Re: Testosterone and Blood Sugar

[Guest guest]

I find this very hard to believe like the HCG diet.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: rjamestemple@... <rjamestemple@...>

> Subject: Testosterone and Blood Sugar

>

> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 12:19 PM

> In this month's " Alternatives " health

> newsletter, Dr. says, " researchers have found

> that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

> testosterone significantly. "

> He further states, " each man in the study was given a

> sugary solution to drink and then had their T levels

> checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much as 25 percent

> and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men

> in the study with normal T levels prior to the test

> experienced T drops so low that they would be classified as

> having hypogonadism. "

> ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but

> eliminating sugar from your diet, you can significantly

> reduce your risk of developing heart disease, diabetes,

> cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

> major disease of our time. "

>

> I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of

> us are hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

>

> Rob

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know, it is hard to believe. However, Dr. is usually right on the

money.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Testosterone and Blood Sugar

>

> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 12:19 PM

> In this month's " Alternatives " health

> newsletter, Dr. says, " researchers have found

> that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

> testosterone significantly. "

> He further states, " each man in the study was given a

> sugary solution to drink and then had their T levels

> checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much as 25 percent

> and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men

> in the study with normal T levels prior to the test

> experienced T drops so low that they would be classified as

> having hypogonadism. "

> ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but

> eliminating sugar from your diet, you can significantly

> reduce your risk of developing heart disease, diabetes,

> cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

> major disease of our time. "

>

> I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of

> us are hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

>

> Rob

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if I believe the link between sugar and T is that direct but I do

know this:

If you do a google search on " low testosterone insulin resistance " you will find

many articles linking insulin resistance to low T and insulin resistance is tied

to the spare tire many of us have around our waist.

Will getting rid of the spare tire raise T?

I don't know but insulin resistance is bad all around.

There are some good articles on Dr Mirkin's website about this topic and some

good ideas about how to deal with it.

I have tried his suggestions and they work.

Primarily, avoid anything that causes blood sugar to rise suddenly.

IE Sugar, alcohol, white flour etc..

If you have insulin resistance this is much more difficult to do than one thinks

but once you make the transition the food cravings go away and the pounds come

off.

It's worth a try and if your T is marginal perhaps it can make a difference.

Even if it does not raise T you will feel better anyways.

>

> In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr. says,

" researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

testosterone significantly. "

> He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution to drink

and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much as 25

percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men in the study

with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low that they

would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating sugar

from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

>

> I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are hypogonadal

simply because we have a sweet tooth????

>

> Rob

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tips. I do have a problem with insulin and really am having a

hell of a time losing that tire around the middle. I have proven to myself that

sugar, wheat and grains in general really can mess me up. I feel much better

when I follow a paleo diet.

Rob

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Testosterone and Blood Sugar

I don't know if I believe the link between sugar and T is that direct but I do

know this:

If you do a google search on " low testosterone insulin resistance " you will find

many articles linking insulin resistance to low T and insulin resistance is tied

to the spare tire many of us have around our waist.

Will getting rid of the spare tire raise T?

I don't know but insulin resistance is bad all around.

There are some good articles on Dr Mirkin's website about this topic and some

good ideas about how to deal with it.

I have tried his suggestions and they work.

Primarily, avoid anything that causes blood sugar to rise suddenly.

IE Sugar, alcohol, white flour etc..

If you have insulin resistance this is much more difficult to do than one thinks

but once you make the transition the food cravings go away and the pounds come

off.

It's worth a try and if your T is marginal perhaps it can make a difference.

Even if it does not raise T you will feel better anyways.

>

> In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr. says,

" researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

testosterone significantly. "

> He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution to drink

and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much as 25

percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men in the study

with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low that they

would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating sugar

from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

>

> I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are hypogonadal

simply because we have a sweet tooth????

>

> Rob

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

[Guest guest]

I just looked at Paleo and its just the ticket but even that won't take the tire

away unless you walk uphill for an hour each day.

If you add that (or an equivalent) exercise the tire will (slowly) come off.

I have done it. It is difficult.

I keep cooked veggies (especially beets) in the fridge and whenever get hungry

I eat some. Hunger goes away and blood sugar stays steady.

Beets are my favorite because they also lower blood pressure. This is well

documented. It is hard to measure because blood pressure varies so much but I

figure I get 5 to 10 points off my blood pressure by eating beets all the time.

