Re: starting testim tomorrow

[Guest guest]

Hi and Welcome,

I pray your Dr. did every test he could to find out why your low. Before you go

on this Testim going on any kind of TRT will shut your body down from making any

Testosterone. Then it's hard to find out why your low. We have seen men have a

low infection, over do it exercising, have high Iron leveled, be allergic to

Milk, have very high Estradiol levels all of witch if you fix them your

Testosterone levels can go back up with out TRT.

TRT is for life do more testing to main things that cause this where you need

treatment for life are being Primary meaning your testis don't work or Secondary

meaning your Pituitary dose not work dose not tell your Testis to make T.

I find Dr.'s are to fast to jump on going on TRT with out looking deeper.

As for your Testim if you start on a starting dose 5 grams you need to do labs

again in 2 weeks to be sure your levels are coming up. Some Dr.'s put men on

gels and tell them to come back in 3 months this is not right you can end up as

low as you are if the gel is not working getting through your skin or the dose

is to low.

You need to get your Total T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range and

you need to check your Estradiol and keep it down to about 20 pg/ml.

Most men going on Testim feel better fast in about a week. Here is a copy of a

file I made about this.

But first go to Dr. 's site he is about the best male hormone Dr. out there

one of the best. Go to his site read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG

Update he puts this out there free for you and your Dr. In this are labs you

need and why.

www.allthingsmale.com

====================================================

Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Tomines <robtomines@...>

> Subject: starting testim tomorrow

>

> Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 3:11 PM

> Hi All,

>

> I'm starting my HRT Testim treatment tomorrow.  My

> last blood draw

> tested with my Testosterone at 170.  Anybody have any

> experience with

> Testim?  As opposed to Androgel?  What can I

> expect in the next week?

> month? year?   I work out pretty regularly

> (weights and cardio) 5 days

> a week but find it increasingly difficult to maintain

> muscle mass.  My

> libido is not what i used to be and I'm often

> fatigued.  All these

> symptoms I can probably attribute to my low T.  Any

> idea on how

> quickly I can start to see things turn around.

>

> Thanks ahead of time.

>

> Rob

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Philip - first thanks for your response.

My doctor determined that I have secondary hypogonadism. I have a an MRI

scheduled for tomorrow morning to determine if there is anything wrong with

my pituitary. I'll go ahead and read the links that you have sent.

What can cause high Estradiol levels?

Rob

On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:00 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hi and Welcome,

>

> I pray your Dr. did every test he could to find out why your low. Before

> you go on this Testim going on any kind of TRT will shut your body down from

> making any Testosterone. Then it's hard to find out why your low. We have

> seen men have a low infection, over do it exercising, have high Iron

> leveled, be allergic to Milk, have very high Estradiol levels all of witch

> if you fix them your Testosterone levels can go back up with out TRT.

>

> TRT is for life do more testing to main things that cause this where you

> need treatment for life are being Primary meaning your testis don't work or

> Secondary meaning your Pituitary dose not work dose not tell your Testis to

> make T.

>

> I find Dr.'s are to fast to jump on going on TRT with out looking deeper.

>

> As for your Testim if you start on a starting dose 5 grams you need to do

> labs again in 2 weeks to be sure your levels are coming up. Some Dr.'s put

> men on gels and tell them to come back in 3 months this is not right you can

> end up as low as you are if the gel is not working getting through your skin

> or the dose is to low.

>

> You need to get your Total T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs

> range and you need to check your Estradiol and keep it down to about 20

> pg/ml.

>

> Most men going on Testim feel better fast in about a week. Here is a copy

> of a file I made about this.

>

> But first go to Dr. 's site he is about the best male hormone Dr. out

> there one of the best. Go to his site read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his

> HCG Update he puts this out there free for you and your Dr. In this are labs

> you need and why.

> www.allthingsmale.com

> ====================================================

> Starting on Androgel or Testim.

> Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your

> brain sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down

> even stops sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the

> Testosterone you were making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you

> add this dose of gel your brain sees this and you lose the base level you

> had before the gel.

>

> Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with

> is what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

>

> The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in

> the first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this

> and you fall back.

>

> Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel

> you need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back

> as far as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side.

> Just spread it over the area but don't rub it in.

>

> The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need

> more. If you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels

> and creams don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

>

> I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

> feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

> grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about

> the use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this

> happen and test them again in 2 weeks.

> When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and

> then put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs.

> If you can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get

any

> gel on the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

>

> Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but

> fell back.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Tomines <robtomines@... <robtomines%40gmail.com>>

> > Subject: starting testim tomorrow

> > < %40>

> > Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 3:11 PM

>

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I'm starting my HRT Testim treatment tomorrow. My

> > last blood draw

> > tested with my Testosterone at 170. Anybody have any

> > experience with

> > Testim? As opposed to Androgel? What can I

> > expect in the next week?

> > month? year? I work out pretty regularly

> > (weights and cardio) 5 days

> > a week but find it increasingly difficult to maintain

> > muscle mass. My

> > libido is not what i used to be and I'm often

> > fatigued. All these

> > symptoms I can probably attribute to my low T. Any

> > idea on how

> > quickly I can start to see things turn around.

> >

> > Thanks ahead of time.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ok great keep me in the loop how your doing with this and if you need more info

just ask.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Tomines <robtomines@...

> <robtomines%40gmail.com>>

> > > Subject: starting testim tomorrow

> > >

> < %40>

> > > Date: Thursday, July 15, 2010, 3:11 PM

> >

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I'm starting my HRT Testim treatment

> tomorrow.  My

> > > last blood draw

> > > tested with my Testosterone at 170.  Anybody

> have any

> > > experience with

> > > Testim?  As opposed to Androgel?  What

> can I

> > > expect in the next week?

> > > month? year?   I work out pretty

> regularly

> > > (weights and cardio) 5 days

> > > a week but find it increasingly difficult to

> maintain

> > > muscle mass.  My

> > > libido is not what i used to be and I'm often

> > > fatigued.  All these

> > > symptoms I can probably attribute to my low

> T.  Any

> > > idea on how

> > > quickly I can start to see things turn around.

> > >

> > > Thanks ahead of time.

> > >

> > > Rob

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >