Poor health with borderline testosterone?

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if borderline low testosterone could be causing my health

problems?

I am a 42-year-old male who has osteoporosis, as well as a rare form of

osteoporosis called transient osteoporosis, fatigue, nausea, loss of appetite,

reduced libido, with muscle and bones hurting.

My testosterone levels are:

January 15, 2010 testosterone, total 387. Testosterone free/testosterone 1.73

standard range 1.5-2.20

FSH 7.68 and LH 3.79

November 18, 2009 testosterone, total 349. Testosterone free/testosterone 1.31

standard range 1.5-2.20 FSH 5.63, and LH 2.14.

Today I received a testosterone injection of 100 (I think it's MG). I'm going to

receive one of these injections every two weeks to see if it improves my health.

A doctor is going to recheck my hormone levels at three months.

I have had an extensive workup by an endocrinologist. I've also had a workup to

determine that I do not have celiac disease, as well as a bone scan to determine

that I do not have cancer. The endocrinologist does not think that my poor

health is being caused by these testosterone levels.

I did learn from the reading on this site that my testosterone level is around

that of an 85 to 100-year-old man. ly, that is how I feel.

Does anybody think that low testosterone could be causing my health problems? My

doctors are out of ideas. And I am stuck in a rut.

[Guest guest]

My GOD when are them Dam Dr.'s going to get it doing shots 100mgs every 2 weeks

from what I know about this can make your Total Testosterone levels lower. Your

going to feel better after the 3rd to 4th. day after the shot but by your next

one you can end up lower then you started.

I say this all the time I don't like Endo's for TRT they don't know anything

about this even in the AACE Guidelines on page 11 it states to do shots every 7

go 10 days and a 100 mgs shot is a starting does.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Please take the time to read this link it's full of info more then I ever seen

in one link.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553

I feel you need more labs to tell why your so low if you go to

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs and

why you need them.

Do I feel you problems are due to your low T levels they sure can be.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: csgelber@... <csgelber@...>

> Subject: Poor health with borderline testosterone?

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 4:02 PM

> I'm wondering if borderline low

> testosterone could be causing my health problems?

>

> I am a 42-year-old male who has osteoporosis, as well as a

> rare form of osteoporosis called transient osteoporosis,

> fatigue, nausea, loss of appetite, reduced libido, with

> muscle and bones hurting.

> My testosterone levels are:

>

> January 15, 2010 testosterone, total 387. Testosterone

> free/testosterone 1.73     standard range

> 1.5-2.20

> FSH 7.68 and LH 3.79

>

> November 18, 2009 testosterone, total 349. Testosterone

> free/testosterone 1.31    standard range

> 1.5-2.20    FSH 5.63, and LH 2.14.

>

> Today I received a testosterone injection of 100 (I think

> it's MG). I'm going to receive one of these injections every

> two weeks to see if it improves my health. A doctor is going

> to recheck my hormone levels at three months.

>

> I have had an extensive workup by an endocrinologist. I've

> also had a workup to determine that I do not have celiac

> disease, as well as a bone scan to determine that I do not

> have cancer. The endocrinologist does not think that my poor

> health is being caused by these testosterone levels.

>

> I did learn from the reading on this site that my

> testosterone level is around that of an 85 to 100-year-old

> man. ly, that is how I feel.

>

> Does anybody think that low testosterone could be causing

> my health problems? My doctors are out of ideas. And I am

> stuck in a rut.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:02:44 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Today I received a testosterone injection of 100 (I think it's MG). I'm going

to receive one of these injections every two weeks to see if it improves my

health. A doctor is going to recheck my hormone levels at three months.

Most use 100mg each week as a minimum.

You are taking half that. It may well suppress your natural production

and not give you enough to replace it. For probably 95% of people

that's an inadequate dose. Given you have osteoporosis they should be

wanting to get you into the 600s, (barring any contraindications).

Have they done and E2 test? Prolactin?

Get those included in the work up and post the numbers here.

Low bone density is one of the most serious symptoms of low T. Myself,

I broke 8 ribs over two years with total T levels in the 200-300

range. Two years of T, with heavy calcium supplements and I was back

in normal range of bone density.

Your free testosterone is very low. They should be testing

bioavailable T. Often free T is done by a numerical estimate technique

and doesn't reflect what's available to your body to use.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for ll of that great information Phil.

I printed and am studying the AACE Guidelines. I am know going to try to see a

urologist. Have not seen one since one in the last few years and am going to

research if a vericocele (have had one for at least 6 years) could be adding to

my problems.

>

> > From: csgelber@... <csgelber@...>

> > Subject: Poor health with borderline testosterone?

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 4:02 PM

> > I'm wondering if borderline low

> > testosterone could be causing my health problems?

> >

> > I am a 42-year-old male who has osteoporosis, as well as a

> > rare form of osteoporosis called transient osteoporosis,

> > fatigue, nausea, loss of appetite, reduced libido, with

> > muscle and bones hurting.

> > My testosterone levels are:

> >

> > January 15, 2010 testosterone, total 387. Testosterone

> > free/testosterone 1.73     standard range

> > 1.5-2.20

> > FSH 7.68 and LH 3.79

> >

> > November 18, 2009 testosterone, total 349. Testosterone

> > free/testosterone 1.31    standard range

> > 1.5-2.20    FSH 5.63, and LH 2.14.

> >

> > Today I received a testosterone injection of 100 (I think

> > it's MG). I'm going to receive one of these injections every

> > two weeks to see if it improves my health. A doctor is going

> > to recheck my hormone levels at three months.

> >

> > I have had an extensive workup by an endocrinologist. I've

> > also had a workup to determine that I do not have celiac

> > disease, as well as a bone scan to determine that I do not

> > have cancer. The endocrinologist does not think that my poor

> > health is being caused by these testosterone levels.

> >

> > I did learn from the reading on this site that my

> > testosterone level is around that of an 85 to 100-year-old

> > man. ly, that is how I feel.

> >

> > Does anybody think that low testosterone could be causing

> > my health problems? My doctors are out of ideas. And I am

> > stuck in a rut.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello, and thanks for telling me about your osteperosis and low T.

I have not had test of E2 or prolactin. I also have not had a bioavailable T.

score. I will have to learn about these tests.

Unlike yourself, I have not broken any bones. My right hip was so swollen a few

months ago that I had to stop working because they were concerned it was going

to fracture from the transient osteoporosis. I am walking with a cane. Did I

mention that my wrists have been falling apart-left one is partially fused. I'm

wondering if this is also related to the osteoporosis which could be related to

low T. for the last few years I told any doctor that would listen that my body

felt like it was not repairing itself from normal use. This could be from low

testosterone.

Thank you for your input.

>

> >

> >Today I received a testosterone injection of 100 (I think it's MG). I'm going

to receive one of these injections every two weeks to see if it improves my

health. A doctor is going to recheck my hormone levels at three months.

>

>

> Most use 100mg each week as a minimum.

>

> You are taking half that. It may well suppress your natural production

> and not give you enough to replace it. For probably 95% of people

> that's an inadequate dose. Given you have osteoporosis they should be

> wanting to get you into the 600s, (barring any contraindications).

>

> Have they done and E2 test? Prolactin?

> Get those included in the work up and post the numbers here.

>

> Low bone density is one of the most serious symptoms of low T. Myself,

> I broke 8 ribs over two years with total T levels in the 200-300

> range. Two years of T, with heavy calcium supplements and I was back

> in normal range of bone density.

>

> Your free testosterone is very low. They should be testing

> bioavailable T. Often free T is done by a numerical estimate technique

> and doesn't reflect what's available to your body to use.

>

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:35:39 -0000, you wrote:

>Hello, and thanks for telling me about your osteperosis and low T.

>

>I have not had test of E2 or prolactin. I also have not had a bioavailable T.

score. I will have to learn about these tests.

>

>Unlike yourself, I have not broken any bones. My right hip was so swollen a few

months ago that I had to stop working because they were concerned it was going

to fracture from the transient osteoporosis. I am walking with a cane. Did I

mention that my wrists have been falling apart-left one is partially fused. I'm

wondering if this is also related to the osteoporosis which could be related to

low T. for the last few years I told any doctor that would listen that my body

felt like it was not repairing itself from normal use. This could be from low

testosterone.

>

>

>Thank you for your input.

http://courses.washington.edu/bonephys/opmale.html

Treatment [of osteoporosis}with testosterone

See the studies listed.

Dose:

Testosterone enanthate or cypionate 200 mg IM Q 2 weeks {=100mg a

week}

Transdermal testosterone patch 5mg daily

Testosterone gel 50mg/5g apply daily

[Guest guest]

It can be possabe if you have a varicocele problem it can lower T levels in this

link it is a big thread about this problem.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/56892-varicocele-can-effect.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: csgelber@... <csgelber@...>

> Subject: Re: Poor health with borderline testosterone?

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:25 PM

>

> Thanks for ll of that great information Phil.

>

> I printed and am studying the AACE Guidelines.  I am

> know going to try to see a urologist.  Have not seen

> one since one in the last few years and am going to research

> if a vericocele (have had one for at least 6 years) could be

> adding to my problems.

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: csgelber@... <csgelber@...>

> > > Subject: Poor health with

> borderline testosterone?

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 4:02 PM

> > > I'm wondering if borderline low

> > > testosterone could be causing my health

> problems?

> > >

> > > I am a 42-year-old male who has osteoporosis, as

> well as a

> > > rare form of osteoporosis called transient

> osteoporosis,

> > > fatigue, nausea, loss of appetite, reduced

> libido, with

> > > muscle and bones hurting.

> > > My testosterone levels are:

> > >

> > > January 15, 2010 testosterone, total 387.

> Testosterone

> > > free/testosterone 1.73     standard range

> > > 1.5-2.20

> > > FSH 7.68 and LH 3.79

> > >

> > > November 18, 2009 testosterone, total 349.

> Testosterone

> > > free/testosterone 1.31    standard range

> > > 1.5-2.20    FSH 5.63, and LH 2.14.

> > >

> > > Today I received a testosterone injection of 100

> (I think

> > > it's MG). I'm going to receive one of these

> injections every

> > > two weeks to see if it improves my health. A

> doctor is going

> > > to recheck my hormone levels at three months.

> > >

> > > I have had an extensive workup by an

> endocrinologist. I've

> > > also had a workup to determine that I do not have

> celiac

> > > disease, as well as a bone scan to determine that

> I do not

> > > have cancer. The endocrinologist does not think

> that my poor

> > > health is being caused by these testosterone

> levels.

> > >

> > > I did learn from the reading on this site that

> my

> > > testosterone level is around that of an 85 to

> 100-year-old

> > > man. ly, that is how I feel.

> > >

> > > Does anybody think that low testosterone could be

> causing

> > > my health problems? My doctors are out of ideas.

> And I am

> > > stuck in a rut.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >