Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I am not talking about bound or unbound T levels you asked what is a good level on gels. From what I understand about this I might be wrong the lower your SHBG the more T meds you need to get your Total T levels up. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 3:38 PM > isn't it the other way round? I > thought SHBG bound to T, so if you have lots of SHBG you > won't have much free T, but if you don't have much SHBG you > will have lots of free T so you won't need as much T to > raise the levels? > > >I am not sure on gels on shots the lower your SHBG the > more T you need to get levels up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I > could find > > > a Dr. that will give me enough > > > > > > to last me 3 months other wise for > get it. > > > Gels are good you can get > > > > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is > not > > > included] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Need to see where the peak is. With gels we also run 24 hour urine testosteorne total to see the average over the day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I could find > > > a Dr. that will give me enough > > > > > > to last me 3 months other wise for get it. > > > Gels are good you can get > > > > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is not > > > included] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 what do you have specifically. Are you primary or secondary? > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual activity? is that possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 ok sorry for the misunderstanding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would do pellets if I > > could find > > > > a Dr. that will give me enough > > > > > > > to last me 3 months other wise for > > get it. > > > > Gels are good you can get > > > > > > > testogel in the UK can't you. > > > > > > > > > Co-Moderator > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is > > not > > > > included] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 i haven't been diagnosed. i have metabolic syndrome. fh+lh low, about 2, T was 8.8, range 8-27, before taht i have tested below the range . SHBG wes 13 i think, range 15-80 something like that. have seen a couple of real crap doctors. seen 1 good one who said my t was low, and suspeted pituitary problems or met syndrome etc, and anotehr who says my T is low and needs treating esp with met syndrome. i'm trying to get referred to the 2nd dr-gp refused, saying i ddin't need to see an expert (this is because it's cheaper for him if i don't). the other dr uses gels and nebido. it was a major struggle/triumph just to get to try the sustanon, and then they only gave me that to try to shut me up to prove it would make no difference, yet it has, it's made me feel much much better until it wears off then i'm as bad as before! chris > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly crashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by weight training or sexual activity? is that possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 A lot of the guys in the UK get treated some see a privet Dr. others keep at them until they take care of them. I thing I gave you these sites for help. http://www.andropause.org.uk/newforum/forum_frameset.htm http://www.andropause.org.uk/default.htm Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 5:08 PM > i haven't been diagnosed. i > have metabolic syndrome. fh+lh low, about 2, T was > 8.8, range 8-27, before taht i have tested below the range . > SHBG wes 13 i think, range 15-80 something like that. > > have seen a couple of real crap doctors. seen 1 good > one who said my t was low, and suspeted pituitary problems > or met syndrome etc, and anotehr who says my T is low and > needs treating esp with met syndrome. i'm trying to > get referred to the 2nd dr-gp refused, saying i ddin't need > to see an expert (this is because it's cheaper for him if i > don't). the other dr uses gels and nebido. it was a > major struggle/triumph just to get to try the sustanon, and > then they only gave me that to try to shut me up to prove it > would make no difference, yet it has, it's made me feel much > much better until it wears off then i'm as bad as before! > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my > sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly > crashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by > weight training or sexual activity? is that > possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Hi Phil yeah you did, the problem is you still need a referral from the GP- the guidelines are that doctors shouldn't accept a patient with out a referral and the vast majority don't. mine is awkward and wouldn't give me a referral recently. that is the stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as i had my > > sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve suddenly > > crashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, like by > > weight training or sexual activity? is that > > possible? or is it just more likely to be tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Just keep on him he will give in most do over there. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 1:39 PM > Hi Phil > > yeah you did, the problem is you still need a referral from > the GP- the guidelines are that doctors shouldn't accept a > patient with out a referral and the vast majority > don't. mine is awkward and wouldn't give me a referral > recently. > > that is the stumbling block. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as > i had my > > > sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve > suddenly > > > crashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, > like by > > > weight training or sexual activity? is that > > > possible? or is it just more likely to be > tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 yeah i will do i get my next jab on tuesday and i really need it. i want to wait for my next jab b4 getting referred in case he is even more awkward and witholds it. so after the jab i will ask him again. just worried that i won't respond well to other forms of T like gel or nebido or whatever, sustanon has a real kick and improves sexual function for me and fatige and depression, just worried the other forms won't help with that. sust has owrn off now and i feel crap and can't think straight, co-ordination's gone a bit too chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was feeling ok as > > i had my > > > > sustanon injection about 10 days ago, but i['ve > > suddenly > > > > crashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can T get used up, > > like by > > > > weight training or sexual activity? is that > > > > possible? or is it just more likely to be > > tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 Well you just started it should get better as you do more shots. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <chrisjtaylor46@...> > Subject: Re: does T get used up? > > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 2:05 PM > yeah i will do i get my next jab on > tuesday and i really need it. i want to wait for my > next jab b4 getting referred in case he is even more awkward > and witholds it. so after the jab i will ask him again. > > just worried that i won't respond well to other forms of T > like gel or nebido or whatever, sustanon has a real kick and > improves sexual function for me and fatige and depression, > just worried the other forms won't help with that. > sust has owrn off now and i feel crap and can't think > straight, co-ordination's gone a bit too > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was > feeling ok as > > > i had my > > > > > sustanon injection about 10 days ago, > but i['ve > > > suddenly > > > > > crashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can T get > used up, > > > like by > > > > > weight training or sexual activity? > is that > > > > > possible? or is it just more likely > to be > > > tirednes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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