Re: I could use some help/advice

[Guest guest]

Hi nwprtbud and Welcome,

Yes your in the right place and your Dr. is a numbers and range nut. Any good

Dr. would listen to you and how you feel. Then look at your labs your levels for

T are very low in range but normal for a man 100 yrs. old.

You need to find a better Dr. one that treats a lot of men for this problem the

biggest problem we men have with low T is Dr.'s that are not up on this.

Your libido is low because your Testosterone is low and your Estraidol might be

to high or even to low. High or low kills your sex life and Cialis will not fix

this.

I need to tell you need more labs to find out why your so low. If you go on TRT

it is for life and shuts down your brain from telling your testis to make

Testosterone.

Some men your age a little over weight end up with higher levels of Estradiol

then there wife's. And the brain in men can't tell the diff. between Estradiol

and Testosterone so when Estradiol is high the brain thinks it's Testosterone

and slows down sending the LH and FSH message from the Pituitary in the brain to

the Testis to make more Testosterone.

So for some men just testing this and if it's to high above 30 pg/ml best at 20

getting this down your Testosterone levels will come back up some 200 to 300

points.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

In this link you will learn all about this problem.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

For labs you need go to Dr. 's site he is the best male hormone Dr. there

is.

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this is what he dose

to test and treat this problem and he puts this out there free for you and your

Dr..

When I tested my Estradiol I had bad ED and could not reach an orgasm getting it

down first thing to come back was night time and morning wood after now having

them for over 30 yrs.

To tell about your thyroid you need the following labs and the Estradiol and

Testosterone labs are in this.

===================================================

Here is what I am have done at Quest Labs

Estradiol sensitive Code #4021

Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable & Total LC/MS/MS Code # 14966X.

Homocysteine (Caridioviasular) Code #31789X.

Vit.D, 25-Hydroxy LC/MS/MS Code #17306X.

TSH

Free T4

Free T3

Total T3

Total T4

RT3

Total Iron

Iron Binding Capacity

Iron % Saturation

Ferritin

B-12

A quick home test is to do the following in the morning before getting out of

bed.

http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: nwprtbud <bhorn2@...>

> Subject: I could use some help/advice

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:08 PM

> Hello there! I found this group by

> accident while I was researching what my Testosterone and

> Thyroid blood test results meant.  I am a 46 year old

> male, don't drink or smoke and am a little overweight. 

> I noticed that my sex drive has plummeted and my libido is

> gone.  I don't get morning erections anymore and I am

> freaking worn out all the time!  I talked to my doctor

> about my libido and he did a testosterone and Thyroid

> Stimulating hormone blood tests which (according to the

> doctor) were normal.

>

> Testosterone results: 372 (range is 241-827 ng/DL)

> Thyroid Stimulating Hormone results: 1.936 (range is

> 0.358-3.800 mcIU/mL)

>

> I know the results show me " mid-level " in those ranges but

> how can that be normal? What is " Normal " for a man my age?

>

> With these results my doctor will no longer discuss therapy

> and gave me Cialis!  What should I do now??

>

> Any help would be great!

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information Phil!

I will hit those websites when I get home tonight as they are blocked here at

work. After reading most of the posts on this site I have come to realize that

A LOT of doctors don't listen to their patients when it comes to the issue of

low testosterone! I mean my doctor basically dismissed me by writing " normal no

follow up appointment necessary " on my lab work results and mailed it to me! No

phone call - nothing!

I guess my next question is - How do I get these lab tests done without my

doctor approving them? Doesn't he have to write some sort of authorization?

Bob

>

> > From: nwprtbud <bhorn2@...>

> > Subject: I could use some help/advice

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:08 PM

> > Hello there! I found this group by

> > accident while I was researching what my Testosterone and

> > Thyroid blood test results meant.  I am a 46 year old

> > male, don't drink or smoke and am a little overweight. 

> > I noticed that my sex drive has plummeted and my libido is

> > gone.  I don't get morning erections anymore and I am

> > freaking worn out all the time!  I talked to my doctor

> > about my libido and he did a testosterone and Thyroid

> > Stimulating hormone blood tests which (according to the

> > doctor) were normal.

> >

> > Testosterone results: 372 (range is 241-827 ng/DL)

> > Thyroid Stimulating Hormone results: 1.936 (range is

> > 0.358-3.800 mcIU/mL)

> >

> > I know the results show me " mid-level " in those ranges but

> > how can that be normal? What is " Normal " for a man my age?

> >

> > With these results my doctor will no longer discuss therapy

> > and gave me Cialis!  What should I do now??

> >

> > Any help would be great!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We have ways to do labs with out a Dr. the guys that use them treat them selfs I

don't support doing this. Find a new Dr. then we can go about doing labs. If

you have to pay for them your self you better off going to the labs the guys use

that don't use a Dr. let me know how our labs are payed for.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: nwprtbud <bhorn2@...>

> Subject: Re: I could use some help/advice

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 4:27 PM

> Thanks for the information Phil!

>

> I will hit those websites when I get home tonight as they

> are blocked here at work.  After reading most of the

> posts on this site I have come to realize that A LOT of

> doctors don't listen to their patients when it comes to the

> issue of low testosterone!  I mean my doctor basically

> dismissed me by writing " normal no follow up appointment

> necessary " on my lab work results and mailed it to me! No

> phone call - nothing!

>

> I guess my next question is - How do I get these lab tests

> done without my doctor approving them?  Doesn't he have

> to write some sort of authorization?

>

> Bob

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: nwprtbud <bhorn2@...>

> > > Subject: I could use some

> help/advice

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 1:08 PM

> > > Hello there! I found this group by

> > > accident while I was researching what my

> Testosterone and

> > > Thyroid blood test results meant.  I am a 46

> year old

> > > male, don't drink or smoke and am a little

> overweight. 

> > > I noticed that my sex drive has plummeted and my

> libido is

> > > gone.  I don't get morning erections anymore and

> I am

> > > freaking worn out all the time!  I talked to my

> doctor

> > > about my libido and he did a testosterone and

> Thyroid

> > > Stimulating hormone blood tests which (according

> to the

> > > doctor) were normal.

> > >

> > > Testosterone results: 372 (range is 241-827

> ng/DL)

> > > Thyroid Stimulating Hormone results: 1.936 (range

> is

> > > 0.358-3.800 mcIU/mL)

> > >

> > > I know the results show me " mid-level " in those

> ranges but

> > > how can that be normal? What is " Normal " for a

> man my age?

> > >

> > > With these results my doctor will no longer

> discuss therapy

> > > and gave me Cialis!  What should I do now??

> > >

> > > Any help would be great!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Bob:

I recommend http://www.privatemdlabs.com

You can get a 15% discount with code: JAN10BSTA

They use Labcorp, which probably has a location near you, and provide results

via e-mail.

You are right that doctor must order the tests and receive the results.

They have a doctor that does this and passes along the resulte to you.

Randy Hoops

Springfield, MO

>

>

> I guess my next question is - How do I get these lab tests done without my

doctor approving them? Doesn't he have to write some sort of authorization?

>

> Bob

[Guest guest]

Hey man, sorry to hear about Junior but here is what I can tell you from the

information you have provided.

Junior is lazy in the morning because your levels is 372 or lower. Depending on

how much over weight you are, you just might need to change your diet. Stress,

fatigue and many other things can kill a sex drive. Your doctor is like the 5

that I have seen before I found a good doctor. First. for your age you should

be between 550 1100. Youa re at 372. Now even with 372 you can get erectons so

you may have to resolve some stresses in your life. Your energy levels wont be

corrected with energy drinks or caffine pills. So dont go that route. Also dont

take any ED drugs. Junior wont be happy with you.

Start with Natural before you get into pharmacutical:

Here is my suggestion assuming you are healthy and normal and non hypogonadal.

go to GNC and buy this product called Tribex (Anyone will do) or go online and

buy it and buy Novadex XT. Tribex will signal your brain to get your balls

(engines) working. Novadex XT will prevent ur new testosterone supply from

becoming into estrogen (which also will decrease your libdo) And a MultiVitamin

(mens)

Week 1: (take multivitamin at 8am)

Take take 1 Tribex pill and 1 Novadex XT pill in the morning and 2 tribex pills

in the afternoon before 3pm. (What you are doing is increasing your brain

signals to get the engines rolling again and then using Novadex XT to prevent ur

new testosterone from converting into estrogen and boosting ur test levels).

