Re: My latest labs

January 28, 2011

I feel it's your high Estradiol levels doing this to you that is how I feel when

I am to high and now I know if I go to low I can feel like this.

Your E2 levels in my units are at 41 pg/ml. Take that Arimidex your Dr. had

compounded for you every other day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: My latest labs

>

> Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 7:32 PM

> What did you think of those results

> btw?

>

> Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

>

> S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

> Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured: Testosteron

> (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

> S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

>

> Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

>

> FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

>

> Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling this

> evening and it's still here at 1:30 am. :-(

>

January 28, 2011

So I should just try Arimidex? Hertoghe has NOT gotten back to me about

Arimidex. He told me to test my E2 again, a third time, and I did. I feel I

can't start new medications without his permission.

Today is the worst day in a LONG time: Pressure and unreal feeling in my head,

sleepy, tired, weak, eyelids are very heavy, EXTREMELY DIZZY FEELING ALL THE

TIME, feel like I'm gonna die.

When I increased HC from 35 to 40 mg 10 days ago, I think it lowered my Thyroid

and Potassium. So now I feel VERY Hypo.....

And 2 days ago I had a BLACK tongue. Why won't they go thru my body (at the

ER/Hospital) when I showed them my black tongue? They just " we don't know what

this is.. possibly an allergic reaction " and sent me home. I could be DYING now

from someting MYSTERIOUS for all I know! :-(

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: My latest labs

>

> Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 7:32 PM

> What did you think of those results

> btw?

>

> Â Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

>

> Â S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> Â S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

> Â Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured: Testosteron

> (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

> Â S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> Â S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> Â S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

>

> Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

>

> Â FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> Â FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> Â TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> Â Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> Â Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> Â Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

>

> Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling this

> evening and it's still here at 1:30 am. :-(

>

> Â Â Â

>

January 28, 2011

I can't tell you what to do I am not a Dr. But it's in your ball park. If I

were you I would try the Arimidex see if it helps me feel better doing .25 mgs

every other day is not much and can't hurt you. If you don't feel better in a

few weeks stop taking it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: My latest labs

>

> >

>

> > Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 7:32 PM

>

> > What did you think of those results

>

> > btw?

>

> >

>

> > Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

>

> > S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

>

> > S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

>

> > Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured:

> Testosteron

>

> > (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

>

> > S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

>

> > S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

>

> > S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

>

> > S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

>

> > S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

>

> >

>

> > Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

>

> > FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

>

> > TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

>

> > Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

>

> > Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

>

> > Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling

> this

>

> > evening and it's still here at 1:30 am. :-(

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

January 29, 2011

Hello,

How much thyroid do you take? Your FT3 should be in the very top?

With thoses FT4/FT3 your are very hypoT.

What is your basal temperature/pulse?

>

> What did you think of those results btw?

>

> Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

>

> S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

> Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured: Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG

(nmol/l) = FTI.

> S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

>

> Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

>

> FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

>

> Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling this evening and it's

still here at 1:30 am. :-(

>

January 29, 2011

,

Could you send me doctor from Finland contacts? I read your " Long story " in one

of the threads and you mention that you visited doctor in Finland. Is he/she

student of Hertoghe? There is a patient with reverse T3 problem from Finland and

looking for doctor.

Antanas

January 29, 2011

Don't believe what you read at Thyroid forums I do fine at my levels if I go

higher on FT3 I end up Hyper. I don't do my basal temperature anymore my Avg.

temps taking them 3x's per day are 98.4. And I am a Mod at a Thyroid Forum. I

was on Armour at one time doing 4 grains per day. Until they pulled it off the

market.

Today I do 150 mcg. of T4 with 5 mcgs of T3 2x's per day. If I take my T3 3x's

/day go hyper. You can't and should not do your meds for Thyroid by labs only

try adding how you feel. When I was on 4 grans of Armour my FT4 was the same

but my FT3 was very high and I was hyper not knowing it the whole time I was on

this dose.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: My latest labs

>

> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 8:20 AM

>

> Hello,

>

> How much thyroid do you take? Your FT3 should be in the

> very top?

> With thoses FT4/FT3 your are very hypoT.

>

> What is your basal temperature/pulse?

>

> >

> > What did you think of those results btw?

> >

> > Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

> >

> > S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> > S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> > S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

> > Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured:

> Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

> > S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> > S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> > S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> > S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

> >

> > I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

> >

> > Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

> >

> > FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> > FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> > TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> > Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> > Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> > Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

> >

> > Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling

> this evening and it's still here at 1:30 am. :-(

> >

January 29, 2011

>

> Don't believe what you read at Thyroid forums I do fine at my levels if I go

higher on FT3 I end up Hyper. I don't do my basal temperature anymore my Avg.

temps taking them 3x's per day are 98.4. And I am a Mod at a Thyroid Forum. I

was on Armour at one time doing 4 grains per day. Until they pulled it off the

market.

>

> Today I do 150 mcg. of T4 with 5 mcgs of T3 2x's per day. If I take my T3

3x's /day go hyper. You can't and should not do your meds for Thyroid by labs

only try adding how you feel. When I was on 4 grans of Armour my FT4 was the

same but my FT3 was very high and I was hyper not knowing it the whole time I

was on this dose.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

Did you take basal temp when you was hyper? I can't believe that someone can go

hyper if he/she check's basal pulse/temp. My basal at the moment 36.0, but 3x

per day(drrind.com) ~36.8C. I have RT3 problem, and feel hypo, but 3x temp is

nearly normal.

January 29, 2011

No not basal when I first started to treat my Adrenals and Thyroid I did they

were 96.0 I feel basal is only good to see if you have a problem before going on

meds.

http://drbate.com/Ref/thyroid.html

Doing my temps 3x's / day and taking the avg. from them I went from 98.4 to 99.8

when I was hyper and my BP was up with my heart rate.

The best way to gage how your doing starting on HC meds is to follow this link

and take your temps and chart them you can even print the chart off from this

link.

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

You can read how I got started treating my Adreanls and Thyroid at this forum

but I think you need to join to read it.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24

===================================================

The ACTH Stim test will show if it's your Adrenals or your Pituitary not sending

the message ACTH to your Adrenals to make Cortisol. Here is a link to Chris's

Explanation of the ACTH test you need to read this I have seen posts where Dr.'s

did it wrong. You need to be sure you understand about this test and how to read

it.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/co ... .php?t=288.

Most people find out they have low cortisol because they have a low Thyroid

Problem one needs cortisol to carry the thyroid hormone from the blood to the

cells. If there cortisol is low do to Adrenal Fatigue there is not enough

cortisol to do this and as they up there meds they start to feel hyper because

the hormone is going to high in the blood and not being carried to the cells.

One big cause of Adrenal Fatigue is a low Thyroid the Adrenals work over time to

bring up levels of thyroid and become fatigued.

Now we are finding a lot of men with low Testosterone have Adrenal Fatigue do to

the stress of low Testosterone be it from the fatigue of low Testosterone or the

high Estradiol. But it's dam odd that as men hear about this and are not feeling

100% on Testosterone Replacement Therapy that after a blood test there cortisol

levels are low.

The first thing I did was to try and figure out what stage of Adrenal Fatigue I

was at and it looked like stage 3.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/Selye%20large.html

Then I went to this site and printed out a chart for tracking your body's temps.

I first took my temp under my arm before getting out of bed for 10 min.'s if it

is under 97.8 you have a thyroid problem. Took my temps 4 morning and then I did

an avg. it was 95.8. So now I for sure I am hypo.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Using this to take my temps it is also sold at Wall-Greens and Wal-mart.

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/P ... ometer.htm

Then after I was up for 3 hrs I took my temp every 3 hrs 3 times a day and did

an avg. My avg. was low between 96.8 to 97.6 and each day was up or down more

then 2ths this is Adrenal Fatigue.

I then ordered a Saliva Test through this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

From the Canary Club for about $140.00 this is the best way to test cortisol

levels and DHEA.

Then I bought the book " Adrenal Fatigue The 21st. Century by . This book

was a big help in understanding this problem but doing what he said to treat it

did nothing to my temp chart. It has this in it Pituitary Extract (Freeze-Dried)

120 mg

Adrenal Cortex Extract 33 mg and cortisol but you have no idea how much.

http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html

Also he said to do B Vit.s.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Vit. C

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Everyone with low Cortisol has low DHEA I take this 2 a day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I take 3 grams of a good brand of Fish OIL. I buy mine at Coscos (spelling) I

get the one that is coated so you don't burp it up.

And there is Maca this helps keep your Adrenal hormones leveled. I was off this

for 30 days and just went back on it I feel better on this. I do 1/2 tsp 2 x's a

day. This is the best price and product on he web.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pi ... aca-Powder

I dropped the Adrenal cortex

http://www.myvitanet.com/adsolfrac50c.html

It did nothing.

I got some Isocort and started on it it is made from sheep adrenal's and wow the

first pill made me feel good you need to start this slow. I did 4 pills = 10mgs.

of cortisol first thing in the morning with food and 2 pills = 5mgs. of cortisol

at noon and dinner. This changed my chart my temps come up to 98.4 to 99 but

still up and down if your avg. is up or down from day to day more then .2 tenths

your cortisol is still to low. I followed this to get started.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ad ... w-to-treat

My Dr. would not give me Hydrocortisone said it's not safe to use. So I got this

book by Dr. Jefferies " Safe Uses of Cortisol "

http://members.aol.com/jefferiesw/

http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X

Showed this to my Dr. and he blew it off and pissed me off.

I got up to 120mgs of Armour and could not do more my charting even showed my

Adrenals were not right to go higher. So I switched to HC and stated with 10mgs.

in the morning wow in less then a week my temps were a straight line across at

98.6 first time in 8 months of charting things were looking good and I was

feeling better. So if you need to treat your Adrenals the best place for info is

at this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/co ... um.php?f=5

Today I am on 3.5 grains of Armour taking it 3x's a day. I am on 25mgs of Cortef

starting at 10mgs first thing in the morning at 5am I still wake up at this time

now that I am retired. I then go back to bed and when I get up at 8am I feel

good. My next dose is 5mgs at 9am, then 5mgs at 1pm and my last dose is at 6pm.

I do 70mgs of Testosterone every 3 days and 350 IU's of HCG the 2 days each in

between my Testosterone shots I also do this at 5am. I use Arimidex to keep my

Estradiol levels down a lot of men over 40 years of age have higher levels then

the women. When this gets to high you can kiss your libido good by. I have just

started on Floinef because of feeling hot so bad that I would not go out side in

the summer heat. I would void every 2 hrs around the clock 24/7 this was due to

low Aldosterone levels my body is dumping my sodium. So there you have it after

24 yrs we finely got it right and now I feel good.Men's Thyroid Fourm Moderator

and Hypopituitary Co-Moderator, not a medical professional.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: My latest labs

>

> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 2:23 PM

>

> >

> > Don't believe what you read at Thyroid forums I do

> fine at my levels if I go higher on FT3 I end up

> Hyper. I don't do my basal temperature anymore my Avg.

> temps taking them 3x's per day are 98.4. And I am a

> Mod at a Thyroid Forum. I was on Armour at one time

> doing 4 grains per day. Until they pulled it off the

> market.

> >

> > Today I do 150 mcg. of T4 with 5 mcgs of T3 2x's per

> day. If I take my T3 3x's /day go hyper. You

> can't and should not do your meds for Thyroid by labs only

> try adding how you feel. When I was on 4 grans of

> Armour my FT4 was the same but my FT3 was very high and I

> was hyper not knowing it the whole time I was on this dose.

>

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

> Did you take basal temp when you was hyper? I can't believe

> that someone can go hyper if he/she check's basal

> pulse/temp. My basal at the moment 36.0, but 3x per

> day(drrind.com) ~36.8C. I have RT3 problem, and feel hypo,

> but 3x temp is nearly normal.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

January 29, 2011

I am on 2 grains ERFA Thyroid (120 mg), 35 mg HC (was taking 40 mg for 11 days,

dosed down to 37.5 mg yesterday and 35 mg today). I don't know why FT3 is that

low. Would high cortisol lower FT3?

From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

Subject: Re: My latest labs

Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 2:20 PM

Â

Hello,

How much thyroid do you take? Your FT3 should be in the very top?

With thoses FT4/FT3 your are very hypoT.

What is your basal temperature/pulse?

>

> What did you think of those results btw?

>

> Â Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

>

> Â S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> Â S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

> Â Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured: Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG

(nmol/l) = FTI.

