Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 So you just skip the gel the morning you do the blood draw? See, Hertoghe tells his patients to do it this way, very strictly: The last 3 nights before the blood draw, apply the gel in the evening instead of in the morning. I don't know why he says this, but it could be because then you'll have your body produce less tesosterone in the morning when it feels you apply the gel in the evening for 3 nights in a row. Anyway. The next morning, go draw the blood. People never apply the gel to the arm where you draw blood, at least not in my experience. I apply my gel to my shoulders. I am on 30 mg Zinc daily. Will this be enough to lower Estradiol? Thanks for your support, Phil! It means a lot to me! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Latest > bloodwork! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 6:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â I had the same problem with > ejaculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > volume after being on TRT for a while. It > was > > > also > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thick. I am not sure if all men on TRT have > the > > > same > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a side effect or not. I found some > > > information > > > > > > > about it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and decided to try taking ALA/ALC and it > really > > > > > > > helped. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It took about a whole months supply before > I > > > noticed > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference but it did work for me. The > volume > > > and > > > > > > > viscosity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say are normal now and seems to > improve > > > as > > > > > > > time goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by. I only had to take 1050mg/450mg of this > brand > > > http://www.vitabase.com/supplements/antioxidants/ala-alcvita.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to see results, some might have to take > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am on T-Cyp shots so I cant help you out > on > > > the > > > > > > > cream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other than this. I thought I was going to > lose > > > my > > > > > > > insurance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last year. I found this online http://www.hormonesolutions.com.au/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a cream that is applied to the scrotum > and > > > it s > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 tube last 7 -14 weeks @ $100 a tube, > depending > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dose. I dont know anything about the product > and > > > never > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. I was just looking for alternatives in > case > > > I > > > > > > > didnt have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insurance and it looked like a good option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to get control of the estradiol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, it take time to get it all > figuered > > > out. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group helped me out a lot. Without it, I > wouldnt > > > have > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about e2, HCG, ejaculate differences and > more. I > > > am > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking and learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use " Liposomal 10% testosterone gel " > which > > > I > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is compounded, but it's extremely expensive. > I > > > usually > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $400 USD for 2 containers. They last like... > I > > > don't > > > > > > > know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4-6 weeks each? I am not sure. But anyway... > How > > > can > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mix it wrong when they specialize in this, > and > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks so professional? And it's so > expensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it dangerous to have a high > estradiol? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And why do I feel my testicles getting > > > smaller > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being on testosteorne gel since May? I also > > > notice I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about 70% less ejaculate. I mean, shouldn't > the > > > gel > > > > > > > improve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my health rather than making it worse? I > never > > > had > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems with erections, and my testis > always had > > > a > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > size, and I always had a lot of ejaculate. > I > > > don't > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I will read about DIM. But it seems to me like I am going to take more and more pills. I don't like it... :-( My ALAT is going up.. Can it be form taking too many vitmains, minerals, hormone replacements? I am on 30 mg Zinc daily. Yes, I know about the Copper. I just bought it. Too low copper makes iron not absorb too. > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > Subject: Re: Latest bloodwork! > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 6:08 AM > Phil, > That life extension article made me worried, cause I > believe this is what's happening to me.. Lower T and higher > E1 & E2.. My doc is on a vacation for all of August, > so.. I can't get him to help me til sometime in early > September. What do I do? > Wuold increasing DHEA help? I took 35 mg daily, then quit, > then lowered the dose to 35 mg every other day which is the > dose I am on now. > > > > Â Â Â > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Well I am not going to say this Dr. is wrong he is one of the best. I do know when your on TRT doing gels, creams, pellets or shots of Testosterone your brain sees this in your blood and slows way down tell your Testis to make it. But as I tell everyone I am not a Dr. and do what your Dr. tells you if I feel he is not up on this I will say so and tell you to find a better Dr. No 30mgs is not much Zinc and you would only lower Estradiol a little doing more. Men that are on TRT need to do Zinc it's good for your testis still they need something to get higher levels of Estradiol down. Zinc might help if your not to high. Here in the USA we take Arimidex or Indolplex/DIM to help keep Estradiol levels down. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Latest > > > bloodwork! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, July 30, 2010, 6:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I had the same problem with > > > ejaculate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > volume after being on TRT for a while. > It > > > was > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thick. I am not sure if all men on TRT > have > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a side effect or not. I found some > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and decided to try taking ALA/ALC and > it > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helped. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It took about a whole months supply > before > > > I > > > > > > > noticed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference but it did work for me. The > > > volume > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > viscosity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say are normal now and seems > to > > > improve > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by. I only had to take 1050mg/450mg of > this > > > brand > > > > > > > http://www.vitabase.com/supplements/antioxidants/ala-alcvita.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to see results, some might have to > take > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am on T-Cyp shots so I cant help you > out > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cream > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other than this. I thought I was going > to > > > lose > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insurance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last year. I found this online http://www.hormonesolutions.com.au/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a cream that is applied to the > scrotum > > > and > > > > > > > it s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 tube last 7 -14 weeks @ $100 a tube, > > > depending > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dose. I dont know anything about the > product > > > and > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. I was just looking for alternatives > in > > > case > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > didnt have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insurance and it looked like a good > option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to get control of the > estradiol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, it take time to get it all > > > figuered > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group helped me out a lot. Without it, > I > > > wouldnt > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about e2, HCG, ejaculate differences > and > > > more. I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looking and learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use " Liposomal 10% testosterone > gel " > > > which > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is compounded, but it's extremely > expensive. > > > I > > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $400 USD for 2 containers. They last > like... > > > I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4-6 weeks each? I am not sure. But > anyway... > > > How > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mix it wrong when they specialize in > this, > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks so professional? And it's so > > > expensive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it dangerous to have a high > > > estradiol? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And why do I feel my testicles > getting > > > > > > > smaller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being on testosteorne gel since May? I > also > > > > > > > notice I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about 70% less ejaculate. I mean, > shouldn't > > > the > > > > > > > gel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my health rather than making it worse? > I > > > never > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems with erections, and my testis > > > always had > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > size, and I always had a lot of > ejaculate. > > > I > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 ALAT has to do with liver function did you have any problems before might be a lab error. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Latest bloodwork! > > > > > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 6:08 AM > > > Phil, > > > That life extension article made me worried, cause I > > > believe this is what's happening to me.. Lower T and > higher > > > E1 & E2.. My doc is on a vacation for all of > August, > > > so.. I can't get him to help me til sometime in early > > > September. What do I do? > > > Wuold increasing DHEA help? I took 35 mg daily, then > quit, > > > then lowered the dose to 35 mg every other day which > is the > > > dose I am on now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Being Hypo caused the liver to detoriate. I had excellent ALAT labs while on T4/T3 and only that, for 10 years - 1997 to 2007. All labs for worse as the Endos weened me down on the thyroid meds. Can you tell me which, and how much, vits, mins and other stuff you take? Sendt fra min iPhone Den 4. aug. 2010 kl. 19.57 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: ALAT has to do with liver function did you have any problems before might be a lab error. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > Subject: Re: Latest bloodwork! > > > > > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 6:08 AM > > > Phil, > > > That life extension article made me worried, cause I > > > believe this is what's happening to me.. Lower T and > higher > > > E1 & E2.. My doc is on a vacation for all of > August, > > > so.. I can't get him to help me til sometime in early > > > September. What do I do? > > > Wuold increasing DHEA help? I took 35 mg daily, then > quit, > > > then lowered the dose to 35 mg every other day which > is the > > > dose I am on now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Sure most of what I take are for my Heart. Supplements •Ferrous Fumarate Iron pills 324 mgs 2x’s/day morning and dinner. •Lovaza 1gm. 1x/day Fish Oil. •TMG 750mg 1pm and 11pm 2 pills a day. •Solary Super Bio C 2 x’s/day 1000 mgs. Total. •l-Arginine and l-Orthinine 100 Capsules, 750 mg, Twinlab 1 at bedtime. •NOW brand ZMA 800mgs 3 at bedtime. •Copper 2mgs 1 at noon. •Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients 3/day. •Maca. 1 tsp in the moning and 1 tsp at noon. •Biotics Bio-D-Mulsion Forte Vit. D 2000 IU's per drop I am doing 10 drops a day. •Iodoral Iodine 1 tab / day 12.5 mgs. •I went with NOW brand for the following supplements do to a high levels on a Homocysteine Cardiovascular and below normal level of Folate RBC labs. •NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine, Selenium, Molybdenum - 600 mg. •B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week. •Coenzyme B Complex. •P-5-P (Coenzyme B6) 50 mg. •I am taking 800 mcg. Folacal for low Folate RBC. •BioCitrate Selenium - 200 mcg 1x’s / day morning. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > Subject: Re: Latest bloodwork! > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 6:08 AM > > > > > Phil, > > > > > That life extension article made me worried, > cause I > > > > > believe this is what's happening to me.. Lower T > and > > higher > > > > > E1 & E2.. My doc is on a vacation for all of > > August, > > > > > so.. I can't get him to help me til sometime in > early > > > > > September. What do I do? > > > > > Wuold increasing DHEA help? I took 35 mg daily, > then > > quit, > > > > > then lowered the dose to 35 mg every other day > which > > is the > > > > > dose I am on now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >     > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Nice list you got there. I am taking: American Health Ester-C 5000 mg Solaray Selenium 200 mcg Solgar B-Complex " 100 " Solgar Zinc Citrate 30 mg Labs Amino Vit-A 100.000 iu Labs Amino-Mag 200 mg Now Foods Vitamin D3 2000 iu Now Foods Vitamin K2 100 mcg Now Foods Vitamin E-400 New Chapter WholeMega 2000 mg Teofarma Ferrograd 525 mg Ferrous Sulfate Iron (100 mg elemental iron) Natural Factors Chromium 100 mg & Vanadium 25 mg Do I need anything else? And..... Does anyone here know if I am creating a disbalance here? I added Chromium today. I think I need to add Copper too, because I take so much Vitamin C and Zinc which both lowers Copper which again stops Iron uptake. Sendt fra min iPhone Den 4. aug. 2010 kl. 22.27 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>: Sure most of what I take are for my Heart. Supplements •Ferrous Fumarate Iron pills 324 mgs 2x’s/day morning and dinner. •Lovaza 1gm. 1x/day Fish Oil. •TMG 750mg 1pm and 11pm 2 pills a day. •Solary Super Bio C 2 x’s/day 1000 mgs. Total. •l-Arginine and l-Orthinine 100 Capsules, 750 mg, Twinlab 1 at bedtime. •NOW brand ZMA 800mgs 3 at bedtime. •Copper 2mgs 1 at noon. •Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients 3/day. •Maca. 1 tsp in the moning and 1 tsp at noon. •Biotics Bio-D-Mulsion Forte Vit. D 2000 IU's per drop I am doing 10 drops a day. •Iodoral Iodine 1 tab / day 12.5 mgs. •I went with NOW brand for the following supplements do to a high levels on a Homocysteine Cardiovascular and below normal level of Folate RBC labs. •NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine, Selenium, Molybdenum - 600 mg. •B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week. •Coenzyme B Complex. •P-5-P (Coenzyme B6) 50 mg. •I am taking 800 mcg. Folacal for low Folate RBC. •BioCitrate Selenium - 200 mcg 1x’s / day morning. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > Subject: Re: Latest bloodwork! > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 6:08 AM > > > > > Phil, > > > > > That life extension article made me worried, > cause I > > > > > believe this is what's happening to me.. Lower T > and > > higher > > > > > E1 & E2.. My doc is on a vacation for all of > > August, > > > > > so.. I can't get him to help me til sometime in > early > > > > > September. What do I do? > > > > > Wuold increasing DHEA help? I took 35 mg daily, > then > > quit, > > > > > then lowered the dose to 35 mg every other day > which > > is the > > > > > dose I am on now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 I stopped taking Zinc only and went with ZMA plus I get zinc in my Mult-Vit. But yes add in some Copper. I like the Maca it helps me keep leveled I mix it with apple sauce in the morning and in yogurt at noon I buy it by the pound. http://www.macaweb.com/ Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Latest > bloodwork! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 6:08 AM > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > > > > That life extension article made me > worried, > > cause I > > > > > > > believe this is what's happening to me.. > Lower T > > and > > > higher > > > > > > > E1 & E2.. My doc is on a vacation for > all of > > > August, > > > > > > > so.. I can't get him to help me til sometime > in > > early > > > > > > > September. What do I do? > > > > > > > Wuold increasing DHEA help? I took 35 mg > daily, > > then > > > quit, > > > > > > > then lowered the dose to 35 mg every other > day > > which > > > is the > > > > > > > dose I am on now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Â Â Â Â Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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