Re: I finally am on testosterone shots: advice needed

[Guest guest]

I'm sure someone will answer your question because I dont know the answer but

why do you think you crashed after feeling so good for so long? Curious because

I started on the gel several weeks ago.

>

> I have been on Androgel since May, 2009. For the first 6 months it absorbed

nicely and it gots my levels from 317 to 800. Then in January I crashed and felt

worse than I have ever felt in my life.

>

> I returned for a blood test and my levels were an anemic 114. After fighting

with my HMO for 3 weeks, the Doctor gave me testosterone shots today, 200 mgs.

He says I will be on shots now for the rest of my life.

>

> I have to return in three weeks for the next 200 mg. shot. He said thereafter

he will probably put me on 200 mg.'s every two weeks.

>

> Does this sound like a sound diagnosis? Or should I be getting 100 mg's every

week? Thank you for any input.

>

[Guest guest]

Because my body stopped absorbinhg the Androgel. This is sadly very common.

Initially my t. levels skyrocketed on 8 swipes a day to 1,000. I felt

fabulous!!! Then it slowly stopped absorbing. My own testicles stopped producing

t. on their own and once the Androgel stopped working, I was left with a level

of 114, which is pathetic. I could barely function on that.

So hopefully the Androgel will work for you indefinitely. The first four months

I was on it, I felt fantastic!

[Guest guest]

General,

if you don't have any phobia about needles, there's no reason why you can't do

your own shots. I just started shooting T 2 weeks ago. It's no big deal. I use a

28g 5/8 " syringe in the outer thigh. seems to be working well.

Push for your own shots.

>

> I have been on Androgel since May, 2009. For the first 6 months it absorbed

nicely and it gots my levels from 317 to 800. Then in January I crashed and felt

worse than I have ever felt in my life.

>

> I returned for a blood test and my levels were an anemic 114. After fighting

with my HMO for 3 weeks, the Doctor gave me testosterone shots today, 200 mgs.

He says I will be on shots now for the rest of my life.

>

> I have to return in three weeks for the next 200 mg. shot. He said thereafter

he will probably put me on 200 mg.'s every two weeks.

>

> Does this sound like a sound diagnosis? Or should I be getting 100 mg's every

week? Thank you for any input.

>

[Guest guest]

I started on compounded T. At first it was just ok. Then, for some reason I went

down hill. I'm so glad to be shooting the T now. The nonabsorption issues are

removed.

> >

> > I have been on Androgel since May, 2009. For the first 6 months it absorbed

nicely and it gots my levels from 317 to 800. Then in January I crashed and felt

worse than I have ever felt in my life.

> >

> > I returned for a blood test and my levels were an anemic 114. After fighting

with my HMO for 3 weeks, the Doctor gave me testosterone shots today, 200 mgs.

He says I will be on shots now for the rest of my life.

> >

> > I have to return in three weeks for the next 200 mg. shot. He said

thereafter he will probably put me on 200 mg.'s every two weeks.

> >

> > Does this sound like a sound diagnosis? Or should I be getting 100 mg's

every week? Thank you for any input.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hope so too but I made an appointment with a very respected doc near me who I

hope will start me on shots.

>

> Because my body stopped absorbinhg the Androgel. This is sadly very common.

Initially my t. levels skyrocketed on 8 swipes a day to 1,000. I felt

fabulous!!! Then it slowly stopped absorbing. My own testicles stopped producing

t. on their own and once the Androgel stopped working, I was left with a level

of 114, which is pathetic. I could barely function on that.

>

> So hopefully the Androgel will work for you indefinitely. The first four

months I was on it, I felt fantastic!

>

[Guest guest]

My HMO will not allow me to self-inject.

Can anyone answer whether 200 mg's every three weeks is a sound strategy or

lousy? Should I be getting 100 mg's once a week?

[Guest guest]

Let me say it this way your going to feel better but you will be on a roller

coaster ride up after the shot only to fall low by the next one. It is old and

good Dr.'s don't do this anymore. If you print out page 11 of the AACE

Guildelines it states to do shots every 7 to 10 days and this is old today we

are finding most men do better doing shots 2x's a week. This keeps them leveled

and holds down there blood from getting to thick and keeps Estradiol levels

down.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Also read this it's good but from the T-Nation it talks about what Dr.

does.

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_body\

building_supplements/the_testosterone_toolbox

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The Nuts and Bolts of TRT

Here is what an effective TRT schedule could look like:

• 100mg test cypionate or enanthate injected per week, injected weekly or

divided into two or more injections per week.

• 250iu hCG EOD [every other day], or twice per week; injected subcutaneously.

• 1.0mg Anastrozole (Arimidex) per week, in divided doses.

Why so many damn shots? Injecting Testosterone less frequently than once a week

induces spikes in T levels followed by lows. This can make many feel as bad or

worse at the end of the week than even their pre-TRT state. Injecting lower

amounts more frequently seems to mitigate this side effect as it more closely

resembles the body's natural Testosterone production.

With lower doses and more frequent injections, one can inject in the quads

(vastus lateralis) with 29 gauge 0.5ml/0.5 inch [50iu] insulin syringes. But

generally speaking, rotating injection sites is always a good idea.

These little pins are slow to load, but injection times are reasonable as the

small plunger diameters create very high pressures. This same size syringe can

be used for the hCG injections, which are subcutaneous injections.

Those afraid that all these shots will have them hobbling around the office,

take comfort- using small needles like these greatly reduces muscle damage and

residual soreness.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: generalusgrant <generalusgrant@...>

> Subject: I finally am on testosterone shots: advice needed

>

> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:20 PM

> I have been on Androgel since May,

> 2009. For the first 6 months it absorbed nicely and it gots

> my levels from 317 to 800. Then in January I crashed and

> felt worse than I have ever felt in my life.

>

> I returned for a blood test and my levels were an anemic

> 114. After fighting with my HMO for 3 weeks, the Doctor gave

> me testosterone shots today, 200 mgs. He says I will be on

> shots now for the rest of my life.

>

> I have to return in three weeks for the next 200 mg. shot.

> He said thereafter he will probably put me on 200 mg.'s

> every two weeks.

>

> Does this sound like a sound diagnosis? Or should I be

> getting 100 mg's every week? Thank you for any input.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I've contacted the pharmacy for a 10ml vial of Tcyp. It's around $108 without

insurance coverage. This is about 20 weeks supply. That's a good call Phil.

I got my first T cyp 2 weeks ago. They gave me (2) 1ml vials and charged me $32.

I got hosed on that. Rookie mistake.

>

> > From: generalusgrant <generalusgrant@...>

> > Subject: Re: I finally am on testosterone shots: advice

needed

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 9:29 AM

> > My HMO will not allow me to

> > self-inject.

> >

> > Can anyone answer whether 200 mg's every three weeks is a

> > sound strategy or lousy? Should I be getting 100 mg's once a

> > week?

> >

> >

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