> Â S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> Â S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> Â S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

>

> Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

>

> Â FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> Â FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> Â TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> Â Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> Â Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> Â Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

>

> Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling this evening and it's

still here at 1:30 am. :-(

>

January 29, 2011

I am on 2 grains ERFA Thyroid (120 mg), 35 mg HC (was taking 40 mg for 11 days,

dosed down to 37.5 mg yesterday and 35 mg today). I don't know why FT3 is that

low. Would high cortisol lower FT3?

BP is 120/80

Pulse is 80, believe it or not.

From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

Subject: Re: My latest labs

Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 2:20 PM

Â

Hello,

How much thyroid do you take? Your FT3 should be in the very top?

With thoses FT4/FT3 your are very hypoT.

What is your basal temperature/pulse?

>

> What did you think of those results btw?

>

> Â Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

>

> Â S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> Â S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

> Â Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured: Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG

(nmol/l) = FTI.

> Â S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> Â S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> Â S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> Â S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

>

> Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

>

> Â FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> Â FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> Â TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> Â Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> Â Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> Â Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

>

> Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling this evening and it's

still here at 1:30 am. :-(

>

January 29, 2011

The Finnish doctors name is KARIN MUNSTERHJELM and lives in Tammisaari. But she

is having less and less patients now, from " stepping down " , ya know, she's

trying to work less. She's been a doctor since the 70s. She's the warmest most

amazing doc I ever met in my life. I love her with all my heart. However, I only

tried the rT3-treatment for 3 months then switched doc to Hertoghe, because my

Finnish doc said I was the worst case she had ever seen. She believes I have rT3

issues, Hertoghe doesn't believe too much in rT3-theories and wants to treat

pentients with other hormones BEFORE trying T3-only as a last resort. Having

said that... Good luck to the Finnish patient! PS! Karin is not a student of

Hertoghe, but she likes him a lot. Recommended!

From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

Subject: Re: My latest labs

Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 4:15 PM

Â

,

Could you send me doctor from Finland contacts? I read your " Long story " in one

of the threads and you mention that you visited doctor in Finland. Is he/she

student of Hertoghe? There is a patient with reverse T3 problem from Finland and

looking for doctor.

Antanas

January 29, 2011

HERTOGHES SECRET is that he treats ALL hormones that are low, on blood samples,

and tried to BALANCE THEM OUT - He says that a high FT3 is not needed if one has

adequate Testosterone for example, and also Growth Hormone. I think he has a

point. So I might not need very high FT3 to be normal.

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: My latest labs

>

> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 8:20 AM

>

> Hello,

>

> How much thyroid do you take? Your FT3 should be in the

> very top?

> With thoses FT4/FT3 your are very hypoT.

>

> What is your basal temperature/pulse?

>

> >

> > What did you think of those results btw?

> >

> > Â Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

> >

> > Â S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> > Â S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> > Â S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

> > Â Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured:

> Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

> > Â S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> > Â S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> > Â S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > Â S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> > Â S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

> >

> > I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

> >

> > Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

> >

> > Â FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> > Â FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> > Â TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> > Â Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> > Â Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> > Â Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

> >

> > Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling

> this evening and it's still here at 1:30 am. :-(

> >

> >Â Â Â Â Â

> >

January 29, 2011

T3 requires cortisol to enter the cells and to go to work. When low cortisol

is corrected the FT3 level often falls as more thyroid is used up and enters

the cells due to there being more cortisol.

-Nigel

On 29 January 2011 16:50, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote:

>

> I am on 2 grains ERFA Thyroid (120 mg), 35 mg HC (was taking 40 mg for 11

> days, dosed down to 37.5 mg yesterday and 35 mg today). I don't know why FT3

> is that low. Would high cortisol lower FT3?

>

January 29, 2011

Wow thanks for all the information Phil very illuminating.

> > >

> > > Don't believe what you read at Thyroid forums I do

> > fine at my levels if I go higher on FT3 I end up

> > Hyper. I don't do my basal temperature anymore my Avg.

> > temps taking them 3x's per day are 98.4. And I am a

> > Mod at a Thyroid Forum. I was on Armour at one time

> > doing 4 grains per day. Until they pulled it off the

> > market.

> > >

> > > Today I do 150 mcg. of T4 with 5 mcgs of T3 2x's per

> > day. If I take my T3 3x's /day go hyper. You

> > can't and should not do your meds for Thyroid by labs only

> > try adding how you feel. When I was on 4 grans of

> > Armour my FT4 was the same but my FT3 was very high and I

> > was hyper not knowing it the whole time I was on this dose.

> >

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

> >

> > Did you take basal temp when you was hyper? I can't believe

> > that someone can go hyper if he/she check's basal

> > pulse/temp. My basal at the moment 36.0, but 3x per

> > day(drrind.com) ~36.8C. I have RT3 problem, and feel hypo,

> > but 3x temp is nearly normal.

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

January 30, 2011

YES, but then why do I feel more hypo if more T3 is entering the cells?

I am now back on 35 mg HC since yesterday.

>

> I am on 2 grains ERFA Thyroid (120 mg), 35 mg HC (was taking 40 mg for 11

> days, dosed down to 37.5 mg yesterday and 35 mg today). I don't know why FT3

> is that low. Would high cortisol lower FT3?

>

January 30, 2011

I can't say I never seen it happen to me or others and like I said your doing 40

mgs is for most people a therapeutic dose.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: My latest labs

>

> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 2:20 PM

>

> Hello,

>

> How much thyroid do you take? Your FT3 should be in the

> very top?

>

> With thoses FT4/FT3 your are very hypoT.

>

> What is your basal temperature/pulse?

>

> >

>

> > What did you think of those results btw?

>

> >

>

> > Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

>

> > S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

>

> > S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) - OK.

>

> > Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured:

> Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

>

> > S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

>

> > S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

>

> > S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

>

> > S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

>

> > S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

>

> >

>

> > Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

>

> > FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

>

> > TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

>

> > Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

>

> > Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

>

> > Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Comments? I developed air hunger and stress-feeling

> this evening and it's still here at 1:30 am. :-(

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

January 30, 2011

I think you need to take a break from all this about your health. I feel your

stressing your self out about every thing that you feel changes from one day to

the next. You can make your self very sick doing this.

Try to keep your mind off this for a few days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

>

> > Subject: Re: My latest labs

>

> >

>

> > Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 8:20 AM

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hello,

>

> >

>

> > How much thyroid do you take? Your FT3 should be

> in the

>

> > very top?

>

> > With thoses FT4/FT3 your are very hypoT.

>

> >

>

> > What is your basal temperature/pulse?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > > What did you think of those results btw?

>

> > >

>

> > > Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

>

> > >

>

> > > S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

>

> > > S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

>

> > > S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) -

> OK.

>

> > > Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured:

>

> > Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

>

> > > S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

>

> > > S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

>

> > > S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

>

> > > S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

>

> > > S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

>

> > >

>

> > > Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

>

> > >

>

> > > FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

>

> > > FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

>

> > > TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

>

> > > Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

>

> > > Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

>

> > > Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Comments? I developed air hunger and

> stress-feeling

>

> > this evening and it's still here at 1:30 am. :-(

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> >

January 30, 2011

This is a copy from my Thyroid forum for Men Only at

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewforum.php?f=5 & sid=48f54a403917f84aa961031d\

bbca4e91

I have been giving links to this forum but just seen you need to join to read

them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...>

> Subject: Re: My latest labs

>

> Date: Saturday, January 29, 2011, 8:57 PM

>

> Wow thanks for all the information Phil very illuminating.

>

> > > >

> > > > Don't believe what you read at Thyroid

> forums I do

> > > fine at my levels if I go higher on FT3 I end up

> > > Hyper. I don't do my basal temperature anymore

> my Avg.

> > > temps taking them 3x's per day are 98.4. And I

> am a

> > > Mod at a Thyroid Forum. I was on Armour at one

> time

> > > doing 4 grains per day. Until they pulled it

> off the

> > > market.

> > > >

> > > > Today I do 150 mcg. of T4 with 5 mcgs of T3

> 2x's per

> > > day. If I take my T3 3x's /day go hyper. You

> > > can't and should not do your meds for Thyroid by

> labs only

> > > try adding how you feel. When I was on 4 grans

> of

> > > Armour my FT4 was the same but my FT3 was very

> high and I

> > > was hyper not knowing it the whole time I was on

> this dose.

> > >

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > > >

> > >

> > > Did you take basal temp when you was hyper? I

> can't believe

> > > that someone can go hyper if he/she check's

> basal

> > > pulse/temp. My basal at the moment 36.0, but 3x

> per

> > > day(drrind.com) ~36.8C. I have RT3 problem, and

> feel hypo,

> > > but 3x temp is nearly normal.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

January 30, 2011

People that have health issues tend to go on to become cyberchondriacs. I always

tell people I am working with who have faith in me to get the hell of the

internet and start enjoying life. The few people that take this advice are the

ones that will get better quicker due to less stress come complications and

contradictions on line. If you are always constantly trying to second guess your

dr then it is not a good match. Simple solution find a new one. Do not waste his

time as well as your own.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > What did you think of those results btw?

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> >

> > > > S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet complete

> >

> > > > S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0 - 14.7) -

> > OK.

> >

> > > > Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is measured:

> >

> > > Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) = FTI.

> >

> > > > S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> >

> > > > S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0 nmol/l)

> >

> > > > S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> >

> > > > S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> >

> > > > S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > I will also add todays results, Thyroid etc.:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> >

> > > > FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> >

> > > > TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> >

> > > > Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> >

> > > > Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> >

> > > > Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > Comments? I developed air hunger and

> > stress-feeling

> >

> > > this evening and it's still here at 1:30 am. :-(

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > ------------------------------------

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

January 31, 2011

Hi Hard good to see you back. Thinks are finely going good for me. We cut back

on my dose of Test C and I am now only taking 12.6 mgs of Aromasin every 3 days

and I don't think I need it that much.

Turns out my E2 levels were to low at 8 but doing the Prog. I now get night time

and morning wood in my sleep at night. I am off Preg. and Prog. creams my preg.

levels on my last set of labs are over the top.

Pregnenolone, LC/MS/MS 262 high range 13 â€“ 208 ng/dL. Note: I was not on

Preg. Cream 6 weeks was on Prog. Cream. don't know why Preg. went up so high

Dr. thinks it might be the amount of Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh

(400mgs) 3xâ€™s/day he has me on.

So low E2 was making me have waves of Panic feelings Dr. said low E2 will do

this it's like Hot Flash's.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: My latest labs

>

> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:19 PM

> People that have health issues tend

> to go on to become cyberchondriacs. I always tell people I

> am working with who have faith in me to get the hell of the

> internet and start enjoying life. The few people that take

> this advice are the ones that will get better quicker due to

> less stress come complications and contradictions on line.

> If you are always constantly trying to second guess your dr

> then it is not a good match. Simple solution find a new one.

> Do not waste his time as well as your own.

>

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > What did you think of those results

> btw?

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Â Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Â S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet

> complete

> > >

> > > > > Â S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0

> - 14.7) -

> > > OK.

> > >

> > > > > Â Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is

> measured:

> > >

> > > > Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) =

> FTI.

> > >

> > > > > Â S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0

> nmol/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0

> nmol/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14

> nmol/l)

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > I will also add todays results, Thyroid

> etc.:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Â FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> > >

> > > > > Â Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> > >

> > > > > Â Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Comments? I developed air hunger and

> > > stress-feeling

> > >

> > > > this evening and it's still here at 1:30 am.

> :-(

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >Â Â Â Â Â

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

January 31, 2011

Since making alot of recommendations to cut back on HCG alot of guys have been

noticing they feel better need less AI or even coming off of them completely.

They are still getting the effects of the LH with out the rise in e2. I found a

few guys that like my self may be able to take 500 mgs of testosterone a week in

the past with no e2 issues but on 120 mgs a week with 250 ius 2 times a week

have e2 up the butt.

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > What did you think of those results

> > btw?

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Â Aker lab 17th of January 2011:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Â S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0 nmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â S-Dihydrotestosterone: Not yet

> > complete

> > > >

> > > > > > Â S-Free Testosterone Index: 11.6 (3.0

> > - 14.7) -

> > > > OK.

> > > >

> > > > > > Â Free Testosterone Index (FTI) is

> > measured:

> > > >

> > > > > Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG (nmol/l) =

> > FTI.

> > > >

> > > > > > Â S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â S-Progesterone: 1.3 (<3.0

> > nmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â S-Testosterone: 23.1 (8.0 - 35.0

> > nmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06 - 0.14

> > nmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > I will also add todays results, Thyroid

> > etc.:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Baerum lab. 26th of January 2011:

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Â FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0 pmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0 pmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5 mE/L)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6 mmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51 mmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > > Â Chloride 100 (100 - 110 mmol/l)

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Comments? I developed air hunger and

> > > > stress-feeling

> > > >

> > > > > this evening and it's still here at 1:30 am.

> > :-(

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> > been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

January 31, 2011

Well I cut back on both so far I feel good and on much less meds to keep E2 in

check.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: My latest labs

>

> Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 1:56 PM

> Since making alot of recommendations

> to cut back on HCG alot of guys have been noticing they feel

> better need less AI or even coming off of them completely.

> They are still getting the effects of the LH with out the

> rise in e2. I found a few guys that like my self may be able

> to take 500 mgs of testosterone a week in the past with no

> e2 issues but on 120 mgs a week with 250 ius 2 times a week

> have e2 up the butt.Â

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > What did you think of those

> results

> > > btw?

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â Aker lab 17th of January

> 2011:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â S-DHEA 11.6 (6.0 - 18.0

> nmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â S-Dihydrotestosterone:

> Not yet

> > > complete

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â S-Free Testosterone

> Index: 11.6 (3.0

> > > - 14.7) -

> > > > > OK.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â Free Testosterone Index

> (FTI) is

> > > measured:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Testosteron (nmol/l) x 10/SHBG

> (nmol/l) =

> > > FTI.

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â S-FSH: 1.2 (1 - 12 IE/l)

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â S-Progesterone: 1.3

> (<3.0

> > > nmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â S-SHBG: 20 (8 - 60

> nmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â S-Testosterone: 23.1

> (8.0 - 35.0

> > > nmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â S-Estradiol: 0.15* (0.06

> - 0.14

> > > nmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > I will also add todays

> results, Thyroid

> > > etc.:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Baerum lab. 26th of January

> 2011:

> > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â FT4 11.9 (9.0 - 21.0

> pmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â FT3 4.6 (3.5 - 7.0

> pmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â TSH 0.45 (0.2 - 4.5

> mE/L)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â Potassium 3.7 (3.6 - 4.6

> mmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â Calcium 2.3 (2.15 - 2.51

> mmol/l)

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â Chloride 100 (100 - 110

> mmol/l)

> > > > >

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> > > > > > > Comments? I developed air

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> > > > > > this evening and it's still here

> at 1:30 am.

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January 31, 2011

I just ordered hcg and the bac water, so I will fill myself up with hcg for at

least one month. If I don't see my testicles bigger I may have to sue Phil and a

few others....

Hey Phil, its so good to read you are doing better these couple of weeks. Keep

it up, but careful with those Dallas strippers- Go Jets!

Re: My latest labs

>

> Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 1:56 PM

> Since making alot of recommendations

> to cut back on HCG alot of guys have been noticing they feel

> better need less AI or even coming off of them completely.

> They are still getting the effects of the LH with out the

> rise in e2. I found a few guys that like my self may be able

> to take 500 mgs of testosterone a week in the past with no

> e2 issues but on 120 mgs a week with 250 ius 2 times a week

> have e2 up the butt.Â

>

> >

> > Hi Hard good to see you back.Â Thinks are finely

> going good for me.Â We cut back on my dose of Test C

> and I am now only taking 12.6 mgs of Aromasin every 3 days

> and I don't think I need it that much.

> >

&

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January 31, 2011

I feel so good if you sue me I will help you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> > Subject: Re: My latest labs

> >

> > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 1:56 PM

> > Since making alot of recommendations

> > to cut back on HCG alot of guys have been noticing

> they feel

> > better need less AI or even coming off of them

> completely.

> > They are still getting the effects of the LH with out

> the

> > rise in e2. I found a few guys that like my self may

> be able

> > to take 500 mgs of testosterone a week in the past

> with no

> > e2 issues but on 120 mgs a week with 250 ius 2 times

> a week

> > have e2 up the butt.

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Hard good to see you back. Thinks are

> finely

> > going good for me. We cut back on my dose of Test

> C

> > and I am now only taking 12.6 mgs of Aromasin every 3

> days

> > and I don't think I need it that much.

> > >

> &

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

February 1, 2011

if testicles are not getting larger then there may be problems with cellular

receptors which are governed by proper nutrient ratios

> > >

> > > Hi Hard good to see you back.Â Thinks are finely

> > going good for me.Â We cut back on my dose of Test C

> > and I am now only taking 12.6 mgs of Aromasin every 3 days

> > and I don't think I need it that much.

> > >

> &

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

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