Re: Hormone allergies, anyone heard of this?

[Guest guest]

Yes at Dr. 's forum there are a few men with low T due to this. There body

attacks there Testosterone hormones. And going on TRT it's hard to get there

levels up. Very strange.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone heard of this?

>

> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

> My Dr just came across an article on

> " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> it more.  Essentially the body binds up hormones

> because it thinks they are

> allergens, the body is producing the hormones it needs but

> they are of no

> use because they are bound.

>

> On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range 15-500),

> this is the allergen

> response mechanism, and there are some other items that

> were pointing

> somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune disease but the

> standard

> autoimmune tests came back negative.

>

> Just curious if anyone has heard of this situation, and if

> so knew of any

> good info or links about it.

>

> BR//Matt

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm, this could be interesting then and I will check out the forums over

there. This may explain why I didn't really feel any difference between

2.5g Androgel vs 5g or even 10g back when I was on it.

BR//Matt

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:35 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> Yes at Dr. 's forum there are a few men with low T due to this. There

> body attacks there Testosterone hormones. And going on TRT it's hard to get

> there levels up. Very strange.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone heard of this?

> >

> > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

>

> > My Dr just came across an article on

> > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > it more. Essentially the body binds up hormones

> > because it thinks they are

> > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it needs but

> > they are of no

> > use because they are bound.

> >

> > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range 15-500),

> > this is the allergen

> > response mechanism, and there are some other items that

> > were pointing

> > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune disease but the

> > standard

> > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> >

> > Just curious if anyone has heard of this situation, and if

> > so knew of any

> > good info or links about it.

> >

> > BR//Matt

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

One guy can't add T to high body so he dose HCG and or Clomid. Hardasnails is

up on this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone

> heard of this?

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

> >

> > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > > it more.  Essentially the body binds up

> hormones

> > > because it thinks they are

> > > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it

> needs but

> > > they are of no

> > > use because they are bound.

> > >

> > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range

> 15-500),

> > > this is the allergen

> > > response mechanism, and there are some other

> items that

> > > were pointing

> > > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune

> disease but the

> > > standard

> > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > >

> > > Just curious if anyone has heard of this

> situation, and if

> > > so knew of any

> > > good info or links about it.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

So do ones with autoimmune destruction of their testosterone just take more

to get their levels up? I'd assume this inactivated testosterone wouldn't be

showing up on a blood level.

I've heard about T3 antibodies and T3 receptor antibodies. I guess the body

could attack just about anything.

-Nigel

On 28 February 2011 11:35, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> Yes at Dr. 's forum there are a few men with low T due to this. There

> body attacks there Testosterone hormones. And going on TRT it's hard to get

> there levels up. Very strange.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone heard of this?

> >

> > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

>

> > My Dr just came across an article on

> > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > it more. Essentially the body binds up hormones

> > because it thinks they are

> > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it needs but

> > they are of no

> > use because they are bound.

> >

> > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range 15-500),

> > this is the allergen

> > response mechanism, and there are some other items that

> > were pointing

> > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune disease but the

> > standard

> > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> >

> > Just curious if anyone has heard of this situation, and if

> > so knew of any

> > good info or links about it.

> >

> > BR//Matt

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

If anyone can point me to any articles or other resources about this, I

would be appreciative. I have always had tons of allergies and my family

has a history of autoimmune problems. I think it is an interesting angle...

Hormone allergies, anyone heard of this?

> >

> > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

>

> > My Dr just came across an article on

> > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > it more. Essentially the body binds up hormones

> > because it thinks they are

> > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it needs but

> > they are of no

> > use because they are bound.

> >

> > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range 15-500),

> > this is the allergen

> > response mechanism, and there are some other items that

> > were pointing

> > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune disease but the

> > standard

> > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> >

> > Just curious if anyone has heard of this situation, and if

> > so knew of any

> > good info or links about it.

> >

> > BR//Matt

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Many with prolonged allergies etc can benefit from testing saliva cortisol

levels. Without sufficient cortisol being produced, your body will be immune

compromised in many ways..EL

> >

> > > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone heard of this?

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

> >

> > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > > it more. Essentially the body binds up hormones

> > > because it thinks they are

> > > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it needs but

> > > they are of no

> > > use because they are bound.

> > >

> > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range 15-500),

> > > this is the allergen

> > > response mechanism, and there are some other items that

> > > were pointing

> > > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune disease but the

> > > standard

> > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > >

> > > Just curious if anyone has heard of this situation, and if

> > > so knew of any

> > > good info or links about it.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

What is a normal " serum cortisol " reading? My ranges are 4-22 I believe

(quest), I was 9 before T treatment and 11 after the first week of T. I

feel ok in the morning but I still have a lot of low energy periods, mostly

in the evening, its more of a brain fog then physical tiredness.

I did 6 point saliva and had two slightly below range, and the other 4

mostly at the bottom of the range.

Hormone allergy would make sense to me, I used to get sinus infections about

twice a year, since I started working out a lot more the past few years I

have not gotten them although have had some head colds. Exercise raises

cortisol, which suppresses immune function. I also feel a lot better when I

am regularly working out.

BR//Matt

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 5:50 AM, mbmom123 <lathe30248@...> wrote:

>

>

> Many with prolonged allergies etc can benefit from testing saliva cortisol

> levels. Without sufficient cortisol being produced, your body will be immune

> compromised in many ways..EL

>

>

>

> > >

> > > > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

>

> > > > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone heard of this?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

> > >

> > > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > > > it more. Essentially the body binds up hormones

> > > > because it thinks they are

> > > > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it needs but

> > > > they are of no

> > > > use because they are bound.

> > > >

> > > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range 15-500),

> > > > this is the allergen

> > > > response mechanism, and there are some other items that

> > > > were pointing

> > > > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune disease but the

> > > > standard

> > > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > > >

> > > > Just curious if anyone has heard of this situation, and if

> > > > so knew of any

> > > > good info or links about it.

> > > >

> > > > BR//Matt

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

It seams like the Anti's go nuts when you add Testosterone to the body Dr.

Shippen has a guy like this they are not sure if it's autoimmune there is no

test for this but his Anti's are high for Thyroid.

He takes HCG only to keep his T levels up others do Clomid a new pill like

Clomid is coming out that does not have the sides Clomid has when this comes out

I am even going to try it because I am Secondary.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone

> heard of this?

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

> >

> > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > > it more.  Essentially the body binds up

> hormones

> > > because it thinks they are

> > > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it

> needs but

> > > they are of no

> > > use because they are bound.

> > >

> > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range

> 15-500),

> > > this is the allergen

> > > response mechanism, and there are some other

> items that

> > > were pointing

> > > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune

> disease but the

> > > standard

> > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > >

> > > Just curious if anyone has heard of this

> situation, and if

> > > so knew of any

> > > good info or links about it.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You might find what I wrote about allergies interesting:

http://tiredthyroid.com/asthma.html

Barb

> > >

> > > > From: Matt <mattjon332@>

> > > > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone heard of this?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

> > >

> > > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > > > it more. Essentially the body binds up hormones

> > > > because it thinks they are

> > > > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it needs but

> > > > they are of no

> > > > use because they are bound.

> > > >

> > > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range 15-500),

> > > > this is the allergen

> > > > response mechanism, and there are some other items that

> > > > were pointing

> > > > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune disease but the

> > > > standard

> > > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > > >

> > > > Just curious if anyone has heard of this situation, and if

> > > > so knew of any

> > > > good info or links about it.

> > > >

> > > > BR//Matt

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I could never find good info about this see for your self.

http://tinyurl.com/4j5dcm9

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone

> heard of this?

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

> >

> > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > > it more.  Essentially the body binds up

> hormones

> > > because it thinks they are

> > > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it

> needs but

> > > they are of no

> > > use because they are bound.

> > >

> > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range

> 15-500),

> > > this is the allergen

> > > response mechanism, and there are some other

> items that

> > > were pointing

> > > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune

> disease but the

> > > standard

> > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > >

> > > Just curious if anyone has heard of this

> situation, and if

> > > so knew of any

> > > good info or links about it.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

On a blood morning fasting blood test anything 12 or lower is bad the ranges

today are lower then they were yrs. ago and some Dr. feel the new ranges are not

high enough.

Some of the men at Dr. 's for reading and trying Chilln's Sticky " Hormones

101 " are fixing there low cortisol levels using Preg. cream.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > Many with prolonged allergies etc can benefit from

> testing saliva cortisol

> > levels. Without sufficient cortisol being produced,

> your body will be immune

> > compromised in many ways..EL

> >

> >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt

> <mattjon332@...>

> >

> > > > > Subject: Hormone

> allergies, anyone heard of this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55

> AM

> > > >

> > > > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > > > " hormone allergies " and is looking

> into

> > > > > it more. Essentially the body binds up

> hormones

> > > > > because it thinks they are

> > > > > allergens, the body is producing the

> hormones it needs but

> > > > > they are of no

> > > > > use because they are bound.

> > > > >

> > > > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0

> (range 15-500),

> > > > > this is the allergen

> > > > > response mechanism, and there are some

> other items that

> > > > > were pointing

> > > > > somewhat in the direction of an

> autoimmune disease but the

> > > > > standard

> > > > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just curious if anyone has heard of

> this situation, and if

> > > > > so knew of any

> > > > > good info or links about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > BR//Matt

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Matt, in addition to what Phil said about serum cortisol, the saliva testing

is pretty revealing of weak adrenals. What were your levels, with ranges?

Low morning levels are a lot worse than other times of the day.

-Nigel

On 1 March 2011 09:35, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

> What is a normal " serum cortisol " reading? My ranges are 4-22 I believe

> (quest), I was 9 before T treatment and 11 after the first week of T. I

> feel ok in the morning but I still have a lot of low energy periods, mostly

> in the evening, its more of a brain fog then physical tiredness.

>

> I did 6 point saliva and had two slightly below range, and the other 4

> mostly at the bottom of the range.

>

> Hormone allergy would make sense to me, I used to get sinus infections

> about

> twice a year, since I started working out a lot more the past few years I

> have not gotten them although have had some head colds. Exercise raises

> cortisol, which suppresses immune function. I also feel a lot better when

> I

> am regularly working out.

>

> BR//Matt

>

[Guest guest]

Huh, so is the thinking that he won't induce an autoimmune-type attack if he

takes HCG, but he will with testosterone shots?

Don't get too excited about those newfangled drugs they keep talking about,

Phil.

I'm excited about femara going generic this year as I assume that will then

allow compounding with its raw active ingredient. This interests me as I

can't use brand name or generic pharmaceutical Arimidex due an inactive

ingredient in all of them. Since this is supposed to offer less side effects

compared to anastrozole, like with suppressing growth hormone, this

intrigues me. But, I don't expect it to work perfectly as it's still an

alien substance in the body with potential side effects (even when dosed

appropriately).

-Nigel

On 1 March 2011 09:39, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> It seams like the Anti's go nuts when you add Testosterone to the body Dr.

> Shippen has a guy like this they are not sure if it's autoimmune there is no

> test for this but his Anti's are high for Thyroid.

>

> He takes HCG only to keep his T levels up others do Clomid a new pill like

> Clomid is coming out that does not have the sides Clomid has when this comes

> out I am even going to try it because I am Secondary.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > >

> > > > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > > > Subject: Hormone allergies, anyone

> > heard of this?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55 AM

> > >

> > > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > > " hormone allergies " and is looking into

> > > > it more. Essentially the body binds up

> > hormones

> > > > because it thinks they are

> > > > allergens, the body is producing the hormones it

> > needs but

> > > > they are of no

> > > > use because they are bound.

> > > >

> > > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0 (range

> > 15-500),

> > > > this is the allergen

> > > > response mechanism, and there are some other

> > items that

> > > > were pointing

> > > > somewhat in the direction of an autoimmune

> > disease but the

> > > > standard

> > > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > > >

> > > > Just curious if anyone has heard of this

> > situation, and if

> > > > so knew of any

> > > > good info or links about it.

> > > >

> > > > BR//Matt

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Cortisol:

My range Norm Low Norm High

8AM 3.42 3.5 6.3

Noon 1.63 1.4 2.8

4PM 1.07 0.8 2.4

8PM 0.57 0.6 1.6

Midnight 0.83 0.3 1.2

4AM 1.79 0.3 1.7

DHEA-S:

My Range Normal LOW Normal HIGH

8AM 2.6 2.8 12.7

8PM 3.1 2.7 9

Midnight 5.9 1.8 8.1

I attached a graph of the results, I think it makes them easier to

understand.

FYI it has been a few years now, but I worked nights for about 6 years

straight, rarely going to day shift during that time. My job now I still

occasionally work nights, I don't think I had within a week or so of the

test results above however. I mention this because visually it seems like

the chart almost indicates a reverse circadium rhythm.

BR//Matt

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

>

> Matt, in addition to what Phil said about serum cortisol, the saliva

> testing

> is pretty revealing of weak adrenals. What were your levels, with ranges?

>

> Low morning levels are a lot worse than other times of the day.

>

> -Nigel

>

>

> On 1 March 2011 09:35, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

>

> > What is a normal " serum cortisol " reading? My ranges are 4-22 I believe

> > (quest), I was 9 before T treatment and 11 after the first week of T. I

> > feel ok in the morning but I still have a lot of low energy periods,

> mostly

> > in the evening, its more of a brain fog then physical tiredness.

> >

> > I did 6 point saliva and had two slightly below range, and the other 4

> > mostly at the bottom of the range.

> >

> > Hormone allergy would make sense to me, I used to get sinus infections

> > about

> > twice a year, since I started working out a lot more the past few years I

> > have not gotten them although have had some head colds. Exercise raises

> > cortisol, which suppresses immune function. I also feel a lot better when

> > I

> > am regularly working out.

> >

> > BR//Matt

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Most of the time allergies to Testosterone meds are from the fillers in them.

Hardasnails is in town and called me last night he is up on this and said when

get gets time he will be back here posting. He is go to say Hi to Dr.

today.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > >

> > > > > From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > > > > Subject: Hormone

> allergies, anyone

> > > heard of this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 11:55

> AM

> > > >

> > > > > My Dr just came across an article on

> > > > > " hormone allergies " and is looking

> into

> > > > > it more.  Essentially the body

> binds up

> > > hormones

> > > > > because it thinks they are

> > > > > allergens, the body is producing the

> hormones it

> > > needs but

> > > > > they are of no

> > > > > use because they are bound.

> > > > >

> > > > > On my blood tests my EOSINOPHILS were 0

> (range

> > > 15-500),

> > > > > this is the allergen

> > > > > response mechanism, and there are some

> other

> > > items that

> > > > > were pointing

> > > > > somewhat in the direction of an

> autoimmune

> > > disease but the

> > > > > standard

> > > > > autoimmune tests came back negative.

> > > > >

> > > > > Just curious if anyone has heard of

> this

> > > situation, and if

> > > > > so knew of any

> > > > > good info or links about it.

> > > > >

> > > > > BR//Matt

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Matt,

Your graph did not show up you can't show things like that here but you can put

it on this links and post a link to it. And you can scan your labs and put it on

this link and post a link to them.

http://imageshack.us/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > What is a normal " serum cortisol " reading? My

> ranges are 4-22 I believe

> > > (quest), I was 9 before T treatment and 11 after

> the first week of T. I

> > > feel ok in the morning but I still have a lot of

> low energy periods,

> > mostly

> > > in the evening, its more of a brain fog then

> physical tiredness.

> > >

> > > I did 6 point saliva and had two slightly below

> range, and the other 4

> > > mostly at the bottom of the range.

> > >

> > > Hormone allergy would make sense to me, I used to

> get sinus infections

> > > about

> > > twice a year, since I started working out a lot

> more the past few years I

> > > have not gotten them although have had some head

> colds. Exercise raises

> > > cortisol, which suppresses immune function. I

> also feel a lot better when

> > > I

> > > am regularly working out.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Matt, what makes you think your circadian rhythm is off there?

You're below range at 8 AM and that's pretty bad.

No, raising cortisol to more optimal levels strengthens the immune system as

it allows the body to function better and get over attacks faster and

possibly resist them in the first place. Low cortisol, Cushing's or

pharmacological HC doses reduce resistance to infections. I recover from a

virus easily compared to my low cortisol days where I felt near death.

-Nigel

On 1 March 2011 18:01, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

> Cortisol:

> My range Norm Low Norm High

> 8AM 3.42 3.5 6.3

> Noon 1.63 1.4 2.8

> 4PM 1.07 0.8 2.4

> 8PM 0.57 0.6 1.6

> Midnight 0.83 0.3 1.2

> 4AM 1.79 0.3 1.7

>

> DHEA-S:

>

> My Range Normal LOW Normal HIGH

> 8AM 2.6 2.8 12.7

> 8PM 3.1 2.7 9

> Midnight 5.9 1.8 8.1

>

> I attached a graph of the results, I think it makes them easier to

> understand.

>

> FYI it has been a few years now, but I worked nights for about 6 years

> straight, rarely going to day shift during that time. My job now I still

> occasionally work nights, I don't think I had within a week or so of the

> test results above however. I mention this because visually it seems like

> the chart almost indicates a reverse circadium rhythm.

>

> BR//Matt

>

[Guest guest]

I flipped the chart around, your right it doesn't look like it is off as

much as I thought just eyeballing the numbers.

I realize that in proper levels cortisol can help with infections and so

forth, but I was going off this:

http://immunedisorders.homestead.com/stress.html

When cortisol is raised it can suppress the immune system function, my point

was I feel my best when I am working out very hard and often, which would

raise cortisol, which would suppress the immune system. If the immune

system is suppressed then if I do have hormone allergies they would not be

able to bind up as much hormones and I would feel better. It is just a

theory I am wondering about, because I do think I feel better for the most

part when I am consistently having harder workouts.

The counter to that though is excess working out can fatigue the adrenals, a

catch 22 of sorts.

BR//Matt

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

>

> Matt, what makes you think your circadian rhythm is off there?

>

> You're below range at 8 AM and that's pretty bad.

>

> No, raising cortisol to more optimal levels strengthens the immune system

> as

> it allows the body to function better and get over attacks faster and

> possibly resist them in the first place. Low cortisol, Cushing's or

> pharmacological HC doses reduce resistance to infections. I recover from a

> virus easily compared to my low cortisol days where I felt near death.

>

> -Nigel

>

>

> On 1 March 2011 18:01, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

>

> > Cortisol:

> > My range Norm Low Norm High

> > 8AM 3.42 3.5 6.3

> > Noon 1.63 1.4 2.8

> > 4PM 1.07 0.8 2.4

> > 8PM 0.57 0.6 1.6

> > Midnight 0.83 0.3 1.2

> > 4AM 1.79 0.3 1.7

> >

> > DHEA-S:

> >

> > My Range Normal LOW Normal HIGH

> > 8AM 2.6 2.8 12.7

> > 8PM 3.1 2.7 9

> > Midnight 5.9 1.8 8.1

> >

> > I attached a graph of the results, I think it makes them easier to

> > understand.

> >

> > FYI it has been a few years now, but I worked nights for about 6 years

> > straight, rarely going to day shift during that time. My job now I still

> > occasionally work nights, I don't think I had within a week or so of the

> > test results above however. I mention this because visually it seems like

> > the chart almost indicates a reverse circadium rhythm.

> >

> > BR//Matt

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'd be surprised if your adrenals are giving you Cushing's when you work out

and weakening the immune system with saliva results like that.

Just because cortisol goes up from activity doesn't mean you cross into

Cushing's territory yet. That's more like chronically elevated cortisol,

especially when there's no need for the body to have levels that high (like

if high cortisol occurs late at night).

Yes, there are varying viewpoints on it, but activity further stresses the

adrenals.

-Nigel

On 2 March 2011 15:30, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

> I flipped the chart around, your right it doesn't look like it is off as

> much as I thought just eyeballing the numbers.

>

> I realize that in proper levels cortisol can help with infections and so

> forth, but I was going off this:

>

> http://immunedisorders.homestead.com/stress.html

>

> When cortisol is raised it can suppress the immune system function, my

> point

> was I feel my best when I am working out very hard and often, which would

> raise cortisol, which would suppress the immune system. If the immune

> system is suppressed then if I do have hormone allergies they would not be

> able to bind up as much hormones and I would feel better. It is just a

> theory I am wondering about, because I do think I feel better for the most

> part when I am consistently having harder workouts.

>

> The counter to that though is excess working out can fatigue the adrenals,

> a

> catch 22 of sorts.

>

> BR//Matt

>

> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Matt, what makes you think your circadian rhythm is off there?

> >

> > You're below range at 8 AM and that's pretty bad.

> >

> > No, raising cortisol to more optimal levels strengthens the immune system

> > as

> > it allows the body to function better and get over attacks faster and

> > possibly resist them in the first place. Low cortisol, Cushing's or

> > pharmacological HC doses reduce resistance to infections. I recover from

> a

> > virus easily compared to my low cortisol days where I felt near death.

> >

> > -Nigel

> >

> >

> > On 1 March 2011 18:01, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Cortisol:

> > > My range Norm Low Norm High

> > > 8AM 3.42 3.5 6.3

> > > Noon 1.63 1.4 2.8

> > > 4PM 1.07 0.8 2.4

> > > 8PM 0.57 0.6 1.6

> > > Midnight 0.83 0.3 1.2

> > > 4AM 1.79 0.3 1.7

> > >

> > > DHEA-S:

> > >

> > > My Range Normal LOW Normal HIGH

> > > 8AM 2.6 2.8 12.7

> > > 8PM 3.1 2.7 9

> > > Midnight 5.9 1.8 8.1

> > >

> > > I attached a graph of the results, I think it makes them easier to

> > > understand.

> > >

> > > FYI it has been a few years now, but I worked nights for about 6 years

> > > straight, rarely going to day shift during that time. My job now I

> still

> > > occasionally work nights, I don't think I had within a week or so of

> the

> > > test results above however. I mention this because visually it seems

> like

> > > the chart almost indicates a reverse circadium rhythm.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You have a point but I will also just mention when I say intense or hard

workouts I mean like max heart rate type workouts (but shorter duration type

workouts). My creatinine levels and eGFR results were off on my past tests

(1.48 with top normal being 1.33 for creatinine and eGFR of 55 with normal

being >60), this concerned my Dr so much he had an urinalysis ordered and

more testing, so I took a week or so off working out and when we retested

they returned to normal (1.18 and >60, previously diet changes and so forth

did nothing to move the levels so I am convinced its the exercise). My Dr

has patients that are tri-athletes, ultra marathoners, and bodybuilders that

overall probably workout much harder and for much longer durations but not

at the same intensity level as I do, none of them have had as high

creatinine levels as I did.

I realize anyone that reads that will immediately say, there is your

problems, your working out too hard and blowing up your bodys systems, but I

feel better and healthier when I workout like that and I have performance

gains over time so its strange and doesn't seem to be as negative as it

sounds. Due to the creatinine levels situation we just worked through I am

now limiting myself to 3 times per week instead of 4-5 times before, I think

my creatinine levels were probably normal for the situation but might not be

healthy long term. But this is why I had the theory about the immune system

suppression due to exercise, its not just normal exercise its very high

intensity which I assume the body responds too in a more extreme way then

normal exercise activity.

Again its just a theory I personally have, maybe its bunk.

BR//Matt

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

>

> I'd be surprised if your adrenals are giving you Cushing's when you work

> out

> and weakening the immune system with saliva results like that.

>

> Just because cortisol goes up from activity doesn't mean you cross into

> Cushing's territory yet. That's more like chronically elevated cortisol,

> especially when there's no need for the body to have levels that high (like

> if high cortisol occurs late at night).

>

> Yes, there are varying viewpoints on it, but activity further stresses the

> adrenals.

>

> -Nigel

>

>

> On 2 March 2011 15:30, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

>

> > I flipped the chart around, your right it doesn't look like it is off as

> > much as I thought just eyeballing the numbers.

> >

> > I realize that in proper levels cortisol can help with infections and so

> > forth, but I was going off this:

> >

> > http://immunedisorders.homestead.com/stress.html

> >

> > When cortisol is raised it can suppress the immune system function, my

> > point

> > was I feel my best when I am working out very hard and often, which would

> > raise cortisol, which would suppress the immune system. If the immune

> > system is suppressed then if I do have hormone allergies they would not

> be

> > able to bind up as much hormones and I would feel better. It is just a

> > theory I am wondering about, because I do think I feel better for the

> most

> > part when I am consistently having harder workouts.

> >

> > The counter to that though is excess working out can fatigue the

> adrenals,

> > a

> > catch 22 of sorts.

> >

> > BR//Matt

> >

> > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Matt, what makes you think your circadian rhythm is off there?

> > >

> > > You're below range at 8 AM and that's pretty bad.

> > >

> > > No, raising cortisol to more optimal levels strengthens the immune

> system

> > > as

> > > it allows the body to function better and get over attacks faster and

> > > possibly resist them in the first place. Low cortisol, Cushing's or

> > > pharmacological HC doses reduce resistance to infections. I recover

> from

> > a

> > > virus easily compared to my low cortisol days where I felt near death.

> > >

> > > -Nigel

> > >

> > >

> > > On 1 March 2011 18:01, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Cortisol:

> > > > My range Norm Low Norm High

> > > > 8AM 3.42 3.5 6.3

> > > > Noon 1.63 1.4 2.8

> > > > 4PM 1.07 0.8 2.4

> > > > 8PM 0.57 0.6 1.6

> > > > Midnight 0.83 0.3 1.2

> > > > 4AM 1.79 0.3 1.7

> > > >

> > > > DHEA-S:

> > > >

> > > > My Range Normal LOW Normal HIGH

> > > > 8AM 2.6 2.8 12.7

> > > > 8PM 3.1 2.7 9

> > > > Midnight 5.9 1.8 8.1

> > > >

> > > > I attached a graph of the results, I think it makes them easier to

> > > > understand.

> > > >

> > > > FYI it has been a few years now, but I worked nights for about 6

> years

> > > > straight, rarely going to day shift during that time. My job now I

> > still

> > > > occasionally work nights, I don't think I had within a week or so of

> > the

> > > > test results above however. I mention this because visually it seems

> > like

> > > > the chart almost indicates a reverse circadium rhythm.

> > > >

> > > > BR//Matt

> > > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

And Nigel is right on the money about this before I went on HC meds. I was sick

as a dog with sines infections, Bronchitis and what every was going around. Now

I never get sick it's been many yrs now.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > Cortisol:

> >          My range 

>     Norm Low    Norm High

> > 8AM     3.42     

>    3.5 6.3

> > Noon    1.63 1.4 2.8

> > 4PM     1.07 0.8 2.4

> > 8PM     0.57 0.6 1.6

> > Midnight    0.83 0.3 1.2

> > 4AM     1.79 0.3 1.7

> >

> > DHEA-S:

> >

> > My Range   Normal LOW Normal HIGH

> > 8AM   2.6 2.8   12.7

> > 8PM   3.1 2.7   9

> > Midnight  5.9 1.8   8.1

> >

> > I attached a graph of the results, I think it makes

> them easier to

> > understand.

> >

> > FYI it has been a few years now, but I worked nights

> for about 6 years

> > straight, rarely going to day shift during that

> time.  My job now I still

> > occasionally work nights, I don't think I had within a

> week or so of the

> > test results above however.  I mention this

> because visually it seems like

> > the chart almost indicates a reverse circadium

> rhythm.

> >

> >  BR//Matt

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Matt,

I think you would find normal people after a very hard workout in the gym will

have lower levels of cortisol they use it all up. People like you with your

Cortisol tests should not workout at all until they get there Adrenals fixed if

they can.

In normal people if some one shoot at gun at you your cortisol levels would go

up past 2000 to help you over come the stress of this act. In people like us we

would go into Adrenal Crisis. You start to feel weak and shake then get sick to

your stomach if this happens and your not on HC meds you need to get to the ER

it can kill you. If your on HC meds you need to stress dose 5 to 10 mgs every

15 min.'s up to 40 mgs to over come this if you don't then you need to go to the

ER.

I ended up in the ER from this happening 2 2x's in a yr.

Please read this link it's a FAQ's about Adrenals and read this link about the

best parts from the book " Safe Uses of Cortisol " .

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/safe-uses/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > Cortisol:

> > > My range Norm Low Norm High

> > > 8AM 3.42 3.5 6.3

> > > Noon 1.63 1.4 2.8

> > > 4PM 1.07 0.8 2.4

> > > 8PM 0.57 0.6 1.6

> > > Midnight 0.83 0.3 1.2

> > > 4AM 1.79 0.3 1.7

> > >

> > > DHEA-S:

> > >

> > > My Range Normal LOW Normal HIGH

> > > 8AM 2.6 2.8 12.7

> > > 8PM 3.1 2.7 9

> > > Midnight 5.9 1.8 8.1

> > >

> > > I attached a graph of the results, I think it

> makes them easier to

> > > understand.

> > >

> > > FYI it has been a few years now, but I worked

> nights for about 6 years

> > > straight, rarely going to day shift during that

> time. My job now I still

> > > occasionally work nights, I don't think I had

> within a week or so of the

> > > test results above however. I mention this

> because visually it seems like

> > > the chart almost indicates a reverse circadium

> rhythm.

> > >

> > > BR//Matt

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Matt,

With them high levels of creatine it is a problem my levels are very high 308

range 44 – 196 U/L.

from being on Statin Drugs this lowers ones CoQ10 levels and my Myoglobin, Serum

is High 114 range 50 or less mcg/L.

This test shows I don't have damage but if I keep pushing it to exercise I will

have damage. Here is a list of the supplements I was told to take to help my

muscles.

•Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh (400mgs) 3x’s/day mercola.com.

•Lecithin 1200 mgs 2 caps 2x’s/day.

•Acetyl-L Carnitine 500 mg 3x’s/day.

•Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg/day.

•Krill Oil capliques 1,000 mgs. 2 with food morning mercola.com

•Life-Extension-PQQ-Caps-with-Bio-PQQ-10-mgs./day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > >

> > > > > Cortisol:

> > > > > My range Norm Low Norm High

> > > > > 8AM 3.42 3.5 6.3

> > > > > Noon 1.63 1.4 2.8

> > > > > 4PM 1.07 0.8 2.4

> > > > > 8PM 0.57 0.6 1.6

> > > > > Midnight 0.83 0.3 1.2

> > > > > 4AM 1.79 0.3 1.7

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEA-S:

> > > > >

> > > > > My Range Normal LOW Normal HIGH

> > > > > 8AM 2.6 2.8 12.7

> > > > > 8PM 3.1 2.7 9

> > > > > Midnight 5.9 1.8 8.1

> > > > >

> > > > > I attached a graph of the results, I

> think it makes them easier to

> > > > > understand.

> > > > >

> > > > > FYI it has been a few years now, but I

> worked nights for about 6

> > years

> > > > > straight, rarely going to day shift

> during that time. My job now I

> > > still

> > > > > occasionally work nights, I don't think

> I had within a week or so of

> > > the

> > > > > test results above however. I mention

> this because visually it seems

> > > like

> > > > > the chart almost indicates a reverse

> circadium rhythm.

> > > > >

> > > > > BR//Matt

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Matt, it sounds like you feel better from the exercise due to getting more

cortisol out of your adrenals.

-Nigel

On 2 March 2011 16:01, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote:

> ...I feel better and healthier when I workout like that...

>

> BR//Matt

>

[Guest guest]

Matt and Phill, the CoQ10 is an important issue. CoQ10 supplements have good

clinical data supporting that among other benefits they can help reduce blood

pressure. Tom

> > > > >

> > > > > > Cortisol:

> > > > > > My range Norm Low Norm High

> > > > > > 8AM 3.42 3.5 6.3

> > > > > > Noon 1.63 1.4 2.8

> > > > > > 4PM 1.07 0.8 2.4

> > > > > > 8PM 0.57 0.6 1.6

> > > > > > Midnight 0.83 0.3 1.2

> > > > > > 4AM 1.79 0.3 1.7

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DHEA-S:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Range Normal LOW Normal HIGH

> > > > > > 8AM 2.6 2.8 12.7

> > > > > > 8PM 3.1 2.7 9

> > > > > > Midnight 5.9 1.8 8.1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I attached a graph of the results, I

> > think it makes them easier to

> > > > > > understand.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > FYI it has been a few years now, but I

> > worked nights for about 6

> > > years

> > > > > > straight, rarely going to day shift

> > during that time. My job now I

> > > > still

> > > > > > occasionally work nights, I don't think

> > I had within a week or so of

> > > > the

> > > > > > test results above however. I mention

> > this because visually it seems

> > > > like

> > > > > > the chart almost indicates a reverse

> > circadium rhythm.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BR//Matt

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >