Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

February 11, 2010

It was recommended to me that I discard my mixed hcg every 2 weeks so I know

that i have fresh. I got a real bad problem with chronic low E2. I only mix

2000iu's. It's a real waste of money. I don't really see any improvement in my

symptoms even doing my hcg this way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > order this

> > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > water for

> > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > little

> > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

Jim. Give at least 45 days. HCG has made a tremdous difference. I needed

4000iu a week for the first month and now do 2500 along with my T. Our bodies

are all different but blood circulation, atrophy and overall function is night

and day better.

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Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

It was recommended to me that I discard my mixed hcg every 2 weeks so I know

that i have fresh. I got a real bad problem with chronic low E2. I only mix

2000iu's. It's a real waste of money. I don't really see any improvement in my

symptoms even doing my hcg this way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > order this

> > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > water for

> > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > little

> > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

Well, thanks... but I know what bacwater is... I am just trying to

understand why some people have said that the bacwater at ADC might NOT

be bacwater. It IS listed as bacwater.

I assume that the sentiment got started somewhere, I was just hoping I

could find out why... because quite honestly, if I can't trust their

bacwater, why should I trust their HCG or any other drug they sell?

On 2/11/2010 2:11 PM, alexanderjones49@... wrote:

>

> Hey. Maybe I can shed a little light. Bacteriostatic water like sodium

> chloride IP has some alcohol and ingrients which work as a solvent and

> short term preservative for powders used for Intermuscular injections

> in it.

> Sterile water is bacteria free but does not maintain shelf life for

> mixed products. Those of us who need to mix and refrigerate the

> product for 30 days or more need that preservative so our 2,5, or

> 10000iu vile will last and be effective.

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Re: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> So even though there's no evidence of a problem with ADC's bacwater...

> at least none that anyone has posted yet... you're willing to trust some

> unknown person on ebay?

>

> OK, I'm not sure of the logic there, but I guess to each their own.

> Unless someone can give me even a rudimentary reason why I should

> suspect ADC's bacwater, then I'm going to use it.

>

> On 2/11/2010 1:32 PM, jim wrote:

> >

> > Im my opinion, for my peace of mind, since their is some doubt as to

> > the effectiveness of this water, I will not use it. I did mix 1 vial

> > since I had ordered some " american pharm. " BAC water but it had not

> > arrived at that time. Now the doubt has been removed from my mind. BAC

> > water is available in many places. I got mine on ebay! It's got an exp

> > date of 4/11. It will be good after that.

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > order this

> > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > water for

> > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > little

> > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

I emailed them and asked if it had 0.9% BA in it. They said I was probably

talking about sodium chloride. I replied back that no that would be sterile

saline water not Bac water. They said they would send a free sample in my next

order.

I have a feeling it is just saline.

________________________________

From: LostOne0069 <lostone0069@...>

Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 1:50:32 PM

Subject: Re: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

Well, thanks... but I know what bacwater is... I am just trying to

understand why some people have said that the bacwater at ADC might NOT

be bacwater. It IS listed as bacwater.

I assume that the sentiment got started somewhere, I was just hoping I

could find out why... because quite honestly, if I can't trust their

bacwater, why should I trust their HCG or any other drug they sell?

On 2/11/2010 2:11 PM, alexanderjones49@... wrote:

>

> Hey. Maybe I can shed a little light. Bacteriostatic water like sodium

> chloride IP has some alcohol and ingrients which work as a solvent and

> short term preservative for powders used for Intermuscular injections

> in it.

> Sterile water is bacteria free but does not maintain shelf life for

> mixed products. Those of us who need to mix and refrigerate the

> product for 30 days or more need that preservative so our 2,5, or

> 10000iu vile will last and be effective.

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

> Re: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> So even though there's no evidence of a problem with ADC's bacwater...

> at least none that anyone has posted yet... you're willing to trust some

> unknown person on ebay?

>

> OK, I'm not sure of the logic there, but I guess to each their own.

> Unless someone can give me even a rudimentary reason why I should

> suspect ADC's bacwater, then I'm going to use it.

>

> On 2/11/2010 1:32 PM, jim wrote:

> >

> > Im my opinion, for my peace of mind, since their is some doubt as to

> > the effectiveness of this water, I will not use it. I did mix 1 vial

> > since I had ordered some " american pharm. " BAC water but it had not

> > arrived at that time. Now the doubt has been removed from my mind. BAC

> > water is available in many places. I got mine on ebay! It's got an exp

> > date of 4/11. It will be good after that.

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > order this

> > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > water for

> > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > little

> > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

i am doing 300 iu everyother day. it's the god damn compounded T i'm on. It

isn't worth shit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

Ask Phil. Perhaps revert to non compounded T

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Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

i am doing 300 iu everyother day. it's the god damn compounded T i'm on. It

isn't worth shit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

Sounds right

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> So even though there's no evidence of a problem with ADC's bacwater...

> at least none that anyone has posted yet... you're willing to trust some

> unknown person on ebay?

>

> OK, I'm not sure of the logic there, but I guess to each their own.

> Unless someone can give me even a rudimentary reason why I should

> suspect ADC's bacwater, then I'm going to use it.

>

> On 2/11/2010 1:32 PM, jim wrote:

> >

> > Im my opinion, for my peace of mind, since their is some doubt as to

> > the effectiveness of this water, I will not use it. I did mix 1 vial

> > since I had ordered some " american pharm. " BAC water but it had not

> > arrived at that time. Now the doubt has been removed from my mind. BAC

> > water is available in many places. I got mine on ebay! It's got an exp

> > date of 4/11. It will be good after that.

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > order this

> > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > water for

> > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > little

> > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

>

> I still haven't heard any reason WHY you recommend using different bac

> water than the ADC stuff.

Hi,

I just don't like the container since it's a 1 time draw container and I only

use 1 ml.

if I was mixing say 10ml of stuff I'd go with it... but since I'd draw 1ml and

throw it away I go for stuff in multiuse vials.

now some here mix large volumes of water and do larger injections (same dose

just larger volume)... and it'd be GREAT for them.

heck I save the little saline ampules... don't know what I'll do with them but I

save them :-}

February 11, 2010

I don't understand this if you mixed it with Bac. water it's good in the fridge

for 30 days. Who told you to pitch it after 2 weeks and how much do you use in

shots and how often.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:24 PM

> It was recommended to me that I

> discard my mixed hcg every 2 weeks so I know that i have

> fresh. I got a real bad problem with chronic low E2. I only

> mix 2000iu's. It's a real waste of money. I don't really see

> any improvement in my symptoms even doing my hcg this way.

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So can

> one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > >

> prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > order the

> bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > water

> from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > no

> prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the ADC

> bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > a weird

> plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic

> water but just sterile

> > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know

> Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > How does

> one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water

> with the

> > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with a

> multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw

> up

> > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water

> and inject it into the

> > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > mark (they're

> 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > they're marked

> " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)...

> then do the math... for

> > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

If you have a thyroid problem the cream might not work can't get through the

skin we men with a thyroid problem have a thinker skin and gels and creams don't

work well. I don't remember what this thinker skin is called but Hard knows. I

would switch to shots of T.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:58 PM

> i am doing 300 iu everyother day.

> it's the god damn compounded T i'm on. It isn't worth shit.

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So

> can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > order the

> bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > as the day is long.

> :-}

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the ADC

> bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial

> but

> > > > > > > > > > > a weird

> plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > >

> bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > How

> does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic

> water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > with a

> multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just

> draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of

> water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > syringes have a

> .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > mark

> (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > reaction I get

> here

> > > > > > > > > > > they're

> marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > your syringes have

> a

> > > > > > > > > > > .05ml

> mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is

> 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured

>

> > > >

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > >

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

HAN told me this. 300iu every other day.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So can

> > one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > order the

> > bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > water

> > from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> > prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the ADC

> > bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > a weird

> > plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic

> > water but just sterile

> > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I know

> > Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > How does

> > one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water

> > with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > with a

> > multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw

> > up

> > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water

> > and inject it into the

> > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > mark (they're

> > 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > they're marked

> > " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)...

> > then do the math... for

> > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

Don't get me started on this topic. Ask HAN about this.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So

> > can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > order the

> > bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > as the day is long.

> > :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the ADC

> > bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial

> > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > a weird

> > plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How

> > does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic

> > water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > with a

> > multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just

> > draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of

> > water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > syringes have a

> > .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > mark

> > (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > reaction I get

> > here

> > > > > > > > > > > > they're

> > marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > your syringes have

> > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > .05ml

> > mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is

> > 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > Links

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured

> >

> > > > >

> > <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > >

> > <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

I just got off the phone with him but I don't talk about his people he sees your

in good hands and he kmows what going on.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 5:00 PM

> Don't get me started on this topic.

> Ask HAN about this.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > So

> > > can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > > stuff

> without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > > order

> the

> > > bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> no

> > > prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > > as the

> day is long.

> > > :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> the ADC

> > > bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > > NOT a

> multiuse vial

> > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> a weird

> > > plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > > that it's

> NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > >

> injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > I

> > > know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > How

> > > does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> bacteriostatic

> > > water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> with a

> > > multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > hucog

> vial I just

> > > draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> 1cc of

> > > water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > > syringes

> have a

> > > .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> mark

> > > (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > > reaction

> I get

> > > here

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> they're

> > > marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > > your

> syringes have

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> .05ml

> > > mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > > vials

> .05ml is

> > > 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > >

> Groups

> > > Links

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

February 11, 2010

I talked to Han on the phone today just about an hour ago and he said the Bac.

water from ADC is not any good will not keep the HCG in the fridge. He said buy

it off the web in the 30 ml. size.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:59 PM

> HAN told me this. 300iu every other

> day.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> So can

> > > one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > stuff without

> a

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > order the

> > > bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> water

> > > from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > as the day is

> long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> ADC

> > > bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse

> vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > a

> weird

> > > plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> bacteriostatic

> > > water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> I know

> > > Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> How does

> > > one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic

> water

> > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> a

> > > multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I

> just draw

> > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc

> of water

> > > and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > syringes have

> a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > mark

> (they're

> > > 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > reaction I get

> here

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> they're marked

> > > " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > your syringes

> have a

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> .05ml mark)...

> > > then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is

> 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > >

> > >

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

Did you happen to ask him why this is and how he knows this?

On 2/11/2010 6:32 PM, philip georgian wrote:

>

> I talked to Han on the phone today just about an hour ago and he said

> the Bac. water from ADC is not any good will not keep the HCG in the

> fridge. He said buy it off the web in the 30 ml. size.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> > From: jim <virtuosa150@... <mailto:virtuosa150%40>>

> > Subject: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

> >

> <mailto: %40>

> > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 4:59 PM

> > HAN told me this. 300iu every other

> > day.

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > So can

> > > > one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > > stuff without

> > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > > order the

> > > > bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > water

> > > > from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > > as the day is

> > long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > ADC

> > > > bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse

> > vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > weird

> > > > plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > bacteriostatic

> > > > water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > I know

> > > > Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > How does

> > > > one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic

> > water

> > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > a

> > > > multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I

> > just draw

> > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc

> > of water

> > > > and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > > syringes have

> > a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mark

> > (they're

> > > > 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > > reaction I get

> > here

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > they're marked

> > > > " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > > your syringes

> > have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > .05ml mark)...

> > > > then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is

> > 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > Links

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -fullfeatured

> <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> > <mailto: -fullfeatured%40>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

ADC also told me that their hCG products all came with Bac water. I don't

believe they are intentionally trying to mislead but they do seem to be

uninformed.

>

> I emailed them and asked if it had 0.9% BA in it. They said I was probably

talking about sodium chloride. I replied back that no that would be sterile

saline water not Bac water. They said they would send a free sample in my next

order.

>

> I have a feeling it is just saline.

>

February 11, 2010

There has been a certain level of trust regarding ADC's HCG products. On the

other hand, there have been some reports that some of the ED drugs are not

effective.

At least with the HCG vials, they are clearly marked and have some assurance

that some international pharmaceutical standard was met. In the case of the

unlabeled/unmarked " bac water " from ADC, there is nothing to give anyone

assurance of the intended content. Unless you have the means to assay the

content, you would not know it is NOT bac water until after you inject a

bacteria-laden HCG solution. I tried to determine if the reported manufacture

even makes bac water.... not able to confirm this either.

Obviously, you can't really tell if a properly labeled bac water bottle of US

known mfg, purchased from someone on the net is what it reports to be either.

Let the buyer beware in either case. I could be more worried but these things

happen even when buying from a pharmacy...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

Jim if you are using hcg with normal bacteriostatic water then you are fine but

if you are using the stuff from ALD then its garabage. I coming to think that

if he cranks hcg up higher enough that it may be all he needs and not the test

is the issue.

options

1. t and hcg shots

2. higher dosages of hcg only since his body is converting it at slower rate to

e2 - may be way to go since even though on testosterone he may not convert it

still. Hcg converts faster to e2 in testicles.

Might need 100 mgs of testosterone a week and 350-400 ius x2 of hcg a week to

push e2 up. once we hit about 700-800 T your body e2 may rise signicantly.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

my self after 2 weeks hcg does not work any more and his levels were dropping

around the 14-15th day when we got his lab done. To rule out this variable I

suggested he toss it after 2 weeks. That is why I suggest 2,000 of ADC since it

is more manageable. people with adrenal and hyroid issues tend to have issues of

destabilzaion for some reason.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So can

> > > one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > order the

> > > bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > water

> > > from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the ADC

> > > bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > a weird

> > > plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic

> > > water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know

> > > Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How does

> > > one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water

> > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > with a

> > > multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw

> > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water

> > > and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > mark (they're

> > > 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > > they're marked

> > > " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)...

> > > then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

February 11, 2010

use bacteriostatic water that comes with american HCG that will resolve this

issue..ruling out this variable.

> > >

> > > > So can one just " accidentally " order this stuff without a

> > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you accidently order the bacteriostatic

> > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75 per 10ml vial.

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > no prescription required and they seem as honest as the day is long. :-}

> > >

> > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird " vial " ... it's NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and rumor has it that it's NOT

> > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile water for injection.

> > >

> > > > I know Phil has posted before, but I can't find it.

> > > > How does one " accidentally " mix the bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > HCG?

> > >

> > > with a multiuse vial of water and the little hucog vial I just draw up

> > > 1cc of water and inject it into the hucog... my syringes have a .05ml

> > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes but from the reaction I get here

> > > they're marked " finer " than most... so make sure your syringes have a

> > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for the 5000iu vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > >

> >

>

February 11, 2010

after one day that vial is useless too if you are using the one they gave you

that it came with.

> > > > >

> > > > > > So can one just " accidentally " order this

> > > stuff without a

> > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you accidently

> > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75 per 10ml

> > > vial.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > no prescription required and they seem as honest

> > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > >

> > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird " vial " ... it's

> > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and rumor has it

> > > that it's NOT

> > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile water for

> > > injection.

> > > > >

> > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but I can't

> > > find it.

> > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix the

> > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > HCG?

> > > > >

> > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the little

> > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the hucog... my

> > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes but from the

> > > reaction I get here

> > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so make sure

> > > your syringes have a

> > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for the 5000iu

> > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

February 11, 2010

>

> I don't understand this if you mixed it with Bac. water it's good in the

fridge for 30 days. Who told you to pitch it after 2 weeks and how much do you

use in shots and how often.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

Hi,

I do 250iu... .05ml... twice a week.... the 1ml of hcg solution in the multi-use

vial I keep refrigerated

why do I throw the open container of water away?

because it's AN OPEN CONTAINER... the plastic top snaps off of the 10ml box...

it's NOT a multi-use vial... it's not a vial at all.

it's be like taking a 1ml test ampule, snapping off the top, drawing up 1/2ml

and putting the OPEN, UNSEALED, AMPULE onto the shelf to use the next week...

except it'd be worse... it'd be an open container sitting around for a MONTH.

in the old days when I got hcg in ampules I went thru the hassle of mixing it up

and immediately drawing ~19 (never could get that LAST bit out) doses into

syringes immediately and refrigerating the loaded syringes... that's why I like

the HUCOG in it's little multi-use vial.

I don't mix up a whole vial of hcg, draw 1 dose, and toss that... I toss the

open box of adc bac water because there's no real way to keep it sealed and

sterile for a month.

February 12, 2010

HCG doesn't " convert " to estrogen. It induces the testes to produce more

testosterone, which then converts to E. However, taking too much HCG (and

the threshold is variable, but generally anything over 500iu per shot) does

induce disproportionate E production over T, and progesterone as well. Two

feminizing hormones in adult males.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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The BAC water I am using is from a US manufacturer named Hospira. It is true BAC

water.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

February 12, 2010

HAN how much hcg must I do? I'm shooting 300iu every other day. Should I do 500?

Should I shoot it everyday? Please tell me.

By the way, I only got one testicle left and it probably doesn't work anymore.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > >

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