Re: E2 & DIM question

[Guest guest]

Dr. Ullis,

In my particular case, my E2 was always very low (as low as 4)at a TT level of

511. I needed to get my TT above 800 to move the E2 higher. I am now at 917 T

and 21 E2. I still have very bad ED problems.

I have problems with high Rt3, low Vitamin D levels and most likely adrenal

issues. If these levels are optimized, will this help with the ED issue? I was

taking 16000iu of vitamin D. I increased it to 22000iu. We tried low dose

cytomel for the Rt3, but my system could not take this. I had to stop.

I could provide current symptoms if you are gracious enough to respond. Thanks

very much.

>

> >

> >

> > I've notice comparing labs 4 months apart that Esterdiol has gone from 20

> > to 42, Thyroid T3 has fallen as well as Testosterone levels. My Doctor has

> > increased both Cytomel and Testosterone. TShe noticed the Esterdiol rise and

> > said it was nothing to worry about. If I take DIM to lower Esterdiol will it

> > just lower both T's as well?

> > Thanks for all your help.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging & Preventive Medical Group

> 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> Santa , CA 90405

> TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> EMAIL: kullismd@...

> WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Really, that's interesting! It was suggested by some on here that it does lower

estrogen. I have been taking it for about a week and a half, and haven't noticed

too much yet, although after taking Viagra last night, there was somewhat more

of an effect. I started experiencing low libido and ED about a year ago, after

quitting Zoloft which I was on for 7 years. I must point out that I don't have

complete dysfunction, just weak erections, and sometimes it takes a while to get

up. Thanks goodness for Viagra. But I noticed after a while that it stopped

working, but then started working again after a period of time. It was a mystery

to me. At first I thought that maybe I built up a tolerance, but then when it

started working again, that smashed that theory! Had my T tested 3 weeks ago, it

was 382. I am 55, and my doctor said that this was ok. Then I found this forum,

and started reading about the testosterone/estrogen relationship. I saw your

youtube video. I am convinced that my E is on the high side due to my erratic ED

symptoms. I am going to give Chrysin a try. I called three endo doctors

yesterday, and all said that I need to be referred by my general practitioner. I

have a feeling my doctor doesn't know too much about this topic, because he

never mentioned testing my E. I am 5'11 " and 210, and have slowly been losing

weight, as I have really got serious about exercising as of late. Maybe after

taking the chrysin, and losing weight, I will not have to take Viagra again.

Thank goodness for the generic Viagra from Canada.

>

> >

> >

> > I've notice comparing labs 4 months apart that Esterdiol has gone from 20

> > to 42, Thyroid T3 has fallen as well as Testosterone levels. My Doctor has

> > increased both Cytomel and Testosterone. TShe noticed the Esterdiol rise and

> > said it was nothing to worry about. If I take DIM to lower Esterdiol will it

> > just lower both T's as well?

> > Thanks for all your help.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging & Preventive Medical Group

> 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> Santa , CA 90405

> TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> EMAIL: kullismd@...

> WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Not to go against the good Dr. Indolplex/DIM does lower E2 levels the way it

dose this is it converts it into other E's so your liver can wash it out. I

went to low on my E2 levels taking Indolplex/DIM and have talked to many other

men that went to low on it. I like using it it comes in a tablet that can be

cut in half.

I tried chrysin it did nothing for men I hare it can get killed in your stomach.

Today I feel if one has a problem keep E2 levels in check to use Arimidex. Here

is some info I have in my files about taking it.

====================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

====================================================

Most compounding pharmacies will require a prescription from a doctor, before

they do this.

Once your prescription says " 300 caps x 0.1mg " or " 600 caps x 0.05mg "

anastrozole " from 1 to 4 daily " , (anastrozole = generic arimidex) then they will

compound your arimidex, or generic anastrozole, and they will usually supply the

arimidex as compounded into the caps you require.

My compounding pharmacist was prepared to allow me to supply the arimidex too.

If you have several boxes of arimidex in your cupboard, then you may want to ask

your pharmacist to do this for you.

If you don't have any arimidex stores, then just let the compounding pharmacy

supply the whole lot.

###

A pack of 30 tabs of 1.0mg arimidex will give 300 caps at 0.1mg-per-cap, or 600

caps at 0.05mg-per-cap.

So if your pharmacy chooses to supply arimidex as opposed to generic

anastrozole, then your pharmacy will most likely not agree to only charge you

for a half-a-box of arimidex, and most likely they'll charge for a whole box,

even if your prescription says 300 caps at 0.05mg-per-cap (total of 15mg).

====================================================

E2 Sweet Spot by Chilln at Dr. ’s forum.

continued from post #8 in this thread, ie:

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...14 & postcount=8

PLAN A:

The healthiest method of optimizing E2 levels is to simply minimize your T

boost, to the point which is " just above " your minimum acceptable level of

damage tolerance.

###

* If you exercise very hard, you're going to need a lot more T than if you

exercise very little.

* Reducing your T boosters will reduce both your maximum T levels, and your

minimum T levels. This works if you metabolize T relatively slowly, in which

case your minimum T levels will not be too low.

* But if you metabolize T very quickly, then you may find that this method lets

your minimum T levels drop too low.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on minimizing your maximum T levels, and ensuring your minimum

T levels are still adequate (no sore joints, no sore back, no stiff neck, don't

catch flu quickly).

* Keep gradually reducing your maximum T levels, looking for your E2 sweet spot,

until eventually your minimum T levels are too low during the day / week (ie:

sore joints, or sore back, or you catch a flu quickly).

###

If you haven't experienced a sweet spot for your E2 usign this method, then you

need to consider PLAN B.

PLAN B:

Always attempt PLAN B if PLAN A fails to deliver the goods. Don't skip PLAN B.

For those who supplement using transdermal T, reduce your maximum daily T levels

by taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-daily-dosage-of-T, twice per day.

For those who supplement using injected T ester (eg: T cypionate), reduce your

maximum weekly T levels by either:

a) taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice-per-week,

or

taking less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, once-every-3-days.

###

* This will definitely reduce your peak T levels, while still ensuring that your

minimum T levels do not drop.

* The additional reduction in max T levels, without reducing your minimum T

levels, will further allow your E2 levels to reduce, and hopefully that's enough

to find your E2 sweet spot.

* The equivalent mechanism for those who supplement using injected T esters (eg:

testosterone cypionate) is to take

less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice per week, or

less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, every 3 days.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN C.

PLAN C: ( OPTIONAL)

This option is only available if you initially started out on a transdermal

formulation of T.

Switch from using a transdermal formulation of T to using an injected form of T

ester - eg: " T cyp " (testosterone cypionate).

Initially try once-per-week dosing, but switch to twice-per-week, or

once-every-3-days dosing if you need to lower E2 levels even further.

###

* Our body makes E2 out of T, using the " aromatase " enzyme, and we have high

concentrations of aromatase enzymes in our subcutaneous body fat.

* The transdermal forumations of T convert into more E2 and DHT than the

injected T esters, because the transdermal formulations place the T in close

proximity to the large concentration of aromatase enzymes in our body fat, while

the injected T esters are designed for intra-muscular injection (not

subcutanoues) and therefore the T is placed a long long way from those aromate

enzymes in our body fat.

* After switching from transdermal T to injected T esters, your E2 levels should

also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which suits

your sexual performance goals, but the stability of your E2 levels still depends

on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

* Initially try once-per-week dosing as discussed in PLAN B for T cyp users.

* If using once-per-week dosing continues to result in too high maximum levels

of T, while you are trying to ensure that your minimum T throughout the week is

still above your minimum requirements for T, then you will need to add back the

PLAN B multiple-times-per-week dosing - even for T cyp.

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN D.

PLAN D:

This alternative is to adjust both your T and HCG dosages, and use arimidex /

anastrozole to optimize E2.

But you should still be implementing the multiple-times-per-day dosing

methodology from PLAN B and the final stage of PLAN C

###

* This is not a trivial concept. You will be messing with T and E2 levels for

months.

* The most important concept with arimidex / anastrozole supplementtion is very

reliable and accurate dosing. I very strongly recommend that you and your

medical professional adviser adopt a more frequent dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole than once-every-two-days, ie: by adopting daily dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole, using small-but-reliable doses of compounded arimidex /

anastrozole.

....This is detailed here:

....http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...6 & postcount=31

* You may find that you need 0.1mg per day, or 0.15mg per day, or 0.2mg per day,

instead of 0.5mg every second day.

* After adjusting arimidex dosages and T dosages, you will definitely discover

occasional optimum T versus E2 balance, and with that you will achieve

occasional optimum sexual performance. Whether you can maintain that optimum

sexual performance for the majority of each week is dependant on how stable your

E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T

levels.

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN E.

PLAN E:

Boost T even less than before, and boost GH to provide the additional damage

tolerance lost from the reduction in T levels.

But continue to maintain using the multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology

used in the final stages of the previous plans.

But back off the arimidex / anastrozole completely.

###

* Both T and GH trigger many of the same repairs (not 100% overlap) so you can

safely reduce T, if you boost GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, you further reduce the rate of

conversion of T into E2. This assumes you reduce your supplemental T dosage when

you add in the boost to GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, your T and E2 levels will be more

stable, and you'll find it easier to find your sweet spot for E2.

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN F.

PLAN F

This is simply the combination of PLAN E (GH boost, multiple times-per-day/week

dosing) plus compounded arimidex / anastrozole.

###

* This should only be necessary if:

....a) you haven't been able to afford sufficient recombinant GH to allow you to

reduce your T levels by an adequate amount.

or

.... your can only afford GHRP-6, not recombinant GH, and your body's response

to the GHRP-6 is inadequate amounts of GH.

..

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Last edited by chilln; 16 Hours Ago at 07:12 PM.

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Phil

> From: ed <edhill_2006@...>

> Subject: Re: E2 & DIM question

>

> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 8:51 AM

>

> Really, that's interesting! It was suggested by some on

> here that it does lower estrogen. I have been taking it for

> about a week and a half, and haven't noticed too much yet,

> although after taking Viagra last night, there was somewhat

> more of an effect. I started experiencing low libido and ED

> about a year ago, after quitting Zoloft which I was on for 7

> years. I must point out that I don't have complete

> dysfunction, just weak erections, and sometimes it takes a

> while to get up. Thanks goodness for Viagra. But I noticed

> after a while that it stopped working, but then started

> working again after a period of time. It was a mystery to

> me. At first I thought that maybe I built up a tolerance,

> but then when it started working again, that smashed that

> theory! Had my T tested 3 weeks ago, it was 382. I am 55,

> and my doctor said that this was ok. Then I found this

> forum, and started reading about the testosterone/estrogen

> relationship. I saw your youtube video. I am convinced that

> my E is on the high side due to my erratic ED symptoms. I am

> going to give Chrysin a try. I called three endo doctors

> yesterday, and all said that I need to be referred by my

> general practitioner. I have a feeling my doctor doesn't

> know too much about this topic, because he never mentioned

> testing my E. I am 5'11 " and 210, and have slowly been

> losing weight, as I have really got serious about exercising

> as of late. Maybe after taking the chrysin, and losing

> weight, I will not have to take Viagra again. Thank goodness

> for the generic Viagra from Canada.

>

>    

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I've notice comparing labs 4 months apart that

> Esterdiol has gone from 20

> > > to 42, Thyroid T3 has fallen as well as

> Testosterone levels. My Doctor has

> > > increased both Cytomel and Testosterone. TShe

> noticed the Esterdiol rise and

> > > said it was nothing to worry about. If I take DIM

> to lower Esterdiol will it

> > > just lower both T's as well?

> > > Thanks for all your help.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> > Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging &

> Preventive Medical Group

> > 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> > Santa , CA 90405

> > TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> > EMAIL: kullismd@...

> > WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I do not have lab levels to report.But before I was taking Indoplex DIM and TMG

I would have difficuly maintaing an erection even with levitra.I have been on

TRt for around 9 mths taking biweekly injections.Now I can maintain a strong

erection without levitra, and have numerous spontaneous erections all thru the

day.So I can only assume my estradiol levels are optimal.My body fat stays very

low and my test dosage is constant.So for this I must disagree with your

assessment. Phil

>

> >

> >

> > I've notice comparing labs 4 months apart that Esterdiol has gone from 20

> > to 42, Thyroid T3 has fallen as well as Testosterone levels. My Doctor has

> > increased both Cytomel and Testosterone. TShe noticed the Esterdiol rise and

> > said it was nothing to worry about. If I take DIM to lower Esterdiol will it

> > just lower both T's as well?

> > Thanks for all your help.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging & Preventive Medical Group

> 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> Santa , CA 90405

> TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> EMAIL: kullismd@...

> WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/27/2010 8:01:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

wilcox.scott@... writes:

This is a PERFECT example of why this group exists. Personally, I'll take

the word of a seasoned lab rat any day over that of a book educated expert.

And by the way Dr., maybe you would be kind enough to tell us which one

of these organizations you are speaking for today????

Karlis Ullis , M.D.’s Honors:

On advisory board for Pfizer on Erectile Dysfunction , Solvay Corp -

AndroGel(Tetosterone ) Advisory Board and Auxillium Corp for Tetsim (their

Testosterone Product)

In my experience, as a patient of Dr. Ullis, you are bashing an honest

person. To give an example, my TRT Rx from Dr. Ullis is NOT for AndroGel or

for Testim, but for good old fashioned depo-testosterone. He has never

attempted to push any particular product on me. If you disagree re:DIM (I don't

know exactly what it does), fine, but argue about the subject as opposed to

assuming, incorrectly, that there is some nefarious ulterior motive

involved...

[Guest guest]

This is a PERFECT example of why this group exists. Personally, I'll take the

word of a seasoned lab rat any day over that of a book educated expert.  And by

the way Dr., maybe you would be kind enough to tell us which one of these

organizations you are speaking for today????

 

 

Karlis Ullis , M.D.’s Honors:

On advisory board for Pfizer on Erectile Dysfunction , Solvay Corp -

AndroGel(Tetosterone ) Advisory Board and Auxillium Corp for Tetsim (their

Testosterone Product)

From: phil <phildude43@...>

Subject: Re: E2 & DIM question

Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:01 AM

 

I do not have lab levels to report.But before I was taking Indoplex DIM and TMG

I would have difficuly maintaing an erection even with levitra.I have been on

TRt for around 9 mths taking biweekly injections.Now I can maintain a strong

erection without levitra, and have numerous spontaneous erections all thru the

day.So I can only assume my estradiol levels are optimal.My body fat stays very

low and my test dosage is constant.So for this I must disagree with your

assessment. Phil

>

> >

> >

> > I've notice comparing labs 4 months apart that Esterdiol has gone from 20

> > to 42, Thyroid T3 has fallen as well as Testosterone levels. My Doctor has

> > increased both Cytomel and Testosterone. TShe noticed the Esterdiol rise and

> > said it was nothing to worry about. If I take DIM to lower Esterdiol will it

> > just lower both T's as well?

> > Thanks for all your help.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging & Preventive Medical Group

> 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> Santa , CA 90405

> TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> EMAIL: kullismd@...

> WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Throught my experiences Many Docs give me like 3 min of their time and seem

preoccupied with making more cash.

But Dr helps his patients at a very modest price. That's very addmirable of

him.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: E2 & DIM question

Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:01 AM

 

I do not have lab levels to report.But before I was taking Indoplex DIM and TMG

I would have difficuly maintaing an erection even with levitra.I have been on

TRt for around 9 mths taking biweekly injections.Now I can maintain a strong

erection without levitra, and have numerous spontaneous erections all thru the

day.So I can only assume my estradiol levels are optimal.My body fat stays very

low and my test dosage is constant.So for this I must disagree with your

assessment. Phil

>

> >

> >

> > I've notice comparing labs 4 months apart that Esterdiol has gone from 20

> > to 42, Thyroid T3 has fallen as well as Testosterone levels. My Doctor has

> > increased both Cytomel and Testosterone. TShe noticed the Esterdiol rise and

> > said it was nothing to worry about. If I take DIM to lower Esterdiol will it

> > just lower both T's as well?

> > Thanks for all your help.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging & Preventive Medical Group

> 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> Santa , CA 90405

> TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> EMAIL: kullismd@...

> WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I could have taken a nice long vacation with the money I have spent so

far seeing worthless doctors. Oh well, live and learn I guess.

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Throught my experiences Many Docs give me like 3 min of their time and seem

> preoccupied with making more cash.

>

> But Dr helps his patients at a very modest price. That's very

> addmirable of him.

>

>

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: E2 & DIM question

> < %40>

> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:01 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I do not have lab levels to report.But before I was taking Indoplex DIM and

> TMG I would have difficuly maintaing an erection even with levitra.I have

> been on TRt for around 9 mths taking biweekly injections.Now I can maintain

> a strong erection without levitra, and have numerous spontaneous erections

> all thru the day.So I can only assume my estradiol levels are optimal.My

> body fat stays very low and my test dosage is constant.So for this I must

> disagree with your assessment. Phil

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I've notice comparing labs 4 months apart that Esterdiol has gone from

> 20

> > > to 42, Thyroid T3 has fallen as well as Testosterone levels. My Doctor

> has

> > > increased both Cytomel and Testosterone. TShe noticed the Esterdiol

> rise and

> > > said it was nothing to worry about. If I take DIM to lower Esterdiol

> will it

> > > just lower both T's as well?

> > > Thanks for all your help.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> > Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging & Preventive Medical Group

> > 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> > Santa , CA 90405

> > TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> > EMAIL: kullismd@...

> > WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I apologize if my comment was misread to be directed at Dr. Ulis. I was

simply making a general statement (well, more of a vent than a statement,

but you get the idea). I have never been seen by Dr. Ulis, so I'm not in a

position to form any opinion on his practice.

Thanks,

Mike

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Throught my experiences Many Docs give me like 3 min of their time and seem

> preoccupied with making more cash.

>

> But Dr helps his patients at a very modest price. That's very

> addmirable of him.

>

>

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: E2 & DIM question

> < %40>

> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:01 AM

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>

>

> I do not have lab levels to report.But before I was taking Indoplex DIM and

> TMG I would have difficuly maintaing an erection even with levitra.I have

> been on TRt for around 9 mths taking biweekly injections.Now I can maintain

> a strong erection without levitra, and have numerous spontaneous erections

> all thru the day.So I can only assume my estradiol levels are optimal.My

> body fat stays very low and my test dosage is constant.So for this I must

> disagree with your assessment. Phil

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > I've notice comparing labs 4 months apart that Esterdiol has gone from

> 20

> > > to 42, Thyroid T3 has fallen as well as Testosterone levels. My Doctor

> has

> > > increased both Cytomel and Testosterone. TShe noticed the Esterdiol

> rise and

> > > said it was nothing to worry about. If I take DIM to lower Esterdiol

> will it

> > > just lower both T's as well?

> > > Thanks for all your help.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Karlis C. Ullis, MD

> > Medical Director: Sports Medicine, Anti-Aging & Preventive Medical Group

> > 2701 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 101

> > Santa , CA 90405

> > TEL: [310.452.1990]; FAX: [310.452.5134];

> > EMAIL: kullismd@...

> > WEB: www.drkarlisullis.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/28/2010 8:45:01 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

wilcox.scott@... writes:

Your response clearly reveals your limited knowledge on this subject.

Good old depo testosterone???? Really, which one??? Cypionate, enthanate

or sustanon 250???

Actually, you are the person who seems not to get it. Depo-Testosterone is

a brand name (Pfizer) for testosterone cypionate. Sustanon 250 is not

Depo-Testosterone. Testosterone enanthate is not Depo-Testosterone.

[Guest guest]

Your response clearly reveals your limited knowledge on this subject.  Good old

depo testosterone????   Really, which one???   Cypionate, enthanate or

sustanon 250???  I've been prescribed each of them and I can tell you that they

all have their benefits. Each has different properties and characteristics and

affect people in a different way. Personally, I am glad that the " standard " TRT

has worked for you but that application is not effective for everyone as

evidenced on this forum.

 

The information I posted about the Dr. is publically available and was

apparently supplied by Dr. Ullis himself.  So if there is a problem with it's

validity, I am not to blame. In fact if the information is correct, I

personally, as I am sure many others would, have a problem with his honesty,

neutrality, and lack of disclosure.  Simply put, he cannot provide an honest,

neutral medical opinion or diagnosis and at the same time participate as an

" advisor " with the companies he claims to be associated with. It is a clear

conflict of interest.  No more, no less.  He also fails to disclose that he is

not just the Director of the clinic listed in his 'sig' file but is in fact the

owner. That non disclosure is intentional, and constitutes a gross

misrepresentation to the prospective clientele.  Again, I am glad that your TRT

worked well for you but due to Dr Ullis's undisclosed " for profit " interests, I

will view his words and recommendations with

caution.

From: WithBACON@... <WithBACON@...>

Subject: Re: Re: E2 & DIM question

Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 10:11 PM

 

In a message dated 5/27/2010 8:01:58 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

wilcox.scott@... writes:

This is a PERFECT example of why this group exists. Personally, I'll take

the word of a seasoned lab rat any day over that of a book educated expert.

And by the way Dr., maybe you would be kind enough to tell us which one

of these organizations you are speaking for today????

Karlis Ullis , M.D.’s Honors:

On advisory board for Pfizer on Erectile Dysfunction , Solvay Corp -

AndroGel(Tetosterone ) Advisory Board and Auxillium Corp for Tetsim (their

Testosterone Product)

In my experience, as a patient of Dr. Ullis, you are bashing an honest

person. To give an example, my TRT Rx from Dr. Ullis is NOT for AndroGel or for

Testim, but for good old fashioned depo-testosterone. He has never

attempted to push any particular product on me. If you disagree re:DIM (I don't

know exactly what it does), fine, but argue about the subject as opposed to

assuming, incorrectly, that there is some nefarious ulterior motive involved...