Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 If you are using your own production, HCG , or clomid then you are vulvnerable to having the building blocks for hormones to be redirected to cortisol levels to deal with the root cause of why your T levels are low. The solution is to identify why your T levels are low then have the to rebalance other hormone, thyroid, lifestyle, proper eating and sleep to help the body to heal. This in an of it self can be an artform which has taken me many years to fully understand. > > Hi all > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual activity? is that possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > thanks > > chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 so is that a yes or no? i have metabolic syndrome thanks > > > > Hi all > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual activity? is that possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > > > thanks > > > > chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 sustanon needs to be shot every 2 days minumim due to the fast acting proper other wise you will be on a horrible rollercoaster ride of T and e2. sustanon is not the best form of TRT as it has different acting testosterones making it hard to stablize levels. > > Hi all > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual activity? is that possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > thanks > > chris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 yeah i'm finding that out! in UK i may be able to get referred to dr who will give nibido or possibly gels. chris > > > > Hi all > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual activity? is that possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > > > thanks > > > > chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 This is how them shots work your good for about 10 days now your falling lower in your levels you need a shot again. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: does T get used up? > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 2:12 PM > Hi all > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 > days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual > activity? is that possible? or is it just more > likely to be tirednes? > > thanks > > chris > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 things were good for about 10 days, then dropped like a stone. think the dose was too much for 10 days. the urologist i've spoken to said they don't last longer than 14 days, you say 10, i've heard 12 too. so anything around that range. > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > > Subject: does T get used up? > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 2:12 PM > > Hi all > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 > > days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual > > activity? is that possible? or is it just more > > likely to be tirednes? > > > > thanks > > > > chris > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Well your down need a shot the next shot might last 14 days and yes I feel stress, over working out and things like this eat up the T meds. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 3:01 PM > things were good for about 10 days, > then dropped like a stone. think the dose was too much for > 10 days. the urologist i've spoken to said they don't > last longer than 14 days, you say 10, i've heard 12 > too. so anything around that range. > > > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > > > Subject: does T get used up? > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 2:12 PM > > > Hi all > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection > about 10 > > > days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or > sexual > > > activity? is that possible? or is it just > more > > > likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 thanks Phil it's gonna be a few days before i can get one, maybe not until next wednesday now. it's crazy tho, i gone from feeling good to nothing! wood has gone from good to absolutely nothing! i'm going to get this sorted out now, going to get referral to another expert and complain about gp if this isn't granted. are pellets best do you think? > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > Subject: does T get used up? > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 2:12 PM > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection > > about 10 > > > > days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or > > sexual > > > > activity? is that possible? or is it just > > more > > > > likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I would do pellets if I could find a Dr. that will give me enough to last me 3 months other wise for get it. Gels are good you can get testogel in the UK can't you. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 3:08 PM > thanks Phil > > it's gonna be a few days before i can get one, maybe not > until next wednesday now. it's crazy tho, i gone from > feeling good to nothing! wood has gone from good to > absolutely nothing! > > i'm going to get this sorted out now, going to get referral > to another expert and complain about gp if this isn't > granted. > > are pellets best do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > > Subject: does T get used > up? > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 2:12 > PM > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon > injection > > > about 10 > > > > > days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by weight > training or > > > sexual > > > > > activity? is that possible? or is > it just > > > more > > > > > likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 yeah we can get gels here i'm worried taht because i' m too fat that i'll have too much estrogen, i thought jabs might be better because of this? i'm about 70lbs over weight. i also thought gels would cause more DHT and m ight cause more hairloss? > > > > > > > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > > > Subject: does T get used > > up? > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 2:12 > > PM > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon > > injection > > > > about 10 > > > > > > days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by weight > > training or > > > > sexual > > > > > > activity? is that possible? or is > > it just > > > > more > > > > > > likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Worried about weight? Exercise with a low calorie / fat diet. DHT worries? It effects men with normal hormone levels. Minodill can help and if you have the couple of thousands- hair transplant surgery. Re: does T get used up? > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 3:08 PM > > thanks Phil > > > > it's gonna be a few days before i can get one, maybe not > > until next wednesday now. it's crazy tho, i gone from > > feeling good to nothing! wood has gone from good to > > absolutely nothing! > > > > i'm going to get this sorted out now, going to get referral > > to another expert and complain about gp if this isn't > > granted. > > > > are pe [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 so do you think that gels don't cause too much DHT? i have started exercising again now thanks chris > > > > > From: <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 3:08 PM > > > thanks Phil > > > > > > it's gonna be a few days before i can get one, maybe not > > > until next wednesday now. it's crazy tho, i gone from > > > feeling good to nothing! wood has gone from good to > > > absolutely nothing! > > > > > > i'm going to get this sorted out now, going to get referral > > > to another expert and complain about gp if this isn't > > > granted. > > > > > > are pe > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Good job on losing weight! Most men in here will say, they haven't read or heard gel works better than shots. It comes down to personal preference and what insurance will cover. Shots are cheaper and older compared to the more expensive and younger gel. Gel is done daily and shots are well- shots done twice a week. If you can afford gel and dnt mind doing it daily, go for it or shots. I see the key is foing it regularly. I have gel from december and should use it daily but afraid of losing more sperm and smaller testicles. I hope hcg can balance this fear out. Good luck bro Re: does T get used up? so do you think that gels don't cause too much DHT? i have started exercising again now thanks chris > > > > I would do pellets if I could find a Dr. that will give me enough to last me 3 months other wise for get it. Gels are good you can get testogel in the UK can't you. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I think gel can be ok, depending on the dosage. At one point (before I stopped HRT) I was on 10g which is two 5g packets, that is a lot of gel and I found it very annoying to apply because you basically have to apply one package and let it dry and then add more and there is only so much " muscle space " to apply it (applying to fat it can convert to E2 from what I read). On my initial 2.5g it was no biggie to apply because its a small packet, but that dosage is most likely not a good dosage for most men. I know for me I went from 250-260 to about 350, which is above the clinical marker of 300 but far from optimal or even normal for my age. Now I am finding out what is wrong to bring my T down now with a lot of blood tests, if I have to go back on T I will most likely try shots (never tried them), especially since if I have to be on T I will request HCG or not do it which I think is only available via shots. BR//Matt On 2/1/2011 9:39 AM, uu1845@... wrote: > > Good job on losing weight! Most men in here will say, they haven't > read or heard gel works better than shots. It comes down to personal > preference and what insurance will cover. Shots are cheaper and older > compared to the more expensive and younger gel. Gel is done daily and > shots are well- shots done twice a week. If you can afford gel and dnt > mind doing it daily, go for it or shots. I see the key is foing it > regularly. I have gel from december and should use it daily but afraid > of losing more sperm and smaller testicles. I hope hcg can balance > this fear out. Good luck bro > > Re: does T get used up? > > so do you think that gels don't cause too much DHT? > > i have started exercising again now > > thanks > > chris > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find a Dr. that will give me enough > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. Gels are good you can get > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > Co-Moderator > > > Phil > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Gels are the first choice. The problem is people do not want to take time to apply them properly. If you use testim, or androgel then you need to shower scrubb the area properly then make sure the area is dry before application. When rubbing in the gel it needs to be rubbed in for a prolong peroid of time. You can not just slap it on and go to get optimal benefits. It takes alittle time and TLC in order to get the benefits. I have schooled many people in this approach and have gotten tremendous feedback validated by lab results. > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find a Dr. that will give me enough > > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. Gels are good you can get > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > Phil > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Chris Depending on your circumstances, you may want to check into Dr. Barry Peatfield. I have refered several people to him and they were very confident in him. Please check him out. you may not need TRT, but other factors may be involved. I hope in the near future to eventually make contact with him. I think he has heard of me briefly, but like to have it offical > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual activity? is that possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > chris > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 are gels good even for fat people like me?! :-) am i right in being concerned about excess DHT - i already have excess body which is a lot thinner now i'm low T, but still there thanks chris > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find a Dr. that will give me enough > > > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. Gels are good you can get > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > Phil > > > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hi I've seen him twice already, he couldn't help me and prior to my 2nd appointment he said to me he didn't know what he was going to say to me! he is very good and a nice man too, but he couldn't help me, plus he cannot prescribe. he is good if you've got thyroid issues, but i don't have these. chris > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual activity? is that possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Yes you can get higher levels of DHT it took me about 4 yrs on it to peak out on DHT higher levels of DHT are not as bad as being to low. It's just a thought. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 8:16 AM > yeah we can get gels here > > i'm worried taht because i' m too fat that i'll have too > much estrogen, i thought jabs might be better because of > this? i'm about 70lbs over weight. > > i also thought gels would cause more DHT and m ight cause > more hairloss? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Chris > <chrisjtaylor46@> > > > > > > > Subject: does > T get used > > > up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, > 2011, 2:12 > > > PM > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my > sustanon > > > injection > > > > > about 10 > > > > > > > days ago, but i['ve suddenly > crashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by > weight > > > training or > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > activity? is that > possible? or is > > > it just > > > > > more > > > > > > > likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I have been over weight for yrs. I did Andorgel 10 grams / day. Then I switched to Testim 10 grams /day. With both you need to shower first every morning the by the time you done shaving your dry and can put on the gel. I put the Androgel on my upper arms and shoulders then down my back as far as I could reach. With Androgel you need to spread it around good but let it dry from wet. I did half the dose on one side the the other half on the other side. With Testim you need to rub it in well. When doing labs I would shower go do the labs then put on the gel. If you can't do this put on the gel keeping it off the area they take your blood from and do the labs 6 hrs after you put on the gel. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 11:51 AM > are gels good even for fat people > like me?! :-)Â am i right in being concerned about > excess DHT - i already have excess body which is a lot > thinner now i'm low T, but still there > > thanks > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find > a Dr. that will give me enough > > > > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. > Gels are good you can get > > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is not > included] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Thanks Phil On the gels what kind of blood result should you aim for? I mailed the uro and he says he aims for 17-25 on the injection. is that high enough to feel good and sexual function etc? also does having low shbg mean you can use less gel to get a good level of T in the blood? thanks Chris > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find a Dr. that will give me enough > > > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. Gels are good you can get > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > Phil > > > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 My doc tells me to apply Androgel 2 hours before labs. I think this is too short a time to get a true reading of what is in my system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find > > a Dr. that will give me enough > > > > > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. > > Gels are good you can get > > > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is not > > included] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Yes that is a good range to start with then go by how you feel. I am not sure on gels on shots the lower your SHBG the more T you need to get levels up. Keep in minds on gels your doing them everyday so your levels stay up. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 2:05 PM > Thanks Phil > > On the gels what kind of blood result should you aim > for? I mailed the uro and he says he aims for 17-25 on > the injection. is that high enough to feel good and sexual > function etc? > > also does having low shbg mean you can use less gel to get > a good level of T in the blood? > > thanks > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find > a Dr. that will give me enough > > > > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. > Gels are good you can get > > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is not > included] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 No Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com dose this he is one of the best at low T and he knows what he is doing. If your Dr. is up on this and understands he is going to see peak levels it's fine. Most Dr. will get upset seeing peak levels and lower your dose. So I tell men do your labs first then put on the gel so he can see how low you go. If you have levels after 2 hrs over 900 you good if you have levels less then 600 after 2 hrs your to low. Co-Moderator Phil > From: A lan <am3038@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:04 PM > My doc tells me to apply Androgel 2 > hours before labs. I think this is too short a time to get a > true reading of what is in my system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I > could find > > > a Dr. that will give me enough > > > > > > to last me 3 months other wise for > get it. > > > Gels are good you can get > > > > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is > not > > > included] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 isn't it the other way round? I thought SHBG bound to T, so if you have lots of SHBG you won't have much free T, but if you don't have much SHBG you will have lots of free T so you won't need as much T to raise the levels? >I am not sure on gels on shots the lower your SHBG the more T you need to get levels up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find > > a Dr. that will give me enough > > > > > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. > > Gels are good you can get > > > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is not > > included] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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