Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

February 12, 2010

Use the water that comes with american HCG or get it off lone. I haev use ADC

for years now issue, I just mix the water from american hcg.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally " order this

> > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you accidently

> > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75 per 10ml

> > > > vial.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > no prescription required and they seem as honest

> > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird " vial " ... it's

> > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and rumor has it

> > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile water for

> > > > injection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but I can't

> > > > find it.

> > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix the

> > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the little

> > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the hucog... my

> > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes but from the

> > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so make sure

> > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for the 5000iu

> > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

February 12, 2010

I have seen guys with one testicle kick out 1100 total T.

Damn why did not I think of this earlier. Since hcg stimimulate the cells

testicles to produce more aromatase since you only have one testicle you are not

getting the normnal response. So technically jim you have limited aromatase in

your testicles. Your optimal level we determined is around 850 with e2 of 22.

200 ius every day would be the safest way to go because you have to compensate

for lack of testicles. I knew you had T cancer, but thought they treated with

radiation. Jim increase to every day for a week 200 ius then if not clincal

improvement come in friday. We swtich you over to t and hcg. Does that sound

fair? i was wondering if that first intial hcg was just a tease then it shut

down again. Like a quick burst then got burned out. Body is very tricky

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > >

February 12, 2010

DR J I had high progesterone levels for long time, I stopped taking DHEA and

they returned to normal.

Dr J I know my self if I just take T i have no e2 issues as I had done this in

the past. When I add hcg to the mix my e2 goes hay wire. I have seen this is

alot of other people as well. Could this be explained by the process of

testicles response to the HCG to make testosteone that could be responsible and

not the direct increase of T from external source.

>

> HCG doesn't " convert " to estrogen. It induces the testes to produce more

> testosterone, which then converts to E. However, taking too much HCG (and

> the threshold is variable, but generally anything over 500iu per shot) does

> induce disproportionate E production over T, and progesterone as well. Two

> feminizing hormones in adult males.

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

> Crisler, DO

>

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February 12, 2010

HAN, with all due respect, I asked you specificly on 1/21 through email if I

should shoot 200iu everyday. I can let this go, and move on. No problem. As for

the T3 med. My blood pressure is very high as well as pulse. I can feel the

pulse through my head. Can I stop this med completely? I am not going to

continue on sea salt as well. Please advise. thanks very much.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > >

February 12, 2010

Jim, please correpsond through email

technically jim what should be done is that you get blood work every 2 weeks to

measure the changes just in T and e

Rt3 will probably come down over time, Also rt3 are most likely elevated due to

the trama you went through with your cancer and never reset themself. Scientific

fact that cancer and PTSD have higher rt3 even if there was minor surgery. by

reducing rt3 your body your thyroid causing you stimulation. main issue focus on

getting T levels to 800-900 where you felt good. once you get it over 800 your

e2 should raise in proportion to it .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

February 12, 2010

Sorry, HANS I guess I was getting confused. I meant the actual HCG powder vial.

Do you use it for mixing and just leave it in there?

________________________________

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 7:26:30 AM

Subject: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

Use the water that comes with american HCG or get it off lone. I haev use ADC

for years now issue, I just mix the water from american hcg.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > So can one just " accidentally " order this

> > > > stuff without a

> > > > > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you accidently

> > > > order the bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > water from ADC as well? It is $.75 per 10ml

> > > > vial.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > no prescription required and they seem as honest

> > > > as the day is long. :-}

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the ADC bac-water is in a weird " vial " ... it's

> > > > NOT a multiuse vial but

> > > > > > a weird plastic " box " thing.... and rumor has it

> > > > that it's NOT

> > > > > > bacteriostatic water but just sterile water for

> > > > injection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know Phil has posted before, but I can't

> > > > find it.

> > > > > > > How does one " accidentally " mix the

> > > > bacteriostatic water with the

> > > > > > > HCG?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with a multiuse vial of water and the little

> > > > hucog vial I just draw up

> > > > > > 1cc of water and inject it into the hucog... my

> > > > syringes have a .05ml

> > > > > > mark (they're 1/2cc insulin syringes but from the

> > > > reaction I get here

> > > > > > they're marked " finer " than most... so make sure

> > > > your syringes have a

> > > > > > .05ml mark)... then do the math... for the 5000iu

> > > > vials .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > >

February 12, 2010

OK I understand now but how much Bac. water do you mix into the 2000 IU vial of

HCG that you can do a .05 ml. shot and do 250 IU's. If you mix only one ml. of

water in the vial you would need .125 mls to do a 250 IU's shot. Don't get me

wrong I am just checking. 1ml of Bac. water into a 2000 IU vial will give you

2000 IU's / ml. so .125 mls would = 250 IU's. Or your .05 mls dose is a typo.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jbbooks1901 <jbbooks1901@...>

> Subject: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:22 AM

>

> >

> > I don't understand this if you mixed it with Bac.

> water it's good in the fridge for 30 days. Who told you to

> pitch it after 2 weeks and how much do you use in shots and

> how often.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Hi,

>

> I do 250iu... .05ml... twice a week.... the 1ml of hcg

> solution in the multi-use vial I keep refrigerated

>

> why do I throw the open container of water away?

>

> because it's AN OPEN CONTAINER... the plastic top snaps off

> of the 10ml box... it's NOT a multi-use vial... it's not a

> vial at all.

>

> it's be like taking a 1ml test ampule, snapping off the

> top, drawing up 1/2ml and putting the OPEN, UNSEALED, AMPULE

> onto the shelf to use the next week... except it'd be

> worse... it'd be an open container sitting around for a

> MONTH.

>

> in the old days when I got hcg in ampules I went thru the

> hassle of mixing it up and immediately drawing ~19 (never

> could get that LAST bit out) doses into syringes immediately

> and refrigerating the loaded syringes... that's why I like

> the HUCOG in it's little multi-use vial.

>

> I don't mix up a whole vial of hcg, draw 1 dose, and toss

> that... I toss the open box of adc bac water because there's

> no real way to keep it sealed and sterile for a month.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

February 12, 2010

I am now waiting 5 weeks for labs status post estrogen manipulation changes.

It takes that long for things to settle down again-especially SHBG.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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NOTHING is ever going to surprise me with this stuff. We see every possible

variation.

Be well!

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Yes I agree on this my Novarel says it's good for 30 days but by 20 days it get

weaker and I go higher on the dose to make up for this it's better to mix 2000

IU's this way before it gets older it's use up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: New here--and I've got some questions...

>

> Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:16 PM

> my self after 2 weeks hcg does not

> work any more and his levels were dropping around the

> 14-15th day when we got his lab done. To rule out this

> variable I suggested he toss it after 2 weeks. That is why I

> suggest 2,000 of ADC since it is more manageable. people

> with adrenal and hyroid issues tend to have issues of

> destabilzaion for some reason.

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > So can

> > > > one just " accidentally "

> > > > > > > > > order this

> > > > > > > > > > > stuff

> without a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > prescription? Why wouldn't you

> > > > > > > > > accidently

> > > > > > > > > > > order

> the

> > > > bacteriostatic

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > water

> > > > from ADC as well? It is $.75

> > > > > > > > > per 10ml

> > > > > > > > > > > vial.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Hi,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> no

> > > > prescription required and they seem

> > > > > > > > > as honest

> > > > > > > > > > > as the

> day is long. :-}

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> the ADC

> > > > bac-water is in a weird

> > > > > > > > > " vial " ... it's

> > > > > > > > > > > NOT a

> multiuse vial but

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> a weird

> > > > plastic " box " thing.... and

> > > > > > > > > rumor has it

> > > > > > > > > > > that it's

> NOT

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> bacteriostatic

> > > > water but just sterile

> > > > > > > > > water for

> > > > > > > > > > >

> injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > I know

> > > > Phil has posted before, but

> > > > > > > > > I can't

> > > > > > > > > > > find it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > How does

> > > > one " accidentally " mix

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > >

> bacteriostatic water

> > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > HCG?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> with a

> > > > multiuse vial of water and the

> > > > > > > > > little

> > > > > > > > > > > hucog

> vial I just draw

> > > > up

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> 1cc of water

> > > > and inject it into the

> > > > > > > > > hucog... my

> > > > > > > > > > > syringes

> have a .05ml

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> mark (they're

> > > > 1/2cc insulin syringes

> > > > > > > > > but from the

> > > > > > > > > > > reaction

> I get here

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> they're marked

> > > > " finer " than most... so

> > > > > > > > > make sure

> > > > > > > > > > > your

> syringes have a

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> .05ml mark)...

> > > > then do the math... for

> > > > > > > > > the 5000iu

> > > > > > > > > > > vials

> .05ml is 250iu.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

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Amen to that..Every ones body is different. Mine is paradoxical the more

cholestetol I eat lower it goes. I have just come to except it and learn from

it. I even have one woman give her insulin raises blood sugar..Human body is

NUTS !!!

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