Re: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml vials

[Guest guest]

When I started I was injecting 1cc/week of 200mg/ml from a 10ml vial.

I tested at 1263

Dose was dropped to 1/2cc/week and I was using the same size vial.

I tested at 728.

My knees stiil hurt so the the dose was upped to 3/4cc/week. At some point

between blood work I was refilled and received the 1ml vials.

I expected to check between 900 and 1000 but only checked 533.

AT the time, before the test my knees were still bothering me but I thought I

had my estradiol to low. Not the case. So at that point I thought the 1ml vial

were less potent. I didnt say anything about my knees at the time because he

does not treat the estradiol problem.

I was lucky and got refilled with a 10ml vial and that is what I have been doing

my shots with. Although my my still bother me a little I have felt better over

all.

New blood work might be in feb and I am going to bring this up with the doc

then.

Seems to coincidental, but to answer your question, yes I think they are less

potent. The brand was Paddock Labs.

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> Has anyone switched over and felt like the new vials were less potent?

>

> Barb

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[Guest guest]

Master, I am confused by your notation. At first you dosed at 1 cc per week,

right?

Then you increased to 2 cc per week? Right? This was an increase, not a

decrease?!

Thenyou went 3 shots of 4ccs per week? Wow, that is a huge increase.

I talke 1 cc per week and that seems to be ok.

I have a new provider also, and the liquid seems a little thinner.

Bill

From: master_trancer@...

Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:10:33 +0000

Subject: Re: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml vials

When I started I was injecting 1cc/week of 200mg/ml from a 10ml vial.

I tested at 1263

Dose was dropped to 1/2cc/week and I was using the same size vial.

I tested at 728.

My knees stiil hurt so the the dose was upped to 3/4cc/week. At some point

between blood work I was refilled and received the 1ml vials.

I expected to check between 900 and 1000 but only checked 533.

AT the time, before the test my knees were still bothering me but I thought I

had my estradiol to low. Not the case. So at that point I thought the 1ml vial

were less potent. I didnt say anything about my knees at the time because he

does not treat the estradiol problem.

I was lucky and got refilled with a 10ml vial and that is what I have been doing

my shots with. Although my my still bother me a little I have felt better over

all.

New blood work might be in feb and I am going to bring this up with the doc

then.

Seems to coincidental, but to answer your question, yes I think they are less

potent. The brand was Paddock Labs.

>

> Has anyone switched over and felt like the new vials were less potent?

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

Fractions, Bill, fractions. He went to 1/2 then 3/4.

DH's new vials are also Paddock. Interesting.

Barb

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> > Barb

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[Guest guest]

it's hard to draw a conclusion from this but it seems the most likely answer.

I will add that all these doses were broken down to shots done every 3 days and

all labs were done done within 3-4 days from the last shot.

So the only variable was the brand.

Its almost like its 100mg/ml not 200mg/ml.

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> > > Has anyone switched over and felt like the new vials were less potent?

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[Guest guest]

Yes my drug care plain has been sending 1ml vials for about 3 yrs and no it is

the same just harder to get it all out. My shots are .5 mils now and the first

shot is easy to get out but the next one I need to pull the needle dam near out

of the vial and hold it most times I will get over .5 mils but there are times I

just get .5 or a little less when this happens it's hard to get all the air out

and do a .5 ml shot.

The big mail order drug Co.'s will no longer send 10 ml. vials they can get them

but will not send them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml vials

>

> Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 7:32 PM

> Has anyone switched over and felt

> like the new vials were less potent?

>

> Barb

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[Guest guest]

,

When I started having a lot of pain in my lower back, hips and upper legs from

being on Statin Drugs my TT levels fell from the 900 to 500 the stress of the

pain will eat up your T meds big time. My Dr. had to up my dose to keep my

levels up this might be why your levels are not coming back up fast enough give

it time.

Any kind of stress or pain even getting the Flu will lower your T meds levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> Subject: Re: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml vials

>

> Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 8:10 PM

> When I started I was injecting

> 1cc/week of 200mg/ml from a 10ml vial.

> I tested at 1263

>

> Dose was dropped to 1/2cc/week and I was using the same

> size vial.

> I tested at 728.

>

> My knees stiil hurt so the the dose was upped to

> 3/4cc/week. At some point between blood work I was refilled

> and received the 1ml vials.

>

> I expected to check between 900 and 1000 but only checked

> 533.

>

> AT the time, before the test my knees were still bothering

> me but I thought I had my estradiol to low. Not the case. So

> at that point I thought the 1ml vial were less potent. I

> didnt say anything about my knees at the time because he

> does not treat the estradiol problem.

>

> I was lucky and got refilled with a 10ml vial and that is

> what I have been doing my shots with. Although my my still

> bother me a little I have felt better over all.

>

> New blood work might be in feb and I am going to bring this

> up with the doc then.

>

> Seems to coincidental, but to answer your question, yes I

> think they are less potent. The brand was Paddock Labs.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone switched over and felt like the new vials

> were less potent?

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Bill,

You read it wrong he went from 1cc to one half a cc or .5 cc shot going down on

the dose. His levels fell to low so his Dr. upped his dose to Three Quarters of

a cc or .75 cc.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml vials

>

> Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 10:16 PM

>

>

> Master,  I am confused by your notation.  At

> first you dosed at 1 cc per week, right? 

>

> Then you increased to 2 cc per week?  Right? 

> This was an increase, not a decrease?!

>

> Thenyou went 3 shots of 4ccs per week?  Wow, that is a

> huge increase. 

>

> I talke 1 cc per week and that seems to be ok. 

>

> I have a new provider also, and the liquid seems a little

> thinner.   

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> From: master_trancer@...

> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:10:33 +0000

> Subject: Re: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml

> vials

>

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> When I started I was injecting 1cc/week of 200mg/ml from a

> 10ml vial.

> I tested at 1263

>

> Dose was dropped to 1/2cc/week and I was using the same

> size vial.

> I tested at 728.

>

> My knees stiil hurt so the the dose was upped to

> 3/4cc/week. At some point between blood work I was refilled

> and received the 1ml vials.

>

> I expected to check between 900 and 1000 but only checked

> 533.

>

> AT the time, before the test my knees were still bothering

> me but I thought I had my estradiol to low. Not the case. So

> at that point I thought the 1ml vial were less potent. I

> didnt say anything about my knees at the time because he

> does not treat the estradiol problem.

>

> I was lucky and got refilled with a 10ml vial and that is

> what I have been doing my shots with. Although my my still

> bother me a little I have felt better over all.

>

> New blood work might be in feb and I am going to bring this

> up with the doc then.

>

> Seems to coincidental, but to answer your question, yes I

> think they are less potent. The brand was Paddock Labs.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone switched over and felt like the new vials

> were less potent?

> >

> > Barb

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Phil,

Makes sense now.

Bill

From: pmgamer18@...

Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 07:23:35 -0800

Subject: RE: Re: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml vials

Bill,

You read it wrong he went from 1cc to one half a cc or .5 cc shot going down on

the dose. His levels fell to low so his Dr. upped his dose to Three Quarters of

a cc or .75 cc.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill C <captainmarvel58@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml vials

>

> Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 10:16 PM

>

>

> Master, I am confused by your notation. At

> first you dosed at 1 cc per week, right?

>

> Then you increased to 2 cc per week? Right?

> This was an increase, not a decrease?!

>

> Thenyou went 3 shots of 4ccs per week? Wow, that is a

> huge increase.

>

> I talke 1 cc per week and that seems to be ok.

>

> I have a new provider also, and the liquid seems a little

> thinner.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> From: master_trancer@...

> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:10:33 +0000

> Subject: Re: New 1 ml vials vs. old 10 ml

> vials

>

>

>

>

>

>

> When I started I was injecting 1cc/week of 200mg/ml from a

> 10ml vial.

> I tested at 1263

>

> Dose was dropped to 1/2cc/week and I was using the same

> size vial.

> I tested at 728.

>

> My knees stiil hurt so the the dose was upped to

> 3/4cc/week. At some point between blood work I was refilled

> and received the 1ml vials.

>

> I expected to check between 900 and 1000 but only checked

> 533.

>

> AT the time, before the test my knees were still bothering

> me but I thought I had my estradiol to low. Not the case. So

> at that point I thought the 1ml vial were less potent. I

> didnt say anything about my knees at the time because he

> does not treat the estradiol problem.

>

> I was lucky and got refilled with a 10ml vial and that is

> what I have been doing my shots with. Although my my still

> bother me a little I have felt better over all.

>

> New blood work might be in feb and I am going to bring this

> up with the doc then.

>

> Seems to coincidental, but to answer your question, yes I

> think they are less potent. The brand was Paddock Labs.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone switched over and felt like the new vials

> were less potent?

> >

> > Barb

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