Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 >> > I don't know anything about the form of iodine you are taking. The reason Lugol's is recommended is because it contains both Iodine and Iodide. Your thyroid needs Iodine and your breasts need Iodide. There are other organs/glands / tissues in your body that require the various forms as well. , You accidentally have that backwards. According to Dr. Brownstein's Iodine book, " The thyroid gland primarily utilizes iodide. To decrease the incidence of goiter, potassium iodide was added to table salt. The breats, on the other hand, primarily utilize iodine. " Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Yes you are right - I helped him keep that straight when we were writing the new chapters for the book, His trick to remembering is Thyroid - Iodide both have " D " s in them. LOL! It works for me. Breast doesn't. I was in a rush when I typed that. Excited to get to the Iodine conference - I am here now too! ' > , > You accidentally have that backwards. According to Dr. Brownstein's > Iodine book, " The thyroid gland primarily utilizes iodide. To decrease > the incidence of goiter, potassium iodide was added to table salt. The > breats, on the other hand, primarily utilize iodine. " > > Gayle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Does kelp also contain both forms? If I remember correctly from chemistry, iodide = I- (negative), but what form is iodine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 It's hard to tell. There is so much that people don't understand about Iodine. It seems that Iodine and Iodide are used interchangeably. Many do not understand that they are two different things. Case in point look at this product by Biotics Research called Liquid Iodine http://www.bioticsresearch.com/en/cms/?265#liquidforte It's ingredients say Iodine (as Potassium Iodide). They are two different things. Steph Re: Iodine/iodide > Does kelp also contain both forms? If I remember correctly from > chemistry, iodide = I- > (negative), but what form is iodine? > > > > > > Send Message: iodine > > Iodine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Let me try this again - Do ioDINE drops get converted over to ioDIDE drops in our bodies? I went to get Iodoral from my local shop, and the person in there was a huge fan of a particular bottle of iodine drops. She had another employee muscle test me comparing the iodine drops to the Iodorol pills. The drops tested more appropriate for me.........but it is not iodide. It is iodine. I’m not sure how to even determine dosage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 According to Brownstein, some organs prefer iodiDe & some prefer iodiNe, so you should take both. (Iadoral & Lugol's contain both.) It has been reported on the list that vitamin C can transform iodiNe into iodiDe, changing it from brown to clear.AnneOn Oct 12, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Shreve wrote: Let me try this again - Do ioDINE drops get converted over to ioDIDE drops in our bodies? I went to get Iodoral from my local shop, and the person in there was a huge fan of a particular bottle of iodine drops. She had another employee muscle test me comparing the iodine drops to the Iodorol pills. The drops tested more appropriate for me.........but it is not iodide. It is iodine. I’m not sure how to even determine dosage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with this in relation to estrone/estriol conversion? Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ Another valuable iodine preparation is a saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is also available from our on line pharmacy. This only contains the iodide form and thus does not have the correct ratio of iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for correcting iodine deficiency. It does however have a multitude of valuable healing properties and is useful for thyroid and skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in these organs. We use it extensively to help promote the conversion of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol with great effect. It may also help open up blocked arteries, disinfect water, cure bladder infections, reduce or eliminate ovarian cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick bronchial secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's Disease Sound ok but? Kind regards Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 When on urine test I see low estriol and altered 2,16,4 ohe levels then I will recommend iodoral to help balance this out. Iodoral allows conversion of bad estrogens into the good estrogens namely estriol. This is probably why women on synthetic thyroid have increased risk of breast cancer. > > Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with this in relation to estrone/estriol conversion? > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > Another valuable iodine preparation is a saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is also available from our on line pharmacy. This only contains the iodide form and thus does not have the correct ratio of iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for correcting iodine deficiency. It does however have a multitude of valuable healing properties and is useful for thyroid and skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in these organs. We use it extensively to help promote the conversion of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol with great effect. It may also help open up blocked arteries, disinfect water, cure bladder infections, reduce or eliminate ovarian cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick bronchial secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's Disease > > Sound ok but? > Kind regards > Wayne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Wayne, Here is a dam good read about Iodine and yes I take it every night at bedtime. I take 12.5 mgs of Iodoral. http://iodine4health.com/overviews/audiovisual/flechas_audiovisual.htm Co-Moderator Phil > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> > Subject: Iodine/iodide > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:38 AM > Does anyone have any experience or > knowledge with this in relation to estrone/estriol > conversion? > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > Another valuable iodine preparation is a saturated solution > of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is also available > from our on line pharmacy. This only contains the iodide > form and thus does not have the correct ratio of > iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for correcting > iodine deficiency. It does however have a multitude of > valuable healing properties and is useful for thyroid and > skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in these > organs. We use it extensively to help promote the conversion > of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol with great > effect. It may also help open up blocked arteries, disinfect > water, cure bladder infections, reduce or eliminate ovarian > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick bronchial > secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's Disease > > Sound ok but? > Kind regards > Wayne > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Thank you for that input HAN. Following from our earlier discussion on saliva/blood tests does that then mean that saliva testing for the estrogens in a male is the preferred and acceptable form? Can the breakdown of estrogens actually be done in the blood? Kind regards Wayne > > > > Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with this in relation to estrone/estriol conversion? > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > Another valuable iodine preparation is a saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is also available from our on line pharmacy. This only contains the iodide form and thus does not have the correct ratio of iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for correcting iodine deficiency. It does however have a multitude of valuable healing properties and is useful for thyroid and skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in these organs. We use it extensively to help promote the conversion of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol with great effect. It may also help open up blocked arteries, disinfect water, cure bladder infections, reduce or eliminate ovarian cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick bronchial secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's Disease > > > > Sound ok but? > > Kind regards > > Wayne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 tested in urine metabolites for 16,4 OHE > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with this in relation to estrone/estriol conversion? > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > Another valuable iodine preparation is a saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is also available from our on line pharmacy. This only contains the iodide form and thus does not have the correct ratio of iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for correcting iodine deficiency. It does however have a multitude of valuable healing properties and is useful for thyroid and skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in these organs. We use it extensively to help promote the conversion of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol with great effect. It may also help open up blocked arteries, disinfect water, cure bladder infections, reduce or eliminate ovarian cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick bronchial secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's Disease > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > Kind regards > > > Wayne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Thank you Phil for the link. Another piece of good information for me. Do you take the Iodoral for the reasons od estrogen conversion as outlined below? Are Lugols and Iodoral the same thing different name? Thanks Kind regards Wayne > > > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> > > Subject: Iodine/iodide > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:38 AM > > Does anyone have any experience or > > knowledge with this in relation to estrone/estriol > > conversion? > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > Another valuable iodine preparation is a saturated solution > > of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is also available > > from our on line pharmacy. This only contains the iodide > > form and thus does not have the correct ratio of > > iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for correcting > > iodine deficiency. It does however have a multitude of > > valuable healing properties and is useful for thyroid and > > skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in these > > organs. We use it extensively to help promote the conversion > > of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol with great > > effect. It may also help open up blocked arteries, disinfect > > water, cure bladder infections, reduce or eliminate ovarian > > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick bronchial > > secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's Disease > > > > Sound ok but? > > Kind regards > > Wayne > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Wayne, I would only trust blood labs for Estraidol and only the Sensitive ones for men. Co-Moderator Phil > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> > Subject: Re: Iodine/iodide > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 5:47 PM > Thank you for that input HAN. > Following from our earlier discussion on saliva/blood tests > does that then mean that saliva testing for the estrogens in > a male is the preferred and acceptable form? Can the > breakdown of estrogens actually be done in the blood? > Kind regards > Wayne > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with > this in relation to estrone/estriol conversion? > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > Another valuable iodine preparation is a > saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is > also available from our on line pharmacy. This only contains > the iodide form and thus does not have the correct ratio of > iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for correcting > iodine deficiency. It does however have a multitude of > valuable healing properties and is useful for thyroid and > skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in these > organs. We use it extensively to help promote the conversion > of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol with great > effect. It may also help open up blocked arteries, disinfect > water, cure bladder infections, reduce or eliminate ovarian > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick bronchial > secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's Disease > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > Kind regards > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Wayne, I take Iodoral it's a pill for my thyroid and Cortisol levels I later found out it helps keep Estradiol down. Iodoral is 2 kinds of iodine. Here is a cut and paste from this link. https://vvv9.com/iodoral/?gclid=CNn0sZGTyaYCFYnc4AodKnExHA And by the way this was just one more great thing Hardasnails helped me with. =================================================== Information about Iodoral from Optimox PLEASE CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE USE - High Potency Iodine/Potassium Iodide Supplement One tablet of Iodoral supplies an amount of total elemental iodine, comparable to the average daily intake of this essential element by mainland Japanese, a population with a very low prevalence of fibrocystic disease of the breast and breast cancer. I. GENERAL INFORMATION Iodine is an essential element. Although its main function is in the production of thyroid hormones by the thyroid gland, other organs in the body have a need for iodine in order to function normally(*4). Several studies have demonstrated a relationship between low iodine intake and fibrocystic disease of the breast (FDB), both in women and laboratory animals (*1,2). The minimum amount of iodine required for control and prevention of FDB is equivalent to 0.1mg/kg body weight/day. For example, for a 50 kg woman, the daily amount of iodine would be 5 mg. The thyroid gland needs iodide to function properly. The original study done 80 years ago to control goiter in adolescent girls used 9 mg iodide daily (*3). During the early 1900's, the iodine/iodide solution called Lugol solution was used extensively, effectively and safely in medical practice, for both low activity and above normal activity of the thyroid gland (*4). The recommended daily intake for iodine supplementation was 2 to 6 drops of Lugol solution containing 12.5 to 37.5 mg total iodide. That amount was mentioned as lately as 1995 in a book on Pharmaceutical Sciences (*5). Several investigators have shown convincing evidence connecting inadequate iodine intake and breast cancer (*6). Japanese women living in Japan consumed a daily average of 13.8 mg total elemental iodine and they experience one of the lowest prevalence (risk) for breast, ovarian and uterine cancer (*6). In the 1960's, one slice of bread in the USA contained the full RDA of 0.15 mg iodine. The risk for breast cancer was then 1 in 20 (*7). Over the last 2 decades, iodine was replaced by bromine in the bread making process. Bromine blocks thyroid function and may interfere with the anticancer effect of iodine on the breast (*4). Now, the risk for breast cancer is 1 in 8 and increasing 1% per year (*7). The RDA limits for vitamins and minerals were established after World War II. One of the last essential elements included in the RDA system was iodine, established in 1980 and confirmed in 1989 (*8). The RDA for iodine was based on the amount of iodine/iodide needed to prevent goiter, extreme stupidity and hypothyroidism (*9). The optimal requirement of the whole human body for iodine has never been studied. Therefore, the optimal amount of this element for physical and mental wellbeing is unknown. Based on demographic studies, the mainland Japanese consumed an average of 13.8 mg daily and they are one of the healthiest people on planet earth (*6). Lugol solution is a time-tested preparation with a proven track record for over 150 years. Two drops contain 12.5 mg iodine/iodide, an amount very close to the 13.8 mg average intake of mainland Japanese. II. RATIONALE FOR THIS FORMULATION Administration of iodine/iodide in liquid solution is not very accurate, may stain clothing, has an unpleasant taste and causes gastric irritation. Iodoral® is a precisely quantified tablet form containing 5 mg iodine and 7.5 mg iodide as the potassium salt. To prevent gastric irritation, the iodine/iodide preparation was absorbed unto a colloidal silica excipient; and to eliminate the unpleasant taste of iodine, the tablets were coated with a thin film of pharmaceutical glaze (*10). III. SUGGESTED USE The suggested daily amount is 1-4 tablets/day as recommended by your physician. Work closely with your physician while on the Iodoral® program. Report to your physician any history of thyroid surgery and/or radiation, chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis (Hashimoto), and any previous problem with your thyroid. Before starting Iodoral®, your physician (He/She = He) will order blood tests for hematology, blood chemistry and thyroid functions. He will also perform an ultrasound of your thyroid to measure the size and appearance of your thyroid. Depending on the results of the thyroid function tests and ultrasound, he may order some blood tests for thyroid antibodies. If you are taking thyroid hormones, let your physician know about it. Be aware that Iodoral® enhances the response of your body to thyroid hormones (*4,6). Subjects on Iodoral® feel warmer in cold environments and that is expected. However, you will need to cut down the amount of thyroid hormones if you experience palpitation, anxiety, increased sweating and intolerance to heat. That is because Iodoral® decreases your need for thyroid hormones. Your physician will guide you in titrating downward the amount of thyroid hormones. Your physician will reevaluate you one month afterward if you are on thyroid hormones, and 3 months if not. Keep a record of what you observe while on Iodoral® and show it to your physician. To test whole body sufficiency for iodine, 4 tablets of Iodoral® are ingested, followed by 24 hr. urine collection. The more deficient a subject is in iodine, the more iodine is retained by the body and the least excreted in the urine. Sufficiency is achieved when 90% or more of the ingested amount is excreted in the urine. In most subjects tested, 3-4 tablets of Iodoral®/day were required to achieve whole body sufficiency within 3 months and the body retained approximately 1.5 gm iodine at sufficiency (*4,8). The best response in patients with FDB was observed with ingestion of 2 tablets twice a day (*8). Check with your physician for more information about the loading test. Co-Moderator Phil > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> > Subject: Re: Iodine/iodide > > Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 8:52 AM > Thank you Phil for the link. Another > piece of good information for me. Do you take the Iodoral > for the reasons od estrogen conversion as outlined below? > Are Lugols and Iodoral the same thing different name? > Thanks > Kind regards > Wayne > > > > > > > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> > > > Subject: Iodine/iodide > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:38 AM > > > Does anyone have any experience or > > > knowledge with this in relation to > estrone/estriol > > > conversion? > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > Another valuable iodine preparation is a > saturated solution > > > of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is also > available > > > from our on line pharmacy. This only contains the > iodide > > > form and thus does not have the correct ratio of > > > iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for > correcting > > > iodine deficiency. It does however have a > multitude of > > > valuable healing properties and is useful for > thyroid and > > > skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in > these > > > organs. We use it extensively to help promote the > conversion > > > of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol > with great > > > effect. It may also help open up blocked > arteries, disinfect > > > water, cure bladder infections, reduce or > eliminate ovarian > > > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick > bronchial > > > secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's > Disease > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > Kind regards > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Hi Phil I don't wish to labour the point but would like to fully understand the situation. It seems there is very strong support here for Estradiol tests to be done in the blood only and the metabolites 2, 4, 16 in the urine (24 hour I think it was). And that the only good use for a saliva test is for the diurnal cortisol rhythm. More so for the rhythm than the measured levels. Is my understanding correct on these points? Ok if so then how is it that all this data below is not recognised and or accepted. It seems like a lot of strong support is behind the saliva testing over the blood testing. Don't get me wrong if blood tests deliver the results we need then that is great for me as the saliva testing is expensive and not covered by our Medicare but a lot of the bloods are covered by Medicare. All of that is important to my situation where a lot of the unrelenting stress that is feeding into my problems is financial ie no job, no income, unable to sell the house to pay the mounting debts ( I hate that GFC) as well as an irrepairable marriage. But I am determined to survive all of that and to get myself well again. It is the good people here that have been most helpful and for that I am grateful. An extract follows from www.custommedicine.com.au 3) Saliva testing measures the free and therefore biologically active form of several of the major hormones in saliva – estriol, estradiol, estrone, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA and cortisol. Saliva tests have been proven to be an accurate reflection of hormone levels present inside cells, where the hormone action takes place, whereas blood tests measure hormones outside the cells. It is considered to be the gold standard for hormone analysis by the World Health Organisation (WHO) and even used by NASA. Despite the WHO's recommendation to use saliva hormone testing and all the research to back up its accuracy it is often the most criticised and neglected method by medical practitioners, many whom refuse to order such tests as they are not informed of the differences and usually state there is no research to validate saliva testing. click here <http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/salivavsblood.html#testing> for references that validate saliva testing. Phil one last thing here in Australia my previous serum Estradiol test results show a range (40-250) or (10.9 to 68) so does that mean it is a sensitive test like the Quest Lab? Is it the definition of the actual range that the test can measure to for men that makes it a Sensitve test or is there another facet to this? Kind regards Wayne > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience or knowledge with > > this in relation to estrone/estriol conversion? > > > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > > > Another valuable iodine preparation is a > > saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI drops) which is > > also available from our on line pharmacy. This only contains > > the iodide form and thus does not have the correct ratio of > > iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for correcting > > iodine deficiency. It does however have a multitude of > > valuable healing properties and is useful for thyroid and > > skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in these > > organs. We use it extensively to help promote the conversion > > of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol with great > > effect. It may also help open up blocked arteries, disinfect > > water, cure bladder infections, reduce or eliminate ovarian > > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick bronchial > > secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's Disease > > > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > > Kind regards > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Saliva testing is not covered by most Health Care Plains and Medicare for men because it is not prove to be any good. And yes Saliva testing for cortiol 4x's in a day is about the rhythm more then the levels. I am sure if one could do blood labs 4x's in a day they would look different the Saliva but still the levels are close. Estradiol labs in Australia I am not sure if they are sensitive labs for men. If they go down below 20 pg/ml I would say they are. We men on Arimidex or Indolplex/DIM to lower Estradiol need to know how low we go for Estradiol. Back in the day when I first tested this all they had were women's Estradiol tests and they only went down to 20 pg/ml. As I was getting my levels down on Arimidex my labs started to say <20 now with a lower SHBG on can have a level of 12 to 19 pg/ml and be good but below 12 is going to low. This is why we need to use the Senitive testing. Some say the senitive tests are the only ones to do but I don't feel this is true if you do a women's test and your very high you have a problem. Co-Moderator Phil > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> > Subject: Re: Iodine/iodide > > Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 1:19 AM > Hi Phil > I don't wish to labour the point but would like to fully > understand the situation. > It seems there is very strong support here for Estradiol > tests to be done in the blood only and the metabolites > 2, 4, 16 in the urine (24 hour I think it was). > And that the only good use for a saliva test is for the > diurnal cortisol rhythm. More so for the rhythm than the > measured levels. > Is my understanding correct on these points? > > > Ok if so then how is it that all this data below is not > recognised and or accepted. It seems like a lot of strong > support is behind the saliva testing over the blood testing. > > Don't get me wrong if blood tests deliver the results we > need then that is great for me as the saliva testing is > expensive and not covered by our Medicare but a lot of the > bloods are covered by Medicare. All of that is important to > my situation where a lot of the unrelenting stress that is > feeding into my problems is financial ie no job, no income, > unable to sell the house to pay the mounting debts ( I hate > that GFC) as well as an irrepairable marriage. > But I am determined to survive all of that and to get > myself well again. It is the good people here that have been > most helpful and for that I am grateful. >  > > An extract follows from www.custommedicine.com.au > > 3) Saliva testing measures the free and therefore > biologically active > form of several of the major hormones in saliva – > estriol, > estradiol, estrone, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA and > cortisol. > Saliva tests have been proven to be an accurate reflection > of hormone > levels present inside cells, where the hormone action takes > place, > whereas blood tests measure hormones outside the cells. It > is considered > to be the gold standard for hormone analysis by the World > Health > Organisation (WHO) and even used by NASA. Despite the > WHO's > recommendation to use saliva hormone testing and all the > research to > back up its accuracy it is often the most criticised and > neglected > method by medical practitioners, many whom refuse to order > such tests as > they are not informed of the differences and usually state > there is no > research to validate saliva testing. > click here > <http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/salivavsblood.html#testing> > for references that validate saliva testing. > > Phil one last thing here in Australia my previous serum > Estradiol test results show a range (40-250) or (10.9 to 68) > so does that mean it is a sensitive test like the Quest Lab? > Is it the definition of the actual range that the test can > measure to for men that makes it a Sensitve test or is there > another facet to this? > > Kind regards > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience or > knowledge with > > > this in relation to estrone/estriol conversion? > > > > > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > > > > > Another valuable iodine preparation is > a > > > saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI > drops) which is > > > also available from our on line pharmacy. This > only contains > > > the iodide form and thus does not have the > correct ratio of > > > iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for > correcting > > > iodine deficiency. It does however have a > multitude of > > > valuable healing properties and is useful for > thyroid and > > > skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in > these > > > organs. We use it extensively to help promote the > conversion > > > of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol > with great > > > effect. It may also help open up blocked > arteries, disinfect > > > water, cure bladder infections, reduce or > eliminate ovarian > > > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick > bronchial > > > secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's > Disease > > > > > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Hi Phil I will ask the lab and see what they say about sensitive. Quote one last thing here in Australia my previous serum > Estradiol test results show a range (40-250) or (10.9 to 68) > so does that mean it is a sensitive test like the Quest Lab? > Is it the definition of the actual range that the test can > measure to for men that makes it a Sensitve test or is there > another facet to this? That is 10.9pg/mL to 68pg/mL so judging by that they are probably sensitive. Kind regards Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience or > > knowledge with > > > > this in relation to estrone/estriol conversion? > > > > > > > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Another valuable iodine preparation is > > a > > > > saturated solution of potassium iodide (SSKI > > drops) which is > > > > also available from our on line pharmacy. This > > only contains > > > > the iodide form and thus does not have the > > correct ratio of > > > > iodine/iodide recommended by Dr.Abrahams for > > correcting > > > > iodine deficiency. It does however have a > > multitude of > > > > valuable healing properties and is useful for > > thyroid and > > > > skin conditions as the iodide form accumulates in > > these > > > > organs. We use it extensively to help promote the > > conversion > > > > of estrone and it bad metabolite into estriol > > with great > > > > effect. It may also help open up blocked > > arteries, disinfect > > > > water, cure bladder infections, reduce or > > eliminate ovarian > > > > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, loosen thick > > bronchial > > > > secretions, even reduce or eliminate Peyronie's > > Disease > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Yes that looks to me to be a sensitive E2 test going down that low. Mine goes down to 13 pg/ml one test I did I took my arimidex just an hr. before the test it came back at 7. Co-Moderator Phil > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> > Subject: Re: Iodine/iodide > > Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 7:21 AM > > Hi Phil > I will ask the lab and see what they say about sensitive. > Quote > one last thing here in Australia my previous serum > > Estradiol test results show a range (40-250) or (10.9 > to 68) > > so does that mean it is a sensitive test like the > Quest Lab? > > Is it the definition of the actual range that the test > can > > measure to for men that makes it a Sensitve test or is > there > > another facet to this? > > That is 10.9pg/mL to 68pg/mL so judging by that they are > probably sensitive. > Kind regards > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any > experience or > > > knowledge with > > > > > this in relation to estrone/estriol > conversion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another valuable iodine > preparation is > > > a > > > > > saturated solution of potassium iodide > (SSKI > > > drops) which is > > > > > also available from our on line > pharmacy. This > > > only contains > > > > > the iodide form and thus does not have > the > > > correct ratio of > > > > > iodine/iodide recommended by > Dr.Abrahams for > > > correcting > > > > > iodine deficiency. It does however have > a > > > multitude of > > > > > valuable healing properties and is > useful for > > > thyroid and > > > > > skin conditions as the iodide form > accumulates in > > > these > > > > > organs. We use it extensively to help > promote the > > > conversion > > > > > of estrone and it bad metabolite into > estriol > > > with great > > > > > effect. It may also help open up > blocked > > > arteries, disinfect > > > > > water, cure bladder infections, reduce > or > > > eliminate ovarian > > > > > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, > loosen thick > > > bronchial > > > > > secretions, even reduce or eliminate > Peyronie's > > > Disease > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Thanks Phil So is it worth having the metabolites (2,4,16 I think) done in the urine and is this a 24 hour urine test? My current E2 is 51 Would it provide meaningful information that I can then use appropriately or just another interesting number? Kind regards Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any > > experience or > > > > knowledge with > > > > > > this in relation to estrone/estriol > > conversion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another valuable iodine > > preparation is > > > > a > > > > > > saturated solution of potassium iodide > > (SSKI > > > > drops) which is > > > > > > also available from our on line > > pharmacy. This > > > > only contains > > > > > > the iodide form and thus does not have > > the > > > > correct ratio of > > > > > > iodine/iodide recommended by > > Dr.Abrahams for > > > > correcting > > > > > > iodine deficiency. It does however have > > a > > > > multitude of > > > > > > valuable healing properties and is > > useful for > > > > thyroid and > > > > > > skin conditions as the iodide form > > accumulates in > > > > these > > > > > > organs. We use it extensively to help > > promote the > > > > conversion > > > > > > of estrone and it bad metabolite into > > estriol > > > > with great > > > > > > effect. It may also help open up > > blocked > > > > arteries, disinfect > > > > > > water, cure bladder infections, reduce > > or > > > > eliminate ovarian > > > > > > cysts, diminish unsightly keloids, > > loosen thick > > > > bronchial > > > > > > secretions, even reduce or eliminate > > Peyronie's > > > > Disease > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I think you got this from Hard I don't do 24 Urine testing my Dr. says they are not much help for hormones and my BCBS will not pay for it. Yes a level of 50 on E2 if it's pg/ml is to high. Co-Moderator Phil > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> > Subject: Re: Iodine/iodide > > Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 6:57 PM > Thanks Phil > So is it worth having the metabolites (2,4,16 I think) done > in the urine and is this a 24 hour urine test? My current E2 > is 51 > Would it provide meaningful information that I can then use > appropriately or just another interesting number? > Kind regards > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have > any > > > experience or > > > > > knowledge with > > > > > > > this in relation to > estrone/estriol > > > conversion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abstract from http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/iodine/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another valuable > iodine > > > preparation is > > > > > a > > > > > > > saturated solution of > potassium iodide > > > (SSKI > > > > > drops) which is > > > > > > > also available from our on > line > > > pharmacy. This > > > > > only contains > > > > > > > the iodide form and thus does > not have > > > the > > > > > correct ratio of > > > > > > > iodine/iodide recommended by > > > Dr.Abrahams for > > > > > correcting > > > > > > > iodine deficiency. It does > however have > > > a > > > > > multitude of > > > > > > > valuable healing properties > and is > > > useful for > > > > > thyroid and > > > > > > > skin conditions as the iodide > form > > > accumulates in > > > > > these > > > > > > > organs. We use it extensively > to help > > > promote the > > > > > conversion > > > > > > > of estrone and it bad > metabolite into > > > estriol > > > > > with great > > > > > > > effect. It may also help open > up > > > blocked > > > > > arteries, disinfect > > > > > > > water, cure bladder > infections, reduce > > > or > > > > > eliminate ovarian > > > > > > > cysts, diminish unsightly > keloids, > > > loosen thick > > > > > bronchial > > > > > > > secretions, even reduce or > eliminate > > > Peyronie's > > > > > Disease > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sound ok but? > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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