night sweats and T cyp injections

[Guest guest]

Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my post. I'm 48 yrs old, work out hard

daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself. That said, last June my Dr.

diagnosed me with low T and started me on Androgel 4 pumps a day. That went

pretty well but because I'm in a household of women last November I asked to

give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for me. Now I know weekly shots

are highly suggested here but for whatever reason he prescribed 250ml every 18

days to be given at his office. Overall I've done well on this regiment and my

test # went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so. What I've noticed however

is that about 10 days in I seem to start getting irritating night sweats. No

other negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise been very pleased with

the positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more lean, more energy) FYI I

also take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well. Would the fluctuation in

T levels caused by waiting 18 days between injections possibly be responsible

for my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much appreciated.

[Guest guest]

I too experience Night Sweats, as well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T injection cycle. no one or Dr

can give an explanation.  I do not know if it is from too high or too low E2

(estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am also in great physical condition. 

Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster than most.

What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

________________________________

From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

Subject: night sweats and T cyp injections

 

Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my post. I'm 48 yrs old, work out hard

daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself. That said, last June my Dr.

diagnosed me with low T and started me on Androgel 4 pumps a day. That went

pretty well but because I'm in a household of women last November I asked to

give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for me. Now I know weekly shots are

highly suggested here but for whatever reason he prescribed 250ml every 18 days

to be given at his office. Overall I've done well on this regiment and my test #

went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so. What I've noticed however is

that about 10 days in I seem to start getting irritating night sweats. No other

negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise been very pleased with the

positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more lean, more energy) FYI I also

take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well. Would the fluctuation in T

levels caused by waiting 18 days between injections possibly be responsible for

my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much appreciated.

[Guest guest]

miguy1962,

Doing shots like this is good for your Dr. he makes money off them and does not

get into trouble with your Heath Care Plain. But not good for you what happens

is your BIG SHOT is going to peak very high at about the 3rd day say 1500 if you

did labs or higher. Then your big shot is going to convert into Estraidol most

of it will. Your doing Zinc and DIM is not enough to slow this down. By your

next shot your levels are going to fall very low so going from 1500 to say 400

is why we feel bad levels going down to low make up feel like crap.

Your night sweats can be from your T levels falling so low of from your

Estraidol levels peaking they peak at night in your sleep. I would wake up in

full Painc Attacks and be socking wet when my Dr. had me on shots every 2 weeks

doing 200 mgs.

In this like and from the AACE Guildelines and this is dated it says on page 11

to do as follows. Today most good Dr. like Shippen he did the book " The

Testosterone Sydrome " in this book and it's dated he was down on shots. Today

he gives his self a shot every 3 days saying this keeps him more leveled and

helps keep his Estradiol levels down and helps keep his blood thinner. Others

do well every week and add in HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each before there next

Test C shot. Doing this keep there testis working and keep there levels up

until the next Test C shot.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

===================================================

Testosterone enanthate and testosterone cypionate are

long-acting testosterone esters suspended in oil to prolong

absorption. Peak levels occur about 72 hours after intramuscular

injection and are followed by a slow decline during

the subsequent 1 to 2 weeks (49).

For complete androgen replacement, the regimen

should be between 50 and 100 mg of testosterone enanthate

or cypionate administered intramuscularly every 7 to

10 days, which will achieve relatively normal levels of

testosterone throughout the time interval between injections

(50). Longer time intervals are more convenient but

are associated with greater fluctuations in testosterone levels.

Higher doses of testosterone produce longer-term

effects but also higher peak levels and wider swings

between peak and nadir circulating testosterone levels; the

result is fluctuating symptoms in many patients (51).

The use of 100 to 150 mg of testosterone every 2

weeks is a reasonable compromise. Use of 300-mg injections

every 3 weeks is associated with wider fluctuations

of testosterone levels and is generally inadequate to ensure

a consistent clinical response. With use of these longerinterval

regimens, many men will have pronounced symptoms

during the week preceding the next injection. In such

instances, a smaller dose at closer intervals should be tried.

As a guide, testosterone levels should be above the lower

limit of normal, in the range of 250 to 300 ng/dL, just

before the next injection (52). Excessive peak levels and

side effects should also be monitored and used to adjust

the dosing regimens.

Co-Moderator

Phil

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

> Subject: night sweats and T cyp injections

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:39 AM

> Hi Guys and thanks in advance for

> reading my post. I'm 48 yrs old, work out hard daily and in

> stellar shape if I say so my myself. That said, last June my

> Dr. diagnosed me with low T and started me on Androgel 4

> pumps a day.  That went pretty well but because I'm in

> a household of women last November I asked to give

> injections a try the Dr. readily did so for me.  Now I

> know weekly shots are highly suggested here but for whatever

> reason he prescribed 250ml every 18 days to be given

> at  his office. Overall I've done well on this regiment

> and my test # went from like 250 to about 400 since doing

> so. What I've noticed however is that about 10 days in I

> seem to start getting irritating night sweats. No other

> negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise been very

> pleased with the positive ones. (better overall feeling,

> much more lean, more energy)  FYI I also take Zinc and

> Dim in low doses on my own as well. Would the fluctuation in

> T levels caused by waiting 18 days between injections

> possibly be responsible for my night sweats? Your thoughts

> are very much appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Working out hard can eat up your T meds faster and eat up your cortisol

levels and if your levels are low at night when your sleeping your sugar can

drop on you making you sweat and even wake you up.

This cut and paste is from this link.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/lifestylefunctional-medicine/hormones/adrenal-fatigue\

/

=================================================

Adrenal insufficiency is linked to insomnia in two ways.

1)If your cortisol drops too low during the night your blood sugar drops too.

Your body compensate by releasing adrenaline as an emergency measure to mobilize

more sugar. This has the effect of waking you in an instant. This can be reduced

by eating high protein snack before retiring e.g. sardines, nuts of high quality

protein shake.

2)In early stages of adrenal fatigue cortisol levels tend to rise and if they

are high at midnight they can energise you and keep you awake. Phosphorylated

serine can be used to lower cortisol at these times due to its ACTH dampening

effect.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

> " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@...>

> Cc:

> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> I too experience Night Sweats, as

> well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T injection

> cycle. no one or Dr

> can give an explanation.  I do not know if it is from too

> high or too low E2

> (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am also in great

> physical condition. 

> Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster than

> most.

>

> What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> Subject: night sweats and T cyp injections

>

>  

> Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my post. I'm 48

> yrs old, work out hard

> daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself. That

> said, last June my Dr.

> diagnosed me with low T and started me on Androgel 4 pumps

> a day. That went

> pretty well but because I'm in a household of women last

> November I asked to

> give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for me. Now I

> know weekly shots are

> highly suggested here but for whatever reason he prescribed

> 250ml every 18 days

> to be given at his office. Overall I've done well on this

> regiment and my test #

> went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so. What I've

> noticed however is

> that about 10 days in I seem to start getting irritating

> night sweats. No other

> negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise been very

> pleased with the

> positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more lean,

> more energy) FYI I also

> take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well. Would the

> fluctuation in T

> levels caused by waiting 18 days between injections

> possibly be responsible for

> my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow and I do wake up in an INSTANT as well. Sometimes sweating and sometimes not

but almost every night. Falling asleep is no problem but at 2 am Im wide awake

up until of course about the the time I reall do need to get up at which point I

get tired again...go figure. So I consume some high protien before bed then?

But I was under the impression that working out actually INCREASED self

procuction of T. No? Thus this may sound elementary but should I back off on the

work outs? (that would be very difficult for me at this stage I'm afraid)

Thanks!!

>

> > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> > Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

> > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@...>

> > Cc:

> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T injection

> > cycle. no one or Dr

> > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it is from too

> > high or too low E2

> > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am also in great

> > physical condition. 

> > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster than

> > most.

> >

> > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

> >

> > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > Subject: night sweats and T cyp injections

> >

> >  

> > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my post. I'm 48

> > yrs old, work out hard

> > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself. That

> > said, last June my Dr.

> > diagnosed me with low T and started me on Androgel 4 pumps

> > a day. That went

> > pretty well but because I'm in a household of women last

> > November I asked to

> > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for me. Now I

> > know weekly shots are

> > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he prescribed

> > 250ml every 18 days

> > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well on this

> > regiment and my test #

> > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so. What I've

> > noticed however is

> > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting irritating

> > night sweats. No other

> > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise been very

> > pleased with the

> > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more lean,

> > more energy) FYI I also

> > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well. Would the

> > fluctuation in T

> > levels caused by waiting 18 days between injections

> > possibly be responsible for

> > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

If you did a search on this you will see exercising to a point will make T

levels higher. But if your over doing it or you have health problems they will

drop. We get young men here over doing it exercising and dieting to get % of

body fat down they end up with a shut down of there brain telling there body to

make a lot of hormones.

As we age we need more time between a muscle work out then the next time.

Between ages 12 to 25 one day off after this 2 then 3 days for the muscle to

recover after all working out breaks the muscle down and it's healing is how it

get bigger and stronger. If you don't give it enough time to heal it stays tore

down. This can have a bad effect on Hormones.

If you sweat or wake up like this yes try and eat some cheese or nuts not a lot

and keep some neare your bed so when you wake up you can eat some. If this

works have your cortisol levels checked out.

If your on TRT yes working out stress, an infection even pain will eat up your

meds.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

> Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 11:57 AM

> Wow and I do wake up in an INSTANT as

> well. Sometimes sweating and sometimes not but almost every

> night. Falling asleep is no problem but at 2 am Im wide

> awake up until of course about the the time I reall do need

> to get up at which point I get tired again...go figure. So I

> consume some high protien before bed then?  But I was

> under the impression that working out actually INCREASED

> self procuction of T. No? Thus this may sound elementary but

> should I back off on the work outs? (that would be very

> difficult for me at this stage I'm afraid)

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

> >

> > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> > > Subject: Re: night sweats and T

> cyp  injections

> > > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@...>

> > > Cc:

> > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T

> injection

> > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it is

> from too

> > > high or too low E2

> > > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am also

> in great

> > > physical condition. 

> > > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster

> than

> > > most.

> > >

> > > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

> > >

> > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > > Subject: night sweats and T cyp

> injections

> > >

> > >  

> > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my

> post. I'm 48

> > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself.

> That

> > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > diagnosed me with low T and started me on

> Androgel 4 pumps

> > > a day. That went

> > > pretty well but because I'm in a household of

> women last

> > > November I asked to

> > > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for

> me. Now I

> > > know weekly shots are

> > > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he

> prescribed

> > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well

> on this

> > > regiment and my test #

> > > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so.

> What I've

> > > noticed however is

> > > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting

> irritating

> > > night sweats. No other

> > > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise

> been very

> > > pleased with the

> > > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more

> lean,

> > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well.

> Would the

> > > fluctuation in T

> > > levels caused by waiting 18 days between

> injections

> > > possibly be responsible for

> > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much

> appreciated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >      

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Phil!!!

> > >

> > > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@>

> > > > Subject: Re: night sweats and T

> > cyp  injections

> > > > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@>

> > > > Cc:

> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > > > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T

> > injection

> > > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it is

> > from too

> > > > high or too low E2

> > > > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am also

> > in great

> > > > physical condition. 

> > > > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster

> > than

> > > > most.

> > > >

> > > > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@>

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > > > Subject: night sweats and T cyp

> > injections

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my

> > post. I'm 48

> > > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself.

> > That

> > > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > > diagnosed me with low T and started me on

> > Androgel 4 pumps

> > > > a day. That went

> > > > pretty well but because I'm in a household of

> > women last

> > > > November I asked to

> > > > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for

> > me. Now I

> > > > know weekly shots are

> > > > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he

> > prescribed

> > > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well

> > on this

> > > > regiment and my test #

> > > > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so.

> > What I've

> > > > noticed however is

> > > > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting

> > irritating

> > > > night sweats. No other

> > > > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise

> > been very

> > > > pleased with the

> > > > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more

> > lean,

> > > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well.

> > Would the

> > > > fluctuation in T

> > > > levels caused by waiting 18 days between

> > injections

> > > > possibly be responsible for

> > > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much

> > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >      

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you.  I do not take HcG any longer because i thought that may have

contributed to the Night Sweats; perhaps going back on HcG may help.  Will the

HcG help lower or increase E2?

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 11:35:10 AM

Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

 

Yes Working out hard can eat up your T meds faster and eat up your cortisol

levels and if your levels are low at night when your sleeping your sugar can

drop on you making you sweat and even wake you up.

This cut and paste is from this link.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/lifestylefunctional-medicine/hormones/adrenal-fatigue\

/

=================================================

Adrenal insufficiency is linked to insomnia in two ways.

1)If your cortisol drops too low during the night your blood sugar drops too.

Your body compensate by releasing adrenaline as an emergency measure to mobilize

more sugar. This has the effect of waking you in an instant. This can be reduced

by eating high protein snack before retiring e.g. sardines, nuts of high quality

protein shake.

2)In early stages of adrenal fatigue cortisol levels tend to rise and if they

are high at midnight they can energise you and keep you awake. Phosphorylated

serine can be used to lower cortisol at these times due to its ACTH dampening

effect.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

> " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@...>

> Cc:

> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> I too experience Night Sweats, as

> well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T injection

> cycle. no one or Dr

> can give an explanation.  I do not know if it is from too

> high or too low E2

> (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am also in great

> physical condition. 

> Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster than

> most.

>

> What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> Subject: night sweats and T cyp injections

>

>  

> Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my post. I'm 48

> yrs old, work out hard

> daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself. That

> said, last June my Dr.

> diagnosed me with low T and started me on Androgel 4 pumps

> a day. That went

> pretty well but because I'm in a household of women last

> November I asked to

> give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for me. Now I

> know weekly shots are

> highly suggested here but for whatever reason he prescribed

> 250ml every 18 days

> to be given at his office. Overall I've done well on this

> regiment and my test #

> went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so. What I've

> noticed however is

> that about 10 days in I seem to start getting irritating

> night sweats. No other

> negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise been very

> pleased with the

> positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more lean,

> more energy) FYI I also

> take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well. Would the

> fluctuation in T

> levels caused by waiting 18 days between injections

> possibly be responsible for

> my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

HCG can up your Estradiol levels if your doing too much. If on shots once a

week do 250 IU's the 2 days each before your next Test C shot. I doing shots 2

or more x's / week then do 250 IU's the day before the shot. If on gels or

creams do 250 IU's every 3 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> > Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp

> injections

> > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@...>

> > Cc:

> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T

> injection

> > cycle. no one or Dr

> > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it is from

> too

> > high or too low E2

> > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am also in

> great

> > physical condition. 

> > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster

> than

> > most.

> >

> > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

> >

> > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > Subject: night sweats and T cyp

> injections

> >

> >  

> > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my post. I'm

> 48

> > yrs old, work out hard

> > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself.

> That

> > said, last June my Dr.

> > diagnosed me with low T and started me on Androgel 4

> pumps

> > a day. That went

> > pretty well but because I'm in a household of women

> last

> > November I asked to

> > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for me.

> Now I

> > know weekly shots are

> > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he

> prescribed

> > 250ml every 18 days

> > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well on

> this

> > regiment and my test #

> > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so. What

> I've

> > noticed however is

> > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting

> irritating

> > night sweats. No other

> > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise been

> very

> > pleased with the

> > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more

> lean,

> > more energy) FYI I also

> > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well.

> Would the

> > fluctuation in T

> > levels caused by waiting 18 days between injections

> > possibly be responsible for

> > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much

> appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

reduce dosages by 50% on HCG. We are not using it to increase testosterone, but

to keep lh receptors alive. I tell patients to start slow and measure reponse.

You want to get balls larger with out e2 increase.

>

> > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> > Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

> > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@...>

> > Cc:

> > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T injection

> > cycle. no one or Dr

> > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it is from too

> > high or too low E2

> > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am also in great

> > physical condition. 

> > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster than

> > most.

> >

> > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

> >

> > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > Subject: night sweats and T cyp injections

> >

> >  

> > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my post. I'm 48

> > yrs old, work out hard

> > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself. That

> > said, last June my Dr.

> > diagnosed me with low T and started me on Androgel 4 pumps

> > a day. That went

> > pretty well but because I'm in a household of women last

> > November I asked to

> > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for me. Now I

> > know weekly shots are

> > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he prescribed

> > 250ml every 18 days

> > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well on this

> > regiment and my test #

> > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so. What I've

> > noticed however is

> > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting irritating

> > night sweats. No other

> > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise been very

> > pleased with the

> > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more lean,

> > more energy) FYI I also

> > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well. Would the

> > fluctuation in T

> > levels caused by waiting 18 days between injections

> > possibly be responsible for

> > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much appreciated.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >      

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hard I lowered my HCG dose on my last shot from 250 to 150 and I felt much

better. And I lowered my Test C shot from 100 mgs every 3 days to 80 mgs I am

just tired of all this conversion into E2. I went back on the Preg. cream 15

mgs yesterday putting it on the side of my belly. I did this in the morning

that night in bed I put my hand on the area and it felt hot strange.

I am trying to see if what chilln says is going to help get my Cortisol levels

higher slowing down the conversion of T to E2. What what he says the Cortisol

will go up from the conversion of the Preg into it not from Adrenals.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

>

> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 8:34 AM

> reduce dosages by 50% on HCG. We are

> not using it to increase testosterone, but to keep lh

> receptors alive. I tell patients to start slow and measure

> reponse. You want to get balls larger with out e2 increase.

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

> > > Subject: Re: night sweats and T

> cyp injections

> > > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@...>

> > > Cc:

> > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T

> injection

> > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it

> is from too

> > > high or too low E2

> > > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am

> also in great

> > > physical condition. 

> > > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster

> than

> > > most.

> > >

> > > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@...>

> > >

> > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > > Subject: night sweats and T cyp

> injections

> > >

> > >  

> > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my

> post. I'm 48

> > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself.

> That

> > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > diagnosed me with low T and started me on

> Androgel 4 pumps

> > > a day. That went

> > > pretty well but because I'm in a household of

> women last

> > > November I asked to

> > > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for

> me. Now I

> > > know weekly shots are

> > > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he

> prescribed

> > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well

> on this

> > > regiment and my test #

> > > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so.

> What I've

> > > noticed however is

> > > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting

> irritating

> > > night sweats. No other

> > > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise

> been very

> > > pleased with the

> > > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more

> lean,

> > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well.

> Would the

> > > fluctuation in T

> > > levels caused by waiting 18 days between

> injections

> > > possibly be responsible for

> > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much

> appreciated.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >      

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Remember lower HCG may actually perseve your cortisol resevoir as well and drop

your e2. Just keep an eye on your nuts to see if they shrink then you are on too

little HCG. I think I am on to something where every one was using hcg to kick

up T in HRT, but not looking at the true meaning of perserving LH receptor. If

people want to add more testosterone take higher dose of test not hcg.

> > >

> > > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@>

> > > > Subject: Re: night sweats and T

> > cyp injections

> > > > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@>

> > > > Cc:

> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > > > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T

> > injection

> > > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it

> > is from too

> > > > high or too low E2

> > > > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am

> > also in great

> > > > physical condition. 

> > > > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster

> > than

> > > > most.

> > > >

> > > > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@>

> > > >

> > > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > > > Subject: night sweats and T cyp

> > injections

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my

> > post. I'm 48

> > > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself.

> > That

> > > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > > diagnosed me with low T and started me on

> > Androgel 4 pumps

> > > > a day. That went

> > > > pretty well but because I'm in a household of

> > women last

> > > > November I asked to

> > > > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for

> > me. Now I

> > > > know weekly shots are

> > > > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he

> > prescribed

> > > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well

> > on this

> > > > regiment and my test #

> > > > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so.

> > What I've

> > > > noticed however is

> > > > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting

> > irritating

> > > > night sweats. No other

> > > > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise

> > been very

> > > > pleased with the

> > > > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more

> > lean,

> > > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well.

> > Would the

> > > > fluctuation in T

> > > > levels caused by waiting 18 days between

> > injections

> > > > possibly be responsible for

> > > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much

> > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >      

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Once I get my hormones stablizes with T and e2 for 8 weeks then I may addin hcg

100 ius twice weekly hold that to see if my nuts increase in size then retest in

3 weeks.

> > > >

> > > > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@>

> > > > > Subject: Re: night sweats and T

> > > cyp injections

> > > > > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@>

> > > > > Cc:

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > > > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > > > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > > > > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T

> > > injection

> > > > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > > > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it

> > > is from too

> > > > > high or too low E2

> > > > > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am

> > > also in great

> > > > > physical condition. 

> > > > > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster

> > > than

> > > > > most.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > > > > Subject: night sweats and T cyp

> > > injections

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my

> > > post. I'm 48

> > > > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > > > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself.

> > > That

> > > > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > > > diagnosed me with low T and started me on

> > > Androgel 4 pumps

> > > > > a day. That went

> > > > > pretty well but because I'm in a household of

> > > women last

> > > > > November I asked to

> > > > > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for

> > > me. Now I

> > > > > know weekly shots are

> > > > > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he

> > > prescribed

> > > > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > > > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well

> > > on this

> > > > > regiment and my test #

> > > > > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so.

> > > What I've

> > > > > noticed however is

> > > > > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting

> > > irritating

> > > > > night sweats. No other

> > > > > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise

> > > been very

> > > > > pleased with the

> > > > > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more

> > > lean,

> > > > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well.

> > > Would the

> > > > > fluctuation in T

> > > > > levels caused by waiting 18 days between

> > > injections

> > > > > possibly be responsible for

> > > > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much

> > > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >      

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes I agree on this HCG will for me will make a lot of T in higher dose's but it

also makes a lot of E2.

I went back over my labs going back 2 yrs. checking my E2 levels with my SHBG.

I was trying to see if my muscle pain might not be from driving my E2 down to

low. I went over 13 labs my SHBG was between 19 to 22 one time my E2 was down

to 7 I made the mistake of taking my dose of Arimidex the morning of my labs.

All the rest of the time my levels were between 20 to 29 just one test was 17.

I don't feel my muscle problems are from low E2.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

>

> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:33 AM

> Remember lower HCG may actually

> perseve your cortisol resevoir as well and drop your e2.

> Just keep an eye on your nuts to see if they shrink then you

> are on too little HCG. I think I am on to something where

> every one was using hcg to kick up T in HRT, but not looking

> at the true meaning of perserving LH receptor. If people

> want to add more testosterone take higher dose of test not

> hcg.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@>

> > > > > Subject: Re: night

> sweats and T

> > > cyp injections

> > > > > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@>

> > > > > Cc:

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011,

> 10:37 AM

> > > > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > > > well as a friend also on TRT.  We

> think that

> > > > > the Night Swears occur closer to the

> end of our T

> > > injection

> > > > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > > > can give an explanation.  I do not

> know if it

> > > is from too

> > > > > high or too low E2

> > > > > (estradiol).  I work out very hard

> and I am

> > > also in great

> > > > > physical condition. 

> > > > > Perhaps those that work out use up

> their T faster

> > > than

> > > > > most.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are your thoughts on this 

> possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > > > > Subject: night sweats

> and T cyp

> > > injections

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for

> reading my

> > > post. I'm 48

> > > > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > > > daily and in stellar shape if I say so

> my myself.

> > > That

> > > > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > > > diagnosed me with low T and started me

> on

> > > Androgel 4 pumps

> > > > > a day. That went

> > > > > pretty well but because I'm in a

> household of

> > > women last

> > > > > November I asked to

> > > > > give injections a try the Dr. readily

> did so for

> > > me. Now I

> > > > > know weekly shots are

> > > > > highly suggested here but for whatever

> reason he

> > > prescribed

> > > > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > > > to be given at his office. Overall I've

> done well

> > > on this

> > > > > regiment and my test #

> > > > > went from like 250 to about 400 since

> doing so.

> > > What I've

> > > > > noticed however is

> > > > > that about 10 days in I seem to start

> getting

> > > irritating

> > > > > night sweats. No other

> > > > > negative side effects and in fact I've

> otherwise

> > > been very

> > > > > pleased with the

> > > > > positive ones. (better overall feeling,

> much more

> > > lean,

> > > > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my

> own as well.

> > > Would the

> > > > > fluctuation in T

> > > > > levels caused by waiting 18 days

> between

> > > injections

> > > > > possibly be responsible for

> > > > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very

> much

> > > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >      

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Well I am doing this in stages I am going to low my dose until my next set of

labs. Still I wonder why my skin was hot last night where I put the Preg. cream

on that morning.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

>

> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 11:35 AM

> Once I get my hormones stablizes with

> T and e2 for 8 weeks then I may addin hcg 100 ius twice

> weekly hold that to see if my nuts increase in size then

> retest in 3 weeks.

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: greg vitiello

> <cupid1017@>

> > > > > > Subject: Re: night

> sweats and T

> > > > cyp injections

> > > > > > " miguy1962 "

> <miguy1962@>

> > > > > > Cc:

> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011,

> 10:37 AM

> > > > > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > > > > well as a friend also on TRT. 

> We think that

> > > > > > the Night Swears occur closer to

> the end of our T

> > > > injection

> > > > > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > > > > can give an explanation.  I do

> not know if it

> > > > is from too

> > > > > > high or too low E2

> > > > > > (estradiol).  I work out very

> hard and I am

> > > > also in great

> > > > > > physical condition. 

> > > > > > Perhaps those that work out use up

> their T faster

> > > > than

> > > > > > most.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are your thoughts on this 

> possibility?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > From: miguy1962

> <miguy1962@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011

> 8:39:44 AM

> > > > > > Subject: night

> sweats and T cyp

> > > > injections

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for

> reading my

> > > > post. I'm 48

> > > > > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > > > > daily and in stellar shape if I

> say so my myself.

> > > > That

> > > > > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > > > > diagnosed me with low T and

> started me on

> > > > Androgel 4 pumps

> > > > > > a day. That went

> > > > > > pretty well but because I'm in a

> household of

> > > > women last

> > > > > > November I asked to

> > > > > > give injections a try the Dr.

> readily did so for

> > > > me. Now I

> > > > > > know weekly shots are

> > > > > > highly suggested here but for

> whatever reason he

> > > > prescribed

> > > > > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > > > > to be given at his office. Overall

> I've done well

> > > > on this

> > > > > > regiment and my test #

> > > > > > went from like 250 to about 400

> since doing so.

> > > > What I've

> > > > > > noticed however is

> > > > > > that about 10 days in I seem to

> start getting

> > > > irritating

> > > > > > night sweats. No other

> > > > > > negative side effects and in fact

> I've otherwise

> > > > been very

> > > > > > pleased with the

> > > > > > positive ones. (better overall

> feeling, much more

> > > > lean,

> > > > > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > > > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on

> my own as well.

> > > > Would the

> > > > > > fluctuation in T

> > > > > > levels caused by waiting 18 days

> between

> > > > injections

> > > > > > possibly be responsible for

> > > > > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are

> very much

> > > > appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >      

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Does taking a smaller T injection (50mg)  2xs weekly better than a larger dose

(100mg) for lower PSA levels?  Been on TRT injections for 10 months and PSA

was

at 0.7 now at 2.0.

This is concerning my URO Dr.  waiting for lab results from last week for the

endo.

Will HcG help is used correctly?  I do not currently take HcG and have not

since

July.

________________________________

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 11:35:10 AM

Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

 

Once I get my hormones stablizes with T and e2 for 8 weeks then I may addin hcg

100 ius twice weekly hold that to see if my nuts increase in size then retest in

3 weeks.

> > > >

> > > > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@>

> > > > > Subject: Re: night sweats and T

> > > cyp injections

> > > > > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@>

> > > > > Cc:

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > > > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > > > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > > > > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T

> > > injection

> > > > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > > > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it

> > > is from too

> > > > > high or too low E2

> > > > > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am

> > > also in great

> > > > > physical condition. 

> > > > > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster

> > > than

> > > > > most.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > > > > Subject: night sweats and T cyp

> > > injections

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my

> > > post. I'm 48

> > > > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > > > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself.

> > > That

> > > > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > > > diagnosed me with low T and started me on

> > > Androgel 4 pumps

> > > > > a day. That went

> > > > > pretty well but because I'm in a household of

> > > women last

> > > > > November I asked to

> > > > > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for

> > > me. Now I

> > > > > know weekly shots are

> > > > > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he

> > > prescribed

> > > > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > > > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well

> > > on this

> > > > > regiment and my test #

> > > > > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so.

> > > What I've

> > > > > noticed however is

> > > > > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting

> > > irritating

> > > > > night sweats. No other

> > > > > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise

> > > been very

> > > > > pleased with the

> > > > > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more

> > > lean,

> > > > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well.

> > > Would the

> > > > > fluctuation in T

> > > > > levels caused by waiting 18 days between

> > > injections

> > > > > possibly be responsible for

> > > > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much

> > > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >      

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hey Greg - my experience is that PSA is somewhat driven by E2 levels. You may

notice when you are taking 1 large shot a week that you may also have BPH

(enlarged prostate) symptoms also like trouble urinating and frequent urination.

PSA results respond to the amount of swelling of the prostate so while enlarged

can give larger PSA numbers. A value of 2 for someone on TRT is not out of line.

I have less prostate issues doing 2 shots a week which does control our E2

conversion.

 

Just my opinion - Arkansas

From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@...>

Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:01 PM

 

Does taking a smaller T injection (50mg)  2xs weekly better than a larger dose

(100mg) for lower PSA levels?  Been on TRT injections for 10 months and PSA

was

at 0.7 now at 2.0.

This is concerning my URO Dr.  waiting for lab results from last week for the

endo.

Will HcG help is used correctly?  I do not currently take HcG and have not

since

July.

________________________________

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 11:35:10 AM

Subject: Re: night sweats and T cyp injections

 

Once I get my hormones stablizes with T and e2 for 8 weeks then I may addin hcg

100 ius twice weekly hold that to see if my nuts increase in size then retest in

3 weeks.

> > > >

> > > > > From: greg vitiello <cupid1017@>

> > > > > Subject: Re: night sweats and T

> > > cyp injections

> > > > > " miguy1962 " <miguy1962@>

> > > > > Cc:

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 10:37 AM

> > > > > I too experience Night Sweats, as

> > > > > well as a friend also on TRT.  We think that

> > > > > the Night Swears occur closer to the end of our T

> > > injection

> > > > > cycle. no one or Dr

> > > > > can give an explanation.  I do not know if it

> > > is from too

> > > > > high or too low E2

> > > > > (estradiol).  I work out very hard and I am

> > > also in great

> > > > > physical condition. 

> > > > > Perhaps those that work out use up their T faster

> > > than

> > > > > most.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are your thoughts on this  possibility?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > From: miguy1962 <miguy1962@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sent: Wed, January 19, 2011 8:39:44 AM

> > > > > Subject: night sweats and T cyp

> > > injections

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Hi Guys and thanks in advance for reading my

> > > post. I'm 48

> > > > > yrs old, work out hard

> > > > > daily and in stellar shape if I say so my myself.

> > > That

> > > > > said, last June my Dr.

> > > > > diagnosed me with low T and started me on

> > > Androgel 4 pumps

> > > > > a day. That went

> > > > > pretty well but because I'm in a household of

> > > women last

> > > > > November I asked to

> > > > > give injections a try the Dr. readily did so for

> > > me. Now I

> > > > > know weekly shots are

> > > > > highly suggested here but for whatever reason he

> > > prescribed

> > > > > 250ml every 18 days

> > > > > to be given at his office. Overall I've done well

> > > on this

> > > > > regiment and my test #

> > > > > went from like 250 to about 400 since doing so.

> > > What I've

> > > > > noticed however is

> > > > > that about 10 days in I seem to start getting

> > > irritating

> > > > > night sweats. No other

> > > > > negative side effects and in fact I've otherwise

> > > been very

> > > > > pleased with the

> > > > > positive ones. (better overall feeling, much more

> > > lean,

> > > > > more energy) FYI I also

> > > > > take Zinc and Dim in low doses on my own as well.

> > > Would the

> > > > > fluctuation in T

> > > > > levels caused by waiting 18 days between

> > > injections

> > > > > possibly be responsible for

> > > > > my night sweats? Your thoughts are very much

> > > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >      

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >