Re: needle size/TRT

[Guest guest]

Usually they give you a supply of larger needles. It doisn't matter what size

as long as they are say double the size you have. If you pull real hard and

wait, and wiat, the oil will trickle down. But you have to pull way down on the

syringe. I don't bother switching needles, I just use the smaller ones and take

my time.

Bill

From: atlfuzzy@...

Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 02:44:53 +0000

Subject: needle size/TRT

I have been on TRT gels before, and was to begin test cypionate injections

today. My doc's assistant phoned in the RX for me, as well as syringes. As

caregiver for two cancer patients, I've given many injections of other drugs

before, and am not completely ignorant (I hope), but I am not able to draw the

liquid into the syringe.

The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone and a pack of 3ml 25g. 1

1/2 inch needles. Those are the only needles provided. Nothing is pulling back

into the syringe. I would have assumed what was provided to me would have

worked, or been all that I needed. If this is something I am doing wrong, I will

feel like an idiot (yes the pull back top is off the vial, and the needle is

fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle upside down, pulling back a few times,

just a tiny drop will go in).

So am I right that 25g will work fine for the injection, but NOT to draw the

medicine? I thought I read that the liquid is thick and had to be pulled via a

bigger needle. If so, what size should I ask my doc for to draw the liquid? Will

I need another RX for other needle size, or can I just go to the pharmacy to get

it without prescription? If I need a RX, thats another several days to turn that

around, *sigh* Pharmacy closed at this hour, so will have to start next week.

Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

Thanks so much for your advice..

Clint

[Guest guest]

Before you insert the needle into the vial, pull out the equivalent amount of

your dose of air into the syringe. Insert needle into bottle, push air in, then

pull back out. The extra air pressure will help push the solution into your

syringe.

We were also given 3 ml syringes to start, which ended up WAY too big, since

DH's currently doing 28 mg. That is next to impossible to measure on a 3 ml

syringe, and looks like nothing.

If you switch over to 1 ml syringes, the best combo is BD #329622 which is 1 ml,

25g, 1 " CVS ordered it for me and had it the next day.

http://catalog.bd.com/bdCat/viewProduct.doCustomer?productNumber=329622

If you go with a smaller gauge, 26g+, you will have to accept a shorter needle.

There is no 1.5 " needle with a 1 ml syringe, but you can do this by buying the

different parts and switching detachable needles, etc.

You can warm up the vial by holding it for a few minutes; makes it a little less

viscous. But DH says that since switching from the 3ml to 1 ml syringe, he

doesn't even need to warm it up. You can certainly draw with a smaller gauge

needle if you have patience, it comes in drop by drop.

HTH,

Barb

>

> I have been on TRT gels before, and was to begin test cypionate injections

today. My doc's assistant phoned in the RX for me, as well as syringes. As

caregiver for two cancer patients, I've given many injections of other drugs

before, and am not completely ignorant (I hope), but I am not able to draw the

liquid into the syringe.

>

> The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone and a pack of 3ml 25g. 1

1/2 inch needles. Those are the only needles provided. Nothing is pulling back

into the syringe. I would have assumed what was provided to me would have

worked, or been all that I needed. If this is something I am doing wrong, I

will feel like an idiot (yes the pull back top is off the vial, and the needle

is fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle upside down, pulling back a few

times, just a tiny drop will go in).

>

> So am I right that 25g will work fine for the injection, but NOT to draw the

medicine? I thought I read that the liquid is thick and had to be pulled via a

bigger needle. If so, what size should I ask my doc for to draw the liquid?

Will I need another RX for other needle size, or can I just go to the pharmacy

to get it without prescription? If I need a RX, thats another several days to

turn that around, *sigh* Pharmacy closed at this hour, so will have to start

next week.

>

> Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

>

> Thanks so much for your advice..

>

> Clint

>

[Guest guest]

You can get the syringes and needles without a prescription - at least I can in

Indiana.

I buy 1ml syringes with 27gauge, 1/2 " needle.

I also buy 22 gauge needles.

If you want a needle longer than the 1/2 " 27 guage needle, buy a 25 gauge 1 "

needle.

Open the syringe and a 22 gauge needle.

Take the needle off the syringe and replace it with the 22 gauge.

Assuming you are injecting .25 ml:

Pull air into the syringe to about .35-.40 ml.

Wipe off the top of the vial with alcohol.

Insert the needle and push in the air.

Draw out more than you need and then push the contents of the syringe (air and

fluid) until you reach the .25 ml mark on the syringe and no air in the syringe.

Pull the syringe out.

