditched my last

> > Doctor because he refused to work with me and do some

> of the

> > blood tests suggested by Phil and others on this

> > website.  He did do an Estrogen test although I

> > requested an Estradiol test and I came out double the

> > norm.  He told me it was nothing to worry about.

> > Right!

> >

> > I changed Doctor's and went to a  Doctor,

> recommended

> > by a friend, who treats bodybuilders and other people

> with

> > this condition.  He did the tests I requested and

> some

> > of his own. (I have been having night sweats for a

> year

> > now). I am worried with the results. 

> >

> > My RBC, Hemoglobin, and Hemotocrit are above the

> reference

> > intervals. My hematocrit was 60g/dl, as compared to a

> > reference interval of 36-50.  My Doctor sent me to

> > Blood Bank to have blood drawn to try and reduce my

> Red

> > Blood Count.  He said I could have a stroke at those

> > levels as my blood could potentially produce clots. 

> > Was this high drama? It scared the hell out of me.

> >

> > I also had an Estradiol level of 85.9 pg/ml, which is

> far

> > above the range of 7.6 to 42.6, and serum testosterone

> of

> > 950, dihydrotestosterone of 156 ng/dl (reference of

> 30-85),

> > and testosterone F+W Bound of 314 ng dl (range 40 to

> > 250).  My Doctor checked me also for Vitamin D,

> > 25-Hydroxy and my level was 10.1 ng/ml compared to an

> > interval range of 32 to 100.00. 

> >

> > What surprised my new Doctor is that I am taking only

> 4

> > squirts of Androgel which is a low dose.  My glucose

> > was also above the norm, but not too much. A year and

> a half

> > earlier, my levels were normal, except I had low

> > Testosterone. My new Doctor told me to stop the

> Androgel to

> > see if my other readings normalize and gave me a

> > prescription for a high dose of Vitamin D. 

> >

> > Has anyone out there had a similar experience?  I

> hate

> > to think what may have happened if I continued to go

> to my

> > previous Doctor.

> >

> > I don't feel particularly bad except that I fell a

> little

> > short of breath. This has been my third day without

> the

> > Androgel.   

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >