Question for those on TRT already

[Guest guest]

I read this group daily, and I find a lot of good info here BTW,.....best thing

I have found to date.

What I am preparing for is what it seems that many, if not most of you seem to

go through with their docs and insurance.

I feel I will have no problem having my estrogen levels checked, nor a wider T

test done that includes SHBG, but after that I just don't know.

I am shocked at the number of tests that some of you have done, and the

frequency that they are repeated.

I have also noticed a couple of docs that input here, and that is very nice of

them. Seems they are possibly the ones that don't take insurance

though,.......maybe I am wrong?

Once again, the number of tests they suggest is staggering to me. Seems like you

fix one thing, and then something else gets out of whack and has to be

corrected. Sounds like a never ending circle of tests and drugs.

I guess what I am really wondering is how many of you have to pay for most of

this stuff out of pocket, and roughly what it costs you on a monthly basis to

have all of these blood tests done over and over, and for all of the meds and

supplements you guys take!!

Not being negative per se, just wanting to get an idea of what all of this might

possibly cost me if my insurance won't cover it, or my doc won't order all of

this stuff as recommended here.

I realize I am getting ahead of my individual situation, but I always like to be

prepared first.

[Guest guest]

If you go to the members list you will see a ton of members here the avg. guys

feel better and don't post anymore Army guy is one of them. So the guys you see

posting are in bad shape like myself or new.

Most men don't need labs after they get tuned up but every 6 months some go a

year. Don't let all this upset you you do what you can the best you can and go

from there.

Most men only need to get there Total T levels up into the upper 1/3 of there

labs range and keep there E2 Estradiol levels in the sweet spot and this is it

they feel dam good and stop posting.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Question for those on TRT already

>

> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 2:03 PM

> I read this group daily, and I find a

> lot of good info here BTW,.....best thing I have found to

> date.

>

> What I am preparing for is what it seems that many, if not

> most of you seem to go through with their docs and

> insurance.

>

> I feel I will have no problem having my estrogen levels

> checked, nor a wider T test done that includes SHBG, but

> after that I just don't know.

> I am shocked at the number of tests that some of you have

> done, and the frequency that they are repeated.

>

> I have also noticed a couple of docs that input here, and

> that is very nice of them. Seems they are possibly the ones

> that don't take insurance though,.......maybe I am wrong?

> Once again, the number of tests they suggest is staggering

> to me. Seems like you fix one thing, and then something else

> gets out of whack and has to be corrected. Sounds like a

> never ending circle of tests and drugs.

>

> I guess what I am really wondering is how many of you have

> to pay for most of this stuff out of pocket, and roughly

> what it costs you on a monthly basis to have all of these

> blood tests done over and over, and for all of the meds and

> supplements you guys take!!

>

> Not being negative per se, just wanting to get an idea of

> what all of this might possibly cost me if my insurance

> won't cover it, or my doc won't order all of this stuff as

> recommended here.

> I realize I am getting ahead of my individual situation,

> but I always like to be prepared first.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do my tests every 6 months and my insurance only pays for my thyroid meds and

my testosterone injection 10ml bottle usually is good for 6 months or so for me.

But I pay for my HCG and other supplements like DIM, Zinc etc.

I figured it to cost me about a $150 a month and 130 from my pocket but I think

its worth instead of all painful communication with the insurance company.

The only issue I still have is Estroidol. Looks like DIM doesnt work for me that

great as I am Hypothyroid.

>

> I read this group daily, and I find a lot of good info here BTW,.....best

thing I have found to date.

>

> What I am preparing for is what it seems that many, if not most of you seem to

go through with their docs and insurance.

>

> I feel I will have no problem having my estrogen levels checked, nor a wider T

test done that includes SHBG, but after that I just don't know.

> I am shocked at the number of tests that some of you have done, and the

frequency that they are repeated.

>

> I have also noticed a couple of docs that input here, and that is very nice of

them. Seems they are possibly the ones that don't take insurance

though,.......maybe I am wrong?

> Once again, the number of tests they suggest is staggering to me. Seems like

you fix one thing, and then something else gets out of whack and has to be

corrected. Sounds like a never ending circle of tests and drugs.

>

> I guess what I am really wondering is how many of you have to pay for most of

this stuff out of pocket, and roughly what it costs you on a monthly basis to

have all of these blood tests done over and over, and for all of the meds and

supplements you guys take!!

>

> Not being negative per se, just wanting to get an idea of what all of this

might possibly cost me if my insurance won't cover it, or my doc won't order all

of this stuff as recommended here.

> I realize I am getting ahead of my individual situation, but I always like to

be prepared first.

>

[Guest guest]

Then try Arimidex you can buy this at the ADC or off the web in the liquid

forum.

https://www.alldaychemist.com/search.php

Men that use this us a needle to get the dose 1ml = 1mgs it's called LiquiDex.

http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16135 & cat=248

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 11:46 PM

> I do my tests every 6 months and my

> insurance only pays for my thyroid meds and my testosterone

> injection 10ml bottle usually is good for 6 months or so for

> me.

>

> But I pay for my HCG and other supplements like DIM, Zinc

> etc.

>

> I figured it to cost me about a $150 a month and 130 from

> my pocket but I think its worth instead of all painful

> communication with the insurance company.

>

> The only issue I still have is Estroidol. Looks like DIM

> doesnt work for me that great as I am Hypothyroid.

>

>

> >

> > I read this group daily, and I find a lot of good info

> here BTW,.....best thing I have found to date.

> >

> > What I am preparing for is what it seems that many, if

> not most of you seem to go through with their docs and

> insurance.

> >

> > I feel I will have no problem having my estrogen

> levels checked, nor a wider T test done that includes SHBG,

> but after that I just don't know.

> > I am shocked at the number of tests that some of you

> have done, and the frequency that they are repeated.

> >

> > I have also noticed a couple of docs that input here,

> and that is very nice of them. Seems they are possibly the

> ones that don't take insurance though,.......maybe I am

> wrong?

> > Once again, the number of tests they suggest is

> staggering to me. Seems like you fix one thing, and then

> something else gets out of whack and has to be corrected.

> Sounds like a never ending circle of tests and drugs.

> >

> > I guess what I am really wondering is how many of you

> have to pay for most of this stuff out of pocket, and

> roughly what it costs you on a monthly basis to have all of

> these blood tests done over and over, and for all of the

> meds and supplements you guys take!!

> >

> > Not being negative per se, just wanting to get an idea

> of what all of this might possibly cost me if my insurance

> won't cover it, or my doc won't order all of this stuff as

> recommended here.

> > I realize I am getting ahead of my individual

> situation, but I always like to be prepared first.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Phil. Yeah. I should order it soon.

Coming to posting information ..........yes. You are right. Many people use this

group but do not post much. Sometimes I too feel guilty of not posting but with

too many things going on I post messages once in a while.

I hope everyone will take some time at least once in a while and post messages

to this group so that others and newbes will benefit from our experiences like

we did from others who posted previously.

Thanks

Joe

> > >

> > > I read this group daily, and I find a lot of good info

> > here BTW,.....best thing I have found to date.

> > >

> > > What I am preparing for is what it seems that many, if

> > not most of you seem to go through with their docs and

> > insurance.

> > >

> > > I feel I will have no problem having my estrogen

> > levels checked, nor a wider T test done that includes SHBG,

> > but after that I just don't know.

> > > I am shocked at the number of tests that some of you

> > have done, and the frequency that they are repeated.

> > >

> > > I have also noticed a couple of docs that input here,

> > and that is very nice of them. Seems they are possibly the

> > ones that don't take insurance though,.......maybe I am

> > wrong?

> > > Once again, the number of tests they suggest is

> > staggering to me. Seems like you fix one thing, and then

> > something else gets out of whack and has to be corrected.

> > Sounds like a never ending circle of tests and drugs.

> > >

> > > I guess what I am really wondering is how many of you

> > have to pay for most of this stuff out of pocket, and

> > roughly what it costs you on a monthly basis to have all of

> > these blood tests done over and over, and for all of the

> > meds and supplements you guys take!!

> > >

> > > Not being negative per se, just wanting to get an idea

> > of what all of this might possibly cost me if my insurance

> > won't cover it, or my doc won't order all of this stuff as

> > recommended here.

> > > I realize I am getting ahead of my individual

> > situation, but I always like to be prepared first.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, I am a newbie that has received a lot of info, and I intend to keep

reporting on what is taking place with me, and how things go after I get started

on whatever I end up on.

Just finished my last cardio related test this AM, and it was a waste as I

figured. My cardiologist doc ordered a 'leg study' also due to the pain I have

been having in my calves after any type of strenuous activity. I figured it was

my low T and it appears to have been. The clinician siad that everything was

fine in my legs as far as the vascular structure goes.

They have you lay down on a table with BP cuffs on your arms, thighs, calves,

ankles,.....and even a sensor on the big toe. They take BP readings, and then

toss you on a treadmill at 3 mph/10 degree incline for 15 minutes. You lay down

again quickly, and they check all of the readings again as well as use an

ultrasound unit on different points in your legs.

I know this is not T related, but thought some might be interested!

I see him Tuesday at 6:00PM,......that is when I am going to give him those 2

codes for bloodwork, and go over my thoughts on all of this.

I will also find out what my MRI showed if anything.

This is a very helpful site IMHO.

[Guest guest]

Keep us posted.

I'm curious how old are you and what are your Syptoma?

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Re: Question for those on TRT already

Well, I am a newbie that has received a lot of info, and I intend to keep

reporting on what is taking place with me, and how things go after I get started

on whatever I end up on.

Just finished my last cardio related test this AM, and it was a waste as I

figured. My cardiologist doc ordered a 'leg study' also due to the pain I have

been having in my calves after any type of strenuous activity. I figured it was

my low T and it appears to have been. The clinician siad that everything was

fine in my legs as far as the vascular structure goes.

They have you lay down on a table with BP cuffs on your arms, thighs, calves,

ankles,.....and even a sensor on the big toe. They take BP readings, and then

toss you on a treadmill at 3 mph/10 degree incline for 15 minutes. You lay down

again quickly, and they check all of the readings again as well as use an

ultrasound unit on different points in your legs.

I know this is not T related, but thought some might be interested!

I see him Tuesday at 6:00PM,......that is when I am going to give him those 2

codes for bloodwork, and go over my thoughts on all of this.

I will also find out what my MRI showed if anything.

This is a very helpful site IMHO.

[Guest guest]

Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a number of pages back now I

assume.

Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have muscle and joint pains from

what used to be the slightest things to me.

Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing size as well.

I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was always well built and

very strong with defined muscles. Still get morning wood, but only a few days a

week instead of everyday.

I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to be honest. It's not worth

the hassle.

My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is building a small amount of

fat there. I hope I am not getting gyno!!

Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my last Total T of 209 is what

caused the MRI to be done. The cardio related tests are simply what my doc does

at intervals on me due to family history.

My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil said my pituitary should be

dumping LH like crazy with a Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as I suspect that might be my

problem. If not I believe it is secondary from what I have read. Tuesday should

tell me the results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an estrogen blocker, TRT, or

something else. I HAVE followed the advice her though, and am trying to find out

the cause before I go on T in any form.

[Guest guest]

I think the TRT will help you.

Just make sure you get baselines on everything.

Good luck.

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Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a number of pages back now I

assume.

Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have muscle and joint pains from

what used to be the slightest things to me.

Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing size as well.

I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was always well built and

very strong with defined muscles. Still get morning wood, but only a few days a

week instead of everyday.

I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to be honest. It's not worth

the hassle.

My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is building a small amount of

fat there. I hope I am not getting gyno!!

Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my last Total T of 209 is what

caused the MRI to be done. The cardio related tests are simply what my doc does

at intervals on me due to family history.

My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil said my pituitary should be

dumping LH like crazy with a Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as I suspect that might be my

problem. If not I believe it is secondary from what I have read. Tuesday should

tell me the results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an estrogen blocker, TRT, or

something else. I HAVE followed the advice her though, and am trying to find out

the cause before I go on T in any form.

[Guest guest]

I really think you should bite the bullet and go see Dr .

I know you don't want to be on TRT and I can't blame you. I don't to be on it

either.

Maybe Dr and get you going again without TRT.

I remember you saying you don't want to fly there, but this is your health its

more important than not wanting to go.

Ill let you know how my visit goes.

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Re: Question for those on TRT already

Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a number of pages back now I

assume.

Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have muscle and joint pains from

what used to be the slightest things to me.

Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing size as well.

I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was always well built and

very strong with defined muscles. Still get morning wood, but only a few days a

week instead of everyday.

I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to be honest. It's not worth

the hassle.

My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is building a small amount of

fat there. I hope I am not getting gyno!!

Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my last Total T of 209 is what

caused the MRI to be done. The cardio related tests are simply what my doc does

at intervals on me due to family history.

My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil said my pituitary should be

dumping LH like crazy with a Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as I suspect that might be my

problem. If not I believe it is secondary from what I have read. Tuesday should

tell me the results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an estrogen blocker, TRT, or

something else. I HAVE followed the advice her though, and am trying to find out

the cause before I go on T in any form.

[Guest guest]

Marc, my two cents worth.Been on TRT for about 9 mths and added HCG about 3 mths

ago.What a difference in my quailty of life.I enjoyed sex but would choose a lot

of other things over it.Not anymore.Another thing in jan 08 I weighed 260 on a

good day.I am a little over 6'1 " .Began a diabetic diet, extrememly low carbs and

high sat fat.Now low 190's and about 15 of that is fluid retention from

TRT.Having very little body fat IMO helps a lot in keeping estrogen down.Nothing

tastes better than being lean is my motto.You can get some expert guidance on

this board (I;m not one) but TRT made me a man again.Oh, knocking on 55. Phil

>

>

>

> Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

> I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a number of pages back now I

assume.

>

> Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have muscle and joint pains

from what used to be the slightest things to me.

> Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing size as well.

>

> I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was always well built and

very strong with defined muscles. Still get morning wood, but only a few days a

week instead of everyday.

> I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to be honest. It's not

worth the hassle.

>

> My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is building a small amount of

fat there. I hope I am not getting gyno!!

> Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my last Total T of 209 is

what caused the MRI to be done. The cardio related tests are simply what my doc

does at intervals on me due to family history.

>

> My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil said my pituitary should

be dumping LH like crazy with a Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

>

> Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as I suspect that might be

my problem. If not I believe it is secondary from what I have read. Tuesday

should tell me the results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

>

> I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an estrogen blocker, TRT,

or something else. I HAVE followed the advice her though, and am trying to find

out the cause before I go on T in any form.

>

[Guest guest]

I might have to be on TRT, I'm 26 and tried to cycle TRT with Nolvadex. I messed

up my body.

So I'm going to see Dr and see if he can help me.

My T is pretty high, but I have many symptoms of Low T. While listening to Dr

s lecture, he has seen peeps like me who have good natural levels of T but

experience the same symptoms.

I hope he can fix me up.

Marc

PS there are two Marc' s here.

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Re: Question for those on TRT already

Marc, my two cents worth.Been on TRT for about 9 mths and added HCG about 3 mths

ago.What a difference in my quailty of life.I enjoyed sex but would choose a lot

of other things over it.Not anymore.Another thing in jan 08 I weighed 260 on a

good day.I am a little over 6'1 " .Began a diabetic diet, extrememly low carbs and

high sat fat.Now low 190's and about 15 of that is fluid retention from

TRT.Having very little body fat IMO helps a lot in keeping estrogen down.Nothing

tastes better than being lean is my motto.You can get some expert guidance on

this board (I;m not one) but TRT made me a man again.Oh, knocking on 55. Phil

>

>

>

> Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

> I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a number of pages back now I

assume.

>

> Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have muscle and joint pains

from what used to be the slightest things to me.

> Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing size as well.

>

> I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was always well built and

very strong with defined muscles. Still get morning wood, but only a few days a

week instead of everyday.

> I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to be honest. It's not

worth the hassle.

>

> My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is building a small amount of

fat there. I hope I am not getting gyno!!

> Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my last Total T of 209 is

what caused the MRI to be done. The cardio related tests are simply what my doc

does at intervals on me due to family history.

>

> My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil said my pituitary should

be dumping LH like crazy with a Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

>

> Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as I suspect that might be

my problem. If not I believe it is secondary from what I have read. Tuesday

should tell me the results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

>

> I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an estrogen blocker, TRT,

or something else. I HAVE followed the advice her though, and am trying to find

out the cause before I go on T in any form.

>

[Guest guest]

I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly to

see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe you

can tell me after your visit.

In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

I am open to about anything at this point.

I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again I

don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

[Guest guest]

You only have to see him once in your life.

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I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly to

see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe you

can tell me after your visit.

In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

I am open to about anything at this point.

I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again I

don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

[Guest guest]

THX Marc. I hope everything works out for you too.

Maybe you can have your Doc consult with Crisler. Then you don't have to fly

there

One more thing what type of Doc are you seeing right now?

Like you, if I have to be on TRT for the rest of my life, ill do it.

But I will explore all other avenues first.

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I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly to

see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe you

can tell me after your visit.

In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

I am open to about anything at this point.

I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again I

don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

[Guest guest]

Phil,......and there are two Phil's here as well!

I am mainly trying to find out what my problem is before starting TRT in any

form. I am NOT adverse to it by any means if I need it.

I still get 'turned on' and get a woodie and have sex. It just isn't the same

for me though. I used to be VERY active, and now I would just as soon go to

sleep early when it is up to me.

That has never been like me, but is only a small part of the issue.

I work in a very physical trade, and I can hardly drag my rear into the house

some days anymore. I need reasonable strength and endurance to do what I do, and

it is leaving me rapidly. Not putting down body-builders by any means, but at my

age I am not into that in the least. I always worked out, and was in great

shape, but I don't have the energy anymore after working.

I am not over weight either,.....at least not yet.

About 6 feet tall, and 186 pounds. Only fat on me is an extra 5 pounds in the

'spare-tire' region, and a little building in my chest area. I am on the way to

quitting my beer drinking totally, as i have read many articles about alcohol,

and especially beer hops mimicking female hormones like soy does.

[Guest guest]

I saw that article. Give up the beers Maybe use wine to help stopping the beer.

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Phil,......and there are two Phil's here as well!

I am mainly trying to find out what my problem is before starting TRT in any

form. I am NOT adverse to it by any means if I need it.

I still get 'turned on' and get a woodie and have sex. It just isn't the same

for me though. I used to be VERY active, and now I would just as soon go to

sleep early when it is up to me.

That has never been like me, but is only a small part of the issue.

I work in a very physical trade, and I can hardly drag my rear into the house

some days anymore. I need reasonable strength and endurance to do what I do, and

it is leaving me rapidly. Not putting down body-builders by any means, but at my

age I am not into that in the least. I always worked out, and was in great

shape, but I don't have the energy anymore after working.

I am not over weight either,.....at least not yet.

About 6 feet tall, and 186 pounds. Only fat on me is an extra 5 pounds in the

'spare-tire' region, and a little building in my chest area. I am on the way to

quitting my beer drinking totally, as i have read many articles about alcohol,

and especially beer hops mimicking female hormones like soy does.

[Guest guest]

Believe it or not my doc I speak of is a Cardiologist.

My GP is a dolt that thinks I simply need to accept getting older, and what I

have done for years is responsible for getting me here early.

I saw a Urologist as well for a short bout of prostatitis and he wanted to

simply start me on Testim with no further tests needed. He was simply looking at

my Total T and nothing else. I tried to talk to him, and could tell he was

simply wanting to prescribe Testim.

I asked my cardiologist if he would handle this issue, and work with

me,.......he said yes. I had no idea you were only 26 Marc,.....I feel real bad

for you and wish you the best with this. I was prime until a year ago or so.

>

>

> THX Marc. I hope everything works out for you too.

>

> Maybe you can have your Doc consult with Crisler. Then you don't have to fly

there

>

> One more thing what type of Doc are you seeing right now?

>

> Like you, if I have to be on TRT for the rest of my life, ill do it.

>

> But I will explore all other avenues first.

>

>

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

>

>

> I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

>

> I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly

to see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe

you can tell me after your visit.

>

> In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

> I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

>

> I am open to about anything at this point.

> I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

> Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again I

don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

> I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

>

> I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Its been rough for me for the past year. I made a mistake and I realize that

and I am paying the price.

My symptoms are ED (sometimes I can get a decent erection), libido is almost

gone. My body has changed in composition. I put on lot of weight around my

waist. I'm 6,1 and 230. At this weight I should be a 36 but I'm stilll 34

I got my latest bloodwork back. Ill post it later.

I worry about going on TRT at such a young age. But I can't go on like this.

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Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

>

>

> I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

>

> I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly

to see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe

you can tell me after your visit.

>

> In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

> I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

>

> I am open to about anything at this point.

> I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

> Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again I

don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

> I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

>

> I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marc,.....I was 6'1 " when I was younger, but my bad back is shrinking me per se.

the MOST I ever weighed at that height was 210, and I was solid muscle with even

abdominal def to a degree. I wore a 32 " waist at that point.

I am now wearing 33 " but it is not bad compared to a lot of other guys I know. I

am very sorry to hear about what you may have done to yourself, but you don't

really know if your BB activities were the cause for sure. Nature and genes

plays some bad tricks on us at times.

In your case for sure,....I think you are going to see the right person, and I

hope to hear great things after your visit. A person your age should not have to

go through this, but life is not always fair bud.

Wishing you the best in all ways, and I hope that you will never do again what

you did before. I don't understand all the BB talk but I assume that you dosed

yourself with something.

> >

> >

> > THX Marc. I hope everything works out for you too.

> >

> > Maybe you can have your Doc consult with Crisler. Then you don't have to

fly there

> >

> > One more thing what type of Doc are you seeing right now?

> >

> > Like you, if I have to be on TRT for the rest of my life, ill do it.

> >

> > But I will explore all other avenues first.

> >

> >

> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> >

> > Re: Question for those on TRT already

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

> >

> > I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly

to see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe

you can tell me after your visit.

> >

> > In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

> > I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

> >

> > I am open to about anything at this point.

> > I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

> > Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again

I don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

> > I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

> >

> > I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I was completely healthy and in the prime of my life and just got done losing 70

lbs. I wanted to do a cycle of steroids but wanted to get them legally. So I

went to a TRt doc and got some compounded t cream took that for about a month,

then bought Nolvadex from the internet. BBers use this to get natural T prod

back.

But I messed up and in turn messed me up.

I went through a really bad depression and lost the girl of my dreams. Almost

didn't want to live anymore.

But I am fighting back now, going to see Crisler, I hope he can help me.

Thank you for kinds words, it means a lot, I have no one to talk to about this.

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Re: Question for those on TRT already

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

> >

> > I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly

to see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe

you can tell me after your visit.

> >

> > In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

> > I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

> >

> > I am open to about anything at this point.

> > I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

> > Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again

I don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

> > I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

> >

> > I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I had them tests after I had heart bypass sugary and my legs are fine yet I have

a little loss of feeling in my feet. I now think it's from holding water. I am

on to kinds of water pills the water is down and the feeling is back in my hands

and feet.

I just hope when I start back on HGH tomorrow I don't start holding water again.

I am going back on it at half the dose I was taking .3mgs. will be doing .15

mgs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

> Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:48 PM

>

>

> Well, I am a newbie that has received a lot of info, and I

> intend to keep reporting on what is taking place with me,

> and how things go after I get started on whatever I end up

> on.

>

> Just finished my last cardio related test this AM, and it

> was a waste as I figured. My cardiologist doc ordered a 'leg

> study' also due to the pain I have been having in my calves

> after any type of strenuous activity. I figured it was my

> low T and it appears to have been. The clinician siad that

> everything was fine in my legs as far as the vascular

> structure goes.

>

> They have you lay down on a table with BP cuffs on your

> arms, thighs, calves, ankles,.....and even a sensor on the

> big toe. They take BP readings, and then toss you on a

> treadmill at 3 mph/10 degree incline for 15 minutes. You lay

> down again quickly, and they check all of the readings again

> as well as use an ultrasound unit on different points in

> your legs.

> I know this is not T related, but thought some might be

> interested!

>

> I see him Tuesday at 6:00PM,......that is when I am going

> to give him those 2 codes for bloodwork, and go over my

> thoughts on all of this.

> I will also find out what my MRI showed if anything.

>

> This is a very helpful site IMHO.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Way to go Phil I am so happy for you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: phil <phildude43@...>

> Subject: Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

> Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 2:49 PM

> Marc, my two cents worth.Been on TRT

> for about 9 mths and added HCG about 3 mths ago.What a

> difference in my quailty of life.I enjoyed sex but would

> choose a lot of other things over it.Not anymore.Another

> thing in jan 08 I weighed  260 on a good day.I am a

> little over 6'1 " .Began a diabetic diet, extrememly low carbs

> and high sat fat.Now low 190's and about 15 of that is fluid

> retention from TRT.Having very little body fat IMO helps a

> lot in keeping estrogen down.Nothing tastes better than

> being lean is my motto.You can get some expert guidance on

> this board (I;m not one) but TRT made me a man again.Oh,

> knocking on 55.    Phil

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

> > I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a

> number of pages back now I assume.

> >

> > Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have

> muscle and joint pains from what used to be the slightest

> things to me.

> > Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing

> size as well.

> >

> > I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was

> always well built and very strong with defined muscles.

> Still get morning wood, but only a few days a week instead

> of everyday.

> > I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to

> be honest. It's not worth the hassle.

> >

> > My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is

> building a small amount of fat there. I hope I am not

> getting gyno!!

> > Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my

> last Total T of 209 is what caused the MRI to be done. The

> cardio related tests are simply what my doc does at

> intervals on me due to family history.

> >

> > My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil

> said my pituitary should be dumping LH like crazy with a

> Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

> >

> > Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as

> I suspect that might be my problem. If not I believe it is

> secondary from what I have read. Tuesday should tell me the

> results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

> >

> > I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an

> estrogen blocker, TRT, or something else. I HAVE followed

> the advice her though, and am trying to find out the cause

> before I go on T in any form.

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marc if you see Dr. and end up needing TRT at least you know you seen the

best and you need it. Being on TRT is not so bad when you get the right Dr. and

learn about it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

> Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 2:57 PM

>

> I might have to be on TRT, I'm 26 and tried to cycle TRT

> with Nolvadex. I messed up my body.

>

> So I'm going to see Dr and see if he can help me.

>

> My T is pretty high, but I have many symptoms of Low T.

> While listening to Dr s lecture, he has seen peeps like

> me who have good natural levels of T but experience the same

> symptoms.

>

> I hope he can fix me up.

>

> Marc

>

> PS there are two Marc' s here.

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: Question for those on TRT

> already

>

> Marc, my two cents worth.Been on TRT for about 9 mths and

> added HCG about 3 mths ago.What a difference in my quailty

> of life.I enjoyed sex but would choose a lot of other things

> over it.Not anymore.Another thing in jan 08 I weighed 

> 260 on a good day.I am a little over 6'1 " .Began a diabetic

> diet, extrememly low carbs and high sat fat.Now low 190's

> and about 15 of that is fluid retention from TRT.Having very

> little body fat IMO helps a lot in keeping estrogen

> down.Nothing tastes better than being lean is my motto.You

> can get some expert guidance on this board (I;m not one) but

> TRT made me a man again.Oh, knocking on 55.   

> Phil

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

> > I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a

> number of pages back now I assume.

> >

> > Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have

> muscle and joint pains from what used to be the slightest

> things to me.

> > Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing

> size as well.

> >

> > I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was

> always well built and very strong with defined muscles.

> Still get morning wood, but only a few days a week instead

> of everyday.

> > I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to

> be honest. It's not worth the hassle.

> >

> > My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is

> building a small amount of fat there. I hope I am not

> getting gyno!!

> > Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my

> last Total T of 209 is what caused the MRI to be done. The

> cardio related tests are simply what my doc does at

> intervals on me due to family history.

> >

> > My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil

> said my pituitary should be dumping LH like crazy with a

> Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

> >

> > Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as

> I suspect that might be my problem. If not I believe it is

> secondary from what I have read. Tuesday should tell me the

> results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

> >

> > I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an

> estrogen blocker, TRT, or something else. I HAVE followed

> the advice her though, and am trying to find out the cause

> before I go on T in any form.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you asked this Dr. if he will work with Dr. over the phone to test and

treat you he dose this. Or if not after you see him you don't need to go back

he can test and treat you by phone or Email.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

> Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 3:02 PM

>

>

> I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about

> your visit.

>

> I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't

> have the time to fly to see a doc on a regular basis. I

> don't know how he works things,......maybe you can tell me

> after your visit.

>

> In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here

> to lead my 'very cooperative' doc in the right direction on

> all of this.

> I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say

> that makes sense to him. After I get the other blood tests,

> I will be posting them here, and looking for more advice on

> what i should do.

>

> I am open to about anything at this point.

> I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or

> whether I am aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need

> to get that under control.

> Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me

> feel better again I don't care if it might cut my life

> expectancy by a few years.

> I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way

> and worse.

>

> I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>