Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Rochelle, you need the beta blockers. You need to protect your heart. You will get used to them. Unfortunately we don't have control over this disease, just what we allow it to do to us. You can take care of your heart and you should. Kate Beta Blockers Hi, I went to a new Doctor yesterday and he ordered the RAIU test and an ultrasound for tomorrow. He also prescribed a beta blocker for my heart palpitations. I'm pretty hypersensitive to most medicines, so I asked him for a small dose. Is 50 mg a day going to cause me any side effects? I've just started on it today. The Doctor I saw was highly recommended to me. He is in Internal Medicine. He was the complete opposite of the GP I've had for 27 years! He welcomed questions, respected me, and didn't talk down to me which I greatly appreciated. He also said he would refer me to an Endo if need be. Anything I should know about the RAIU test? Does that small amount of iodine make symptoms worse? I'm slightly worried about the cost of all this as my husband is self-employed and my employer doesn't offer health insurance. We have health insurance, but the deductible is 5000.00 per person! I know it has to be done though. Thanks for any info! Rochelle --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 > > hello > Does anyone know if beta blockers at a low dose TOTALLY block the T4 to > T3 conversion or just partially? I know they are given to hyper > sufferers to relieve their symptoms but I have been given them to > relieve anxiety symtpoms, mainly fast pulse when anxious and heart beat > Thank you > It seems when you are hypo LOTS of drugs affect things! > I take a low dose of betablocker most days but its only about 10mg propananol. I did take 20mg for a while because the lower dose wasn't effective in lowering adrenaline rushes which could be most unpleasant but for the most part 10mg is ok these days. My blood tests show good ranges of T4 and also good ranges of T3 (on 2 grains Armour plus 25 thyroxine) so for me they have only ever helped and never given me any side effects. I ALWAYS feel better when I have taken one and this was right from the start of my CFS crash in 2000. I believe that for those of us who over produce adrenaline at the drop of a hat they are a wonderful aid. Some days I don't take them at all. I wouldn't listen to stories about them stopping T3 conversion, with low doses it certainly hasn't happened with me and I have got the blood results to prove it. Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 If you know of anything that you have been prescribed or are taking that might even partially block conversion of T4 to T3, it would be best to try to not take it. Ask Dr P for his thoughts on this. If you go to the FILES section and read the responses I wrote to the BTA statements on Armour and synthetic T4/T3 therapy, you can read all of the different things that stop or partially block the conversion of T4 to T3 - and yes, there are a lot and sadly, not many doctors are even aware of these. Sheila helloDoes anyone know if beta blockers at a low dose TOTALLY block the T4 to T3 conversion or just partially? I know they are given to hyper sufferers to relieve their symptoms but I have been given them to relieve anxiety symtpoms, mainly fast pulse when anxious and heart beatThank youIt seems when you are hypo LOTS of drugs affect things! No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 16:08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Thanks Pam I got that information from the adrenal site and have done a bit of reasearch myself but like you I only take a max of 20mg of propanolol a day and did ask my doc about the T4 to T3 conversion thing and he seemed to think it was insignificant. I was told on the adrenal site that the minute you take a beta blocker you have NO T3 in your system! I dont want to do anything to cause that but sometimes we need other meds alongside things. At the minute I just want to do anything that helps me. I suppose with me only taking T4 and depending on my own body for T3 it may be different and I am as yet not on enough T4 >> hello> Does anyone know if beta blockers at a low dose TOTALLY block the T4 to > T3 conversion or just partially? I know they are given to hyper > sufferers to relieve their symptoms but I have been given them to > relieve anxiety symtpoms, mainly fast pulse when anxious and heart beat> Thank you> It seems when you are hypo LOTS of drugs affect things!>Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 I spoke with Dr P and told him about the beta blockers and diazapan, I didnt mention the T4 to T3 conversion thing as I wasnt that aware of it, he said at the low dose of propanolol that I was given would do me no harm, I mean if I had extremely high blood pressure I would have to take them or something similar and what about all the other people who arent hypoT and take beta blockers in higher doses? It must surely do the same to them re T4-T3. At the moment I am doing what I can to feel better for my holiday, thats my main worry and concern right now If you know of anything that you have been prescribed or are taking that might even partially block conversion of T4 to T3, it would be best to try to not take it. Ask Dr P for his thoughts on this. If you go to the FILES section and read the responses I wrote to the BTA statements on Armour and synthetic T4/T3 therapy, you can read all of the different things that stop or partially block the conversion of T4 to T3 - and yes, there are a lot and sadly, not many doctors are even aware of these. Sheila helloDoes anyone know if beta blockers at a low dose TOTALLY block the T4 to T3 conversion or just partially? I know they are given to hyper sufferers to relieve their symptoms but I have been given them to relieve anxiety symtpoms, mainly fast pulse when anxious and heart beatThank youIt seems when you are hypo LOTS of drugs affect things! No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 16:08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 > > hello > Does anyone know if beta blockers at a low dose TOTALLY block the T4 to > T3 conversion or just partially? Hi, Flipping heck, l take 160mcg !! this is the first l've heard about this problem. rx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to see if it helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to see if it helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I just wish we all had docs as knowledgeable about PA as Dr. Grim and life would be easier! DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: cowdoc@...Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:15:35 +0000Primary hyperaldosteronism<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockersI guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to see if it helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I would think you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain with a spiro trial. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 6:01 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:I just wish we all had docs as knowledgeable about PA as Dr. Grim and life would be easier! DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) netDate: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:15:35 +0000Primary hyperaldosteronism<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockersI guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to see if it helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 The indications for spiro are drug resistant HTN or difficult HTN or low K or low renin and I think you have most of these as I recall. On Dec 28, 2009, at 3:15 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:I guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to see if it helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Thanks again for all your help and advice!! DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:34:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers I would think you have nothing to lose and a lot to gain with a spiro trial. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 6:01 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I just wish we all had docs as knowledgeable about PA as Dr. Grim and life would be easier! DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) netDate: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:15:35 +0000Primary hyperaldosteronism<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockersI guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to see if it helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronismgroups (DOT) c!om>/div>Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Yes I definitely do and lately the bp has been in the 150-160 systolic and 90-100 diastolic. I have been fighting bad headaches also. One question I have can a micro adrenal tumor be detected with AVS? At the time of my CT no adrenal tumor was seen. But from our previous posts a adrenal tumor less than 1 cm cannot be detected on CT. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2@...>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:37:15 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers The indications for spiro are drug resistant HTN or difficult HTN or low K or low renin and I think you have most of these as I recall. On Dec 28, 2009, at 3:15 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to !see if it helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 And 1 cm tumors must come from smaller ones. So as you can see from my article personal aldosteronism in many cases (as we see on this site) must be present long before group hyperaldosteronism emerges. CE Grim MD On Dec 28, 2009, at 7:03 PM, cowdoc@... wrote:Yes I definitely do and lately the bp has been in the 150-160 systolic and 90-100 diastolic. I have been fighting bad headaches also.One question I have can a micro adrenal tumor be detected with AVS? At the time of my CT no adrenal tumor was seen. But from our previous posts a adrenal tumor less than 1 cm cannot be detected on CT. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:37:15 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers The indications for spiro are drug resistant HTN or difficult HTN or low K or low renin and I think you have most of these as I recall. On Dec 28, 2009, at 3:15 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to ! see if i t helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Yes that is the only way to detect the small ones now nTiped sad Send form miiPhone ;-)May your pressure be low!CE Grim MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Dec 28, 2009, at 5:03 PM, cowdoc@... wrote: Yes I definitely do and lately the bp has been in the 150-160 systolic and 90-100 diastolic. I have been fighting bad headaches also. One question I have can a micro adrenal tumor be detected with AVS? At the time of my CT no adrenal tumor was seen. But from our previous posts a adrenal tumor less than 1 cm cannot be detected on CT. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:37:15 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers The indications for spiro are drug resistant HTN or difficult HTN or low K or low renin and I think you have most of these as I recall. On Dec 28, 2009, at 3:15 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to ! see if i t helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism >Subject: Re: Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 You can have unilateral hyperplasia with no tumor and it will be detected by AVS. Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs): http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.html http://mikeybdc.blogspot.com I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 My bet is that unilateral hyperplasia is rarely Dxed anymore as we dont usually do both glands. When we did we found both side affected. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Bindner wrote:You can have unilateral hyperplasia with no tumor and it will be detected by AVS. Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs):http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.htmlhttp://mikeybdc.blogspot.com --- On Mon, 12/28/09, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:From: cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Beta blockers"Primary hyperaldosteronism" <hyperaldosteronism >Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 8:03 PM Yes I definitely do and lately the bp has been in the 150-160 systolic and 90-100 diastolic. I have been fighting bad headaches also.One question I have can a micro adrenal tumor be detected with AVS? At the time of my CT no adrenal tumor was seen. But from our previous posts a adrenal tumor less than 1 cm cannot be detected on CT. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac (DOT) com>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:37:15 -0600<hyperaldosteronism>Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Beta blockers The indications for spiro are drug resistant HTN or difficult HTN or low K or low renin and I think you have most of these as I recall. On Dec 28, 2009, at 3:15 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac (DOT) com>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism>Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to ! see if i t helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac (DOT) com>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism>Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 My bet is that unilateral hyperplasia is rarely Dxed anymore as we dont usually do both glands. When we did we found both side affected. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 10:35 PM, Bindner wrote:You can have unilateral hyperplasia with no tumor and it will be detected by AVS. Bindner Web Directory (links to my sites and blogs):http://www.geocities.com/mikeybdc/index.htmlhttp://mikeybdc.blogspot.com --- On Mon, 12/28/09, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:From: cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net <cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net>Subject: Re: Beta blockers"Primary hyperaldosteronism" <hyperaldosteronism >Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 8:03 PM Yes I definitely do and lately the bp has been in the 150-160 systolic and 90-100 diastolic. I have been fighting bad headaches also.One question I have can a micro adrenal tumor be detected with AVS? At the time of my CT no adrenal tumor was seen. But from our previous posts a adrenal tumor less than 1 cm cannot be detected on CT. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac (DOT) com>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:37:15 -0600<hyperaldosteronism>Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Beta blockers The indications for spiro are drug resistant HTN or difficult HTN or low K or low renin and I think you have most of these as I recall. On Dec 28, 2009, at 3:15 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I guess my thought is get all testing done off meds for 2 wks then have to come back and wait 6 wks. Get a definitive diagnosis first but you have been doing this for a long time and who am I to question success!! I just have to convince someone to try me on spiro. I just don't have a lot of patience but I can tell by the messages I am going to have to gain a lot because this is not a quick diagnosis. DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac (DOT) com>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:36:49 -0600<hyperaldosteronism>Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Beta blockers In my experience many with severe HTN BPs are no worse off their BP meds than on. We always do at least 2 weeks. except for spiro then 6 weeks.My choice with you would be to try spiro first to ! see if i t helps. CE Grim MDOn Dec 28, 2009, at 2:37 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:How long do you have to be off all drugs to get an accurate test? The problem I see with that is we are all in need of our bp meds - being off of them even if they are not working well is still a detriment. How do we get around this issue? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: Clarence Grim <lowerbp2mac (DOT) com>Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:10:52 -0600<hyperaldosteronism>Subject: Re: [hyperaldosteronism ] Beta blockers Not studied well enough to know. Reason best to test of all drugs.CE Grim On Dec 28, 2009, at 1:28 PM, cowdocsbcglobal (DOT) net wrote:I was going thru files last night on the site looking at the endo criteria for PA. Dr. Grim do you have a percentage amount of how much beta-blockers reduce aldo and renin? DanaSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Hi Flower Im not sure if this search link will help you, but here it is. gastic varices + beta blockers http://search./search?ei=utf-8 & fr=slv8-tyc7 & p=gastic%20varices%20%2b%20beta%20blockers & type= Here also is the Library folder. Its not alot because I lack the time to do research. http://health.dir./group/ /links/011___HCV_and_Portal_Hypertension__001259264282/ love don in ks From: flowerchild700 <Sheabell7000@...>Subject: [ ] Beta Blockers Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 10:49 AM Does anyone know anything about beta blockers for gastic varices. My primary doctor said they may only be for the eshopegel varices. She's suppose to be checking on it for me, but its taking so long. I've have had one stomach bleed all ready. I don't know why the couldn't have put me on beta blockers before now, if it can help.I don't have another appointment with GI clinic at duke until June. My primary doctor seems to be worrying about everything else, like mammograms, that don't really seem as impotant right now. I've been trying to get on the transplant list at duke but so far no luck.------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Mike it could be your taking the arimidex is making a fast change in your E2 making your Thyroid levels go up. Try cutting down on the T3 when you take it. Beta Blockers can change the way your heart beats and you can end up on them for life this happened to me. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> > Subject: Beta Blockers > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 9:39 PM > Hey Group, > > My PCP was thinking about putting me on a beta blocker on > the days that I > take arimidex/aromasin because they cause me to experience > severe heart > palpitations. Do you guys think this would be > ok? I'm also on 80 mcg of > T3, 6 mg of medrol and testosterone. > > Thanks, > > -- > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I recently weened myself off my beta blocker due to health improvements with my HRT but luckily I still have some on hand. I also had some palpitations and heart rate increase when starting Arimidex. I took my beta blocker and it took care of the problem. This was only required for the first 2 doses while the Estrogen level was shifting. Now all is well. I also had random muscle twitches during the first couple of Arimidex doses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 Mike, adding a beta blocker is another drug to the mix. If it could be just a thyroid hormone thing, then lowering that sounds a lot more simple to manage, if you follow what I'm saying. Also, in the event this is thyroid related do note that beta blockers inhibit T4 to T3 conversion and this may be why they work at reducing thyroid metabolism. On T3 only this isn't going to happen, so perhaps the beta blocker would be less effective as well. Just a thought. -Nigel On 1 March 2011 11:08, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > > > Mike it could be your taking the arimidex is making a fast change in your > E2 making your Thyroid levels go up. Try cutting down on the T3 when you > take it. > > Beta Blockers can change the way your heart beats and you can end up on > them for life this happened to me. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> > > Subject: Beta Blockers > > > > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 9:39 PM > > > Hey Group, > > > > My PCP was thinking about putting me on a beta blocker on > > the days that I > > take arimidex/aromasin because they cause me to experience > > severe heart > > palpitations. Do you guys think this would be > > ok? I'm also on 80 mcg of > > T3, 6 mg of medrol and testosterone. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2011 Report Share Posted March 1, 2011 I was having this problem with AI's 6 months ago before I got on any thyroid. So im not sure if redicing T3 would help. I guess im just an anomaly. On Mar 1, 2011 4:44 PM, " Nigel " <nachonigel@...> wrote: Mike, adding a beta blocker is another drug to the mix. If it could be just a thyroid hormone thing, then lowering that sounds a lot more simple to manage, if you follow what I'm saying. Also, in the event this is thyroid related do note that beta blockers inhibit T4 to T3 conversion and this may be why they work at reducing thyroid metabolism. On T3 only this isn't going to happen, so perhaps the beta blocker would be less effective as well. Just a thought. -Nigel On 1 March 2011 11:08, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: > > > Mike it could be your t... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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