Re: I need to apologize to the men here

February 13, 2010

Jim,

I have been in your shoes as well, so I can say I truly understand, but be

thankful atleast the response time was appropriate as in my past with Dr's it

took some times up to a week to respond. There were days where I just wanted it

all to end, but I never gave up hope because of that look where I am today.

With my experience first hand and knowledge I am able to give back to people

educating them where I made mistakes so that the physician does not make the

same. Some cases are incredible challanging. My freind at at of 36 just went

through same thing as you are with the cancer, but he is optimistic.

If he would have listen to me a year ago he would not have been in this

position, but we can not change the past and move one. Now one can see why

taking a sytematic approach works because it narrows down the variables and this

is why i respect DR J hes very systematic making minor changes then measuring

the response. Estrogen also plays a huge effect in dopamine , norephinpherine ,

serotonin signaling so it can really put a spin on your head till you get

balanced out. Hopefully by making changes we have it should resolve majority of

your issues and may be even gels are not needed since your testicles could be

responding to the hcg so well which we need to drive up you low e2 ..optimally

mid 800 with e2 20-25 was your sweet spot !!

>

> To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to apologize to all of you for

the way I have conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled for and

should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN for my

disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I made here and on

another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

>

> I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should be put away for

awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought I was

going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was taking.

I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better today. HAN and Dr.O

have been very professional and tolerant of me.

>

> I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this point. Again, I'm

sorry from one man to the rest.

>

> Jim

>

February 13, 2010

One way to monitor your thyroid and adrenal function is to take temps three

times per day and average the 3 daily..that can help you adjust thyroid hormones

(up or down) and monitor how adrenals are doing (temps are stable or not over 5

days time)...www.drrind.com

Glad you are adjusting the meds downward...everyone different in terms of how

they can tolerate anything...hope you feel much better soon! I did not want to

see you get into psychotropic drugs !El

>

> To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to apologize to all of you for

the way I have conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled for and

should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN for my

disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I made here and on

another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

>

> I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should be put away for

awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought I was

going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was taking.

I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better today. HAN and Dr.O

have been very professional and tolerant of me.

>

> I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this point. Again, I'm

sorry from one man to the rest.

>

> Jim

>

February 13, 2010

Jim you don't need to apologize here for anything this is why we are here

everyone here has been down the road you on. So if you feel like crap come here

and vent on no need to apologize. Let it rip.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: I need to apologize to the men here

>

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:15 PM

> To all the men that frequent this

> forum. I need to apologize to all of you for the way I have

> conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled

> for and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally

> apologize to HAN for my disrespectful reply to one of his

> responses to a post that I made here and on another forum.

> HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

>

> I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should

> be put away for awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood

> pressure felt so high, I thought I was going to pop a vein

> in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was taking.

> I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better

> today. HAN and Dr.O have been very professional and tolerant

> of me.

>

> I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this

> point. Again, I'm sorry from one man to the rest.

>

> Jim

>

> ------------------------------------

>

February 13, 2010

After being on HGH I had to go back to taking my temps 3x's per day to tell if

my Thyroid meds were to strong Armour. I was having high BP and Heart rate and

sweating like a pig. It was my dose of Thyroid meds I stopped the meds for 2

days and went back up slow. I was at 3.5 grains not on 3 but my temps went up

from 98.4 to 99 in the past 2 days I am now back down to 98.4.

So yes taking your temps and charting them works you can print out the chart and

keep track of this I did it for months when I first started treating my Adrenals

and Thyroid you can read how I did this at this link.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: I need to apologize to the men here

>

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 3:08 PM

> One way to monitor your thyroid and

> adrenal function is to take temps three times per day and

> average the 3 daily..that can help you adjust thyroid

> hormones (up or down) and monitor how adrenals are doing

> (temps are stable or not over 5 days time)...www.drrind.com

>

> Glad you are adjusting the meds downward...everyone

> different in terms of how they can tolerate anything...hope

> you feel much better soon! I did not want to see you get

> into psychotropic drugs !El

>

> >

> > To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to

> apologize to all of you for the way I have conducted myself

> the last few days. My rants are uncalled for and should not

> be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN for my

> disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I

> made here and on another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel

> terrible with how I am these days.

> >

> > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I

> should be put away for awhile and sedated. Yesterday my

> blood pressure felt so high, I thought I was going to pop a

> vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was

> taking. I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel

> much better today. HAN and Dr.O have been very professional

> and tolerant of me.

> >

> > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to

> this point. Again, I'm sorry from one man to the rest.

> >

> > Jim

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

February 13, 2010

Thanks HAN. I'll be more considerate. One quick question. Since we are now

trying the hcg everyday, would this mean this would have to be done for the

forseeable future?

> >

> > To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to apologize to all of you

for the way I have conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled for

and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN for my

disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I made here and on

another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

> >

> > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should be put away for

awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought I was

going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was taking.

I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better today. HAN and Dr.O

have been very professional and tolerant of me.

> >

> > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this point. Again, I'm

sorry from one man to the rest.

> >

> > Jim

> >

>

February 13, 2010

Phil, thanks but there are plenty of guys here that feel like crap also. They

don't carry on like little girls.

>

> > From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> > Subject: I need to apologize to the men here

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:15 PM

> > To all the men that frequent this

> > forum. I need to apologize to all of you for the way I have

> > conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled

> > for and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally

> > apologize to HAN for my disrespectful reply to one of his

> > responses to a post that I made here and on another forum.

> > HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

> >

> > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should

> > be put away for awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood

> > pressure felt so high, I thought I was going to pop a vein

> > in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was taking.

> > I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better

> > today. HAN and Dr.O have been very professional and tolerant

> > of me.

> >

> > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this

> > point. Again, I'm sorry from one man to the rest.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

February 13, 2010

El, for the last week I've statred to record my temps each day. They're kind of

low. Highest average for a day was 97.7, lowest for a day of 96.9. I was on

10mcg of cytomel. That stuff really shot my blood pressure and pulse way up. My

pulse still seems to be high, but the blood pressure is back to normal.

I did the adrenal saliva test a few months ago. It was normal moring, then low

the rest of the day. I think there may be a spike in the evening level now, for

2 reasons:

1- I was lifting weights at 6:30pm

2- The cytomel may have done something. I would wake up and my heart would

racing like all hell.

> >

> > To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to apologize to all of you

for the way I have conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled for

and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN for my

disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I made here and on

another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

> >

> > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should be put away for

awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought I was

going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was taking.

I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better today. HAN and Dr.O

have been very professional and tolerant of me.

> >

> > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this point. Again, I'm

sorry from one man to the rest.

> >

> > Jim

> >

>

February 13, 2010

I just wish they still when back far enough on posts so you could see how I

acted when I came here.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: I need to apologize to the men here

>

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:24 PM

> Phil, thanks but there are plenty of

> guys here that feel like crap also. They don't carry on like

> little girls.

>

> >

> > > From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> > > Subject: I need to apologize to

> the men here

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:15 PM

> > > To all the men that frequent this

> > > forum. I need to apologize to all of you for the

> way I have

> > > conducted myself the last few days. My rants are

> uncalled

> > > for and should not be tolerated. I'd like to

> formally

> > > apologize to HAN for my disrespectful reply to

> one of his

> > > responses to a post that I made here and on

> another forum.

> > > HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am

> these days.

> > >

> > > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like

> I should

> > > be put away for awhile and sedated. Yesterday my

> blood

> > > pressure felt so high, I thought I was going to

> pop a vein

> > > in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I

> was taking.

> > > I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel

> much better

> > > today. HAN and Dr.O have been very professional

> and tolerant

> > > of me.

> > >

> > > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it

> to this

> > > point. Again, I'm sorry from one man to the

> rest.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

February 13, 2010

Wow I better stress dose my HC I can't even post I am so dam upset about my son

in law.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> > Subject: Re: I need to apologize to the

> men here

> >

> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 4:24 PM

> > Phil, thanks but there are plenty of

> > guys here that feel like crap also. They don't carry

> on like

> > little girls.

> >

> > >

> > > > From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> > > > Subject: I need to apologize

> to

> > the men here

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:15 PM

> > > > To all the men that frequent this

> > > > forum. I need to apologize to all of you for

> the

> > way I have

> > > > conducted myself the last few days. My rants

> are

> > uncalled

> > > > for and should not be tolerated. I'd like

> to

> > formally

> > > > apologize to HAN for my disrespectful reply

> to

> > one of his

> > > > responses to a post that I made here and on

> > another forum.

> > > > HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I

> am

> > these days.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel

> like

> > I should

> > > > be put away for awhile and sedated.

> Yesterday my

> > blood

> > > > pressure felt so high, I thought I was going

> to

> > pop a vein

> > > > in my head. It was a reaction to a

> medication I

> > was taking.

> > > > I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I

> feel

> > much better

> > > > today. HAN and Dr.O have been very

> professional

> > and tolerant

> > > > of me.

> > > >

> > > > I won't bore you with this anymore if you

> made it

> > to this

> > > > point. Again, I'm sorry from one man to the

> > rest.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

February 13, 2010

Phil, both you and your son in law are in my thoughts.

> > > >

> > > > > From: jim <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > Subject: I need to apologize

> > to

> > > the men here

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:15 PM

> > > > > To all the men that frequent this

> > > > > forum. I need to apologize to all of you for

> > the

> > > way I have

> > > > > conducted myself the last few days. My rants

> > are

> > > uncalled

> > > > > for and should not be tolerated. I'd like

> > to

> > > formally

> > > > > apologize to HAN for my disrespectful reply

> > to

> > > one of his

> > > > > responses to a post that I made here and on

> > > another forum.

> > > > > HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I

> > am

> > > these days.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel

> > like

> > > I should

> > > > > be put away for awhile and sedated.

> > Yesterday my

> > > blood

> > > > > pressure felt so high, I thought I was going

> > to

> > > pop a vein

> > > > > in my head. It was a reaction to a

> > medication I

> > > was taking.

> > > > > I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I

> > feel

> > > much better

> > > > > today. HAN and Dr.O have been very

> > professional

> > > and tolerant

> > > > > of me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I won't bore you with this anymore if you

> > made it

> > > to this

> > > > > point. Again, I'm sorry from one man to the

> > > rest.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jim

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

February 13, 2010

The question is this jim. How much testosterone can we push out of your one

testicle since the body has an amazing way to compensate when it lacks somehing.

What I am saying is that you only may need HCG after all and if your T levels

shots up into the 900-1000 range then we have our answer, but if your levels

only 600-700, but you feel good then roll with it.

No matter what the scenrio goal is 800-900 e2 20-25 that is where you feel best

1) Will the HCG increasing testosterone to around 800-900 range?

2) will T shots really be the answer because its hcg stimulates aromatization

in the testicle more greatly then T will..Since you have low body weight and one

testicle your ability to aromatize testosterone may be altered and needs to be

compensated with more HCG then T. I was the same way. I could take huge amounts

of Testosterone and not problem with e2. Adding HCG my body went hay wire making

e2 fluctuation like crazy. May be I just be better off with testosterone and no

hcg. I have been debating this big time.

> > >

> > > To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to apologize to all of you

for the way I have conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled for

and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN for my

disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I made here and on

another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

> > >

> > > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should be put away for

awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought I was

going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was taking.

I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better today. HAN and Dr.O

have been very professional and tolerant of me.

> > >

> > > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this point. Again,

I'm sorry from one man to the rest.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> >

>

February 13, 2010

" No matter what the scenario goal is 800-900 e2 20-25 that is where you feel

best "

I've got to say everyone has their own sweet spot. He may be at his best at

600. You do not know until you try. And E2 range can be anywhere, especially

when taking SHBG into consideration, as it seems to affect emotions with

respect to E more than T.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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February 13, 2010

We'll see what the last boy can do. One of my original concerns 3 years ago when

I saw the first in a chain of docs, was my testicle had shrunk considerably from

being a normal size. I had already started to feel the slide in energy,libido,

ED etc.

Today, I think my nut is just tired. I go to another forum where some guys have

lost both nuts to TC. They seem to be ok with their TRT. This leads me to

believe my low E2 problems is from the compounded T not absorbing well for

whatever reason.

> > > >

> > > > To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to apologize to all of

you for the way I have conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled

for and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN for my

disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I made here and on

another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should be put away

for awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought I

was going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was

taking. I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better today. HAN

and Dr.O have been very professional and tolerant of me.

> > > >

> > > > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this point. Again,

I'm sorry from one man to the rest.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 13, 2010

Well next week if you feel better then your boy is alive and kicking he may

might have needed a little more kick. If not we move to T with hcg shots simple

solution. My fear is that if we push T high enough you may have still low e2.

with enough hcg may push both t and E higher thats what we want..My personal

opinoin wants you get you T and E up your rt3 should go into place. When you

got mid 800's is where you feeling the best. Problem with compounded creams

they are not regulated by FDA and it really depends on the pharmacy.

> > > > >

> > > > > To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to apologize to all of

you for the way I have conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled

for and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN for my

disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I made here and on

another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should be put away

for awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought I

was going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was

taking. I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better today. HAN

and Dr.O have been very professional and tolerant of me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this point.

Again, I'm sorry from one man to the rest.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jim

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 14, 2010

Maybe this compound pharmacy is'nt one of the better ones for consistancy of

their product. Do you have other men that use this pharmacy? I have read some

posts on another forum from a man that was looking for another pharmacy. He

questioned the quality of the pharmacy he was using.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To all the men that frequent this forum. I need to apologize to all

of you for the way I have conducted myself the last few days. My rants are

uncalled for and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally apologize to HAN

for my disrespectful reply to one of his responses to a post that I made here

and on another forum. HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know what's going on with me. I feel like I should be put

away for awhile and sedated. Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought

I was going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a medication I was

taking. I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to stop. I feel much better today. HAN

and Dr.O have been very professional and tolerant of me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I won't bore you with this anymore if you made it to this point.

Again, I'm sorry from one man to the rest.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jim

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 14, 2010

Dr.J, for 1 week in December I was at 866 T, 22 E2. I was feeling good. Then the

E2 crashed back down and has been in the basement ever since. I was last tested

at 511 T and 4 E2. I felt lousy, as I do today. I don't understand yet how shbg

plays into this but mine at last testing was 25.5. When I was feeling good that

week, the shbg was 28.4.

>

> " No matter what the scenario goal is 800-900 e2 20-25 that is where you feel

> best "

>

> I've got to say everyone has their own sweet spot. He may be at his best at

> 600. You do not know until you try. And E2 range can be anywhere, especially

> when taking SHBG into consideration, as it seems to affect emotions with

> respect to E more than T.

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

> Crisler, DO

>

> Anti-Aging Medicine

>

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February 14, 2010

Thank you they are keeping him in the hosp. to do testing he would be home and

back to work Mon. if it were not for them trying to figure out why he has them

strokes on both sides of the back part of his bain. So they are going down his

nick to look for a small hole that might be between the chambers of his heart

and it it's there they will fix it so this dose not happen again if not they

will keep looking.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: I need to apologize to the men here

>

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 5:13 PM

> Phil, both you and your son in law

> are in my thoughts.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: jim <virtuosa150@>

> > > > > > Subject: I need to

> apologize

> > > to

> > > > the men here

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010,

> 1:15 PM

> > > > > > To all the men that frequent this

> > > > > > forum. I need to apologize to all

> of you for

> > > the

> > > > way I have

> > > > > > conducted myself the last few

> days. My rants

> > > are

> > > > uncalled

> > > > > > for and should not be tolerated.

> I'd like

> > > to

> > > > formally

> > > > > > apologize to HAN for my

> disrespectful reply

> > > to

> > > > one of his

> > > > > > responses to a post that I made

> here and on

> > > > another forum.

> > > > > > HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible

> with how I

> > > am

> > > > these days.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know what's going on with

> me. I feel

> > > like

> > > > I should

> > > > > > be put away for awhile and

> sedated.

> > > Yesterday my

> > > > blood

> > > > > > pressure felt so high, I thought I

> was going

> > > to

> > > > pop a vein

> > > > > > in my head. It was a reaction to

> a

> > > medication I

> > > > was taking.

> > > > > > I spoke with Dr.O and he told me

> to stop. I

> > > feel

> > > > much better

> > > > > > today. HAN and Dr.O have been

> very

> > > professional

> > > > and tolerant

> > > > > > of me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I won't bore you with this anymore

> if you

> > > made it

> > > > to this

> > > > > > point. Again, I'm sorry from one

> man to the

> > > > rest.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jim

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

February 14, 2010

Yes I am with you on this one Dr. and all the things you say about this

problem. I can tell you all out there Estradiol can mess you up big time. High

levels were giving me Panic Attacks so if your prone to them high levels of E2

will set them off.

I know a huge number of men with levels of Total T at lower levels on TRT that

do fine. And they are lucky the size of the man has nothing to do with this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Crisler, DO <drjohn@...>

> Subject: Re: I need to apologize to the men here

>

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 8:33 PM

> " No matter what the scenario goal is

> 800-900 e2 20-25 that is where you feel

> best "

>

> I've got to say everyone has their own sweet spot. He may

> be at his best at

> 600. You do not know until you try. And E2 range can be

> anywhere, especially

> when taking SHBG into consideration, as it seems to affect

> emotions with

> respect to E more than T.

>

> Be well!

>

> Regards,

>

> Crisler, DO

>

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February 14, 2010

I don't know if this helps about his problem but when I went to low on E2 doing

arimidex and did not know it for 3 months it took me being off the arimidex just

doing T shots about 2 months to get my E2 levels back up. I have found the

longer your low the longer it can take to come back up. You might need to give

this a lot more time they your doing or your going to go from one end to the

other and back again. Putting him on a roller coaster ride.

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Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: I need to apologize to the men here

>

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 11:31 PM

> Well next week if you feel better

> then your boy is alive and kicking he may might have needed

> a little more kick. If not we move to T with hcg shots

> simple solution. My fear is that if we push T high

> enough you may have still low e2. with enough hcg may push

> both t and E higher thats what we want..My personal opinoin

> wants you get you T and E up your rt3 should go into

> place. When you got mid 800's is where you feeling the

> best. Problem with compounded creams they are not

> regulated by FDA and it really depends on the pharmacy.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To all the men that frequent this

> forum. I need to apologize to all of you for the way I have

> conducted myself the last few days. My rants are uncalled

> for and should not be tolerated. I'd like to formally

> apologize to HAN for my disrespectful reply to one of his

> responses to a post that I made here and on another forum.

> HAN, I'm sorry, I feel terrible with how I am these days.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know what's going on with

> me. I feel like I should be put away for awhile and sedated.

> Yesterday my blood pressure felt so high, I thought I was

> going to pop a vein in my head. It was a reaction to a

> medication I was taking. I spoke with Dr.O and he told me to

> stop. I feel much better today. HAN and Dr.O have been very

> professional and tolerant of me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I won't bore you with this anymore

> if you made it to this point. Again, I'm sorry from one man

> to the rest.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jim

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

February 14, 2010

may be that first reading was your testicle last stand..then just fizzled out.