Re: Re: Pure Rip with DIM: Three Week Update

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Barb dam good thinking he knows his rhythm now all he needs to do is act on it.

But you can't do the same dose every 5 days. If your doing 100 mgs / wk that is

going to be 66.6666 every 5 days or 60 even 70 mgs every 5 days.

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Phil

> > the first five days after my latest injection are the

> best, then I'm back to having the same sexual side effects

> as before.  I know that's pretty commonplace.  My

> libido has been no better than before and closely follows my

> injection schedule.  This disappoints me, because I was

> looking forward to an improvement in that department. 

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Yes doing shots every two weeks is very old even in the dated.

AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CLINICAL ENDOCRINOLOGISTS

MEDICAL GUIDELINES FOR CLINICAL PRACTICE

FOR THE EVALUATION AND TREATMENT OF HYPOGONADISM

IN ADULT MALE PATIENTS—2002 UPDATE.

On page 11 it states to do shots starting at 100mgs / week keeps one from being

on a roller coaster ride up after the shot only to fall to low by the next one.

These are my words.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Today a lot of Dr.'s are finding doing shots 2x's / week or every 3 days works

great. Dr. Shippen " The Testosterone Syndrome " book dose his shots every 3 days

after I read he does this I got my Dr. to let me do this.

Doing this keeps me more leveled holds down my Estradiol levels and helps keep

my blood thinner.

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Testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate are

long-acting testosterone esters suspended in oil to prolong

absorption. Peak levels occur about 72 hours after intramuscular

injection and are followed by a slow decline during

the subsequent 1 to 2 weeks (49).

For complete androgen replacement, the regimen

should be between 50 and 100 mg of testosterone enanthate

or cypionate administered intramuscularly every 7 to

10 days, which will achieve relatively normal levels of

testosterone throughout the time interval between injections

(50). Longer time intervals are more convenient but

are associated with greater fluctuations in testosterone levels.

Higher doses of testosterone produce longer-term

effects but also higher peak levels and wider swings

between peak and nadir circulating testosterone levels; the

result is fluctuating symptoms in many patients (51).

The use of 100 to 150 mg of testosterone every 2

weeks is a reasonable compromise. Use of 300-mg injections

every 3 weeks is associated with wider fluctuations

of testosterone levels and is generally inadequate to ensure

a consistent clinical response. With use of these longerinterval

regimens, many men will have pronounced symptoms

during the week preceding the next injection. In such

instances, a smaller dose at closer intervals should be tried.

As a guide, testosterone levels should be above the lower

limit of normal, in the range of 250 to 300 ng/dL, just

before the next injection (52). Excessive peak levels and

side effects should also be monitored and used to adjust

the dosing regimens.

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Phil

> From: cabaretic <cabaretic@...>

> Subject: Re: Pure Rip with DIM: Three Week Update

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> Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 5:13 PM

> I inject every two weeks.  I'll

> have to speak to the doctor about changing the time and

> dosage.

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> Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

You would do between 60 to 70 mgs every 5 days the math comes out to 66.6666

mgs. If your doing your own shots this should not be a problem.

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Phil

> From: cabaretic <cabaretic@...>

> Subject: Re: Pure Rip with DIM: Three Week Update

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> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 10:24 AM

> Hmm.  The issue now is going to

> be convincing my doctor to modify the dosage.  I inject

> 1 mL every two weeks.  The bottle says the formulation

> is 200 mg/mL.

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> She will want to look at my testosterone levels to make

> that determination.  I don't expect to know the results

> of lab work for a few more days.  As it stands now, my

> insurance is set up to cover a refill once every 75

> days.  If money were no option, I would purchase it out

> of pocket.  However, for right now, that's not

> possible. 

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> In speaking about testosterone amounts, you use mg, rather

> than mL.  If I am dosing at 1 mL per 14 days, how much

> would I need to inject if I did so every five days? 

> Could I manage it with the current amount of testosterone I

> have already been prescribed?

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> Thanks, all.

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[Guest guest]

, a good strategy is to get the book phil spoke about from the library,

book mark the relevant pages and show.those.to your doc at your next visit.

This way, it's not just heresay on your part but coming from another doc.

On Jan 18, 2011 9:30 AM, " philip georgian " <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

You would do between 60 to 70 mgs every 5 days the math comes out to 66.6666

mgs. If your doing your own shots this should not be a problem.

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Phil

> From: cabaretic <cabaretic@....

> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 10:24 AM

> Hmm. The issue now is going to

> be convincing my doctor to modify the dosage. I inject

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[Guest guest]

He can print it here is the link.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

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Phil

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> > From: cabaretic <cabaretic@....

> > Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 10:24 AM

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> > Hmm.  The issue now is going to

> > be convincing my doctor to modify the dosage.  I

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