I don't even have high blood pressure it's just a bonus for me.

Good luck with the Paleo. The concept is right on the money.

> >

> > In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr. says,

" researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

testosterone significantly. "

> > He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution to

drink and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much

as 25 percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men in the

study with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low that

they would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating sugar

from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

> >

> > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are

hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

> >

> > Rob

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well they have said for yrs. sugar is bad for us I don't eat by that I mean I

don't add it to anything I eat.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: rjamestemple@...

> <rjamestemple@...>

> > Subject: Testosterone and Blood Sugar

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 12:19 PM

> > In this month's " Alternatives " health

> > newsletter, Dr. says, " researchers have

> found

> > that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

> > testosterone significantly. "

> > He further states, " each man in the study was given a

> > sugary solution to drink and then had their T levels

> > checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much as 25

> percent

> > and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the

> 66 men

> > in the study with normal T levels prior to the test

> > experienced T drops so low that they would be

> classified as

> > having hypogonadism. "

> > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else

> but

> > eliminating sugar from your diet, you can

> significantly

> > reduce your risk of developing heart disease,

> diabetes,

> > cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically

> every

> > major disease of our time. "

> >

> > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How

> many of

> > us are hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet

> tooth????

> >

> > Rob

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is said men with diabetes going on TRT it gets better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dale <etherial@...>

> Subject: Re: Testosterone and Blood Sugar

>

> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 1:48 PM

> I don't know if I believe the link

> between sugar and T is that direct but I do know this:

> If you do a google search on " low testosterone insulin

> resistance " you will find many articles linking insulin

> resistance to low T and insulin resistance is tied to the

> spare tire many of us have around our waist.

>

> Will getting rid of the spare tire raise T?

> I don't know but insulin resistance is bad all around.

>

> There are some good articles on Dr Mirkin's website about

> this topic and some good ideas about how to deal with it.

> I have tried his suggestions and they work.

> Primarily, avoid anything that causes blood sugar to rise

> suddenly.

> IE Sugar, alcohol, white flour etc..

>

> If you have insulin resistance this is much more difficult

> to do than one thinks but once you make the transition the

> food cravings go away and the pounds come off.

>

> It's worth a try and if your T is marginal perhaps it can

> make a difference.  Even if it does not raise T you

> will feel better anyways.

>

>

> >

> > In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr.

> says, " researchers have found that eating

> sugar cuts a man's level of circulating testosterone

> significantly. "

> > He further states, " each man in the study was given a

> sugary solution to drink and then had their T levels

> checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much as 25 percent

> and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men

> in the study with normal T levels prior to the test

> experienced T drops so low that they would be classified as

> having hypogonadism. "

> > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else

> but eliminating sugar from your diet, you can significantly

> reduce your risk of developing heart disease, diabetes,

> cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

> major disease of our time. "

> >

> > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How

> many of us are hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet

> tooth????

> >

> > Rob

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a link between body fat and reduced testosterone as our aging male

bodies tend to convert more of its testosterone to estradiol. The estradiol in

turn helps to increase body fat, particularly around the abdomen, further

increasing conversion of T.

A diet eliminating simple carbohydrates benefit men in many ways.

>

> Thanks for the tips. I do have a problem with insulin and really am having a

hell of a time losing that tire around the middle. I have proven to myself that

sugar, wheat and grains in general really can mess me up. I feel much better

when I follow a paleo diet.

>

> Rob

[Guest guest]

Yes. Paleo is good. I've been power walking for years, but only for 30 minutes.

Guess I should do the hour. Funny you mentioin beets. I just got some today from

the Farmers mkt.

Thanks,

Rob

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Testosterone and Blood Sugar

I just looked at Paleo and its just the ticket but even that won't take the tire

away unless you walk uphill for an hour each day.

If you add that (or an equivalent) exercise the tire will (slowly) come off.

I have done it. It is difficult.

I keep cooked veggies (especially beets) in the fridge and whenever get hungry

I eat some. Hunger goes away and blood sugar stays steady.

Beets are my favorite because they also lower blood pressure. This is well

documented. It is hard to measure because blood pressure varies so much but I

figure I get 5 to 10 points off my blood pressure by eating beets all the time.

I don't even have high blood pressure it's just a bonus for me.

Good luck with the Paleo. The concept is right on the money.

> >

> > In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr. says,

" researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

testosterone significantly. "

> > He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution to

drink and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much

as 25 percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men in the

study with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low that

they would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating sugar

from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

> >

> > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are

hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

> >

> > Rob

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

First off, there is a reason why they take a standard testosterone level in the

morning, because it fluctuates wildly through the day. My lowest test has been

287, my highest 345.

this is without drinking a sugary drink before.

Something that is missing is what happened the next day to the levels of test.

AnD why 2 hours?

also, the whole idea that simply eliminating all sugar from your diet in order

to reduce the risk of a whole slew of diseases is a generalization, not a fact.

An atkin's diet makes a similar link really well. If I didn't have so many food

allergies, I could probably do an atkins diet again.

I can also tell you that as a pre-diabetic, on the edge of diabetes, that the

real problem is things that are highly processed flours, sugars, and starches.

Many sugars are ok, just in moderation.

Of course, going on testosterone has pulled my blood sugars into the normal

ranges. I was going to have to start glucophage if my doctor didn't give me

testosterone.

Modern medicine loves " fixes " and testosterone replacement therapy is not a

fix, it is an adjustment that was figured out by people doing illegal

activities.

I would also like to point out that if you have untreated low T, and go on a

calorie restricted diet, that the body will lower your metabolism and decrease

muscle mass. Nothing like a skinny person with %25 body fat.,

>

> In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr. says,

" researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

testosterone significantly. "

> He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution to drink

and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much as 25

percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men in the study

with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low that they

would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating sugar

from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

>

> I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are hypogonadal

simply because we have a sweet tooth????

>

> Rob

> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>

[Guest guest]

I find this hard to believe too. I have low blood sugar and have for a long

time. As a result , I cut out all sugar for quite a while. Test was low

throughout this time. So basically, I'm the opposite from the diabetic / insulin

resistant type, avoided sugar and had no bearing on me whatsoever.

>

> > From: rjamestemple@... <rjamestemple@...>

> > Subject: Testosterone and Blood Sugar

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 12:19 PM

> > In this month's " Alternatives " health

> > newsletter, Dr. says, " researchers have found

> > that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

> > testosterone significantly. "

> > He further states, " each man in the study was given a

> > sugary solution to drink and then had their T levels

> > checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much as 25 percent

> > and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men

> > in the study with normal T levels prior to the test

> > experienced T drops so low that they would be classified as

> > having hypogonadism. "

> > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but

> > eliminating sugar from your diet, you can significantly

> > reduce your risk of developing heart disease, diabetes,

> > cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

> > major disease of our time. "

> >

> > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of

> > us are hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

> >

> > Rob

> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have been as close to zero carb as one can be for almost 13 months.Went from

260 to 190.6 foot 2.A long journey but body fat is right where I want it.Add in

the testosterone and muscles are evident all over my 54 year old body.When I say

zero carb I meant no vegetables or fruit.Just meat,eggs and a tad of cheese.Not

for everyone but for me it has worked wonders. Phil

> > >

> > > In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr. says,

" researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

testosterone significantly. "

> > > He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution to

drink and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much

as 25 percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men in the

study with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low that

they would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> > > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating

sugar from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

> > >

> > > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are

hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

> > >

> > > Rob

> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Good for you. Would you mind telling us what your typical breakfast, lunch and

dinner would be?

Thanks,

Rob

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Testosterone and Blood Sugar

I have been as close to zero carb as one can be for almost 13 months.Went from

260 to 190.6 foot 2.A long journey but body fat is right where I want it.Add in

the testosterone and muscles are evident all over my 54 year old body.When I say

zero carb I meant no vegetables or fruit.Just meat,eggs and a tad of cheese.Not

for everyone but for me it has worked wonders. Phil

> > >

> > > In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr. says,

" researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of circulating

testosterone significantly. "

> > > He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution to

drink and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much

as 25 percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men in the

study with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low that

they would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> > > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating

sugar from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

> > >

> > > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are

hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

> > >

> > > Rob

> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Most people's bodies need some carbs to properly metabolize protein. Taking in

some complex carbs and a good amount of protein plus exercise and proper rest

are the keys to good health, I believe.

Do you workout on a regular basis? Since retiring from my job, I've been much

more consistent about getting to the gym. Also, I started TRT at the end of

summer '09. Looking over my daily gym log, I weighed 200 in early October '09.

