Re: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

[Guest guest]

Thank you your quick response.

I am taking 500 IU of HcG on the 5th and 6th day after my testosterone

injection (1 cc). My age management DR. suggested maybe increasing the dosage

of the HcG.

What do you think.

I am concerned about the pituitary gland tumor; however my Prolactin level

was 10 on my last labs on 4/19/2010. Lab range is supposed to be between

2 and 18.0 ng/ml.

In a message dated 5/25/2010 6:34:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

I hate it when a Dr. says I think this means in his thinking this or that

is going to happen. But there is no study that supports this. Taking the

hormones your body is lacking do to a Pituitary Problem will not add to the

problem. I am not a Dr. but I have a Pituitary Problem and I have been on TRT

over 28 yrs and been using HCG with it over 7 yrs.

Yes one should watch there Pituitary tumor and keep track of it's size but

I have never see some ones get bigger. If it's bad when they find it and

you need sugary it happens when they first find out you have a tumor.

If you listen to this Dr. and stop TRT, HCG and DHEA when you need them

you will be one sorry person.

I think 20 on an insulin syringe is only 200 IU's when I first went on HCG

I did 50 on the needle this is 500 IU's and I was on this 3x's a week with

my T shots after the 15th. HCG shot we did labs and my Total Testosterone

levels doubled this is how we found out my Pituitary was bad. In time my tes

tis come back up to there normal size they were the size of small grapes

when I started on HCG.

Uro's and Endo's are not good Dr.'s for this problem they just think they

are.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: _gviceman77@..._ (mailto:gviceman77@...)

<_gviceman77@..._ (mailto:gviceman77@...) >

> Subject: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

> _ _

(mailto: )

> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 5:50 PM

> Saw my Uro today. He stated

> that my testicles were half the size they

> should be. My wife confirmed the opposite; that is

> that they are the same

> size they have since we have been together..

> The problem is that I did not

> have the testicles or FSH or LH checked prior to

> going on TRT.

>

> Also Uro is concerned because i have a small tumor lesion

> on my pituitary

> gland. He thinks that all the testosterone , HcG and

> DHEA may cause the

> tumor to grow as well.

>

> I do have a MRI scheduled for next week to see if the

> tumor has increased

> since it was discovered in November 2009.

>

>

> I have been taking HcG (20 on the insulin syringe) on the

> 5th and 6th day

> after my 1cc injection of Testosterone.

>

> My age management Dr. stated that perhaps I am not

> taking enough HcG.

>

> What do you think??

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you your quick response.

I am taking 500 IU of HcG on the 5th and 6th day after my testosterone

injection (1 cc). My age management DR. suggested maybe increasing the dosage

of the HcG.

What do you think.

I am concerned about the pituitary gland tumor; however my Prolactin level

was 10 on my last labs on 4/19/2010. Lab range is supposed to be between

2 and 18.0 ng/ml.

In a message dated 5/25/2010 6:45:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

drjohn@... writes:

Estrogen can make a pituitary tumor grow.

Is your Prolactin elevated?

Be well!

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Crisler, DO

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[Guest guest]

I hate it when a Dr. says I think this means in his thinking this or that is

going to happen. But there is no study that supports this. Taking the hormones

your body is lacking do to a Pituitary Problem will not add to the problem. I

am not a Dr. but I have a Pituitary Problem and I have been on TRT over 28 yrs

and been using HCG with it over 7 yrs.

Yes one should watch there Pituitary tumor and keep track of it's size but I

have never see some ones get bigger. If it's bad when they find it and you need

sugary it happens when they first find out you have a tumor.

If you listen to this Dr. and stop TRT, HCG and DHEA when you need them you will

be one sorry person.

I think 20 on an insulin syringe is only 200 IU's when I first went on HCG I did

50 on the needle this is 500 IU's and I was on this 3x's a week with my T shots

after the 15th. HCG shot we did labs and my Total Testosterone levels doubled

this is how we found out my Pituitary was bad. In time my testis come back up

to there normal size they were the size of small grapes when I started on HCG.

