Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now!

August 14, 2010

I never to over the top of the range for RBC.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > > I am not taking a lot of DHEA,

> only 35

> > mg

> > > every

> > > > other

> > > > > day, and my levels are still low range,

> so

> > how

> > > can

> > > > that

> > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it only excess

> DHEA

> > when

> > > you

> > > > take

> > > > > too much it will convert wrongly?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in my hubby

> was

> > > converting to

> > > > E2

> > > > > or something that made him more

> depressed.

> > I

> > > stopped

> > > > the

> > > > > DHEA, he came right back. When you are

> > > hormonally

> > > > off,

> > > > > everything converts every which way, in

> ways

> > you

> > > > don't

> > > > > think. To further complicate matters,

> > everything

> > > is

> > > > somehow

> > > > > interrelated. You certainly do not

> follow

> > the

> > > arrows

> > > > on a

> > > > > normal conversion chart !

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

August 14, 2010

So I will be back to where I was before TRT was started. How fast will it fall

and stabilize? I worry now cause I haven't taken the gel and.. I just Wonder how

I will feel tonight and tomorrow and in the coming days. But I worry more about

having thick and top much blood so.

Do you Think my blood situatuon is a combo of testo gel AND iron supplementing?

Can vitamin K2 make blood thicker? I am on thy as well.

T.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 15.51 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

No your question was will your Testosteone levels fall lower then your base

levels. I said if they do it would only be for like a day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > > I am not taking a lot of DHEA,

> only 35

> > mg

> > > every

> > > > other

> > > > > day, and my levels are still low range,

> so

> > how

> > > can

> > > > that

> > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it only excess

> DHEA

> > when

> > > you

> > > > take

> > > > > too much it will convert wrongly?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in my hubby

> was

> > > converting to

> > > > E2

> > > > > or something that made him more

> depressed.

> > I

> > > stopped

> > > > the

> > > > > DHEA, he came right back. When you are

> > > hormonally

> > > > off,

> > > > > everything converts every which way, in

> ways

> > you

> > > > don't

> > > > > think. To further complicate matters,

> > everything

> > > is

> > > > somehow

> > > > > interrelated. You certainly do not

> follow

> > the

> > > arrows

> > > > on a

> > > > > normal conversion chart !

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

August 14, 2010

The range is 4.2 to 5.7. Mine is 6.24.

What does this mean? My Ferritin is low in the 30s. The irer iron values Are

within range.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 15.53 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

I never to over the top of the range for RBC.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > >

> > > > > > I am not taking a lot of DHEA,

> only 35

> > mg

> > > every

> > > > other

> > > > > day, and my levels are still low range,

> so

> > how

> > > can

> > > > that

> > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it only excess

> DHEA

> > when

> > > you

> > > > take

> > > > > too much it will convert wrongly?

> > > > >

> > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in my hubby

> was

> > > converting to

> > > > E2

> > > > > or something that made him more

> depressed.

> > I

> > > stopped

> > > > the

> > > > > DHEA, he came right back. When you are

> > > hormonally

> > > > off,

> > > > > everything converts every which way, in

> ways

> > you

> > > > don't

> > > > > think. To further complicate matters,

> > everything

> > > is

> > > > somehow

> > > > > interrelated. You certainly do not

> follow

> > the

> > > arrows

> > > > on a

> > > > > normal conversion chart !

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

August 14, 2010

Now this might be your problem guys at Dr. 's are talking about a Vit. D

with K in it that they are taking.

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Vitamin-D-3-K-2-1-000-IU-45-mcg-120-Vcaps/10056?a\

t=0

At the bottom of this link it says.

" Consult your health practitioner before consumption if you are currently taking

any anti-coagulant drugs (i.e. warfarin, coumadin, heparin), or if you are

pregnant/lactating. "

So I did not go with this because my Heart Dr. has me taking Baby Aspirin to

keep my blood thinner. K2 Vit.'s can thicken your blood.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not taking a lot of

> DHEA,

> > only 35

> > > mg

> > > > every

> > > > > other

> > > > > > day, and my levels are still low

> range,

> > so

> > > how

> > > > can

> > > > > that

> > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it only

> excess

> > DHEA

> > > when

> > > > you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > too much it will convert wrongly?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in my

> hubby

> > was

> > > > converting to

> > > > > E2

> > > > > > or something that made him more

> > depressed.

> > > I

> > > > stopped

> > > > > the

> > > > > > DHEA, he came right back. When you

> are

> > > > hormonally

> > > > > off,

> > > > > > everything converts every which

> way, in

> > ways

> > > you

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > think. To further complicate

> matters,

> > > everything

> > > > is

> > > > > somehow

> > > > > > interrelated. You certainly do

> not

> > follow

> > > the

> > > > arrows

> > > > > on a

> > > > > > normal conversion chart !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message

> > have

> > > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

August 14, 2010

It might be nothing still this is why your GP is looking into all this.

http://www.ask.com/questions-about/High-Red-Blood-Cell-Count

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not taking a lot of

> DHEA,

> > only 35

> > > mg

> > > > every

> > > > > other

> > > > > > day, and my levels are still low

> range,

> > so

> > > how

> > > > can

> > > > > that

> > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it only

> excess

> > DHEA

> > > when

> > > > you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > too much it will convert wrongly?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in my

> hubby

> > was

> > > > converting to

> > > > > E2

> > > > > > or something that made him more

> > depressed.

> > > I

> > > > stopped

> > > > > the

> > > > > > DHEA, he came right back. When you

> are

> > > > hormonally

> > > > > off,

> > > > > > everything converts every which

> way, in

> > ways

> > > you

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > think. To further complicate

> matters,

> > > everything

> > > > is

> > > > > somehow

> > > > > > interrelated. You certainly do

> not

> > follow

> > > the

> > > > arrows

> > > > > on a

> > > > > > normal conversion chart !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message

> > have

> > > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

August 14, 2010

I have been taking K2 for 1 year and blood bevame thick only NOW.

I thought K2 made arteries stay clear of plaque! I take 90 mcg daily, which is

the rdi! My vitamin K is at 0.7 (range 0.1 - 2.2 ng/mLâ‚¬) - They test K1 tho,

not K2!

Can this really be it if I Yale whats

Normal every day? Chinese eat 1000s og mcg og K2 daily from

Sushi and nori seaweed. How can 90 mcg K2 be bad then?

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 16.25 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

Now this might be your problem guys at Dr. 's are talking about a Vit. D

with K in it that they are taking.

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Vitamin-D-3-K-2-1-000-IU-45-mcg-120-Vcaps/10056?a\

t=0

At the bottom of this link it says.

" Consult your health practitioner before consumption if you are currently taking

any anti-coagulant drugs (i.e. warfarin, coumadin, heparin), or if you are

pregnant/lactating. "

So I did not go with this because my Heart Dr. has me taking Baby Aspirin to

keep my blood thinner. K2 Vit.'s can thicken your blood.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not taking a lot of

> DHEA,

> > only 35

> > > mg

> > > > every

> > > > > other

> > > > > > day, and my levels are still low

> range,

> > so

> > > how

> > > > can

> > > > > that

> > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it only

> excess

> > DHEA

> > > when

> > > > you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > too much it will convert wrongly?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in my

> hubby

> > was

> > > > converting to

> > > > > E2

> > > > > > or something that made him more

> > depressed.

> > > I

> > > > stopped

> > > > > the

> > > > > > DHEA, he came right back. When you

> are

> > > > hormonally

> > > > > off,

> > > > > > everything converts every which

> way, in

> > ways

> > > you

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > think. To further complicate

> matters,

> > > everything

> > > > is

> > > > > somehow

> > > > > > interrelated. You certainly do

> not

> > follow

> > > the

> > > > arrows

> > > > > on a

> > > > > > normal conversion chart !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message

> > have

> > > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

August 14, 2010

We are not Dr.'s this can be possable but only your Dr. will know. I would stop

taking this until you get this figured out. I need Vit. D and they say you need

Vit. K with it to make it work better. But I don't want to add Vit. K2 to my

Vit. D if it can thicken blood.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not taking a lot

> of

> > DHEA,

> > > only 35

> > > > mg

> > > > > every

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > day, and my levels are still

> low

> > range,

> > > so

> > > > how

> > > > > can

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it

> only

> > excess

> > > DHEA

> > > > when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > too much it will convert

> wrongly?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in

> my

> > hubby

> > > was

> > > > > converting to

> > > > > > E2

> > > > > > > or something that made him

> more

> > > depressed.

> > > > I

> > > > > stopped

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > DHEA, he came right back.

> When you

> > are

> > > > > hormonally

> > > > > > off,

> > > > > > > everything converts every

> which

> > way, in

> > > ways

> > > > you

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > think. To further complicate

> > matters,

> > > > everything

> > > > > is

> > > > > > somehow

> > > > > > > interrelated. You certainly

> do

> > not

> > > follow

> > > > the

> > > > > arrows

> > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > normal conversion chart

> !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Â Â

> Â Â Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> > message

> > > have

> > > > been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

August 14, 2010

Your going through the same thing I went through. You have two choices (three

actually). You can have a unit of blood drawn to lower your

hematocrit/hemoglobin. You can take a couple of baby aspirin a day. Or you can

stop/lower the amount of T that your getting. I was originally on 200mg of T a

week! I initially went the blood draw route but that was a pain in the ass. I

did the baby aspirin thing, and that kept it just below the upper margin.

Finally I had my T dosage lowered to 80mg a week in two 40mg shots. I give the

shots myself so it isn't a big deal. This also has other benefits in that it

doesn't cause huge spikes in your estradiol levels. I continue to take the baby

aspirin as well and my counts have returned to well within the normal range. I

had the same BP problems as well. I am on BP meds still for it just to keep it

in check. I am losing weight so I expect at some point I will need to stop the

BP meds.

The one thing you DON'T want to do is ignore it. Stopping the T is not a really

good idea. Depending on your age (I'm 49) you don't need as much.

Joe

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not taking a lot of DHEA,

> > only 35

> > > mg

> > > > every

> > > > > other

> > > > > > day, and my levels are still low range,

> > so

> > > how

> > > > can

> > > > > that

> > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it only excess

> > DHEA

> > > when

> > > > you

> > > > > take

> > > > > > too much it will convert wrongly?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in my hubby

> > was

> > > > converting to

> > > > > E2

> > > > > > or something that made him more

> > depressed.

> > > I

> > > > stopped

> > > > > the

> > > > > > DHEA, he came right back. When you are

> > > > hormonally

> > > > > off,

> > > > > > everything converts every which way, in

> > ways

> > > you

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > think. To further complicate matters,

> > > everything

> > > > is

> > > > > somehow

> > > > > > interrelated. You certainly do not

> > follow

> > > the

> > > > arrows

> > > > > on a

> > > > > > normal conversion chart !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have

> > > been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

August 14, 2010

Stopping Vit K2 today, just in case.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 17.01 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

We are not Dr.'s this can be possable but only your Dr. will know. I would stop

taking this until you get this figured out. I need Vit. D and they say you need

Vit. K with it to make it work better. But I don't want to add Vit. K2 to my

Vit. D if it can thicken blood.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not taking a lot

> of

> > DHEA,

> > > only 35

> > > > mg

> > > > > every

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > day, and my levels are still

> low

> > range,

> > > so

> > > > how

> > > > > can

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it

> only

> > excess

> > > DHEA

> > > > when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > too much it will convert

> wrongly?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in

> my

> > hubby

> > > was

> > > > > converting to

> > > > > > E2

> > > > > > > or something that made him

> more

> > > depressed.

> > > > I

> > > > > stopped

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > DHEA, he came right back.

> When you

> > are

> > > > > hormonally

> > > > > > off,

> > > > > > > everything converts every

> which

> > way, in

> > > ways

> > > > you

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > think. To further complicate

> > matters,

> > > > everything

> > > > > is

> > > > > > somehow

> > > > > > > interrelated. You certainly

> do

> > not

> > > follow

> > > > the

> > > > > arrows

> > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > normal conversion chart

> !

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> > message

> > > have

> > > > been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

August 14, 2010

Btw if Vitamin K serum level is not high, then how can K2 100 mcg daily make

blood thicker? Will it do so anyway?

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 17.01 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

We are not Dr.'s this can be possable but only your Dr. will know. I would stop

taking this until you get this figured out. I need Vit. D and they say you need

Vit. K with it to make it work better. But I don't want to add Vit. K2 to my

Vit. D if it can thicken blood.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not taking a lot

> of

> > DHEA,

> > > only 35

> > > > mg

> > > > > every

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > day, and my levels are still

> low

> > range,

> > > so

> > > > how

> > > > > can

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > convert to E2 btw? Isn't it

> only

> > excess

> > > DHEA

> > > > when

> > > > > you

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > too much it will convert

> wrongly?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No, I believe 5 mg a day in

> my

> > hubby

> > > was

> > > > > converting to

> > > > > > E2

> > > > > > > or something that made him

> more

> > > depressed.

> > > > I

> > > > > stopped

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > DHEA, he came right back.

> When you

> > are

> > > > > hormonally

> > > > > > off,

> > > > > > > everything converts every

> which

> > way, in

> > > ways

> > > > you

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > think. To further complicate

> > matters,

> > > > everything

> > > > > is

> > > > > > somehow

> > > > > > > interrelated. You certainly

> do

> > not

> > > follow

> > > > the

> > > > > arrows

> > > > > > on a

> > > > > > > normal conversion chart

> !

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> > message

> > > have

> > > > been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

August 14, 2010

My blood got thicker only 7 days ago.

I am on 200 mg testosterone daily, so I guess its a lot.

I quit it today though. We'll see how it goes.

How long before blood gets thinner now?

Should I run to the ER and beg them to drain some

Blood?

I will also quit taking Vitamin K2 100 mcg daily tomorrow. It cant be good for

me with such a thick blood.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 14. aug. 2010 kl. 17.13 skrev " noonanjg " <jgnoonan@...>: