Question for those on TRT already

[Guest guest]

Phil,....I hope it goes well for you too.

I have never held 'water' myself per se,....no swelling in my legs or hands.

I presume you keep an eye on your glucose levels as some of what you are saying

can be a form of neuropathy. Can come from many things but as much as you

research I am sure you know the cause better than a doc might.

My mother that is 69 gets tingling/numbness in her feet from time to time, and

she is 'borderline' diabetic.

>

> I had them tests after I had heart bypass sugary and my legs are fine yet I

have a little loss of feeling in my feet. I now think it's from holding water.

I am on to kinds of water pills the water is down and the feeling is back in my

hands and feet.

>

> I just hope when I start back on HGH tomorrow I don't start holding water

again. I am going back on it at half the dose I was taking .3mgs. will be doing

..15 mgs.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

I am very optomistic about seeing Dr .

The only thing I worry about being on TRT is fertility.

I will be posting about my visit with Dr .

THX for all your help Phil. You have helped me for almost a year now.

I am young and I'm sure I will be able to fix my problems.

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Re: Question for those on TRT

> already

>

> Marc, my two cents worth.Been on TRT for about 9 mths and

> added HCG about 3 mths ago.What a difference in my quailty

> of life.I enjoyed sex but would choose a lot of other things

> over it.Not anymore.Another thing in jan 08 I weighed 

> 260 on a good day.I am a little over 6'1 " .Began a diabetic

> diet, extrememly low carbs and high sat fat.Now low 190's

> and about 15 of that is fluid retention from TRT.Having very

> little body fat IMO helps a lot in keeping estrogen

> down.Nothing tastes better than being lean is my motto.You

> can get some expert guidance on this board (I;m not one) but

> TRT made me a man again.Oh, knocking on 55.   

> Phil

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

> > I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a

> number of pages back now I assume.

> >

> > Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have

> muscle and joint pains from what used to be the slightest

> things to me.

> > Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing

> size as well.

> >

> > I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was

> always well built and very strong with defined muscles.

> Still get morning wood, but only a few days a week instead

> of everyday.

> > I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to

> be honest. It's not worth the hassle.

> >

> > My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is

> building a small amount of fat there. I hope I am not

> getting gyno!!

> > Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my

> last Total T of 209 is what caused the MRI to be done. The

> cardio related tests are simply what my doc does at

> intervals on me due to family history.

> >

> > My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil

> said my pituitary should be dumping LH like crazy with a

> Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

> >

> > Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as

> I suspect that might be my problem. If not I believe it is

> secondary from what I have read. Tuesday should tell me the

> results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

> >

> > I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an

> estrogen blocker, TRT, or something else. I HAVE followed

> the advice her though, and am trying to find out the cause

> before I go on T in any form.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know how you feel when I think back on my life I don't know how I made it

without any help like I got here. You will be fine in time just figure this out

treat it and go slow don't force your self to do things that you feel you can't

do.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

> Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 3:15 PM

>

>

> Phil,......and there are two Phil's here as well!

>

> I am mainly trying to find out what my problem is before

> starting TRT in any form. I am NOT adverse to it by any

> means if I need it.

>

> I still get 'turned on' and get a woodie and have sex. It

> just isn't the same for me though. I used to be VERY active,

> and now I would just as soon go to sleep early when it is up

> to me.

>

> That has never been like me, but is only a small part of

> the issue.

> I work in a very physical trade, and I can hardly drag my

> rear into the house some days anymore. I need reasonable

> strength and endurance to do what I do, and it is leaving me

> rapidly. Not putting down body-builders by any means, but at

> my age I am not into that in the least. I always worked out,

> and was in great shape, but I don't have the energy anymore

> after working.

>

> I am not over weight either,.....at least not yet.

> About 6 feet tall, and 186 pounds. Only fat on me is an

> extra 5 pounds in the 'spare-tire' region, and a little

> building in my chest area. I am on the way to quitting my

> beer drinking totally, as i have read many articles about

> alcohol, and especially beer hops mimicking female hormones

> like soy does.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yep know all about it I keep thinking it's my heart but they tell me no. I have

so dam many hormone problem do to a bad Pituitary its hard to stay in balance.

Today was a great day I worked out in the Gym then went to the Show. This glass

is all ways half full for me.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: Question for those on TRT already

>

> Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 5:00 PM

> Phil,....I hope it goes well for you

> too.

> I have never held 'water' myself per se,....no swelling in

> my legs or hands.

>

> I presume you keep an eye on your glucose levels as some of

> what you are saying can be a form of neuropathy. Can come

> from many things but as much as you research I am sure you

> know the cause better than a doc might.

>

> My mother that is 69 gets tingling/numbness in her feet

> from time to time, and she is 'borderline' diabetic.

>

>

> >

> > I had them tests after I had heart bypass sugary and

> my legs are fine yet I have a little loss of feeling in my

> feet.  I now think it's from holding water.  I am

> on to kinds of water pills the water is down and the feeling

> is back in my hands and feet.

> >

> > I just hope when I start back on HGH tomorrow I don't

> start holding water again.  I am going back on it at

> half the dose I was taking .3mgs. will be doing .15 mgs.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your going to be fine and Dr. has men on TRT that fertility was not a

problem.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Question for those on

> TRT already

> >

> > Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 2:57 PM

> >

> > I might have to be on TRT, I'm 26 and tried to cycle

> TRT

> > with Nolvadex. I messed up my body.

> >

> > So I'm going to see Dr and see if he can help me.

>

> >

> > My T is pretty high, but I have many symptoms of Low

> T.

> > While listening to Dr s lecture, he has seen peeps

> like

> > me who have good natural levels of T but experience

> the same

> > symptoms.

> >

> > I hope he can fix me up.

> >

> > Marc

> >

> > PS there are two Marc' s here.

> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> >

> > Re: Question for those on TRT

> > already

> >

> > Marc, my two cents worth.Been on TRT for about 9 mths

> and

> > added HCG about 3 mths ago.What a difference in my

> quailty

> > of life.I enjoyed sex but would choose a lot of other

> things

> > over it.Not anymore.Another thing in jan 08 I

> weighed 

> > 260 on a good day.I am a little over 6'1 " .Began a

> diabetic

> > diet, extrememly low carbs and high sat fat.Now low

> 190's

> > and about 15 of that is fluid retention from

> TRT.Having very

> > little body fat IMO helps a lot in keeping estrogen

> > down.Nothing tastes better than being lean is my

> motto.You

> > can get some expert guidance on this board (I;m not

> one) but

> > TRT made me a man again.Oh, knocking on 55.   

> > Phil

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

> > > I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone

> a

> > number of pages back now I assume.

> > >

> > > Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I

> have

> > muscle and joint pains from what used to be the

> slightest

> > things to me.

> > > Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am

> losing

> > size as well.

> > >

> > > I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but

> I was

> > always well built and very strong with defined

> muscles.

> > Still get morning wood, but only a few days a week

> instead

> > of everyday.

> > > I can still have sex, but I don't have any

> interest to

> > be honest. It's not worth the hassle.

> > >

> > > My chest that was always fairly defined and flat

> is

> > building a small amount of fat there. I hope I am not

> > getting gyno!!

> > > Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with

> my

> > last Total T of 209 is what caused the MRI to be done.

> The

> > cardio related tests are simply what my doc does at

> > intervals on me due to family history.

> > >

> > > My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and

> Phil

> > said my pituitary should be dumping LH like crazy with

> a

> > Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

> > >

> > > Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels

> checked, as

> > I suspect that might be my problem. If not I believe

> it is

> > secondary from what I have read. Tuesday should tell

> me the

> > results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests

> ordered.

> > >

> > > I have no idea at this point if I will be

> starting an

> > estrogen blocker, TRT, or something else. I HAVE

> followed

> > the advice her though, and am trying to find out the

> cause

> > before I go on T in any form.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Just my experience, but I think you'll know if you're getting gyno. The

soreness is a b*tch.

And if you bump into something... YOW!!!

Chest fat doesn't mean gyno - even if they do look like man boobs.

>

>

>

> Marc,......I am 48.5 heading to 49!

> I posted everything sometime ago but it has gone a number of pages back now I

assume.

>

> Basically I feel exhausted all the time, and I have muscle and joint pains

from what used to be the slightest things to me.

> Big loss in muscle strength, endurance, and am losing size as well.

>

> I am not a body-builder,....never have been, but I was always well built and

very strong with defined muscles. Still get morning wood, but only a few days a

week instead of everyday.

> I can still have sex, but I don't have any interest to be honest. It's not

worth the hassle.

>

> My chest that was always fairly defined and flat is building a small amount of

fat there. I hope I am not getting gyno!!

> Headaches, and visual disturbances combined with my last Total T of 209 is

what caused the MRI to be done. The cardio related tests are simply what my doc

does at intervals on me due to family history.

>

> My LH came back in the lower 1/3 of normal, and Phil said my pituitary should

be dumping LH like crazy with a Total T of 209,.....I agree with him.

>

> Anyway,....I will be getting my E2 levels checked, as I suspect that might be

my problem. If not I believe it is secondary from what I have read. Tuesday

should tell me the results of the MRI, and get those next blood tests ordered.

>

> I have no idea at this point if I will be starting an estrogen blocker, TRT,

or something else. I HAVE followed the advice her though, and am trying to find

out the cause before I go on T in any form.

>

[Guest guest]

Your information on the use of Nolvadex is incorrect.  That may be what led you

down the wrong path.  Under the right circumstances, Nolvadex can be very

helpful.  Hope you get your problems resolved.

 

From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Question for those on TRT already

Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:16 PM

 

I was completely healthy and in the prime of my life and just got done losing 70

lbs. I wanted to do a cycle of steroids but wanted to get them legally. So I

went to a TRt doc and got some compounded t cream took that for about a month,

then bought Nolvadex from the internet. BBers use this to get natural T prod

back.

But I messed up and in turn messed me up.

I went through a really bad depression and lost the girl of my dreams. Almost

didn't want to live anymore.

But I am fighting back now, going to see Crisler, I hope he can help me.

Thank you for kinds words, it means a lot, I have no one to talk to about this.

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Re: Question for those on TRT already

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

> >

> > I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly

to see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe

you can tell me after your visit.

> >

> > In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

> > I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

> >

> > I am open to about anything at this point.

> > I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

> > Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again

I don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

> > I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

> >

> > I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

THX a lot. I'm sure Dr Crisler will be able to help me.

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Re: Question for those on TRT already

> >

> >

> >

> > I will be waiting bigtime to see what you have to say about your visit.

> >

> > I don't have an issue going somewhere once, but I don't have the time to fly

to see a doc on a regular basis. I don't know how he works things,......maybe

you can tell me after your visit.

> >

> > In the interim, I am trying to use what I have learned here to lead my 'very

cooperative' doc in the right direction on all of this.

> > I could be wrong, but I think he will try whatever I say that makes sense to

him. After I get the other blood tests, I will be posting them here, and looking

for more advice on what i should do.

> >

> > I am open to about anything at this point.

> > I have no idea if I need my testes kick started per se, or whether I am

aromatizing T into estrogen too much and need to get that under control.

> > Maybe in the end I need TRT,......so be it. If it makes me feel better again

I don't care if it might cut my life expectancy by a few years.

> > I don't want to live for another 30 years feeling this way and worse.

> >

> > I certainly wish you the best with your visit!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >