Re: Blood work back, low T, Doc won't do anything

[Guest guest]

Wow when I say Endo's are not good Dr.'s for this I am not wrong.

1.) Your Cortisol is in range but for a morning fasting test dam low. Now you

need a 4x's in a day Saliva test to see how your rhythm looks.

2.) Your Thyroid TSH is low if your not on meds for this it's your Pituitary not

telling your Thyroid to make hormones.

3.) ACTH is dam low this tells your Pituitary to make Cortisol.

4.) Growth Hormone it less then the bottom of the range also Pituitary.

5.) IFG-1 tells how your Growth Hormone is doing is dam dangerous low. Also

Pituitary.

6.) LH and FSH are both low with low Testosterone also Pituitary.

Your Pituitary is not working it is great your MRI is clean but you still have a

Pituitary Problem you need to run from this Dr.

Go see Dr. or Dr. O and Hardasnails drive or fly out and see them.

Dr. is at www.allthingsmale.com and has a forum at

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Join his forum and copy this post and post it there get some other input see if

I am right.

Yes sleep apnea can lower Testosterone but what came first most studies show men

low but men treating this with the breathing machine there levels don't come

back up.

Have you had a head injury I did this is why my Pituitary dose not work. We now

know Foot Ball Players Pro's have this problem from head butting and blows to

there head. And are boys coming home from the war have a Pituitary problem from

road side bombs.

================================

Overbeck hardasnails1973@... 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette

st Conshohocken Internal medicine Male and female hormone disorders and

metabolic disorders 610-828-2026

=================================

If your near Ca. see Dr. M.

Romeo no, M.D. (831) 375-6655 395 Del Monte Ctr #305 Monterey, CA 93940

262 Eldorado Street #100 physician, psychiatrist,Behavioral Neuroendocrinology

and Immunology (831) 626-9094 fax

=================================

Don't waste your time and health on Dr.'s that are not up on this.

Your in bad shape and the longer it takes you to get the right treatment the

more damage can be done. Low Growth Hormones messed up my Heart I went 23 yrs

on TRT told my Testis don't work this is called Primary it's been 28 yrs now and

5 yrs ago I found out I am Secondary it's called Hypopituitary. A yr. ago last

Nov. I had to have Heart Bypass sugary my Heart Dr. told me it was from going so

long with low Growth Hormones.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> Subject: Blood work back, low T, Doc won't do anything

>

> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 11:38 PM

> I guess it's good news bad

> news.  I went in to see the endo because I had a crazy

> low test level on Total T (44) and hoped to get some

> answers.  That doc of course figured there was a

> testing problem and ordered bunch more and when he got those

> back he ordered and MRI (good news), the MRI showed nothing,

> the pituitary was fine.  No tumors, nothing.  So

> we went over the blood - still crazy, in my eyes, here

> goes:

>

> Cortisol:    10.9 - Ref (7.0 - 25.0) One of the

> few that was ok.

> Thyroid/TSH: 0.20 - Ref (.3 - 5.0) Low

> T4 Free:     1.0  - Ref (.6 - 1.6)

> Normal

> T3           3.6  -

> Ref (2.0- 3.5) Slightly elevated

> ACTH (Adrenal): 12.1 - Ref (10.0 - 60) Low but in range

> GH (Pitutary) : <0.01 - Ref (.01 - .97) Low

> Prolactin: 5 Ref (3 - 13) In range

> Insul Like Growth Factor: 75 Ref (98 - 261) Doc was

> concerned on this

> FSH: 1.8 Ref (1.0 - 18.0) In range but low

> LH: 1.3 Ref (1.8 - 8.6) Low

> TESOSTERONE 120 Ref (240 - 950) Very low

> Testoterone Bio-A 54  Ref (61 - 213) Low

>

> So that's about it.  There were a few other general

> chemisty items but nothing too interesting.  I am

> slightly anemic and all the docs every say is well that's

> interesting since you are a relatively young male and we

> expect that in females.

>

> Here's my issue.  This doc said that based on the fact

> that my previous labs showed low T and these labs three

> months later again verify it, the doc said I clearly do have

> have it will need treatment.  But then, he said we

> should spend the next couple of months doing sleep studies

> to fully rule out sleep apnea before looking at

> medication.  Then if apnea is rulled out he said I

> should consider HGC 100 x 3 week.  And do that until we

> clearly are no longer wanting children then he would add

> testosterone.  Here is the next issue, I said I was

> moving in the next 60 days and really can't spend the next

> 90 days doing sleep studies before we start.  I asked

> if we could just get started and I would continue treatment

> once I move.  He refused.  He advised that he will

> write up a report that the next doctor order a sleep study

> and take it from there. 

>

> So here I sit, you can see my results above.  And with

> that I am on nothing.  The doctor even said that it

> appears I will be treating for the test of my life. 

> But he was unwilling to be the one who gets me

> started.  I am so ready to start feeling better but now

> I am still months away.

>

> Based on these results, does it look like I will be able to

> begin a treatment or am I going to have to go searching for

> a doctor to treat me?  Thanks

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info, I posted my labs over at the other site. Got some feedback

which was gosh I need help and my pituitary is not working, but also that I

should be patient because the endo may be right that I need to rule out sleep

apnea before jumping into anything. I am just concerned that it may be a couple

of months before I move, then a new doc will again order the same tests, then

the a new doc will also want a sleep study and in the mean time it will be some

time in 2011 before I get any any treatment for a Testosterone level that is

either (44) or (120) depending on who is testing. Also, I know my thyroid has

been out of whack forever. I also had never even heard of this insuline like

growth factor and the endo seemed even more concerned about that than anything.

He said that if I have sleep apnea it ispossible I could raise the T level

somewhat, but he had no idea about the growth factor issue as he had not heard

that apnea could affect it...so I don't know what I am am supposed to do about

that one.

To top it all off I am trying to figure something else out. I was in a car

accident about 6 months ago. I did hit my head but not bad. Been going to

physical therapy and advised to get a lawyer but have not gone down that path

thinking I may just have a shoulder injury. Now though, I just found my

original fertility analysis from last year, it showed 186M sperm, but in the two

tests after the accident I showed 27 and 25M I think. Since that is still a lot

I am not sure it is anyting to worry about. But could that mean that this auto

accident is a bigger deal than I thought? It seems like this dropped off a

cliff after the accident. The only problem is I never had a reason to have my T

tested before the accident so have no levels prior to the accident. Has anyone

ever heard that hitting your head could cause a drop like that - and cause all

this other stuff to drop as well? I was thinking of settling up with the other

carrier on my insurance claim, but now wonder if I need to get a lawyer...I know

way off topic but I have too much spinning in my head right now.

>

> > From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> > Subject: Blood work back, low T, Doc won't do anything

> >

> > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 11:38 PM

> > I guess it's good news bad

> > news.  I went in to see the endo because I had a crazy

> > low test level on Total T (44) and hoped to get some

> > answers.  That doc of course figured there was a

> > testing problem and ordered bunch more and when he got those

> > back he ordered and MRI (good news), the MRI showed nothing,

> > the pituitary was fine.  No tumors, nothing.  So

> > we went over the blood - still crazy, in my eyes, here

> > goes:

> >

> > Cortisol:    10.9 - Ref (7.0 - 25.0) One of the

> > few that was ok.

> > Thyroid/TSH: 0.20 - Ref (.3 - 5.0) Low

> > T4 Free:     1.0  - Ref (.6 - 1.6)

> > Normal

> > T3           3.6  -

> > Ref (2.0- 3.5) Slightly elevated

> > ACTH (Adrenal): 12.1 - Ref (10.0 - 60) Low but in range

> > GH (Pitutary) : <0.01 - Ref (.01 - .97) Low

> > Prolactin: 5 Ref (3 - 13) In range

> > Insul Like Growth Factor: 75 Ref (98 - 261) Doc was

> > concerned on this

> > FSH: 1.8 Ref (1.0 - 18.0) In range but low

> > LH: 1.3 Ref (1.8 - 8.6) Low

> > TESOSTERONE 120 Ref (240 - 950) Very low

> > Testoterone Bio-A 54  Ref (61 - 213) Low

> >

[Guest guest]

You are talking to someone that has a Pituitary Problem due to a Head Injury

from an Auto Accident.

I even got a lawyer and took the drunk that hit me to court he calmed Bankruptcy

and it cost me money.

You need to read my story at this link one Dr. after the other told me my head

injury was not my problem. I feel this said this because I has a court case on

going and they did not want to get involved in it.

Not getting the right treatment for 23 yrs messed up my heart read the update

about this also.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

I feel you need to get to the bottom of this fast so you can file a claim and

get this covered for life.

I don't know If I asked you this or not but where do you live we need to find

you a good Dr. Endo's and Uro's are not good for this. There are Dr.'s you can

drive or fly out to see that we know are good.

Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com.

Dr. O and Hardasnails here is a list.

=================================

Overbeck hardasnails1973@... 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette

st Conshohocken Internal medicine Male and female hormone disorders and

metabolic disorders 610-828-2026

==================================

Romeo no, M.D. (831) 375-6655 395 Del Monte Ctr #305 Monterey, CA 93940

262 Eldorado Street #100 physician, psychiatrist,Behavioral Neuroendocrinology

and Immunology (831) 626-9094 fax

=================================

http://www.jeffreydach.com/

================================

" Karlis C. Ullis, M.D. " kullismd@...