Uro's and Endo's are not good Dr.'s for this problem they just think they are.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gviceman77@... <gviceman77@...>

> Subject: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

>

> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 5:50 PM

> Saw my Uro today.  He stated

> that my testicles were half  the size they

> should be.  My wife confirmed the opposite; that is

> that  they are the same

> size they have since we have been together.. 

> The  problem is that I did not

> have the testicles or FSH or LH checked prior to

> going  on TRT.

>

> Also Uro is concerned because i have a small tumor lesion

> on  my pituitary

> gland.  He thinks that all the testosterone , HcG and

> DHEA may  cause the

> tumor to grow as well.

>

> I do have a MRI scheduled for next week to see if the

> tumor  has increased

> since it was discovered in November 2009.

>

>

> I have been taking HcG (20 on the insulin syringe) on the

> 5th  and 6th day

> after my 1cc injection of Testosterone.   

>

> My age management Dr. stated that perhaps I am not

> taking  enough HcG.

>

> What do you think??

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I actually feel pretty good. I'm in good shape. Wife cant tell any

difference in size. This was the first time that the uro checked the testicle

size. So they have been this size since I met the wife 9.5 years ago.

In a message dated 5/26/2010 12:54:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

brshop@... writes:

Hi gviceman77,

Has the HCG helped you have a more positive attitude or a feeling of

well being like Phil reports? I am trying to get my new DO to proscribe it

for me. He sent me to see a endo about it and I am supposed to see her

Thursday. I guess I don't expect that to go anywhere but we will see. I am

going to give it my best shop. Brett

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Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:50 PM

Subject: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

> Saw my Uro today. He stated that my testicles were half the size they

> should be. My wife confirmed the opposite; that is that they are the

> same

> size they have since we have been together.. The problem is that I did

> not

> have the testicles or FSH or LH checked prior to going on TRT.

>

> Also Uro is concerned because i have a small tumor lesion on my pituitary

> gland. He thinks that all the testosterone , HcG and DHEA may cause the

> tumor to grow as well.

>

> I do have a MRI scheduled for next week to see if the tumor has increased

> since it was discovered in November 2009.

>

>

> I have been taking HcG (20 on the insulin syringe) on the 5th and 6th day

> after my 1cc injection of Testosterone.

>

> My age management Dr. stated that perhaps I am not taking enough HcG.

>

> What do you think??

[Guest guest]

Hi gviceman77,

Has the HCG helped you have a more positive attitude or a feeling of

well being like Phil reports? I am trying to get my new DO to proscribe it

for me. He sent me to see a endo about it and I am supposed to see her

Thursday. I guess I don't expect that to go anywhere but we will see. I am

going to give it my best shop. Brett

TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

> Saw my Uro today. He stated that my testicles were half the size they

> should be. My wife confirmed the opposite; that is that they are the

> same

> size they have since we have been together.. The problem is that I did

> not

> have the testicles or FSH or LH checked prior to going on TRT.

>

> Also Uro is concerned because i have a small tumor lesion on my pituitary

> gland. He thinks that all the testosterone , HcG and DHEA may cause the

> tumor to grow as well.

>

> I do have a MRI scheduled for next week to see if the tumor has increased

> since it was discovered in November 2009.

>

>

> I have been taking HcG (20 on the insulin syringe) on the 5th and 6th day

> after my 1cc injection of Testosterone.

>

> My age management Dr. stated that perhaps I am not taking enough HcG.

>

> What do you think??

[Guest guest]

If anything I would lower your dose to 250 IU's I was doing 500 IU's 3 x's a

week my Estradiol started to go nuts very high and I needed a stronger dose of

Arimidex to keep it down. I switched my shots of Test C from every week to

every 3 days now I am doing a shot that is lower and I lowed my HCG to 400 IU's

the 2 days each in between my T shot. But in time my Estradiol went nuts again.

If your doing more HCG then your testis can handle it will convert into

Estradiol and in time desensitize your testis to HCG.

But I did find out after all them yrs. on HCG it would become weaker by the time

it is 3 weeks old keeping it in the fridge. I now know why when you mix it you

need to let is set for 30 min.'s of over night so it is mixed real good. I was

mixing and shooting it so when I turn the vial over to draw out the HCG I was

draw out unmixed HCG that was very strong so my mix ended up weaker. I found

out about this mixing my HGH.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > Subject:  TRT, HcG, and small

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> >  Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 5:50 PM

> > Saw my Uro today.  He  stated

> > that my testicles were half  the size they

> > should  be.  My wife confirmed the opposite;

> that is

> > that  they are  the same

> > size they have since we have been together..

> >  The  problem is that I did not

> > have the testicles or FSH or LH  checked prior

> to

> > going  on TRT.

> >

> > Also Uro is  concerned because i have a small

> tumor lesion

> > on  my pituitary 

> > gland.  He thinks that all the testosterone , HcG

> and

> >  DHEA may  cause the

> > tumor to grow as well.

> >

> > I do  have a MRI scheduled for next week to see

> if the

> > tumor  has  increased

> > since it was discovered in November 2009.

> >

> > 

> > I have been taking HcG (20 on the insulin syringe) on

> the

> >  5th  and 6th day

> > after my 1cc injection of 

> Testosterone.   

> >

> > My age management Dr. stated  that perhaps I am

> not

> > taking  enough HcG.

> >

> > What  do you think??

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[Guest guest]

If you had sex I think 48 hrs before testing your Prolactin the level will be on

the higher side.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gviceman77@... <gviceman77@...>

> Subject: Re: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

>

> Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 9:30 PM

>

> Thank you your quick response.

>

> I am taking 500 IU of HcG on the 5th and 6th day after

> my  testosterone

> injection (1 cc). My age management DR. suggested maybe

> increasing  the dosage

> of the HcG.

>

> What do you think. 

>

> I am concerned about the pituitary gland tumor; however

> my  Prolactin level

> was 10 on my last labs on 4/19/2010.  Lab range is

> supposed  to be between

> 2 and 18.0 ng/ml.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 6:45:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight

> Time, 

> drjohn@...

> writes:

>

>

>

>

> Estrogen can make a pituitary tumor grow.

>

> Is your Prolactin  elevated?

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

> Crisler,  DO

>

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[Guest guest]

Dr.s think Endo's are the experts on low T and when you ask about a med they

don't know about the feel sending you to see an Endo is the best thing to do.

Take my word for it they are not any good and most will try to get you to stop

your T meds so they can do what they call base line labs this is not a good idea

it's something they do with people that have high sugar levels I feel. If you

see this Endo your going to find you wasted your time and money and if this Endo

tells you you need to stop TRT run from there office.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

>

> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 12:54 AM

> Hi gviceman77,

>     Has the HCG helped you have a more positive

> attitude or a feeling of

> well being like Phil reports?   I am trying

> to get my new DO to proscribe it

> for me.  He sent me to see a endo about it and I am

> supposed to see her

> Thursday.  I guess I don't expect that to go anywhere

> but we will see. I am

> going to give it my best shop.   Brett

> TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

>

>

> > Saw my Uro today.  He stated that my testicles

> were half  the size they

> > should be.  My wife confirmed the opposite; that

> is that  they are the

> > same

> > size they have since we have been together.. 

> The  problem is that I did

> > not

> > have the testicles or FSH or LH checked prior to

> going  on TRT.

> >

> > Also Uro is concerned because i have a small tumor

> lesion on  my pituitary

> > gland.  He thinks that all the testosterone , HcG

> and DHEA may  cause the

> > tumor to grow as well.

> >

> > I do have a MRI scheduled for next week to see if the

> tumor  has increased

> > since it was discovered in November 2009.

> >

> >

> > I have been taking HcG (20 on the insulin syringe) on

> the 5th  and 6th day

> > after my 1cc injection of Testosterone.

> >

> > My age management Dr. stated that perhaps I am not

> taking  enough HcG.

> >

> > What do you think??

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL Phil, That is exactly what the first Endo I saw said. He talked about

me going off TRT so he could do labs. I expect this to will be a waste of

time but I am going to give it my best shot. She will at least know someone

wants HCG as part of their TRT. Brett

Re: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

Dr.s think Endo's are the experts on low T and when you ask about a med they

don't know about the feel sending you to see an Endo is the best thing to

do.

Take my word for it they are not any good and most will try to get you to

stop your T meds so they can do what they call base line labs this is not a

good idea it's something they do with people that have high sugar levels I

feel. If you see this Endo your going to find you wasted your time and

money and if this Endo tells you you need to stop TRT run from there office.

Co-Moderator

Phil

[Guest guest]

I pry she is good don't let her take you off TRT I had this happen to me 7 x's

when I was sent to see Endo's there is no such thing as taking a man off TRT for

a Base Line set of labs all they do is find out how dam sick they make you when

you crash. And each time I let them do this it took longer to get my levels

back up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

>

> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 10:50 PM

> LOL Phil,  That is exactly what

> the first Endo I saw said.  He talked about

> me going off TRT so he could do labs.  I expect this

> to will be a waste of

> time but I am going to give it my best shot.  She will

> at least know someone

> wants HCG as part of their TRT.   Brett

> Re: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

>

>

> Dr.s think Endo's are the experts on low T and when you ask

> about a med they

> don't know about the feel sending you to see an Endo is the

> best thing to

> do.

>

> Take my word for it they are not any good and most will try

> to get you to

> stop your T meds so they can do what they call base line

> labs this is not a

> good idea it's something they do with people that have high

> sugar levels I

> feel.  If you see this Endo your going to find you

> wasted your time and

> money and if this Endo tells you you need to stop TRT run

> from there office.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

LOL Phil your a prophet. That is exactly what she wanted to do! Take me

off TRT to get baseline labs! I only when there because my new DO thought

she would be up on hCG. Not! About the time she got to the standard line

" hCG is only good if you are concerned about fertility " I thanked her for

her time and left. Well guess I should have known better to go there in

the first place. I doubt if you DO will agree to RX me hCG after this so it

is off to ADC I go. Trouble is that way it is going to cost me if I could

have gotten a prescription within my health plan it would have been only $20

co pay. Wonder how long before ADC gets restocked or was it only that diet

size premix that they were out of? Brett

Re: TRT, HcG, and small testicles.

>

>

> Dr.s think Endo's are the experts on low T and when you ask

> about a med they

> don't know about the feel sending you to see an Endo is the

> best thing to

> do.

>

> Take my word for it they are not any good and most will try

> to get you to

> stop your T meds so they can do what they call base line

> labs this is not a

> good idea it's something they do with people that have high

> sugar levels I

> feel. If you see this Endo your going to find you

> wasted your time and

> money and if this Endo tells you you need to stop TRT run

> from there office.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Sorry that came true I was hoping she was up on this keep working on your DO

show him Dr. 's paper Update on HCG at www.allthingsmale.com and this link.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Here is a post to me from Dr. to help get my Dr. to let me try HCG show

this to him also.

===================================================

Dr. ’s post to me to help get my Dr. to let me try HCG.

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> > Subject: Re: TRT, HcG, and small

> testicles.

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 10:50 PM

> > LOL Phil, That is exactly what

> > the first Endo I saw said. He talked about

> > me going off TRT so he could do labs. I expect this

> > to will be a waste of

> > time but I am going to give it my best shot. She will

> > at least know someone

> > wants HCG as part of their TRT. Brett

> > Re: TRT, HcG, and small

> testicles.

> >

> >

> > Dr.s think Endo's are the experts on low T and when

> you ask

> > about a med they

> > don't know about the feel sending you to see an Endo

> is the

> > best thing to

> > do.

> >

> > Take my word for it they are not any good and most

> will try

> > to get you to

> > stop your T meds so they can do what they call base

> line

> > labs this is not a

> > good idea it's something they do with people that have

> high

> > sugar levels I

> > feel. If you see this Endo your going to find you

> > wasted your time and

> > money and if this Endo tells you you need to stop TRT

> run

> > from there office.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

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