Use a sleeping aid as well and use a natural one. (walgreens has some).

Week 2:(take multivitamin at 8am)

Take 1 tribex pill in the morning and 1 tribex pill at 12pm. Discontinue Novadex

XT because now you need some of ur new testosterone to convert into estrogen to

get your libido going.

Week 3:(take multivitamin at 8am)

By now, your energy, mood and libido should have increased. Now you are ready

to work out a little bit. The overweight part of you needs to go!! So, start

by doing 14 minutes of Cardio a day.

Take 1 pill of Tribex and 1 novadex xt in the morning and do 7 minutes of cardio

(slow). Then take 1 tribex at 12pm, then do the other 7 minutes of cardio before

8pm. You may not need a sleeping aid but if you do take one.

Week 4: Do the same thing as week 3

New month: Stop taking all the drugs from week 1 thru 4 and go back to normal

life with more exersise and good diet. Stay consistant and wala you will have

erections as hard as titainum and a libido like a pornstar.

Also one more thing. Try to smell the cent of cinnimon in the mornings. This

will help in ur erection without the use of drugs.

Your welcome

>

> Hello there! I found this group by accident while I was researching what my

Testosterone and Thyroid blood test results meant. I am a 46 year old male,

don't drink or smoke and am a little overweight. I noticed that my sex drive

has plummeted and my libido is gone. I don't get morning erections anymore and

I am freaking worn out all the time! I talked to my doctor about my libido and

he did a testosterone and Thyroid Stimulating hormone blood tests which

(according to the doctor) were normal.

>

> Testosterone results: 372 (range is 241-827 ng/DL)

> Thyroid Stimulating Hormone results: 1.936 (range is 0.358-3.800 mcIU/mL)

>

> I know the results show me " mid-level " in those ranges but how can that be

normal? What is " Normal " for a man my age?

>

> With these results my doctor will no longer discuss therapy and gave me

Cialis! What should I do now??

>

> Any help would be great!

>

[Guest guest]

Hey randy

I found a Labcorp location right here near where I live! So my next quetion -

which set of labs do I request from their list of tests?

I looked in Male Specific tests and there are MANY to choose!

> >

> >

> > I guess my next question is - How do I get these lab tests done without my

doctor approving them? Doesn't he have to write some sort of authorization?

> >

> > Bob

>

[Guest guest]

I recommend that you order your tests via www.lef.org They have

discounted tests that will cost you a lot less when compared to

something one's doctor might order. It's the identical test but if you

don't have insurance say for a cholesterol test, the lab will charge you

upwards of $150 just of that one test. For $30-40 one can order via

www.lef.org and get the cholesterol test and have the full CBC, CMP,

and uric acid thrown in as well. LEF has doctors that sign the lab work

orders so there is no problem with getting what you want, unless you are

in New York which has highly restrictive laws designed to maximize

medical profits.

Of course, the all depends on you NOT having health insurance that

covers lab work. If you have health insurance, go with what your doctor

orders.

Steve

On 1/7/2010 4:48 PM, nwprtbud wrote:

> Hey randy

> I found a Labcorp location right here near where I live! So my next quetion -

which set of labs do I request from their list of tests?

> I looked in Male Specific tests and there are MANY to choose!

>

>

>>>

>>>

>>> I guess my next question is - How do I get these lab tests done without my

doctor approving them? Doesn't he have to write some sort of authorization?

>>>

>>> Bob

>>

>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

[Guest guest]

Good point Steve and if you go to Dr. 's site he is is offering a

complimentary 12-month subscription to Life Extension magazine. Get this then

when your order they will make you an offer to join there club and you get lower

cost for labs.

www.allthingsmale.com

At this link are all the tests you can get.

http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > Hey randy

> > I found a Labcorp location right here near where I

> live!  So my next quetion - which set of labs do I

> request from their list of tests?

> > I looked in Male Specific tests and there are MANY to

> choose!

> >

> >

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I guess my next question is - How do I get

> these lab tests done without my doctor approving them? 

> Doesn't he have to write some sort of authorization?

> >>>

> >>> Bob

> >>

> >

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

> run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

>

> " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American

> Patriotism "

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I recommend you compare prices with Private MD Labs.

From the few comparisons I've made, Private MD Labs can be quite a bit cheaper

than even the LEF's member prices. Your mileage may vary.

>

> I recommend that you order your tests via www.lef.org

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:08:26 -0000, you wrote:

>Hello there! I found this group by accident while I was researching what my

Testosterone and Thyroid blood test results meant. I am a 46 year old male,

don't drink or smoke and am a little overweight. I noticed that my sex drive

has plummeted and my libido is gone. I don't get morning erections anymore and

I am freaking worn out all the time! I talked to my doctor about my libido and

he did a testosterone and Thyroid Stimulating hormone blood tests which

(according to the doctor) were normal.

>

>Testosterone results: 372 (range is 241-827 ng/DL)

>Thyroid Stimulating Hormone results: 1.936 (range is 0.358-3.800 mcIU/mL)

>

>I know the results show me " mid-level " in those ranges but how can that be

normal? What is " Normal " for a man my age?

>

>With these results my doctor will no longer discuss therapy and gave me Cialis!

What should I do now??

>

>Any help would be great!

372 is quite low. At your age you should be above 600. Before they

start talking giving you testosterone insist on an E2 test. E2 is a

potent form of estrogen called estradiol. In men T is converted to E2.

SOme men can control high E2 and get a 300 point boost in their

testosterone levels.

BTW 372 is low for an 80 year old man. Look in the files section of

the online group and you will find a table of average levels by age.

Also Research indicates a level of 500 is necessary for healthy

erections.

Your Doc needs an education. If he's unwilling to test E2 or explore

your levels more, get a new one.

You should know levels can change by 100s of points in hours. You

should likely get a follow up test. And include E2.

Also a prolactin test is called for when T levels are low.

Educate yourself here:

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

[Guest guest]

vadielunn

Thanks for the info - but I have a question. Do you ever go back to taking the

Tribex and Novadex XT? Is this a cycle on and cycle off plan that has to be

repeated in a specific pattern?

Bob

> >

> > Hello there! I found this group by accident while I was researching what my

Testosterone and Thyroid blood test results meant. I am a 46 year old male,

don't drink or smoke and am a little overweight. I noticed that my sex drive

has plummeted and my libido is gone. I don't get morning erections anymore and

I am freaking worn out all the time! I talked to my doctor about my libido and

he did a testosterone and Thyroid Stimulating hormone blood tests which

(according to the doctor) were normal.

> >

> > Testosterone results: 372 (range is 241-827 ng/DL)

> > Thyroid Stimulating Hormone results: 1.936 (range is 0.358-3.800 mcIU/mL)

> >

> > I know the results show me " mid-level " in those ranges but how can that be

normal? What is " Normal " for a man my age?

> >

> > With these results my doctor will no longer discuss therapy and gave me

Cialis! What should I do now??

> >

> > Any help would be great!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Since I am hypogondal yes. I dont know what my levels are at the moment but I

can tell you is that that if I feel a feeling of well being then I know that my

levels are good and high. If i feel like crap.. then I know my level of test is

too low and estro too high. Now, taking things like Tribex on long term is

fine. It is all natural. Taking Novadex XT long term is not good. You need

estrogen as well. Since you are 46, your engines (Balls) are working at slow

speed. My boss is like 50 something and the mans test levels are high. ED meds

will NOT help you.. You can get a boner, but your sexual energy needs to be

their as well. I think you should email me when you read this.

Trance325@...

> > >

> > > Hello there! I found this group by accident while I was researching what

my Testosterone and Thyroid blood test results meant. I am a 46 year old male,

don't drink or smoke and am a little overweight. I noticed that my sex drive

has plummeted and my libido is gone. I don't get morning erections anymore and

I am freaking worn out all the time! I talked to my doctor about my libido and

he did a testosterone and Thyroid Stimulating hormone blood tests which

(according to the doctor) were normal.

> > >

> > > Testosterone results: 372 (range is 241-827 ng/DL)

> > > Thyroid Stimulating Hormone results: 1.936 (range is 0.358-3.800 mcIU/mL)

> > >

> > > I know the results show me " mid-level " in those ranges but how can that be

normal? What is " Normal " for a man my age?

> > >

> > > With these results my doctor will no longer discuss therapy and gave me

Cialis! What should I do now??

> > >

> > > Any help would be great!

> > >

> >

>