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> Subject: Re: Blood work back, low T, Doc won't do anything

>

> Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 12:15 AM

> Thanks for the info, I posted my labs

> over at the other site.  Got some feedback which was

> gosh I need help and my pituitary is not working, but also

> that I should be patient because the endo may be right that

> I need to rule out sleep apnea before jumping into

> anything.  I am just concerned that it may be a couple

> of months before I move, then a new doc will again order the

> same tests, then the a new doc will also want a sleep study

> and in the mean time it will be some time in 2011 before I

> get any any treatment for a Testosterone level that is

> either (44) or (120) depending on who is testing. 

> Also, I know my thyroid has been out of whack forever. 

> I also had never even heard of this insuline like growth

> factor and the endo seemed even more concerned about that

> than anything.  He said that if I have sleep apnea it

> ispossible I could raise the T level somewhat, but he had no

> idea about the growth factor issue as he had not heard that

> apnea could affect it...so I don't know what I am am

> supposed to do about that one. 

>

> To top it all off I am trying to figure something else

> out.  I was in a car accident about 6 months ago. 

> I did hit my head but not bad.  Been going to physical

> therapy and advised to get a lawyer but have not gone down

> that path thinking I may just have a shoulder injury. 

> Now though, I just found my original fertility analysis from

> last year, it showed 186M sperm, but in the two tests after

> the accident I showed 27 and 25M I think.  Since that

> is still a lot I am not sure it is anyting to worry

> about.  But could that mean that this auto accident is

> a bigger deal than I thought?  It seems like this

> dropped off a cliff after the accident.  The only

> problem is I never had a reason to have my T tested before

> the accident so have no levels prior to the accident. 

> Has anyone ever heard that hitting your head could cause a

> drop like that - and cause all this other stuff to drop as

> well?  I was thinking of settling up with the other

> carrier on my insurance claim, but now wonder if I need to

> get a lawyer...I know way off topic but I have too much

> spinning in my head right now. 

>

>

> >

> > > From: Bstee <bstee@...>

> > > Subject: Blood work back, low T,

> Doc won't do anything

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 11:38 PM

> > > I guess it's good news bad

> > > news.  I went in to see the endo because I had a

> crazy

> > > low test level on Total T (44) and hoped to get

> some

> > > answers.  That doc of course figured there was

> a

> > > testing problem and ordered bunch more and when

> he got those

> > > back he ordered and MRI (good news), the MRI

> showed nothing,

> > > the pituitary was fine.  No tumors, nothing. 

> So

> > > we went over the blood - still crazy, in my eyes,

> here

> > > goes:

> > >

> > > Cortisol:    10.9 - Ref (7.0 - 25.0) One of

> the

> > > few that was ok.

> > > Thyroid/TSH: 0.20 - Ref (.3 - 5.0) Low

> > > T4 Free:     1.0  - Ref (.6 - 1.6)

> > > Normal

> > > T3           3.6  -

> > > Ref (2.0- 3.5) Slightly elevated

> > > ACTH (Adrenal): 12.1 - Ref (10.0 - 60) Low but in

> range

> > > GH (Pitutary) : <0.01 - Ref (.01 - .97) Low

> > > Prolactin: 5 Ref (3 - 13) In range

> > > Insul Like Growth Factor: 75 Ref (98 - 261) Doc

> was

> > > concerned on this

> > > FSH: 1.8 Ref (1.0 - 18.0) In range but low

> > > LH: 1.3 Ref (1.8 - 8.6) Low

> > > TESOSTERONE 120 Ref (240 - 950) Very low

> > > Testoterone Bio-A 54  Ref (61 - 213) Low

> > >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is good info and really amazing that our stories seem so similar. Right

now I am in northwest Florida but that is only for the next month or so. After

that I am moving to Central California. Let me look at Montery. No idea how

close that is to where I am going (about two hours north of LA - in central CA).

But, regardless of what or where I am, I will go to where I need to go. If I

need to go to Michigan or somewhere else I will do it.

I do think I need to seriosly look at the legal end of this. Currently my

medical bills are all paid because of the accident, but that will run out pretty

quickly. After that I would need to settle and prove that my issues are related

to the head trauma. I think that takes a doctor who understands the issues.

This doctor really scratched his head and said that if it was realted to my

recent accident I would have been knocked out. I guess that is " the rule " .,

Doctors drive me crazy

> > >

> > > > From: Bstee <bstee@>

> > > > Subject: Blood work back, low T,

> > Doc won't do anything

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 11:38 PM

> > > > I guess it's good news bad

> > > > news.  I went in to see the endo because I had a

> > crazy

> > > > low test level on Total T (44) and hoped to get

> > some

> > > > answers.  That doc of course figured there was

> > a

> > > > testing problem and ordered bunch more and when

> > he got those

> > > > back he ordered and MRI (good news), the MRI

> > showed nothing,

> > > > the pituitary was fine.  No tumors, nothing. 

> > So

> > > > we went over the blood - still crazy, in my eyes,

> > here

> > > > goes:

> > > >

> > > > Cortisol:    10.9 - Ref (7.0 - 25.0) One of

> > the

> > > > few that was ok.

> > > > Thyroid/TSH: 0.20 - Ref (.3 - 5.0) Low

> > > > T4 Free:     1.0  - Ref (.6 - 1.6)

> > > > Normal

> > > > T3           3.6  -

> > > > Ref (2.0- 3.5) Slightly elevated

> > > > ACTH (Adrenal): 12.1 - Ref (10.0 - 60) Low but in

> > range

> > > > GH (Pitutary) : <0.01 - Ref (.01 - .97) Low

> > > > Prolactin: 5 Ref (3 - 13) In range

> > > > Insul Like Growth Factor: 75 Ref (98 - 261) Doc

> > was

> > > > concerned on this

> > > > FSH: 1.8 Ref (1.0 - 18.0) In range but low

> > > > LH: 1.3 Ref (1.8 - 8.6) Low

> > > > TESOSTERONE 120 Ref (240 - 950) Very low

> > > > Testoterone Bio-A 54  Ref (61 - 213) Low

> > > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am going to give this another shot. Another endocrinologist. this time my

wife's doctor. Seems they got a copy of my original blood work and just

happened to call thise week asking me to come in for more testing. This was

based on the original Total Testosterone level of (44) with the ref range of

(220 - 860).

I will go ahead go in tomorrow but I already have the new blood work:

Cortisol: 10.9 - Ref (7.0 - 25.0)

Thyroid/TSH: 0.20 - Ref (.3 - 5.0)

T4 Free: 1.0 - Ref (.6 - 1.6)

T3 3.6 - Ref (2.0- 3.5)

ACTH (Adrenal): 12.1 - Ref (10.0 - 60)

GH (Pitutary) : <0.01 - Ref (.01 - .97)

Prolactin: 5 Ref (3 - 13)

Insul Like Growth Factor: 75 Ref (98 - 261)

FSH: 1.8 Ref (1.0 - 18.0)

LH: 1.3 Ref (1.8 - 8.6)

TESOSTERONE 120 Ref (240 - 950)

Testoterone Bio-A 54 Ref (61 - 213)

So, now I am wondering, I am guessing there may be chance this doc will put me

on HCG since my sperm count has dropped almost 80% in the last 6 months (since I

had an auto accident, though the doc I just went to does not think the two

events are related).

I am hoping that the Doc tomorrow does something, I don't care whether it is HCG

or I would really like Testerone since my total is less than half the lowest

level and I am only 42 years old. I would love to have a libedo, to be able to

excersize and shoot just be able sit without a blanket in the middle of summer.

But maybe it is not that bad as my bioavilable testoserone is at 54 and the

reference level is 61-213 so it is only about 10% below the normal. So since

the Bioavilable is only 7 points below low, as opposed to the total which is 120

points below low maybe it is not as bad as I think, but the ILGF seems really

low too. So, I am still just hoping that this doc does something for me.

My question is this, I am moving to California in the next six weeks. You

posted about a doctor in Monterey. That doc looks to be about 4 hours from

where I am moving to. Would I be better off making that trip or paying for a

trip to Michigan? I don't see anything else about Monterey. Does that doc deal

with head injuries?

>

> You are talking to someone that has a Pituitary Problem due to a Head Injury

from an Auto Accident.

>

> I even got a lawyer and took the drunk that hit me to court he calmed

Bankruptcy and it cost me money.

>

> You need to read my story at this link one Dr. after the other told me my head

injury was not my problem. I feel this said this because I has a court case on

going and they did not want to get involved in it.

> Not getting the right treatment for 23 yrs messed up my heart read the update

about this also.

> http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

>

> I feel you need to get to the bottom of this fast so you can file a claim and

get this covered for life.

>

> I don't know If I asked you this or not but where do you live we need to find

you a good Dr. Endo's and Uro's are not good for this. There are Dr.'s you can

drive or fly out to see that we know are good.

>

> Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com.

> Dr. O and Hardasnails here is a list.

> =================================

> Overbeck hardasnails1973@... 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette st

Conshohocken Internal medicine Male and female hormone disorders and metabolic

disorders 610-828-2026

>

> ==================================

> Romeo no, M.D. (831) 375-6655 395 Del Monte Ctr #305 Monterey, CA 93940

262 Eldorado Street #100 physician, psychiatrist,Behavioral Neuroendocrinology

and Immunology (831) 626-9094 fax

>

> =================================

> http://www.jeffreydach.com/

> ================================

> " Karlis C. Ullis, M.D. " kullismd@...

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>