Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

[Guest guest]

GP told

Me to stop iron an testo gel today because I have a hemoglobin of 18 (range:

13.4 - 17.0), hematocrit of 57 (range: 40 - 50) and Red Blood Cells of 6.24

(range: 4.2 - 5.7)

What Else can I do?

Wife is also a mean witch and screams at me nonstop!!

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 15.53 skrev " cvictorg " <cvgrashow@...>:

Why are you stopping??

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in the coming days because I am stopping testo today?

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He said I would Keep taking T gel on my own responsibility. It scared me hearing

that. GP SAS I am in directly danger og having a stroke at age 31. better safe

than sorry. I have not taken any T gel today.

I am reducing sea salt intake.

Stoppes iron today.

Will stop K2 tomorrow.

Just to be aure we Get blood down!

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 16.47 skrev " cvictorg " <cvgrashow@...>:

Why not just reduce the dosage?

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This will be hard on you but you will get through it I did this 7 times stopping

TRT not fun but will not kill you.

I mean did you need TRT in the first place.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

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> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:02 AM

> He said I would Keep taking T gel on

> my own responsibility. It scared me hearing that. GP SAS I

> am in directly danger og having a stroke at age 31. better

> safe than sorry. I have not taken any T gel today.

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> I am reducing sea salt intake.

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> Stoppes iron today.

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> Will stop K2 tomorrow.

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> Just to be aure we Get blood down!

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> Sendt fra min iPhone

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[Guest guest]

I will send you my T-values again web I find them. I know T improves when

Thyroid improves! So maybe I dont need TRT!

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 18.22 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

This will be hard on you but you will get through it I did this 7 times stopping

TRT not fun but will not kill you.

I mean did you need TRT in the first place.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

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> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:02 AM

> He said I would Keep taking T gel on

> my own responsibility. It scared me hearing that. GP SAS I

> am in directly danger og having a stroke at age 31. better

> safe than sorry. I have not taken any T gel today.

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> I am reducing sea salt intake.

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> Stoppes iron today.

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> Will stop K2 tomorrow.

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> Just to be aure we Get blood down!

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> Sendt fra min iPhone

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[Guest guest]

Look at this Phil:

http://nightrangerweb.net/health/RomanPaisLaboratory11thofFebruary2010_1.p\

df.JPG

Somehow, the Belgian laborator which Hertoghe uses has a higher upper range on

both Hemoglobine and Hematocrite. WEIRD, or what? According to THOSE ranges, I

don't have very thick blood or a lot of it. Take a look at the top of that scan!

That sample is from February 2010, and was the first blood sample I did before

seeing Dr. Hertoghe the first time. I am talking about my Hematocrite TODAY and

my Hemoglobin TODAY, compared to the ranges on that test!

Testosterone: Let's look at the Bottom Half of this scan ok?

http://nightrangerweb.net/health/RomanPaisLaboratory11thofFebruary2010_2.p\

df.JPG

It's written in English so it's easy to understand. My FREE Testosterone was at

153 pg/mL before starting TRT. The range is: 50 - 280 pg/mL. Hertoghe said that

for a man my age, 31, I should be somewhere towards the upper range, 280. Well,

on the next blood test he did with me in June 2010, while ON TRT, my FREE

Testosterone was at 615 pg/mL and like twice the upper range level! Hertoghe was

happy with it but also said that my real level was probably a bit lower cause I

didn't follow his directions of swithing from applying the gel in the morning,

to doing it in the evening 3 nights before the blood test (this is his system!)

- I only applied the gel in the evening 2 nights before the blood draw.

Looking at this first test again, on the bottom half of the scan, my TOTAL

testosterone, which is Testosterone + SHBG, right? (Please confirm this is how

they calculate the TOTAL!) - I was at 95.6% which is great! I have always (!)

had a high TOTAL. Always. Some docs say the TOTAL is what matters. But Hertoghe

says S-Testosterone (what is that btw?) and FREE Testosterone is what matters,

not the TOTAL.

My S-Testosterone, whatever that is, was at 3467 pg/mL in February. In June,

while on TRT, it had gone up to 9851 pg/mL. The range is 3000 - 10.000 pg/mL.

Btw my E2 was 12 pg/mL in February, on the second test in June it had gone up to

25 pg/mL. The range is <30 pg/mL.

So, what do you think, buddy? Did I need TRT?

> From: <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> " " < >

> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:02 AM

> He said I would Keep taking T gel on

> my own responsibility. It scared me hearing that. GP SAS I

> am in directly danger og having a stroke at age 31. better

> safe than sorry. I have not taken any T gel today.

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> I am reducing sea salt intake.

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> Stoppes iron today.

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> Will stop K2 tomorrow.

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> Just to be aure we Get blood down!

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> Sendt fra min iPhone

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If I remember right your Total T was not all that low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > He said I would Keep taking T gel on

> > my own responsibility. It scared me hearing that. GP

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[Guest guest]

, I didn't know you were having complications from T, Just did not

want to come across as a smart ass because that was not my intention.

Steve

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

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> > > He said I would Keep taking T gel on

> > > my own responsibility. It scared me hearing that. GP

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> > > safe than sorry. I have not taken any T gel today.

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[Guest guest]

Your labs are diff. then ours or you got this wrong. Free T is mesured in %

not Total your Testosterone liee of 95.6% is I belive to be your %of Free T. I

belive S-Testosterone is your Total.

Your free T is called Testosteon Free at 153.

What I would like to know is how big it your gel in T a day as to what a shot

every week would be. Here men use Androgel 10 grams is = to a 100 mgs shot of

Test C / week.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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[Guest guest]

I am confused about the values myself.

Just look at the scans.

All I know is this is Liposomal 10% testo gel, 100 mg testo in each pump dose of

1 g gel.

Pressure in head now ;(

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 19.54 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

Your labs are diff. then ours or you got this wrong. Free T is mesured in % not

Total your Testosterone liee of 95.6% is I belive to be your %of Free T. I

belive S-Testosterone is your Total.

Your free T is called Testosteon Free at 153.

What I would like to know is how big it your gel in T a day as to what a shot

every week would be. Here men use Androgel 10 grams is = to a 100 mgs shot of

Test C / week.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:02 AM

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[Guest guest]

Is this called Testogel

http://www.testogel-info.com/html/index.html

If it is it's made by the same people that make Andorgel here is the USA.

I was on a compounded cream 10% my dose was 150 mgs/day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > > Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg

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> > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:02 AM

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> > > He said I would Keep taking T gel on

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> > > my own responsibility. It scared me hearing that.

> GP

> > SAS I

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It's ok! :-)

Hey I found this link regarding what's normal for Hematocrit and Hemoglobin...

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/hematocrit-and-hemoglobin.html

So up to 18 is normal for Hemoglobin? Then I am NOT that high? I don't get

it!!!! Why so many different ranges?

Did I stop Testosterone without REASON today or what???????

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> > > From: <gibcast@... <gibcast%40>>

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo

> > cold turkey

> > > " < %40> "

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> > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:02 AM

> > > He said I would Keep taking T gel on

> > > my own responsibility. It scared me hearing that. GP

> > SAS I

> > > am in directly danger og having a stroke at age 31.

> > better

> > > safe than sorry. I have not taken any T gel today.

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> > > Just to be aure we Get blood down!

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[Guest guest]

To all concerned:

     I speak from experience on this one because I had the same problem. 

First,

you need a new Doctor.  If your readings are that high, the only quick

effective

way to get it down is to give a blood donation.  It is not worth a stroke. On

my

doctors orders, I stopped the testosterone and gave blood every two weeks for

about 8 weeks to get my blood levels down.  My doctor wanted to get me back on

testosterone, but said I would have to continue to give blood frequently in

order to take testosterone.  Due to the frequency, he has to give you a

prescription to give blood as usually you can't give blood every 2

weeks without

a good reason.  High hemoglobin and a high hematocrit are good reasons.   I

believe they call the practice phlebotomy.  In some people, testosterone causes

secondary polycythemia, which can be serious if left untreated.   My Doctor

referred me to an endocrinologist as I don't want to give blood every two weeks

just to stay on testosterone. 

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                                     Good

luck,   Bob V.

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From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 17:52:06

Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

 

It's ok! :-)

Hey I found this link regarding what's normal for Hematocrit and Hemoglobin...

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/hematocrit-and-hemoglobin.html

So up to 18 is normal for Hemoglobin? Then I am NOT that high? I don't get

it!!!! Why so many different ranges?

Did I stop Testosterone without REASON today or what???????

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> > > Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo

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> > > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 11:02 AM

> > > He said I would Keep taking T gel on

> > > my own responsibility. It scared me hearing that. GP

> > SAS I

> > > am in directly danger og having a stroke at age 31.

> > better

> > > safe than sorry. I have not taken any T gel today.

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> > > Stoppes iron today.

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> > > Will stop K2 tomorrow.

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> > > Just to be aure we Get blood down!

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> > > Sendt fra min iPhone

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You need to go by the ranges on your labs every lab has a diff. range this is

why one needs to use the same lab for blood testing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > > > He said I would Keep taking T gel on

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> that. GP

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> age 31.

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> today.

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I don't think there are any symptoms for this all you can do it test it. I

would not lower you Test meds without taking to your Dr. first.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

>

> Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 10:02 PM

> Hello All,

>

> What are the symptoms of High Hematocrit and Hemoglobin

> Levels ? I too am on Testo Cypionate and I was doing 160 mg

> every 10days and I started having pain in the chest, left

> arm and also in the back left side (around left shoulder

> blade). I went to a cardiologist and threadmill stress test

> and also echo cardiogram looked good. My bloodtests revealed

> that my vit D is low and also my Homocystine levels are

> borderline high so my doc put me on vit d and also

> B6,B12,Folic acid supplementation.

> I am also Hypothyroid and am on Synthroid 88mcg.

> He did not check for Hemoglobin etc

> What do you think about my condition ? I lowered my Test

> Cyp to 60mg every week.

> After reading this thread ........I am also concerned. My

> doc will be back only on Monday.

>

> Please advise.

>

> Thank you

> Joe

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What reactiona should I

> expect and when? Do

> > > > I

> > > > > need to be put into a hospital in the

> coming days

> > > > because I

> > > > > am stopping testo today?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That, plus stopping sea salt

> and iron. Thats

> > > > 3

> > > > > things. Cant my body react

> adverselively?

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[Guest guest]

First off.... GET RID OF WIFE. Then find another doctor and drop salt.

You can donate blood and help keep your blood numbers in check.

On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:22 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> I don't think there are any symptoms for this all you can do it test it. I

> would not lower you Test meds without taking to your Dr. first.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: inc_100 <no_reply <no_reply%40>>

> > Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

> > < %40>

> > Date: Saturday, August 14, 2010, 10:02 PM

>

> > Hello All,

> >

> > What are the symptoms of High Hematocrit and Hemoglobin

> > Levels ? I too am on Testo Cypionate and I was doing 160 mg

> > every 10days and I started having pain in the chest, left

> > arm and also in the back left side (around left shoulder

> > blade). I went to a cardiologist and threadmill stress test

> > and also echo cardiogram looked good. My bloodtests revealed

> > that my vit D is low and also my Homocystine levels are

> > borderline high so my doc put me on vit d and also

> > B6,B12,Folic acid supplementation.

> > I am also Hypothyroid and am on Synthroid 88mcg.

> > He did not check for Hemoglobin etc

> > What do you think about my condition ? I lowered my Test

> > Cyp to 60mg every week.

> > After reading this thread ........I am also concerned. My

> > doc will be back only on Monday.

> >

> > Please advise.

> >

> > Thank you

> > Joe

> >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What reactiona should I

> > expect and when? Do

> > > > > I

> > > > > > need to be put into a hospital in the

> > coming days

> > > > > because I

> > > > > > am stopping testo today?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > That, plus stopping sea salt

> > and iron. Thats

> > > > > 3

> > > > > > things. Cant my body react

> > adverselively?

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[Guest guest]

Joe your on a blood thinner had still have thicker blood I don't know but this

might not be a problem with being on Test C shots. You need to ask your Dr.

stopping TRT is not fun but if your Dr. wants to do this at leaset if you feel

real bad he knows about what your doing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

>

> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 1:56 PM

>

> Hello Phil, Barb and all others,

>

> I need your suggestion please. I called Red Cross and

> wanted to schedule an appointment to donate blood and they

> asked me if I am taking any blood thinners and I told I am

> taking " NattoKainese " (blood thinner) and they said I cant

> donate blood.

>

> I stopped my regular dose of 160mg evey ten days of Test

> Cyp about a month ago and started on 60mg of Test Cyp every

> week. (kind of lowered my dose). I also scheduled an

> appointment with my doctor again this week.

>

> Can I stop taking Testo Cyp for a while and see if my blood

> thickness will eventually go down to normal ?

> But I feel kind of dizzy and wondering if I have any issues

> with any thick blood.

>

> What do you think are my options.

>

> Thanks

> JOe

>

>

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What

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> > > > > > > > I

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> a hospital in the

> > > > > coming days

> > > > > > > > because I

> > > > > > > > > am stopping testo

> today?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That,

> plus stopping sea salt

> > > > > and iron. Thats

> > > > > > > > 3

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> > > > > adverselively?

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Good Idea even I am having a hard time keeping up so many are posting about this

problem.

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Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

>

> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 2:33 PM

> Wait, what?  Do you even know if

> you have thick blood?  I know you were dealing with

> high estradiol and the shoulder pain, but you never

> mentioned the thick blood. Do you have a recent CBC that

> shows elevated red blood cells, hemoglobin, or

> hematocrit?  That is the definition of thick blood.

>

> Dizziness can be a hypo sign, or low BP.  If you stop

> your TC and you need it, you will crash with major

> fatigue.  You've already lowered your dose as it is; I

> would want more labs before deciding to change anything.

>

> Since you're already got a doc apt scheduled, run a CBC,

> check your testosterone levels 3 days after your shot, get

> thyroid levels checked (free T3, free T4, reverse T3, TSH),

> full iron panel with ferritin, and run a morning

> cortisol.  If I remember correctly, you've already done

> some of these, so no need to repeat unless you've changed

> something.  You HAVE changed your testosterone dose, so

> do need to check that and the CBC.

>

> I'm going to start another post about thick blood because I

> think and his docs have everyone totally confused

> now.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What

> reactiona should I

> > > > > > expect and when? Do

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > need to be put

> into a hospital in the

> > > > > > coming days

> > > > > > > > > because I

> > > > > > > > > > am stopping

> testo today?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> That, plus stopping sea salt

> > > > > > and iron. Thats

> > > > > > > > > 3

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Hi Joe,

I sometimes get dizzy when my estradiols are too high. High estradiols

cause fluid retention and my doctors can see fluid in my ears when this

happens. When I increased my dosage of Arimidex, the dizziness went away.

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of inc_100

Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

Hello Phil, Barb and all others,

I need your suggestion please. I called Red Cross and wanted to schedule an

appointment to donate blood and they asked me if I am taking any blood

thinners and I told I am taking " NattoKainese " (blood thinner) and they said

I cant donate blood.

I stopped my regular dose of 160mg evey ten days of Test Cyp about a month

ago and started on 60mg of Test Cyp every week. (kind of lowered my dose). I

also scheduled an appointment with my doctor again this week.

Can I stop taking Testo Cyp for a while and see if my blood thickness will

eventually go down to normal ?

But I feel kind of dizzy and wondering if I have any issues with any thick

blood.

What do you think are my options.

Thanks

JOe

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What reactiona should I

> > > > expect and when? Do

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > need to be put into a hospital in the

> > > > coming days

> > > > > > > because I

> > > > > > > > am stopping testo today?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That, plus stopping sea salt

> > > > and iron. Thats

> > > > > > > 3

> > > > > > > > things. Cant my body react

> > > > adverselively?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sendt fra min iPhone

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[Guest guest]

Yes same thing with me my joints even hold water and I can bend my little

finger. I even get water in my ears but I never figured being dizzy when I get

up was this. And I feel your right they have cut my BP meds and I still get a

little dizzy when I stand and my Estradiol levels have been on the high side

lately.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <hostmaster@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

>

> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 4:12 PM

> Hi Joe,

>

>

>

> I sometimes get dizzy when my estradiols are too

> high.  High estradiols

> cause fluid retention and my doctors can see fluid in my

> ears when this

> happens.  When I increased my dosage of Arimidex, the

> dizziness went away.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of inc_100

> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:57 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold

> turkey

>

>

>

>  

>

>

> Hello Phil, Barb and all others,

>

> I need your suggestion please. I called Red Cross and

> wanted to schedule an

> appointment to donate blood and they asked me if I am

> taking any blood

> thinners and I told I am taking " NattoKainese " (blood

> thinner) and they said

> I cant donate blood.

>

> I stopped my regular dose of 160mg evey ten days of Test

> Cyp about a month

> ago and started on 60mg of Test Cyp every week. (kind of

> lowered my dose). I

> also scheduled an appointment with my doctor again this

> week.

>

> Can I stop taking Testo Cyp for a while and see if my blood

> thickness will

> eventually go down to normal ?

> But I feel kind of dizzy and wondering if I have any issues

> with any thick

> blood.

>

> What do you think are my options.

>

> Thanks

> JOe

>

>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What

> reactiona should I

> > > > > expect and when? Do

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > need to be put into

> a hospital in the

> > > > > coming days

> > > > > > > > because I

> > > > > > > > > am stopping testo

> today?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > That,

> plus stopping sea salt

> > > > > and iron. Thats

> > > > > > > > 3

> > > > > > > > > things. Cant my

> body react

> > > > > adverselively?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sendt fra

> min iPhone

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My Vitamin D was also in the gutter. My symptoms were flushing in the face

(red), swollen and painful lower legs and feet. You can look up the typical

symptom on the internet. Just Google it. I am also taking a thyroid pill. All

of this is connected with each other.

Yours, BV

________________________________

From: inc_100 <no_reply >

Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 22:02:59

Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

Hello All,

What are the symptoms of High Hematocrit and Hemoglobin Levels ? I too am on

Testo Cypionate and I was doing 160 mg every 10days and I started having pain in

the chest, left arm and also in the back left side (around left shoulder blade).

I went to a cardiologist and threadmill stress test and also echo cardiogram

looked good. My bloodtests revealed that my vit D is low and also my Homocystine

levels are borderline high so my doc put me on vit d and also B6,B12,Folic acid

supplementation.

I am also Hypothyroid and am on Synthroid 88mcg.

He did not check for Hemoglobin etc

What do you think about my condition ? I lowered my Test Cyp to 60mg every week.

After reading this thread ........I am also concerned. My doc will be back only

on Monday.

Please advise.

Thank you

Joe

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What reactiona should I expect and when? Do

> > > I

> > > > need to be put into a hospital in the coming days

> > > because I

> > > > am stopping testo today?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That, plus stopping sea salt and iron. Thats

> > > 3

> > > > things. Cant my body react adverselively?

> > > > > >

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From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 14:59:22

Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

Good Idea even I am having a hard time keeping up so many are posting about this

problem.

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Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

>

> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 2:33 PM

> Wait, what? Do you even know if

> you have thick blood? I know you were dealing with

> high estradiol and the shoulder pain, but you never

> mentioned the thick blood. Do you have a recent CBC that

> shows elevated red blood cells, hemoglobin, or

> hematocrit? That is the definition of thick blood.

>

> Dizziness can be a hypo sign, or low BP. If you stop

> your TC and you need it, you will crash with major

> fatigue. You've already lowered your dose as it is; I

> would want more labs before deciding to change anything.

>

> Since you're already got a doc apt scheduled, run a CBC,

> check your testosterone levels 3 days after your shot, get

> thyroid levels checked (free T3, free T4, reverse T3, TSH),

> full iron panel with ferritin, and run a morning

> cortisol. If I remember correctly, you've already done

> some of these, so no need to repeat unless you've changed

> something. You HAVE changed your testosterone dose, so

> do need to check that and the CBC.

>

> I'm going to start another post about thick blood because I

> think and his docs have everyone totally confused

> now.

>

> Barb

>

>

>

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One improvement after stopping TRT: I noticed today that my vision is not

" lagging " anymore. When I turned my head, while on TRT, I had a " lower frame

rate " (tech-junkies will understand what I mean) than normal. Now, everything is

smooth and I can move my head and vision quickly from side to side without

having my eyes catch every item on the way, hanging briefly before letting go.

I don't get it. Is TRT that bad? I feel better when I don't take the

testosterone gel! Better libido! Better everything!

[Guest guest]

For me this is high levels of Estradio test it if high try taking Indolplex/DIM

to get it down.

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

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Phil

> From: Vetcher <robert_vetcher@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

>

> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 9:26 PM

> My Vitamin D was also in the

> gutter.  My symptoms were flushing in the face

> (red), swollen and painful lower legs and feet.  You

> can look up the typical

> symptom on the internet.  Just Google it. I am also

> taking a thyroid pill.  All

> of this is connected with each other.

>

>

>                

>                

> Yours, BV

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

>

> Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 22:02:59

> Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold

> turkey

>

>  

> Hello All,

>

> What are the symptoms of High Hematocrit and Hemoglobin

> Levels ? I too am on

> Testo Cypionate and I was doing 160 mg every 10days and I

> started having pain in

> the chest, left arm and also in the back left side (around

> left shoulder blade).

> I went to a cardiologist and threadmill stress test and

> also echo cardiogram

> looked good. My bloodtests revealed that my vit D is low

> and also my Homocystine

> levels are borderline high so my doc put me on vit d and

> also B6,B12,Folic acid

> supplementation.

>

> I am also Hypothyroid and am on Synthroid 88mcg.

> He did not check for Hemoglobin etc

> What do you think about my condition ? I lowered my Test

> Cyp to 60mg every week.

>

> After reading this thread ........I am also concerned. My

> doc will be back only

> on Monday.

>

>

> Please advise.

>

> Thank you

> Joe

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What reactiona should I

> expect and when? Do

> > > > I

> > > > > need to be put into a hospital in the

> coming days

> > > > because I

> > > > > am stopping testo today?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That, plus stopping sea salt

> and iron. Thats

> > > > 3

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> adverselively?

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Great Joe I hope you get to the bottom of all this.

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Phil

> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

>

> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 10:42 PM

> Phil, Barb, BV and all of you,

>

> Thank you for all your responses. I really appreciate

> them.

>

> I went to my GP this evening and he said, first and

> foremost ...we'll do a CBC, Iron panel with Ferritin etc. So

> I left a bloodsample and will wait till tomorrow or day

> after for the results. After that, he said he will give his

> opinion and from there we can proceed.

>

> So, for now .........I am just hanging in here. Will

> continue my Thyroid and Vit D, B Complex and other meds and

> vitamins. Will keep you posted with all updates.

>

> Thank you all once again.

>

> Joe

>

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

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> > > > > > > > > > I

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> be put into

> > > a hospital in the

> > > > > > > coming days

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Try staying off it see if this keeps up it's possable you your not doing good on

this gel. Here is a link you need to read it's about women trying to become men

but full of dam good info about going on TRT and the diff. kinds of it.

http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html#cypionate

But what might be going on here is your Estradiol levels are coming down.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 9:54 AM

> One improvement after stopping TRT: I

> noticed today that my vision is not " lagging " anymore. When

> I turned my head, while on TRT, I had a " lower frame rate "

> (tech-junkies will understand what I mean) than normal. Now,

> everything is smooth and I can move my head and vision

> quickly from side to side without having my eyes catch every

> item on the way, hanging briefly before letting go.

> I don't get it. Is TRT that bad? I feel better when I don't

> take the testosterone gel! Better libido! Better

> everything!

>

>

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