Re: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

[Guest guest]

Joe how long are you going to wait until you next shot doing 200 mgs is a dam

big shot and can cause problems with high Estradiol. Some Dr.'s to many tell

men to do 200 mgs every 2 weeks this is old and dose not work well. Try doing

100 mgs / week if your doing 200 mgs / week you would be better off doing them

80 mgs every 3 days this keeps Estradiol levels down and keep one leveled if

your the type of man that eats up the T as fast as you take it. If your not

this type of man why your you doing such a big shot. Men need to start with

100mgs and do labs every 8 weeks going up on the dose if needed. Most go by how

they feel and try to get there levels up onto the upper 1/3 of there labs range.

As for DHEA it converts into Estradiol is your body dose not need it. I was on

it for yrs. only because levels were in the low end of the range. I never felt

anything on it. I don't do it any more treating my Adrenals my levels came back

up don't need it.

I am 66 leveled off on all my hormones and I have night time and morning wood

every night. My libido is great if you don't have night time and morning wood

have your Estradiol levels checked if your high say over 30 pg/ml best levels

are 20 get back with us on how to get this down. Being on TRT with high levels

of Estradiol it will hold you back from feeling better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ph <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

>

> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 9:44 PM

> Hi,

>

> I got some DHEA cream that has 15 mg per pump and am taking

> 15 mg daily if I can handle it. I used to have trouble with

> 10 mg of oral DHEA, but did OK with 5 mg.

>

> I took a Testosterone shot yesterday [200 mg]. I hadn't

> taken one in maybe two months, because I didn't think they

> did anything for me, but maybe I should have taken it anyway

> because I'm low in T and DHEA.

>

> Does DHEA typically improve energy? How about Testosterone

> shots in a 59 year old male?

>

> Thank you.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

What do you mean by " night time and morning wood " ?

I was first told to take one 200 mg T shot once a month. Then, a lady MD I saw

wanted me to take one 100 mg T shot every week but I didn't feel like bothering

with it, but I began to feel lousy after going 2 or 3 months with no T shots.

The T shots had played more of a part in my Mercury Chelation than I used to

believe.

So, do you think a 100 mg T shot twice a month might work out good for me?

I guess I better hold off on the DHEA until I know where I'm at.

Are Canary Club saliva tests a good way to check Estradiol?

Thank you for replying.

Joe R.

>

> Joe how long are you going to wait until you next shot doing 200 mgs is a dam

big shot and can cause problems with high Estradiol. Some Dr.'s to many tell

men to do 200 mgs every 2 weeks this is old and dose not work well. Try doing

100 mgs / week if your doing 200 mgs / week you would be better off doing them

80 mgs every 3 days this keeps Estradiol levels down and keep one leveled if

your the type of man that eats up the T as fast as you take it. If your not

this type of man why your you doing such a big shot. Men need to start with

100mgs and do labs every 8 weeks going up on the dose if needed. Most go by how

they feel and try to get there levels up onto the upper 1/3 of there labs range.

>

> As for DHEA it converts into Estradiol is your body dose not need it. I was

on it for yrs. only because levels were in the low end of the range. I never

felt anything on it. I don't do it any more treating my Adrenals my levels came

back up don't need it.

>

> I am 66 leveled off on all my hormones and I have night time and morning wood

every night. My libido is great if you don't have night time and morning wood

have your Estradiol levels checked if your high say over 30 pg/ml best levels

are 20 get back with us on how to get this down. Being on TRT with high levels

of Estradiol it will hold you back from feeling better.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Night time and morning wood happens like whats in this link.

http://www.sexdictionary.info/erection_nocturnal.html

No don't do 100mgs every month to two do them every week if you have not tried

Androgel or Testim this is a gel you rub on your upper arms and shoulder after a

morning shower. Doing this is said to be the cloeset thing to what your body

does.

If you have low testostreone and need TRT this is the best way to do it it also

is the highest cost. If you don't have a drug care plain go with shots get a

script from your Dr. for Testosterone cypionate comes in a 10ml vial and is

200mgs/ml so your shot would be .5 mls every week.

Doing shots every 2 weeks or longer puts you on a roller coaster ride up after

the shot for 3 days the falling low by the 7th. day going longer then 7 days

your levels can fall lower then you started. This makes you feel like crap and

stress's out your body and mind.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

Also get your Dr. to let you add in HCG this acts like the LH message from your

brain that tells your Testis to make T so doing 250 IU's of HCG the 2 days each

just before your next T shot helps keep you more leveled and helps with your

libdio. Here is a cut and paste of a post to me by Dr. to help get my Dr.

to let me use HCG. And this link of a study supports what he says.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

===================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ph <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

>

> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 2:22 PM

> Hi Phil,

>

> What do you mean by " night time and morning wood " ?

>

> I was first told to take one 200 mg T shot once a month.

> Then, a lady MD I saw wanted me to take one 100 mg T shot

> every week but I didn't feel like bothering with it, but I

> began to feel lousy after going 2 or 3 months with no T

> shots. The T shots had played more of a part in my Mercury

> Chelation than I used to believe.

>

> So, do you think a 100 mg T shot twice a month might work

> out good for me?

>

> I guess I better hold off on the DHEA until I know where

> I'm at.

>

> Are Canary Club saliva tests a good way to check Estradiol?

>

>

> Thank you for replying.

>

> Joe R.

>

>

> >

> > Joe how long are you going to wait until you next shot

> doing 200 mgs is a dam big shot and can cause problems with

> high Estradiol.  Some Dr.'s to many tell men to do 200

> mgs every 2 weeks this is old and dose not work well. 

> Try doing 100 mgs / week if your doing 200 mgs / week you

> would be better off doing them 80 mgs every 3 days this

> keeps Estradiol levels down and keep one leveled if your the

> type of man that eats up the T as fast as you take it. 

> If your not this type of man why your you doing such a big

> shot.   Men need to start with 100mgs and do

> labs every 8 weeks going up on the dose if needed. 

> Most go by how they feel and try to get there levels up onto

> the upper 1/3 of there labs range.

> >

> > As for DHEA it converts into Estradiol is your body

> dose not need it.  I was on it for yrs. only because

> levels were in the low end of the range. I never felt

> anything on it.  I don't do it any more treating my

> Adrenals my levels came back up don't need it.

> >

> > I am 66 leveled off on all my hormones and I have

> night time and morning wood every night.  My libido is

> great if you don't have night time and morning wood have

> your Estradiol levels checked if your high say over 30 pg/ml

> best levels are 20 get back with us on how to get this

> down.  Being on TRT with high levels of Estradiol it

> will hold you back from feeling better.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I found that I felt TERRIBLE on DHEA.

This was before I was being treated with Testim and Levothyroxine.

I also have sapped adrenals. I don't know what the interplay was, but when I

took DHEA I felt like crap.

The only other thing that made me feel as bad was a cheap dessicated adrenal

(not isocort) formula.

>

> > From: ph <joe525us@...>

> > Subject: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

> >

> > Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 9:44 PM

> > Hi,

> >

> > I got some DHEA cream that has 15 mg per pump and am taking

> > 15 mg daily if I can handle it. I used to have trouble with

> > 10 mg of oral DHEA, but did OK with 5 mg.

> >

> > I took a Testosterone shot yesterday [200 mg]. I hadn't

> > taken one in maybe two months, because I didn't think they

> > did anything for me, but maybe I should have taken it anyway

> > because I'm low in T and DHEA.

> >

> > Does DHEA typically improve energy? How about Testosterone

> > shots in a 59 year old male?

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Joe

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Interesting. Now if I can find an MD who will let me take this stuff. I already

have an Rx for Testosterone Injection - one for cypionate and the other is in a

base of sesame oil because I thought the flax oil in cypionate was causing skin

problems, but maybe not.

He Rx'd 200 mg per month, so I guess it would be a start if I took a shot of 100

mg every two weeks. Or, I could cheat until my Rx runs out.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Dave some people can't take DHEA the stuff goes into Estradiol in men some women

take it and have the same problem it goes into Testosterone for women too bad it

would not do this for men.

If you have not see this link it full of info about Adreanls and in this is a

FAQ'S I help make when I was a Mod at STTM forum it is full of every thing one

needs to know about Adreanls and treating it.

Some of the links don't work anymore still this is great info.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=256

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

>

> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 8:48 PM

> I found that I felt TERRIBLE on DHEA.

>

> This was before I was being treated with Testim and

> Levothyroxine.

> I also have sapped adrenals.  I don't know what the

> interplay was, but when I took DHEA I felt like crap.

> The only other thing that made me feel as bad was a cheap

> dessicated adrenal (not isocort) formula.