Pull the plunger back to bring all the fluid back into the syringe (along with

some air).

Switch to the needle you want to inject with.

Push the plunger until you get all the air out, and shoot yourself.

Pull back to make sure don't see any blood and inject.

I know you said that you have given shots.. the reason for all the instruction

(I assume you already know most of this) is in case someone reads this who needs

help and has never injected.  When I started I had to find out by trial and

error and watching YouTube videos that some guys posted.

Bill

 

________________________________

From: Clint <atlfuzzy@...>

Sent: Sun, September 12, 2010 7:44:53 PM

Subject: needle size/TRT

 

I have been on TRT gels before, and was to begin test cypionate injections

today. My doc's assistant phoned in the RX for me, as well as syringes. As

caregiver for two cancer patients, I've given many injections of other drugs

before, and am not completely ignorant (I hope), but I am not able to draw the

liquid into the syringe.

The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone and a pack of 3ml 25g. 1

1/2 inch needles. Those are the only needles provided. Nothing is pulling back

into the syringe. I would have assumed what was provided to me would have

worked, or been all that I needed. If this is something I am doing wrong, I will

feel like an idiot (yes the pull back top is off the vial, and the needle is

fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle upside down, pulling back a few times,

just a tiny drop will go in).

So am I right that 25g will work fine for the injection, but NOT to draw the

medicine? I thought I read that the liquid is thick and had to be pulled via a

bigger needle. If so, what size should I ask my doc for to draw the liquid? Will

I need another RX for other needle size, or can I just go to the pharmacy to get

it without prescription? If I need a RX, thats another several days to turn that

around, *sigh* Pharmacy closed at this hour, so will have to start next week.

Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

Thanks so much for your advice..

Clint

[Guest guest]

Yesterday I drew mine with a 29 gage needle because that was the biggest I

had left in the house so it can be done but very slow and lots of bubbles to

tap out. I have been trying to find the 27 gage but none of my local

drugstores have them. I got a box of 30 gage for the hCG.

Brett

RE: needle size/TRT

>

> Usually they give you a supply of larger needles. It doisn't matter what

> size as long as they are say double the size you have. If you pull real

> hard and wait, and wiat, the oil will trickle down. But you have to pull

> way down on the syringe. I don't bother switching needles, I just use the

> smaller ones and take my time.

>

> Bill

[Guest guest]

Clint,

I didn't like using the 25 gage needles there OK if my wife is here I

have her give it to me in the behind but trying to do myself into the leg.

Ouch! Smaller may take longer to load but a lot less " Ouch. "

When I do mine I find it comes out easier if you over pressure the

bottle. That is to inject more air than the liquid you plan to take out.

If you get too much air in the bottle it will just burp when you put the

need in or out. No harm in that. And yes you do need to do it up side down

and I pull the plunger way back as far as you can, more that you want, so it

creates a little vacuum in the needle. After you have enough just tap it or

thump it to get the bubbles to the top and then push them back into the

bottle. Of course make sure the end of the needle in in the liquid. If it

is a long one you may have to hold it back some especially when the bottle

starts getting low. Brett

needle size/TRT

>I have been on TRT gels before, and was to begin test cypionate injections

>today. My doc's assistant phoned in the RX for me, as well as syringes.

>As caregiver for two cancer patients, I've given many injections of other

>drugs before, and am not completely ignorant (I hope), but I am not able to

>draw the liquid into the syringe.

>

> The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone and a pack of 3ml

> 25g. 1 1/2 inch needles. Those are the only needles provided. Nothing is

> pulling back into the syringe. I would have assumed what was provided to

> me would have worked, or been all that I needed. If this is something I

> am doing wrong, I will feel like an idiot (yes the pull back top is off

> the vial, and the needle is fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle

> upside down, pulling back a few times, just a tiny drop will go in).

>

> So am I right that 25g will work fine for the injection, but NOT to draw

> the medicine? I thought I read that the liquid is thick and had to be

> pulled via a bigger needle. If so, what size should I ask my doc for to

> draw the liquid? Will I need another RX for other needle size, or can I

> just go to the pharmacy to get it without prescription? If I need a RX,

> thats another several days to turn that around, *sigh* Pharmacy closed

> at this hour, so will have to start next week.

>

> Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

>

> Thanks so much for your advice..

>

> Clint

[Guest guest]

Hi Clint,

I did a google search and found this about GA:

" Here in Georgia a prescription is not technically required to purchase

syringes, but the wording of the law is so vague that it can be twisted either

way. Ultimately, you don't need a prescription to buy syringes, but a pharmacist

can refuse to sell them to you if they feel like it.

Read more: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/153113#ixzz0zQZY2RMb "

Personally, I use luer lock syringes (syringes that the needles screw on/off

of), with an 18 gauge 1 " needle. Then I heat it up under hot tap water for 20

seconds (this raises the temperaure to about 96 degrees and makes the liquid

thinner. Pfizer has said as long as it is below 106 degrees it will not hurt the

medication.) Then I switch to a 25 gauge 1 " needle and inject into my quad. It

does not hurt at all.

>

> I have been on TRT gels before, and was to begin test cypionate injections

today. My doc's assistant phoned in the RX for me, as well as syringes. As

caregiver for two cancer patients, I've given many injections of other drugs

before, and am not completely ignorant (I hope), but I am not able to draw the

liquid into the syringe.

>

> The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone and a pack of 3ml 25g. 1

1/2 inch needles. Those are the only needles provided. Nothing is pulling back

into the syringe. I would have assumed what was provided to me would have

worked, or been all that I needed. If this is something I am doing wrong, I

will feel like an idiot (yes the pull back top is off the vial, and the needle

is fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle upside down, pulling back a few

times, just a tiny drop will go in).

>

> So am I right that 25g will work fine for the injection, but NOT to draw the

medicine? I thought I read that the liquid is thick and had to be pulled via a

bigger needle. If so, what size should I ask my doc for to draw the liquid?

Will I need another RX for other needle size, or can I just go to the pharmacy

to get it without prescription? If I need a RX, thats another several days to

turn that around, *sigh* Pharmacy closed at this hour, so will have to start

next week.

>

> Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

>

> Thanks so much for your advice..

>

> Clint

>

[Guest guest]

Clint,

That is a long needle I use a 27g 1ml. x 1/2 " lg. needle. I pull in air for the

amount of my shot then push this air into the vial then I pull the plunger all

the way down and just hold it until I get my dose takes a min. or two the oil is

very thick and comes out slow and goes into your body slow. I shoot into my

thigh.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Clint <atlfuzzy@...>

> Subject: needle size/TRT

>

> Date: Sunday, September 12, 2010, 10:44 PM

> I have been on TRT gels before, and

> was to begin test cypionate injections today.  My doc's

> assistant phoned in the RX for me, as well as

> syringes.  As caregiver for two cancer patients, I've

> given many injections of other drugs before, and am not

> completely ignorant (I hope), but I am not able to draw the

> liquid into the syringe.

>

> The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone and a

> pack of 3ml 25g. 1 1/2 inch needles. Those are the only

> needles provided.  Nothing is pulling back into the

> syringe.  I would have assumed what was provided to me

> would have worked, or been all that I needed.  If this

> is something I am doing wrong, I will feel like an idiot

> (yes the pull back top is off the vial, and the needle is

> fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle upside down,

> pulling back a few times, just a tiny drop will go in).

>

> So am I right that 25g will work fine for the injection,

> but NOT to draw the medicine? I thought I read that the

> liquid is thick and had to be pulled via a bigger needle. If

> so, what size should I ask my doc  for to draw the

> liquid? Will I need another RX for other needle size, or can

> I just go to the pharmacy to get it without prescription? If

> I need a RX, thats another several days to turn that around,

> *sigh*   Pharmacy closed at this hour, so

> will have to start next week.

>

> Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

>

> Thanks so much for your advice..

>

> Clint

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Clint,

I used to use 3ml 26g needle/syringes all these days and its takes a couple of

minutes to pull the med in and somehow it used to be kind of hurts & painful.

Today for the first time I used a 27 g needle that I took off from an insulin

syringe and it did not hurt at all.

But, I noticed that a small drop of the med came out after the shot. I wanted to

ask Phil the same question if I am loosing the med. The length of needle is only

1/2inch.

So, Phil: what do you say about loosing the med ? I think its only a small drop

or two it doesnt matter but what do you think ?

Note: Clint, you may be able to get needles from a local independant pharmacy

with out a prescription. Giving a try is bettter.

Thanks

Joe

> >

> > I have been on TRT gels before, and was to begin test cypionate injections

today. My doc's assistant phoned in the RX for me, as well as syringes. As

caregiver for two cancer patients, I've given many injections of other drugs

before, and am not completely ignorant (I hope), but I am not able to draw the

liquid into the syringe.

> >

> > The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone and a pack of 3ml 25g.

1 1/2 inch needles. Those are the only needles provided. Nothing is pulling

back into the syringe. I would have assumed what was provided to me would have

worked, or been all that I needed. If this is something I am doing wrong, I

will feel like an idiot (yes the pull back top is off the vial, and the needle

is fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle upside down, pulling back a few

times, just a tiny drop will go in).

