RE: pregnenolone for memory?

[Guest guest]

Lee there is a lot of info about this at Dr. 's forum read the Sticky there

called " Hormones 101 " and all the posts about Preg.

I tired Preg. pills for men and many other men it converted into Estraidol the

pills need to go through the liver and you don't know what your getting after

this.

So if your going to try Preg. Test your levels first and try Life-Flo Preg.

cream. I went on this last Sept. it even helped to lower my Estraidol levels I

sleep better and my libido is why up.

Go to the files section and look at the Steroid Tree it shows you what Preg.

converts into. Doing cream it does not pass through the liver.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male & s= & dayspr\

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Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dan Lee <nvestnyuth@...>

> Subject: pregnenolone for memory?

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 11:28 PM

> Just got a mag of

> supplements/vitamins called kvhealthlinks.com and in the mag

> it list pregnenolone as a memory enhancer.  Anyone had any

> experience with this?

>  

> I've been on trt for three yrs. or so with pretty good

> results.  I've had an occasional rise in E2 but can't

> complain too much.  However, for possibly 8 years or so,

> prior to trt, I had several symptoms of low testosterone. 

> One of those being poor or scattered short-term memory. 

> Memory fog is another term.  I still find myself at times

> forgetting simple words to songs (I'm a guitar player) or

> something I need to study.  So when I seen the benefits of

> pregnenolone I thought I would look into it.

>  

> 50 30mg caps is $9.95

>  

> Thanks all,

>  

> Lee

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Lee,

Pregnenalone is very beneficial for your brain. However, what we supplement

is literally only a drop in the bucket of what our brain needs. DHEA is

also very beneficial for our brains and supplementation is adequate for our

brains' needs.

You can also look into nootropics like 'racetams. Google " nootropics " and

you'll find loads of info on them. I've used them in the past and they work

really well. The only caveat is that if you're adrenals are not good, they

will tax them b/c your brain uses up a lot of energy on the nootropics.

Mike

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:09 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> Lee there is a lot of info about this at Dr. 's forum read the Sticky

> there called " Hormones 101 " and all the posts about Preg.

>

> I tired Preg. pills for men and many other men it converted into Estraidol

> the pills need to go through the liver and you don't know what your getting

> after this.

>

> So if your going to try Preg. Test your levels first and try Life-Flo Preg.

> cream. I went on this last Sept. it even helped to lower my Estraidol levels

> I sleep better and my libido is why up.

>

> Go to the files section and look at the Steroid Tree it shows you what

> Preg. converts into. Doing cream it does not pass through the liver.

>

>

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male & s= & dayspr\

une=

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Dan Lee <nvestnyuth@...>

> > Subject: pregnenolone for memory?

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 11:28 PM

> > Just got a mag of

> > supplements/vitamins called kvhealthlinks.com and in the mag

> > it list pregnenolone as a memory enhancer. Anyone had any

> > experience with this?

> >

> > I've been on trt for three yrs. or so with pretty good

> > results. I've had an occasional rise in E2 but can't

> > complain too much. However, for possibly 8 years or so,

> > prior to trt, I had several symptoms of low testosterone.

> > One of those being poor or scattered short-term memory.

> > Memory fog is another term. I still find myself at times

> > forgetting simple words to songs (I'm a guitar player) or

> > something I need to study. So when I seen the benefits of

> > pregnenolone I thought I would look into it.

> >

> > 50 30mg caps is $9.95

> >

> > Thanks all,

> >

> > Lee

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am doing great on Preg. just went to high on labs need a break then go back on

it but doing less.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Dan Lee <nvestnyuth@...>

> > > Subject: pregnenolone for memory?

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 11:28 PM

> > > Just got a mag of

> > > supplements/vitamins called kvhealthlinks.com and

> in the mag

> > > it list pregnenolone as a memory enhancer. 

> Anyone had any

> > > experience with this?

> > >

> > > I've been on trt for three yrs. or so with pretty

> good

> > > results.  I've had an occasional rise in E2

> but can't

> > > complain too much.  However, for possibly 8

> years or so,

> > > prior to trt, I had several symptoms of low

> testosterone.

> > > One of those being poor or scattered short-term

> memory.

> > > Memory fog is another term.  I still find

> myself at times

> > > forgetting simple words to songs (I'm a guitar

> player) or

> > > something I need to study.  So when I seen

> the benefits of

> > > pregnenolone I thought I would look into it.

> > >

> > > 50 30mg caps is $9.95

> > >

> > > Thanks all,

> > >

> > > Lee

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil, is there an upper limit for pregnenalone?

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> I am doing great on Preg. just went to high on labs need a break then go

> back on it but doing less.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > >

> > > > From: Dan Lee <nvestnyuth@...>

> > > > Subject: pregnenolone for memory?

> > > >

> > > > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 11:28 PM

> > > > Just got a mag of

> > > > supplements/vitamins called kvhealthlinks.com and

> > in the mag

> > > > it list pregnenolone as a memory enhancer.

> > Anyone had any

> > > > experience with this?

> > > >

> > > > I've been on trt for three yrs. or so with pretty

> > good

> > > > results. I've had an occasional rise in E2

> > but can't

> > > > complain too much. However, for possibly 8

> > years or so,

> > > > prior to trt, I had several symptoms of low

> > testosterone.

> > > > One of those being poor or scattered short-term

> > memory.

> > > > Memory fog is another term. I still find

> > myself at times

> > > > forgetting simple words to songs (I'm a guitar

> > player) or

> > > > something I need to study. So when I seen

> > the benefits of

> > > > pregnenolone I thought I would look into it.

> > > >

> > > > 50 30mg caps is $9.95

> > > >

> > > > Thanks all,

> > > >

> > > > Lee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

My Dr. feels I am to high

Pregnenolone, LC/MS/MS 262 high range 13 – 208 ng/dL.

I would say mid to upper 1/3 in the top of the range most men can't get this

high.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > >

> > > > > From: Dan Lee <nvestnyuth@...>

> > > > > Subject: pregnenolone

> for memory?

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011,

> 11:28 PM

> > > > > Just got a mag of

> > > > > supplements/vitamins called

> kvhealthlinks.com and

> > > in the mag

> > > > > it list pregnenolone as a memory

> enhancer.

> > > Anyone had any

> > > > > experience with this?

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been on trt for three yrs. or so

> with pretty

> > > good

> > > > > results.  I've had an occasional

> rise in E2

> > > but can't

> > > > > complain too much.  However, for

> possibly 8

> > > years or so,

> > > > > prior to trt, I had several symptoms of

> low

> > > testosterone.

> > > > > One of those being poor or scattered

> short-term

> > > memory.

> > > > > Memory fog is another term.  I

> still find

> > > myself at times

> > > > > forgetting simple words to songs (I'm a

> guitar

> > > player) or

> > > > > something I need to study.  So

> when I seen

> > > the benefits of

> > > > > pregnenolone I thought I would look

> into it.

> > > > >

> > > > > 50 30mg caps is $9.95

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lee

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I am going to order pregnenolone cream. I read to rub half a teaspoon on skin. I

will also order Armidex-14 pills for around 14 dollars plus 20 more for tax...

Do you need to take either or every day?

Re: pregnenolone for memory?

I am doing great on Preg. just went to high on labs need a break then go back on

it but doing less.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

[The entire original message is not included]

[Guest guest]

If you get Preg. cream after finding your labs are low buy this brand it's one

pump / day.

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Organic-Living-Pregnenolone-2-oz-57-g/15119\

?at=0

As for Arimidex how high are you if your over 50 pg/ml start with .5 mgs or one

half a pill every other day then follow the copy of the file at the end of this

post so you don't go to low.

If your under 50 pg/ml then try .25 mgs or 1/4 of a pill every 2 to 3 days.

================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > >

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello all, Phil thanks for the link upload. I finally shot HCG! I shot 2.4 or 24

cc. I will take another shot next thursday. If I should take it every three days

please let me know. I have to wait until next week for a new TRT script so I am

not on it currently ....

My estogen has always been high. Last time it was checked was a few months ago

and it was in the high 30's. Before I order, I may consult with an endo doc. I

am not sure which kind od E2 BLOCKER will be best for me now.

RE: pregnenolone for memory?

If you get Preg. cream after finding your labs are low buy this brand it's one

pump / day.

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Organic-Living-Pregnenolone-2-oz-57-g/15119\

?at=0

As for Arimidex how high are you if your over 50 pg/ml start with .5 mgs or one

half a pill every other day then follow the copy of the file at the end of this

post so you don't go to low.

If your under 50 pg/ml then try .25 mgs or 1/4 of a pill every 2 to 3 days.

================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you

[The entire original message is not included]

[Guest guest]

If you do this low dose of HCG and your not on TRT a week would be out of it's

half life. I would try this every other day or if your worried every 3 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> Subject: RE: pregnenolone for memory?

>

> Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:58 PM

> Hello all, Phil thanks for the link

> upload. I finally shot HCG! I shot 2.4 or 24 cc. I will take

> another shot next thursday. If I should take it every three

> days please let me know. I have to wait until next week for

> a new TRT script so I am not on it currently ....

>

> My estogen has always been high. Last time it was checked

> was a few months ago and it was in the high 30's. Before I

> order, I may consult with an endo doc. I am not sure which

> kind od E2 BLOCKER will be best for me

> now.   

>

> RE: pregnenolone for memory?

>

>

> If you get Preg. cream after finding your labs are low buy

> this brand it's one pump / day.

>

http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Organic-Living-Pregnenolone-2-oz-57-g/15119\

?at=0

> As for Arimidex how high are you if your over 50 pg/ml

> start with .5 mgs or one half a pill every other day then

> follow the copy of the file at the end of this post so you

> don't go to low.

>

> If your under 50 pg/ml then try .25 mgs or 1/4 of a pill

> every 2 to 3 days.

> ================================================

> How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to

> Low.

>

> What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the

> length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks

> it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol.

> Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

> your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up

> taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and

> did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so

> I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my

> next labs.

>

> The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol

> levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good

> levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time

> and morning wood back so strong it will wake you

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey, you recommended this low dose. I am not experienced in dosing and haven't

discussed this with a doctor yet. Please let me know which dose should I use

now...

Up it to 40cc? If so, 40cc every week? biweekly?

Thanks- Go Knicks!

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 3:52:44 PM

Subject: RE: pregnenolone for memory?

If you do this low dose of HCG and your not on TRT a week would be out of it's

half life. I would try this every other day or if your worried every 3 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> Subject: RE: pregnenolone for memory?

>

> Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:58 PM

> Hello all, Phil thanks for the link

> upload. I finally shot HCG! I shot 2.4 or 24 cc. I will take

> another shot next thursday. If I should take it every three

> days please let me know. I have to wait until next week for

> a new TRT script so I am not on it currently ....

>

> My estogen has always been high. Last time it was checked

> was a few months ago and it was in the high 30's. Before I

> order, I may consult with an endo doc. I am not sure which

> kind od E2 BLOCKER will be best for me

> now.

>

> RE: pregnenolone for memory?

>

>

> If you get Preg. cream after finding your labs are low buy

> this brand it's one pump / day.

>http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Organic-Living-Pregnenolone-2-oz-57-g/1511\

9?at=0

>0

> As for Arimidex how high are you if your over 50 pg/ml

> start with .5 mgs or one half a pill every other day then

> follow the copy of the file at the end of this post so you

> don't go to low.

>

> If your under 50 pg/ml then try .25 mgs or 1/4 of a pill

> every 2 to 3 days.

> ================================================

> How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to

> Low.

>

> What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the

> length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks

> it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol.

> Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

> your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up

> taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and

> did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so

> I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my

> next labs.

>

> The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol

> levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good

> levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time

> and morning wood back so strong it will wake you

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

You scare me I just said what your doing once a week will be out of the half

life of the HCG. I is only good for 2 to 3 days after a shot then you fall

back. This is not good falling back your better off not using it. So I say do

the same size shot you just did but every other day now your talking about doing

a bigger shot.

You got the HCG over seas no script taking to a Dr. about the dose he is going

to ask you who gave it to you what Dr.

Your going down the wrong road if you needed to talk to a Dr. about how to take

this you should stop now and do so.

Back when you askes me about doing this I told you most men doing HCG only, do

60 IU's to 100 IU's / day. Now I have no Idea why your trying it people don't

take it by it's self once a week. Doing this puts you on a roller coaster ride

up after the shot then on your butt by the next one in a week.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: uu1845@...

> <uu1845@...>

> > Subject: RE: pregnenolone for memory?

> >

> > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:58 PM

> > Hello all, Phil thanks for the link

> > upload. I finally shot HCG! I shot 2.4 or 24 cc. I

> will take

> > another shot next thursday. If I should take it every

> three

> > days please let me know. I have to wait until next

> week for

> > a new TRT script so I am not on it currently ....

> >

> > My estogen has always been high. Last time it was

> checked

> > was a few months ago and it was in the high 30's.

> Before I

> > order, I may consult with an endo doc. I am not sure

> which

> > kind od E2 BLOCKER will be best for me

> > now.   

> >

> > RE: pregnenolone for memory?

> >

> >

> > If you get Preg. cream after finding your labs are low

> buy

> > this brand it's one pump / day.

>

>http://www.iherb.com/Life-Flo-Health-Organic-Living-Pregnenolone-2-oz-57-g/1511\

9?at=0

> >0

> >  As for Arimidex how high are you if your over 50

> pg/ml

> > start with .5 mgs or one half a pill every other day

> then

> > follow the copy of the file at the end of this post so

> you

> > don't go to low.

> >

> >  If your under 50 pg/ml then try .25 mgs or 1/4

> of a pill

> > every 2 to 3 days.

> > 

> ================================================

> >  How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your

> Estradiol to

> > Low.

> >

> >  What I found is if you go to low taking

> arimidex, it's the

> > length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8

> weeks

> > it can take your body a longer time to make more

> Estradiol.

> > Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a

> log on

> > your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get

> it up

> > taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried

> Arimidex and

> > did not know about going to low or how one feels to

> low, so

> > I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

> until my

> > next labs.

> >

> >  The best gage I have found to control your

> Estradiol

> > levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At

> good

> > levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your

> night time

> > and morning wood back so strong it will wake you

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ok and thanks. I am also afraid. I will do a shot every third day of 24cc or

2.4cc. I hope my testes get bigger without lowering my fsh, lh, test levels.

When I get on trt again, I will ask you which dose should I be do while taking

trt shots.

Thank you for everything Phil-

Re: pregnenolone for memory?

>

> Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 5:11 PM

>

>

> Hey, you recommended this low dose. I am not experienced in

> dosing and haven't

> discussed this with a doctor yet. Please let me

[The entire original message is not included]

[Guest guest]

I told you if you take HCG it acts like LH and FSH and on it your levels will go

down for LH and FSH because the HCG acts like it. But when you stop the HCG the

LH and FSH levels go back up. One TRT your LH and FSH levels get shut down and

don't come back up when you stop TRT.

To start on shots one would do a 200 mgs jump start shot then 100 mgs every week

there after.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: U U <uu1845@...>

> > Subject: Re: pregnenolone for memory?

> >

> > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 5:11 PM

> >

> >

> > Hey, you recommended this low dose. I am not

> experienced in

> > dosing and haven't

> > discussed this with a doctor yet. Please let me

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

The TRT I understand, its managing HCG now. No doc properly explained it to me.

All they said was no, it will do anything for me. I look forward in what you all

have said regarding a better well-being and larger testes in a couple of months.

I know if I meet a woman and date, I will have to be off of any TRT to have a

slim chance at conception. If not, fertility meds and prayer.

I thought if the testes are larger, some how sperm can 'flood' in. Stupid theory

huh...

I am not crazy about taking a HCG shot every 3 days, however, I have to consult

with a professional now on proper dose taking.

Now ill continue every three days with a 29' 1/2 needle. I just ordered a vial,

now I have it cooling in the HCG vial. I shoot in my leg area; above the knee or

in my thigh.

Phil, have fun with gaming and your family. Be well and watch some sports or

take your great wife to a movie. You have done so much for us, I know it may

feel we collectively do not appreciate it, but many in here does.

RE: pregnenolone for memory?

>

> Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 7:02 PM

> Ok and thanks. I am also afraid. I

> will do a shot every third day of 24cc or 2.4cc. I hope my

> testes get bigger without lowering my fsh, lh, test levels.

> When I get on trt again, I will ask you which dose should I

> be do while taking trt shots.

>

> Thank you for everything Phil-

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 5:34 PM

> To:

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Once again your not reading me right don't talk to a Dr. about how to take the

HCG you have this is nuts. The Dr. is going to think your self treating and not

what to treat you.

Look people all over the world use HCG to lose weight read about it in this

link.

http://4hcgsuccess.com/hcg-protocol

They do a shot everyday and it's safe.

What your trying to do is to get your testis to work men doing this do a shot

everyday or every other day.

Dr.'s that use HCG will tell men to make a baby to do shot as big as 1000 IU's 2

to 4 x's a week.

Your not doing this your just trying to get your testis to make more

Testosterone the HCG acts like the message of LH sent to them that tells them to

make more T. If your testis work they will start to work and your testosterone

levels will go up and your testis will get bigger.

You just can't go see some DUMB A** Endo or a Dr. that helps people make baby's

and talke to them about using HCG to make your T levels go up.

If you plain on doing this don't use the HCG see a Dr. and try to get it from

them see then what I am talking about.

All your trying to do is see if your testis work if doing a low dose of HCG

everyday works then you know something is wrong with your Pituitary and you need

to now see a Dr. to have it checked.

The following is how Dr. uses HCG he is one of the best Dr.'s out there for

men with low T levels.

================================================

AN UPDATE TO THE CRISLER HCG PROTOCOL

By Crisler, DO

In my paper “My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Menâ€,

published in A4M’s 2004/5 Anti-Aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new

protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly

added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily

cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows, along with

a new improvement I wish to share:

Any physician who administers TRT will, within the first few months of doing so,

field complaints from their patients because they are now experiencing troubling

testicular atrophy. Irrespective of the numerous and abundant benefits of TRT,

men never enjoy seeing their genitals shrinking! Testicular atrophy occurs

because the depressed LH level, secondary to the HPTA suppression TRT induces,

no longer supports them. It is well known that HCG—a Luteinizing Hormone (LH)

analog—will effectively, and dramatically, restore the testicles to previous

form and function. It accomplishes this due to shared moiety between the alpha

subunits of both hormones.

So, that satisfies an aesthetic consideration which should not be ignored. Now

let’s delve into the pharmacodynamics of the TRT medications. For those

employing injectable

testosterone cypionate, the cypionate ester provides a 5-8 day half-life,

depending upon the specific metabolism, activity level, and overall health of

the patient. It is now well-established that appropriate TRT using IM injections

must be dosed at weekly intervals, in order to avoid seating the patient on a

hormonal, and emotional, roller coaster. Adding in some HCG toward the end of

the weekly “cycle†compensates for the drop in serum androgen levels by the

half-life of the cypionate ester. Certainly the body thrives on regularity, and

supplementing the TRT with endogenous testosterone production at just the right

time—without inappropriately raising androgen OR estrogen (more on that

later)—approximates the excellent performance stability of transdermal

testosterone delivery systems for those who, for whatever reason or reasons,

prefer test cyp.

But there’s another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side

Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation

of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones,

glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by

LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of

lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve

to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more

raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition

of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural

balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or

even partially, HPTA-suppressed.

It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day.

There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is

wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly

stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels,

and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell

desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while

perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe,

dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT

patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp

injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective

reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that

regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their

HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their

IM shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as

necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

I made this change after realizing that the previous HCG protocol was boosting

serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise,

approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of

supporting serum androgen levels with HCG had overshot its mark.

Those TRT patients who prefer a transdermal testosterone, or even testosterone

pellets (although I am not in favor of same), take their HCG every third day.

They needn’t concern themselves with diminishing serum androgen levels from

their testosterone delivery system. These patients will, of course, notice an

increase in serum androgen levels above baseline.

While HCG, as sole TRT, is still considered treatment of choice for

hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism by many , my experience is that it just does not

bring the same subjective benefits as pure testosterone delivery systems

do—even when similar serum androgen levels are produced from comparable

baseline values. However, supplementing the more “traditional†TRT of

transdermal, or injected, testosterone with HCG stabilizes serum levels,

prevents testicular atrophy, helps rebalance expression of other hormones, and

brings reports of greatly increased sense of well-being and libido. My patients

absolutely love it. As time goes on, we are coming to appreciate HCG as a much

more powerful--and wonderful--hormone than previously given credit.

Copyright Crisler, DO 2004. This article may, in its entirety or in part,

be reprinted and republished without permission, provided that credit is given

to its author, with copyright notice and www.AllThingsMale.com clearly displayed

as source. Written permission from Dr. Crisler is required for all other uses.

Dr. Crisler may be reached at:

Doctor@...

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: uu1845@...

> <uu1845@...>

> > Subject: RE: pregnenolone for memory?

> >

> > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 7:02 PM

> > Ok and thanks. I am also afraid. I

> > will do a shot every third day of 24cc or 2.4cc. I

> hope my

> > testes get bigger without lowering my fsh, lh, test

> levels.

> > When I get on trt again, I will ask you which dose

> should I

> > be do while taking trt shots.

> >

> > Thank you for everything Phil-

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 5:34 PM

> > To:

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you. I took my second shot yesterday. Its amazing how more bac water than

HCG is still affective. If I can help you let me know.

RE: pregnenolone for memory?

> >

> > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 7:02 PM

> > Ok and thanks. I am also afraid. I

> > will do a shot every third day of 24cc or 2.4cc. I

> hope my

> > testes get bigger without lowering my fsh, lh, test

> levels.

> > When I get on trt again, I will ask you which dose

> should I

> > be do while taking trt shots.

> >

> > Thank you for everything Phil-

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 5:34 PM

> > To:

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you feel a feeling of well being about an hour after your shot if not you can

do them in your belly SubQ.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: uu1845@...

> > <uu1845@...>

> > > Subject: RE: pregnenolone for

> memory?

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 7:02 PM

> > > Ok and thanks. I am also afraid. I

> > > will do a shot every third day of 24cc or 2.4cc.

> I

> > hope my

> > > testes get bigger without lowering my fsh, lh,

> test

> > levels.

> > > When I get on trt again, I will ask you which

> dose

> > should I

> > > be do while taking trt shots.

> > >

> > > Thank you for everything Phil-

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

> > > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 5:34 PM

> > > To:

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Morning Phil, I honestly felt nothing. I tought maybe it takes about a month. Or

maybe its too muxh bac water. Feelings like this are new to me because I never

had them before.

RE: pregnenolone for memory?

>

>

> Once again your not reading me right don't talk to a Dr.

> about how to take the HCG you have this is nuts. The Dr. is

> going to think your self treating and not what to treat

> you.

>

> Look people all over the world use HCG to lose weight read

> about it in this l

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[Guest guest]

I am just saying you don't need to do the shot into your thigh you can do it

into your belly like people with high sugar.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: uu1845@...

> <uu1845@...>

> > Subject: RE: pregnenolone for memory?

> >

> > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 5:35 PM

> > Thank you. I took my second shot

> > yesterday. Its amazing how more bac water than HCG is

> still

> > affective. If I can help you let me know.

> >

> > RE: pregnenolone for memory?

> >

> >

> > Once again your not reading me right don't talk to a

> Dr.

> > about how to take the HCG you have this is nuts. The

> Dr. is

> > going to think your self treating and not what to

> treat

> > you.

> >

> > Look people all over the world use HCG to lose weight

> read

> > about it in this l

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Whatever route is the most effective I'll try. thanks

RE: pregnenolone for memory?

>

>

> Do you feel a feeling of well being about an hour after

> your shot if not you can do them in your belly SubQ.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> --- On Sun, 2/27/11, uu1845@yah

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