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: ph <joe525us@...>

> > > Subject: Does DHEA Improve

> Energy?

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 9:44 PM

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I got some DHEA cream that has 15 mg per pump and

> am taking

> > > 15 mg daily if I can handle it. I used to have

> trouble with

> > > 10 mg of oral DHEA, but did OK with 5 mg.

> > >

> > > I took a Testosterone shot yesterday [200 mg]. I

> hadn't

> > > taken one in maybe two months, because I didn't

> think they

> > > did anything for me, but maybe I should have

> taken it anyway

> > > because I'm low in T and DHEA.

> > >

> > > Does DHEA typically improve energy? How about

> Testosterone

> > > shots in a 59 year old male?

> > >

> > > Thank you.

> > >

> > > Joe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Joe if your not doing any at all don't if you do 100mgs every two weeks your

going to feel worse. Fill them so you have extra and get your Dr. to let you do

shots every week here is a link to the AACE Guidelines on page 11 it states to

so shots every 7 to 10 days starting with about 100 mgs. Show this to your Dr.

or tell him over the phone.

If you do 100mgs every two weeks by the 10th day your levels might end up lower

then your base levels

Your bain sees the T in your blood and stops sending the LH and FSH message to

your Testis to make more T and as you get low it will not start sending this

message your shut down this is why I tell men don't go on TRT until you find out

why your low this is for life.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ph <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

>

> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 9:10 PM

> Interesting. Now if I can find an MD

> who will let me take this stuff. I already have an Rx for

> Testosterone Injection - one for cypionate and the other is

> in a base of sesame oil because I thought the flax oil in

> cypionate was causing skin problems, but maybe not.

>

> He Rx'd 200 mg per month, so I guess it would be a start if

> I took a shot of 100 mg every two weeks. Or, I could cheat

> until my Rx runs out.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Night time and morning wood happens like whats in this link.

> http://www.sexdictionary.info/erection_nocturnal.html

>

>

I thought that's what you were referring to. Actually my libido has been quite

well. I often get an erection in bed. If I was still married, I'd probably be

drilling my wife with it, lol.

Joe

[Guest guest]

>

> Joe if your not doing any at all don't if you do 100mgs every two weeks your

going to feel worse. Fill them so you have extra and get your Dr. to let you do

shots every week here is a link to the AACE Guidelines on page 11 it states to

so shots every 7 to 10 days starting with about 100 mgs. Show this to your Dr.

or tell him over the phone.

>

> If you do 100mgs every two weeks by the 10th day your levels might end up

lower then your base levels

> Your bain sees the T in your blood and stops sending the LH and FSH message to

your Testis to make more T and as you get low it will not start sending this

message your shut down this is why I tell men don't go on TRT until you find out

why your low this is for life.

> http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

Hi Phil,

I've never noticed any dips in energy that I could attribute to T shots I've

taken. I'm sure my T levels fluctuate due to the space between shots, but I

haven't noticed it, but I'm not saying I never will. If I do, it will certainly

get me to see the MD and get on a better dosing schedule.

I'm chelating mercury using ALA, and have done it 3 days a week for about 15

months now. I have almost 2 years to go.

I attribute my hormonal imbalances to Mercury related mineral imbalances. Sooner

or later they will improve.

I just had a falling out with a local holistic MD, so I have to look for a new

one soon.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Then Joe your Estradiol levels are good men with good levels have this all night

long it's when this stops you need to check your Estraidol levels. I was on TRT

for many yrs and still had good night time and morning wood when it soppped I

thought it was because I am getting old not true.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ph <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

>

> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 6:13 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Night time and morning wood happens like whats in this

> link.

> > http://www.sexdictionary.info/erection_nocturnal.html

> >

> >

>

> I thought that's what you were referring to. Actually my

> libido has been quite well. I often get an erection in bed.

> If I was still married, I'd probably be drilling my wife

> with it, lol.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Then Joe your Estradiol levels are good men with good levels have this all

night long it's when this stops you need to check your Estraidol levels. I was

on TRT for many yrs and still had good night time and morning wood when it

soppped I thought it was because I am getting old not true.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

Interesting. Wood is a good way to describe it. It often gets rock solid in bed.

I never paid much attention to it but if I was married I would, lol.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Now on this one I can't say if what your doing chelating mercury using ALA will

lower your Testosterone levels. Doing a search about this told me nothing it's

all about most about Autism.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & q=chelating+mercury+using+ALA+lowering+Te\

stosterone+men & aq=f & aqi= & aql= & oq= & gs_rfai=

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ph <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

>

> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 6:18 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Joe if your not doing any at all don't if you do

> 100mgs every two weeks your going to feel worse.  Fill

> them so you have extra and get your Dr. to let you do shots

> every week here is a link to the AACE Guidelines on page 11

> it states to so shots every 7 to 10 days starting with about

> 100 mgs.  Show this to your Dr. or tell him over the

> phone.

> >

> > If you do 100mgs every two weeks by the 10th day your

> levels might end up lower then your base levels

> > Your bain sees the T in your blood and stops sending

> the LH and FSH message to your Testis to make more T and as

> you get low it will not start sending this message your shut

> down this is why I tell men don't go on TRT until you find

> out why your low this is for life.

> > http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

> >

> Hi Phil,

>

> I've never noticed any dips in energy that I could

> attribute to T shots I've taken. I'm sure my T levels

> fluctuate due to the space between shots, but I haven't

> noticed it, but I'm not saying I never will. If I do, it

> will certainly get me to see the MD and get on a better

> dosing schedule.

>

> I'm chelating mercury using ALA, and have done it 3 days a

> week for about 15 months now. I have almost 2 years to go.

>

> I attribute my hormonal imbalances to Mercury related

> mineral imbalances. Sooner or later they will improve.

>

> I just had a falling out with a local holistic MD, so I

> have to look for a new one soon.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Now on this one I can't say if what your doing chelating mercury using ALA

will lower your Testosterone levels. Doing a search about this told me nothing

it's all about most about Autism.

>

>

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & q=chelating+mercury+using+ALA+lowering+Te\

stosterone+men & aq=f & aqi= & aql= & oq= & gs_rfai=

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

Hi Phil,

I follow the Cutler PhD program. It's supposed to be the safest and most

effective way to do it.

Here's some links to his websites :

http://www.noamalgam.com/

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

Joe

[Guest guest]

Joe, I almost choked on my food when I read your reply, Can we call you a

sex poodle lol

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:24 PM, ph <joe525us@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Then Joe your Estradiol levels are good men with good levels have this

> all night long it's when this stops you need to check your Estraidol levels.

> I was on TRT for many yrs and still had good night time and morning wood

> when it soppped I thought it was because I am getting old not true.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

> Interesting. Wood is a good way to describe it. It often gets rock solid in

> bed. I never paid much attention to it but if I was married I would, lol.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

--

Steve

Full Spectrum, Inc

Cell 662-415-0121

Ofc 662-396-4824

alex4500@...

[Guest guest]

One of the first things that can cause Adrenal Fatigue and Thyroid problems is

mercury from filling in your teeth. I show people this link so I guess one can

get low testosterone from tihs.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/thyroid-problems/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ph <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

>

> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 7:21 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Now on this one I can't say if what your doing

> chelating mercury using ALA will lower your Testosterone

> levels.  Doing a search about this told me nothing it's

> all about most about Autism.

> >

> >

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & q=chelating+mercury+using+ALA+lowering+Te\

stosterone+men & aq=f & aqi= & aql= & oq= & gs_rfai=

>

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

> Hi Phil,

>

> I follow the Cutler PhD program. It's supposed to be

> the safest and most effective way to do it.

>

> Here's some links to his websites :

>

> http://www.noamalgam.com/

>

> http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> One of the first things that can cause Adrenal Fatigue and Thyroid problems is

mercury from filling in your teeth. I show people this link so I guess one can

get low testosterone from tihs.

>

> http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

>

> http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/thyroid-problems/

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

Thanks Phil. I got rid of all my mercury fillings (18) in 1986. Now it's a

matter of removing it from my tissues.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Joe it is a slow process but in time you will be good as new.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ph <joe525us@...>

> Subject: Re: Does DHEA Improve Energy?

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2010, 6:21 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > One of the first things that can cause Adrenal Fatigue

> and Thyroid problems is mercury from filling in your

> teeth.  I show people this link so I guess one can get

> low testosterone from tihs.

> >

> > http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

> >

> > http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/thyroid-problems/

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

> >

>

> Thanks Phil. I got rid of all my mercury fillings (18) in

> 1986. Now it's a matter of removing it from my tissues.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>