> >

> > So am I right that 25g will work fine for the injection, but NOT to draw the

medicine? I thought I read that the liquid is thick and had to be pulled via a

bigger needle. If so, what size should I ask my doc for to draw the liquid?

Will I need another RX for other needle size, or can I just go to the pharmacy

to get it without prescription? If I need a RX, thats another several days to

turn that around, *sigh* Pharmacy closed at this hour, so will have to start

next week.

> >

> > Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

> >

> > Thanks so much for your advice..

> >

> > Clint

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Clint I use 25 gauge 1 1/2 " needles to inject.I am very lean and usually inject

in my thigh.Like to give it deep in the muscles.Tried shorter needles but it

seemed to seep into the subq tissue and I ate it up faster.I do use a 22 guage

needle to pull up the medicine.It will take quite a while pulling it up with the

smaller diameter needle.

>

> I have been on TRT gels before, and was to begin test cypionate injections

today. My doc's assistant phoned in the RX for me, as well as syringes. As

caregiver for two cancer patients, I've given many injections of other drugs

before, and am not completely ignorant (I hope), but I am not able to draw the

liquid into the syringe.

>

> The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone and a pack of 3ml 25g. 1

1/2 inch needles. Those are the only needles provided. Nothing is pulling back

into the syringe. I would have assumed what was provided to me would have

worked, or been all that I needed. If this is something I am doing wrong, I

will feel like an idiot (yes the pull back top is off the vial, and the needle

is fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle upside down, pulling back a few

times, just a tiny drop will go in).

>

> So am I right that 25g will work fine for the injection, but NOT to draw the

medicine? I thought I read that the liquid is thick and had to be pulled via a

bigger needle. If so, what size should I ask my doc for to draw the liquid?

Will I need another RX for other needle size, or can I just go to the pharmacy

to get it without prescription? If I need a RX, thats another several days to

turn that around, *sigh* Pharmacy closed at this hour, so will have to start

next week.

>

> Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

>

> Thanks so much for your advice..

>

> Clint

>

[Guest guest]

Don <dbeaton1234@...> wrote:

> For T, I use a 27g x 1 1/4 "

Is this not a BD product? What brand?

[Guest guest]

http://www.researchsupply.net/syringesNeedles.html

3 ml luer lock syringe with 1 1/4 " 27g hypodermic needle

also ordered a 1mcc syringes

http://www.eastcoastmedicalsupply.com/syringeonlymultiplesizes.aspx

Size: 1cc Luer Lock Syringe Only *Box of 100

Don

>

> > For T, I use a 27g x 1 1/4 "

>

> Is this not a BD product? What brand?

>

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[Guest guest]

My doctor's office taught my wife how to give my shots and since then my wife is

giving the shots. My nurse jokes that when ever my wife is mad at me she can

give my shots hard and hurting.

But I am glad I dont have to pay $10.00 per shot at doctor's office

Joe

> > >

> > > I have been on TRT gels before, and was to begin test

> > cypionate injections

> > >today. My doc's assistant phoned in the RX for me, as

> > well as syringes. As

> > >caregiver for two cancer patients, I've given many

> > injections of other drugs

> > >before, and am not completely ignorant (I hope), but I

> > am not able to draw the

> > >liquid into the syringe.

> > >

> > >

> > > The prescription I recieved was for the Testosterone

> > and a pack of 3ml 25g. 1

> > >1/2 inch needles. Those are the only needles provided.

> > Nothing is pulling back

> > >into the syringe. I would have assumed what was

> > provided to me would have

> > >worked, or been all that I needed. If this is something

> > I am doing wrong, I will

> > >feel like an idiot (yes the pull back top is off the

> > vial, and the needle is

> > >fully in the liquid, tried holding bottle upside down,

> > pulling back a few times,

> > >just a tiny drop will go in).

> > >

> > > So am I right that 25g will work fine for the

> > injection, but NOT to draw the

> > >medicine? I thought I read that the liquid is thick and

> > had to be pulled via a

> > >bigger needle. If so, what size should I ask my doc for

> > to draw the liquid? Will

> > >I need another RX for other needle size, or can I just

> > go to the pharmacy to get

> > >it without prescription? If I need a RX, thats another

> > several days to turn that

> > >around, *sigh* Pharmacy closed at this hour, so will

> > have to start next week.

> > >

> > > Ready to feel better, in Atlanta, GA

> > >

> > > Thanks so much for your advice..

> > >

> > > Clint

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >