Re: Re: statin alternative

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Niacin has been shown to have anti-inflammatory effects as well as HDL-raising,

LDL and triglcyeride-lowering effects.  I'm also pre-diabetic and niacin has no

effect on my blood sugar.  I've taken niacin for over 7 years at a daily dose

of

4 to 5 grams/day.  I purchase my plain niacin from online sources.  Vitamin

Shoppe carries Carlson's Lab 500mg tablets at a very good price.

The only research I've seen for pantethine has shown mixed results.  It may

have

LDL-lowering capabilities, but has little or no effect on HDL or trigycerides.

Another avenue to consider is delta- and gamma-tocotrienols.  They've been

shown

to have LDL-lowering capabilities.  It's important to get the tocotrienols from

annatto, not palm oil.  Tocotrienols from annatto consists of tocotrienols

only.  Palm and rice bran sources of tocotrienols also contain

alpha-tocopherol,

which blocks any lipid lowering effect of the tocotrienols.  I get my

tocotrienols from Lucky Vitamin, specifically the Nutricology brand. 

Tocotrienols are also anti-inflammatory.

Ed T

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From: wayback44 <no_reply >

Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 11:30:45 AM

Subject: Re: statin alternative

 

, you might want to look at Pantethine, which is a modified form of

pantothenic acid, or vitamin B5. Pantethine appears to improve the lipid profile

much as niacin does, but without the flushing, blood sugar increases, or other

side effects of niacin. A few people do experience " increased bowel activity " in

the beginning, but that's about it. I think most people take the Jarrow brand,

300mg, three times a day.

But the problem with all these non-statin products is that they don't provide

what increasingly appears to be the primary benefit of statins - reduction in

inflamation. While statins were certainly designed primarily to lower

cholesterol, it's not clear that that actually does you much good. It's too bad

we don't have an inflammation reduction drug that just does that, without the

liver, muscle pain, brain fog, sexual dysfunction side effects of statins, or

the lowering of cholesterol. We could put everybody on it.

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> > I have mentioned it before but I do see several posts where guys are

>concerned about taking statins.I was too and sought an alternative.Turns out

>niacin was used effectivly for many years.Vitamin B3.Of course there is no

>profit in it so we have the profitable

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks I am doing better today after doing a lot of research about taking

statin drugs there is not one study out there that proves taking statin drugs

keeps you from having a heart attack or stoops blockage to it.

http://www.spacedoc.net/muscle_pain_statins.htm

Dr.'s keep people on them and don't take you off them until you can't walk. I

have joined a few groups and read about this over and over again.

Here I had heart bypass surgery and was told I need to walk and get exercise.

They put me on Statin drugs and from day one I had problems they kept changing

the dose or the brand. I kept telling them how am I going to be able to walk

everyday and get exercise with all this pain. They said I need to push my self

now I can't walk without a walker.

Dr. at this forum told me when I posted I was on them Statins not to take

them I should have listed to him.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: brianc <brianevans_99@...>

> Subject: Re: statin alternative

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> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 11:31 AM

> Wayback and Barb,

>

> Thanks for your very helpful suggestions, which I'll be

> looking into and discussing with my

> internist.   

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> On inflammation, it would be useful to have something that

> helped, too.  A couple of years ago, my erythrocyte

> sedimentation rate (ESR)--a general measure of inflammation,

> was a 87 of a possible 100, when normal is under 15. 

> The docs said they couldn't diagnose anything based on that

> (i.e., the cause), so I asked why give me the test?

> It later came down to 81, and since then, if the lab is

> correct, to 3 or so.  Something wierd is going

> on--though I know I'm under severe and chronic stress, have

> prostatitis, diabetes, hypothyroidism, and some other

> conditions....

>

> And Phil, I had caught on about your medical " crisis, " but

> certainly hope things are looking up, and that you've found

> some help,

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> > Adequate thyroid levels reduce inflammation and

> cholesterol, and your

> > risk for most of today's diseases:  heart

> disease, cancer, osteoporosis,

> > dementia, etc.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the heads up jbush1999 was she as bad off as I am I can't walk far

using a walker. But taking CoQ10 and some other supplements I am getting

better. It came on slow so I guess it will get better slow.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jbush1999 <jbush@...>

> Subject: Re: statin alternative

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> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 3:58 PM

> Phil, my wife was on statins

> (simvastatin) and had leg pain to the point where her PCP

> had her go to a neurologist for testing. He said she had

> neuropathy but had no suggestions for treatment other than

> the gabapentin she was already taking.

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> She knew that my blood work was perfect taking 1500 mg

> Slo-Niacin and 600 mg Red Yeast Rice QD. She stopped her

> statin and adopted my protocol instead and her leg pain went

> away.

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> At her next visit with her PCP she announced she had

> stopped the statin in preference for my protocol and her

> pain had gone away. She was shocked when he said, " Good.

> Many of my patients do quite well on that. " When we asked

> him why he hadn't suggested it, his answer revealed about

> about our medical system. He said, " If she had a cardiac

> event, I could be sued and even lose my license. Statins are

> considered the 'standard of care' and if I deviate from it,I

> can be liable. " He said, " Let's get some fresh blood work

> and make sure it is working. " It was.

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> > > > Adequate thyroid levels reduce inflammation

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> > > cholesterol, and your

> > > > risk for most of today's diseases:  heart

> > > disease, cancer, osteoporosis,

> > > > dementia, etc.

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