Re: my doctors appointment yesterday

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Steriods does cause short / long term side effects regardless if you stopped

using it. Its a scheduled drug for a reason; it does cause a body medical harm.

Did you tell your docs you abused steriods? If not please do because they would

know how to better treat you.

my doctors appointment yesterday

so I see an endocrinologist in hershey...despite my symptons of no sex drive,

weak erections, stopped facial hair growth, aching bones, he says my numbers are

looking good

lh 4 1 - 19

fsh 8 1-19

testosterone 260 250-1000

so then I ask well what about all my symptons of low testosterone....no

spontaneous erections, no sex drive, pelvic pain, tired, fatigue, and mental

illness when I let my t go natural....and he says there is no different in t

levels and its effects from anything above 250.....he also says that there since

my t rose 25% in three months this is prove it is coming back?????

it was 226 in october but 260 in janurary....

not sure what to make of these doctors....do they really think 250 is normal

for a 6'2 230 lbs guy who feels shitty all the time? wow, waitt until my t

starts to drop as i get older.....doctors driving me crazy....

and I want to say one thing about my problem....after I stopped cold on

steroids in 1993 and had the nasty side effects.....I used to get bloody noses

when I masterbated.....and I let it go and staryed off of roids or trt for four

years and it didn't fix me at all, I would still get those bloody noses...I

finally went back on trt and this stopped them? hmmmm

I don't know why my level isn't 50 or 35...but it is borderline low....like my

mom naturally has a low blood pressure....some nurse aide ggot into a debate

with me on this at a bar...saying there is a range...it isn't naturally

low.....lol....wow what do they teach medical people.

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yeah, over 18 years ago...andI then I on TRT after no steroids or trt for four

years. there is no doubt the short-term use messed up my system. I told the

doc...they still beleive the system should restart.....I had gnrh stimulation

test done.

>

> Steriods does cause short / long term side effects regardless if you stopped

using it. Its a scheduled drug for a reason; it does cause a body medical harm.

Did you tell your docs you abused steriods? If not please do because they would

know how to better treat you.

>

> my doctors appointment yesterday

>

>

> so I see an endocrinologist in hershey...despite my symptons of no sex drive,

weak erections, stopped facial hair growth, aching bones, he says my numbers are

looking good

>

> lh 4 1 - 19

> fsh 8 1-19

>

> testosterone 260 250-1000

>

> so then I ask well what about all my symptons of low testosterone....no

spontaneous erections, no sex drive, pelvic pain, tired, fatigue, and mental

illness when I let my t go natural....and he says there is no different in t

levels and its effects from anything above 250.....he also says that there since

my t rose 25% in three months this is prove it is coming back?????

>

> it was 226 in october but 260 in janurary....

>

> not sure what to make of these doctors....do they really think 250 is normal

for a 6'2 230 lbs guy who feels shitty all the time? wow, waitt until my t

starts to drop as i get older.....doctors driving me crazy....

>

> and I want to say one thing about my problem....after I stopped cold on

steroids in 1993 and had the nasty side effects.....I used to get bloody noses

when I masterbated.....and I let it go and staryed off of roids or trt for four

years and it didn't fix me at all, I would still get those bloody noses...I

finally went back on trt and this stopped them? hmmmm

>

> I don't know why my level isn't 50 or 35...but it is borderline low....like

my mom naturally has a low blood pressure....some nurse aide ggot into a debate

with me on this at a bar...saying there is a range...it isn't naturally

low.....lol....wow what do they teach medical people.

>

>

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

They don't get trained on hormones I was told they get 6 hrs of schooling about

them. I hear this all the time from men seeing Endo's stop seeing them they are

useless on hormones. You are to the far left of the Standard Deviation on a

bell cerve. The standard deviation is a statistic of all the men sampled in the

labs range your at the bottom % of all them men. Your levels are that of a man

over 100 yrs old. Them Dam Endo's don't even know there math.

http://www.intelligencetest.com/stan-deviation.htm

Guys stop letting your Dr.'s send you to see Endo's they are not up on hormones

for any one. To me the word Endo means dumb A**.

http://www.mens-hormonal-health.com/normal-testosterone-levels-in-men.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: my doctors appointment yesterday

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:46 AM

> so I see an endocrinologist in

> hershey...despite my symptons of no sex drive, weak

> erections, stopped facial hair growth, aching bones, he says

> my numbers are looking good

>

> lh 4   1 - 19

> fsh  8   1-19

>

> testosterone  260   250-1000

>

> so then I ask well what about all my symptons of low

> testosterone....no spontaneous erections, no sex drive,

> pelvic pain, tired, fatigue, and mental illness when I let

> my t go natural....and he says there is no different in t

> levels and its effects from anything above 250.....he also

> says that there since my t rose 25% in three months this is

> prove it is coming back?????

>

> it was 226 in october but 260 in janurary....

>

> not sure what to make of these doctors....do they really

> think 250 is normal for a 6'2 230 lbs guy who feels shitty

> all the time? wow, waitt until my t starts to drop as i get

> older.....doctors driving me crazy....

>

> and I want to say one thing about my problem....after I

> stopped cold on steroids in 1993 and had the nasty side

> effects.....I used to get bloody noses when I

> masterbated.....and I let it go and staryed off of roids or

> trt for four years and it didn't fix me at all, I would

> still get those bloody noses...I finally went back on trt

> and this stopped them? hmmmm

>

> I don't know why my level isn't 50 or 35...but it is

> borderline low....like  my mom naturally has a low

> blood pressure....some nurse aide ggot into a debate with me

> on this at a bar...saying there is a range...it isn't

> naturally low.....lol....wow what do they teach medical

> people.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

really, only 6 hours.... well I guess when your main responsibility is

insulin....testosterone and estrogen seem less important...Iknow I also told the

doctors that urologists recommend alevel of 500-600 for healthiest prostate and

penis. and that is when he went off about the range....I know about the bell

curve...I loved statistics in college

>

> > From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> > Subject: my doctors appointment yesterday

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:46 AM

> > so I see an endocrinologist in

> > hershey...despite my symptons of no sex drive, weak

> > erections, stopped facial hair growth, aching bones, he says

> > my numbers are looking good

> >

> > lh 4   1 - 19

> > fsh  8   1-19

> >

> > testosterone  260   250-1000

> >

> > so then I ask well what about all my symptons of low

> > testosterone....no spontaneous erections, no sex drive,

> > pelvic pain, tired, fatigue, and mental illness when I let

> > my t go natural....and he says there is no different in t

> > levels and its effects from anything above 250.....he also

> > says that there since my t rose 25% in three months this is

> > prove it is coming back?????

> >

> > it was 226 in october but 260 in janurary....

> >

> > not sure what to make of these doctors....do they really

> > think 250 is normal for a 6'2 230 lbs guy who feels shitty

> > all the time? wow, waitt until my t starts to drop as i get

> > older.....doctors driving me crazy....

> >

> > and I want to say one thing about my problem....after I

> > stopped cold on steroids in 1993 and had the nasty side

> > effects.....I used to get bloody noses when I

> > masterbated.....and I let it go and staryed off of roids or

> > trt for four years and it didn't fix me at all, I would

> > still get those bloody noses...I finally went back on trt

> > and this stopped them? hmmmm

> >

> > I don't know why my level isn't 50 or 35...but it is

> > borderline low....like  my mom naturally has a low

> > blood pressure....some nurse aide ggot into a debate with me

> > on this at a bar...saying there is a range...it isn't

> > naturally low.....lol....wow what do they teach medical

> > people.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Before I retired I was a Quality Control Engineer I learned SPC from a book for

work and applied it to Checking fixtures so we could tell when the machines that

make the body parts were going to fail and need repair before then failed.

I was a welding machines Designer then a Tool Maker then an Engineer. I worked

hard to get where I was only to get sick from an Auto Accident from a drunk

driver. I sued him he filed for bankruptcy he got the gold mine I got the

shaft.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: Re: my doctors appointment yesterday

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:03 PM

>

> really, only 6 hours.... well I guess when your main

> responsibility is insulin....testosterone and estrogen seem

> less important...Iknow I also told the doctors that

> urologists recommend alevel of 500-600 for healthiest

> prostate and penis. and that is when he went off about the

> range....I know about the bell curve...I loved statistics in

> college

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> > > Subject: my doctors appointment

> yesterday

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:46 AM

> > > so I see an endocrinologist in

> > > hershey...despite my symptons of no sex drive,

> weak

> > > erections, stopped facial hair growth, aching

> bones, he says

> > > my numbers are looking good

> > >

> > > lh 4   1 - 19

> > > fsh  8   1-19

> > >

> > > testosterone  260   250-1000

> > >

> > > so then I ask well what about all my symptons of

> low

> > > testosterone....no spontaneous erections, no sex

> drive,

> > > pelvic pain, tired, fatigue, and mental illness

> when I let

> > > my t go natural....and he says there is no

> different in t

> > > levels and its effects from anything above

> 250.....he also

> > > says that there since my t rose 25% in three

> months this is

> > > prove it is coming back?????

> > >

> > > it was 226 in october but 260 in janurary....

> > >

> > > not sure what to make of these doctors....do they

> really

> > > think 250 is normal for a 6'2 230 lbs guy who

> feels shitty

> > > all the time? wow, waitt until my t starts to

> drop as i get

> > > older.....doctors driving me crazy....

> > >

> > > and I want to say one thing about my

> problem....after I

> > > stopped cold on steroids in 1993 and had the

> nasty side

> > > effects.....I used to get bloody noses when I

> > > masterbated.....and I let it go and staryed off

> of roids or

> > > trt for four years and it didn't fix me at all, I

> would

> > > still get those bloody noses...I finally went

> back on trt

> > > and this stopped them? hmmmm

> > >

> > > I don't know why my level isn't 50 or 35...but it

> is

> > > borderline low....like  my mom naturally has a

> low

> > > blood pressure....some nurse aide ggot into a

> debate with me

> > > on this at a bar...saying there is a range...it

> isn't

> > > naturally low.....lol....wow what do they teach

> medical

> > > people.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

that stinks..

> From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> Subject: Re: my doctors appointment yesterday

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 1:03 PM

>

> really, only 6 hours.... well I guess when your main

> responsibility is insulin....testosterone and estrogen seem

> less important...Iknow I also told the doctors that

> urologists recommend alevel of 500-600 for healthiest

> prostate and penis. and that is when he went off about the

> range....I know about the bell curve...I loved statistics in

> college

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: justinm <jtmoy19607@...>

> > > Subject: my doctors appointment

> yesterday

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 4:46 AM

> > > so I see an endocrinologist in

> > > hershey...despite my symptons of no sex drive,

> weak

> > > erections, stopped facial hair growth, aching

> bones, he says

> > > my numbers are looking good

> > >

> > > lh 4   1 - 19

> > > fsh  8   1-19

> > >

> > > testosterone  260   250-1000

> > >

> > > so then I ask well what about all my symptons of

> low

> > > testosterone....no spontaneous erections, no sex

> drive,

> > > pelvic pain, tired, fatigue, and mental illness

> when I let

> > > my t go natural....and he says there is no

> different in t

> > > levels and its effects from anything above

> 250.....he also

> > > says that there since my t rose 25% in three

> months this is

> > > prove it is coming back?????

> > >

> > > it was 226 in october but 260 in janurary....

> > >

> > > not sure what to make of these doctors....do they

> really

> > > think 250 is normal for a 6'2 230 lbs guy who

> feels shitty

> > > all the time? wow, waitt until my t starts to

> drop as i get

> > > older.....doctors driving me crazy....

> > >

> > > and I want to say one thing about my

> problem....after I

> > > stopped cold on steroids in 1993 and had the

> nasty side

> > > effects.....I used to get bloody noses when I

> > > masterbated.....and I let it go and staryed off

> of roids or

> > > trt for four years and it didn't fix me at all, I

> would

> > > still get those bloody noses...I finally went

> back on trt

> > > and this stopped them? hmmmm

> > >

> > > I don't know why my level isn't 50 or 35...but it

> is

> > > borderline low....like  my mom naturally has a

> low

> > > blood pressure....some nurse aide ggot into a

> debate with me

> > > on this at a bar...saying there is a range...it

> isn't

> > > naturally low.....lol....wow what do they teach

> medical

> > > people.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >