Re: Free Testo and Total Teso : physical apperance consequences

[Guest guest]

Research klinefelters Syndrome

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> Hi guys,

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> I'd like to know if free T or Total T is responsible for a " boyish "

appearance.

>

> I'm 29y/o look 20, pale face, long leg ,flabby stomach and soft skin (i can

stretch my skin like an elastic!).

>

> After several research on internet, i found articles about hypogonadism.

> I went to my endocrinolog to have a blood test.

> The results are pretty normal for Total T, E2, SHBG, LH and FSH but very low

for Free T 0.32 n(normal range 0.32 - 1.3).

>

> Can this low Free T is responsible for males caracteristics? I mean.. i have

no facial hair (a few hairs on my chins, no side burn..) but since my total T is

normal, my endocrinolog says that i dont need a treatment, my delayed puberty

may be genetic.

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> How can i have a pretty good Total T level and a low free T level at the same

time?

>

> Is there a way to increase free T naturaly? I've heard about zinc?

>

> PS= I have no sexual problem at all.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

[Guest guest]

Dr.'s have a bad habit of telling men they are fine they are in the normal

range. This is not the case all the time men in the lower end of the range are

in fact sick. Free Testosterone is only 1 to 2% of your Total Testosterone so

the lower this is the less you have. And Estradiol they do the same thing the

ranges from labs go higher most labs are for women if your over 30 pg/ml best at

20 your to high this make SHBG go high and it binds up your Free T SHBG is best

just below mid range.

Can you get a copy of them labs and post them in this thread with the units and

ranges.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Free Testo and Total Teso : physical apperance

consequences

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 6:39 AM

> Hi guys,

>

> I'd like to know if free T or Total T is responsible for a

> " boyish " appearance.

>

> I'm 29y/o look 20, pale face, long leg ,flabby stomach and

> soft skin (i can stretch my skin like an elastic!).

>

> After several research on internet, i found articles about

> hypogonadism.

> I went to my endocrinolog to have a blood test.

> The results are pretty normal for Total T, E2, SHBG, LH and

> FSH but very low for Free T 0.32 n(normal range 0.32 -

> 1.3).

>

> Can this low Free T is responsible for males

> caracteristics? I mean.. i have no facial hair (a few hairs

> on my chins, no side burn..) but since my total T is normal,

> my endocrinolog says that i dont need a treatment, my

> delayed puberty may be genetic.

>

> How can i have a pretty good Total T level and a low free T

> level at the same time?

>

> Is there a way to increase free T naturaly? I've heard

> about zinc?

>

> PS= I have no sexual problem at all.

>

> Thank you very much.

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your help,

These are my results:

Total T: 6.93ng/ml (range: 3.2 -> 9.8)

Thyroxine free (T4L): 10.2 pmol/l (8 -> 21)

FSH: 3 UI/l (1-> 10)

LH: 3.4 UI/l (1->14)

IGF-1: 222 ug/L (96 -> 228)

TSH: 2.74 mUI/l (0.25 -> 5)

SHGB/TEBG: 31.60 nmol/l (13->71)

Free Testosterone: 32.9 pmol/l (31->94)

Testosterone bio-available: 2.32 nmol/l (2->9)

DHT: 1.51 nmol/l (1.13 -> 4.13)

E2 (Oestradiol): 31 ng/l ( <60)

Is Free T responsible for males development such beard, thick skin... cause my

blood test is almost normal except Free and bio-available T?

Can zinc increase it?

Thank you very much

[Guest guest]

Free is unbound Testosteone that your body uses the rest is just there not

working.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Free Testo and Total Teso : physical apperance

consequences

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 12:32 PM

> Thank you for your help,

> These are my results:

>

> Total T: 6.93ng/ml (range: 3.2 -> 9.8)

> Thyroxine free (T4L): 10.2 pmol/l (8 -> 21)

> FSH: 3 UI/l (1-> 10)

> LH: 3.4 UI/l (1->14)

> IGF-1: 222 ug/L (96 -> 228)

> TSH: 2.74 mUI/l (0.25 -> 5)

> SHGB/TEBG: 31.60 nmol/l (13->71)

> Free Testosterone: 32.9 pmol/l (31->94)

> Testosterone bio-available: 2.32 nmol/l (2->9)

> DHT: 1.51 nmol/l (1.13 -> 4.13)

> E2 (Oestradiol): 31 ng/l ( <60)

>

> Is Free T responsible for males development such beard,

> thick skin... cause my blood test is almost normal except

> Free and bio-available T?

>

> Can zinc increase it?

>

> Thank you very much

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Thk you Phil,

Do you think that this low free T could explain my physical appearance?

(lack of facial hair, fat stomach...)? Is free T responsible for male

specifications? or total T?

Since im in the normal range, i dont know what to do, is there a way to increase

my free T level? zinc?

[Guest guest]

I would not go on TRT for your looks it is not fun and it's for life. Some men

don't need to shave everyday or have a lot of hair. What you can do is have all

your hormones checked making sure your mid rage on them. Go to this link and do

the labs in it adding to them Total T3 & T4 for Thyroid. Some times other

hormones are low like Thyroid or Growth Hormones.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=7059

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Free Testo and Total Teso : physical apperance

consequences

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 2:21 PM

> Thk you Phil,

>

> Do you think that this low free T could explain my physical

> appearance?

> (lack of facial hair, fat stomach...)? Is free T

> responsible for male specifications? or total T?

>

> Since im in the normal range, i dont know what to do, is

> there a way to increase my free T level? zinc?

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thk you pmgamer,

That what I thought, TRT is a too heavy treatment for a look problem.

Even If i feel sad because of this boyish attitude, i'm not sure of the result

of a TRT. Howerver i know that i can shrink my testicle, it doesnt worth it.

Do you think zinc could help me to raise my level? Is it a myth?

Thk you again.

[Guest guest]

I don't think it can hurt it will help keep your Estradiol levels lower this

lowers SHBG some and can free up your Free T levels a little. You can start on

50 mgs a day but take 2 mgs of Copper with it Zinc lowers your Copper levels.

Try something like whats in the link.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Free Testo and Total Teso : physical apperance

consequences

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 3:32 PM

> Thk you pmgamer,

>

> That what I thought, TRT is a too heavy treatment for a

> look problem.

> Even If i feel sad because of this boyish attitude, i'm not

> sure of the result of a TRT. Howerver i know that i can

> shrink my testicle, it doesnt worth it.

>

> Do you think zinc could help me to raise my level? Is it a

> myth?

>

> Thk you again.

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Thk you again for your reply,

My endoc told me about gonarophine injection? It stimulates the testiculs and

doesnt replace my natural production.

What do you think about it? Could it be good enough to raise my Free T level

without risk?

[Guest guest]

I have no idea what a gonarophine injection is and doing a search shows nothing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Free Testo and Total Teso : physical apperance

consequences

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 12:57 PM

> Thk you again for your reply,

>

> My endoc told me about gonarophine injection? It stimulates

> the testiculs and doesnt replace my natural production.

> What do you think about it? Could it be good enough to

> raise my Free T level without risk?

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Gonadotrophine Injection.

After a few research, it seems to be know under the name " HCG "

It's not a testosterone Therapy Replacement but a stimulation of the testicls.

Have you ever heard about it?

[Guest guest]

Yes most of us use it I do my self. There are two ways it's used if your

Secondary meaning your Pituitary dose not tell your testis to make Testosterone

men will do about 60 to 100 IU's / day to get there Testosterone levels up. HCG

acts like the message of LH and FSH sent to there testis that tells them to make

more testosterone.

I am Secondary but I feel better doing both Dr. was one of the Dr.'s that

started giving this to his men. You should go to his site and read TRT: A

Recipe for Success and his HCG Update at www.allthingsmale.com.

Even men that are Primary can use it it will keep there testis working the best

they can so they don't get smaller.

Here is a Cut and Paste of a post to me from Dr. to help me get my Dr. to

let me use HCG. After being told for 23 yrs I am Primary meaning my Testis

don't work. I went on HCG 500 IU's 3x's/wk and after the 15th. shot we did labs

and my Total T levels doubled so I am not Primary I am Secondary long story.

Here is the cut and paste.

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He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Free Testo and Total Teso : physical apperance

consequences

>

> Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 10:49 AM

> Gonadotrophine Injection.

> After a few research, it seems to be know under the name

> " HCG "

>

> It's not a testosterone Therapy Replacement but a

> stimulation of the testicls.

> Have you ever heard about it?

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you pmgamer for your interesting answer.

How can i guess if i'm primary or seconday hypo?

These are my results:

Total T: 6.93ng/ml (range: 3.2 -> 9.8)

Thyroxine free (T4L): 10.2 pmol/l (8 -> 21)

FSH: 3 UI/l (1-> 10)

LH: 3.4 UI/l (1->14)

IGF-1: 222 ug/L (96 -> 228)

TSH: 2.74 mUI/l (0.25 -> 5)

SHGB/TEBG: 31.60 nmol/l (13->71)

Free Testosterone: 32.9 pmol/l (31->94)

Testosterone bio-available: 2.32 nmol/l (2->9)

DHT: 1.51 nmol/l (1.13 -> 4.13)

E2 (Oestradiol): 31 ng/l ( <60)

You can note that i have a pretty good total T klevel and howver my free T is

very low... I dont understand it.

[Guest guest]

I can't tell your units are not the same as the USA or the UK. I think your

Total T at 6.93 ng/ml is 693 ng/dL my units. If I am right your not low but

your Free and Bio are low. To get this up try getting your Estradiol levels

down and I can't tell by them units we use pg/ml here. One needs to be at

about 20 pg/ml.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: tinibou@... <tinibou@...>

> Subject: Re: Free Testo and Total Teso : physical apperance

consequences

>

> Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 7:03 AM

> Thank you pmgamer for your

> interesting answer.

>

> How can i guess if i'm primary or seconday hypo?

>

> These are my results:

> Total T: 6.93ng/ml (range: 3.2 -> 9.8)

> Thyroxine free (T4L): 10.2 pmol/l (8 -> 21)

> FSH: 3 UI/l (1-> 10)

> LH: 3.4 UI/l (1->14)

> IGF-1: 222 ug/L (96 -> 228)

> TSH: 2.74 mUI/l (0.25 -> 5)

> SHGB/TEBG: 31.60 nmol/l (13->71)

> Free Testosterone: 32.9 pmol/l (31->94)

> Testosterone bio-available: 2.32 nmol/l (2->9)

> DHT: 1.51 nmol/l (1.13 -> 4.13)

> E2 (Oestradiol): 31 ng/l ( <60)

>

> You can note that i have a pretty good total T klevel and

> howver my free T is very low... I dont understand it.

>

>

>

>

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