Presently I weigh 224 @ 5'11 " . Although I have a little more abdominal fat than

I'd like, I am much more muscled than I've been in years. I like the way I look.

I believe that I look fitter than a lot of fellas do who are half of my 65 years

in age.

Probably, some of the muscle gain is a result to TRT. For the past three weeks,

I have been injecting Testosterone Cyprionate once a week @ 100 mg. For about

two months before that I was getting injections at the doctor's office of 300 mg

every three weeks. From September through December, I used Androgel @ 5 gr a

day. I like the shots better.

Do you take anything for sleep? To help with sleep, I take 75 mg of Trazadone

each night. It is recommended to take this with some carbs for the best results.

This low dose seems to fit the bill for staying asleep all night without feeling

groggy in the mornings. I've long had issues with sleeping well. -too many

thoughts swirling around my little pea brain tended to keep me from staying

asleep through the night.

One benefit I've enjoyed is that I no longer need to take an antidepressant

since going on TRT. I almost never feel depressed or anxious....I do get anxious

feeling the next day if I drink too much alcohol. However, I've cut way back

from what I was drinking for the past several years. Do you think this has

anything to do with TRT?

Anyway, Phil, I really enjoy reading all the posts folks make in this group.

Your posts are really very informative and helpful. Although I have not had my

" E " levels tested yet. I've monitored this some from what you've written about

" morning wood " and sore nipples. When I first started using Androgel, my

nipples did become somewhat more sensitive than usual, which is fairly

sensitive. As far as them being hard, they've always been that way. With the

injections, my nipples are not sore. They are what has been the norm for me. If

I had morning wood prior to TRT, I am not aware of it. Now I either wake up with

an erection or at least a partial everyday. Years of impotence have probably

left a mark on my consciousness regarding perform anxiety and erections. I don't

know if adding Arimidex would help with this or not. I found a supplement at

GNC that has DIM, Tribulus Terestis, and the trace minerals you've written

about. I plan to try this product to see if it ups my libido.

Well that's my story today and I am sticking to it! Thanks again for all you do

for us guys. You and this group are a godsend!

Jay

> > > >

> > > > In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr.

says, " researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of

circulating testosterone significantly. "

> > > > He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution to

drink and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as much

as 25 percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men in the

study with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low that

they would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> > > > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating

sugar from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

> > > >

> > > > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are

hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

> > > >

> > > > Rob

> > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The supplement I purchased today from GNC is called Amidren. It is manufactured

by Sera-Pharma Labs in Fairfield, NJ.

According to the lable one dose (two tabs) has 11 mg of magnesium, 19 mg of

Zinc, 1.5 mg of copper and 1,354 mg of Amidren Hormonal Support Complex, this

includes: Tribulus terrestis (standardized to 45% furastanol saponins)(stem and

fruit), Fenugreek 4:1 extract (seed), Longjack 20:1 extract (root), chrysin,

kudzu root extract (40% isoflavones), DIM (diindolymethane), red clover extract,

Avena sativa 10:1 extract, zinc (as zinc aspartate), Pygeum africanum extract

(25% total sterol)(bark), stinging nettle leaf 4:1 extract, beta sitosterol, saw

palmetto berry extract (90% total sterols & free fatty acids) and Bioperine

(black pepper extract).

I have no idea if this concoction works or not. Guess I'll be better able to

comment on this after I've been on it for awhile. I only purchased a one month

supply.

> > > > >

> > > > > In this month's " Alternatives " health newsletter, Dr.

says, " researchers have found that eating sugar cuts a man's level of

circulating testosterone significantly. "

> > > > > He further states, " each man in the study was given a sugary solution

to drink and then had their T levels checked. Blood levels of T dropped by as

much as 25 percent and remained low even after 2 hours. And 15 % of the 66 men

in the study with normal T levels prior to the test experienced T drops so low

that they would be classified as having hypogonadism. "

> > > > > ends the article with, " by doing nothing else but eliminating

sugar from your diet, you can significantly reduce your risk of developing heart

disease, diabetes, cancer, hormonal problems, obesity and practically every

major disease of our time. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I find this amazing and scary at the same time. How many of us are

hypogonadal simply because we have a sweet tooth????

> > > > >

> > > > > Rob

> > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >