questions on switching from cytomel to erfa thyroid

[Guest guest]

Hey Group,

I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I feel much better, I also

feel that the cytomel is beating up my body as well. So, I was thinking

about switching to Erfa thyroid. How would I go about doing this? Any info

if greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

--

Mike

[Guest guest]

Mike, no doubt you got other replies as you also send this to the

NTHadrenals group, but there are guidelines here:

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/swapping.htm

I'd personally do the switch very slowly, but that's just me.

Some don't do so well with Erfa, which is why I'd move really slowly and

assess not only labs but symptoms and temps to make sure there's no decline.

I've heard multiple accounts of Erfa not working so well. I tried it for

part of my natural thyroid dose and thought it was strange and it felt like

it didn't last in my body for more than a couple hours. My dad moved from

old Armour to Erfa and only got part of the way switched over and went so

hypothyroid he ended up in bed as he was so tired. What was ironic was that

he'd actually added about 2 grains Erfa for every grain of Armour he removed

due to reports of issues with Erfa appearing on STTM and other places. No

hint of hyper of adrenal symptoms, so it wasn't overmedication; Erfa just

didn't work for him. One or two days fully back on his then dwindling supply

of old Armour and he was already bouncing back. Hmmm

He's still on the older Nature-Throid formula and that has been working fair

for him and he's now almost doing as well as he did on old Armour as he

takes an enzyme with the natural thyroid called Candex to dissolve the

cellulose. I take Candex with my new Nature-Throid and T3 and it works

better than without.

-Nigel

On 26 February 2011 12:56, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hey Group,

>

> I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I feel much better, I also

> feel that the cytomel is beating up my body as well. So, I was thinking

> about switching to Erfa thyroid. How would I go about doing this? Any info

> if greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

>

> --

> Mike

>

[Guest guest]

Nigel, I thought that rule only applies to the nth and rt3 group.

Completely different moderators on h2 and nth.

Thanks for the info. Ill mention that to my doc and see what he says.

Mike

On Mar 2, 2011 2:31 PM, " Nigel " <nachonigel@...> wrote:

Mike, no doubt you got other replies as you also send this to the

NTHadrenals group, but there are guidelines here:

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/swapping.htm

I'd personally do the switch very slowly, but that's just me.

Some don't do so well with Erfa, which is why I'd move really slowly and

assess not only labs but symptoms and temps to make sure there's no decline.

I've heard multiple accounts of Erfa not working so well. I tried it for

part of my natural thyroid dose and thought it was strange and it felt like

it didn't last in my body for more than a couple hours. My dad moved from

old Armour to Erfa and only got part of the way switched over and went so

hypothyroid he ended up in bed as he was so tired. What was ironic was that

he'd actually added about 2 grains Erfa for every grain of Armour he removed

due to reports of issues with Erfa appearing on STTM and other places. No

hint of hyper of adrenal symptoms, so it wasn't overmedication; Erfa just

didn't work for him. One or two days fully back on his then dwindling supply

of old Armour and he was already bouncing back. Hmmm

He's still on the older Nature-Throid formula and that has been working fair

for him and he's now almost doing as well as he did on old Armour as he

takes an enzyme with the natural thyroid called Candex to dissolve the

cellulose. I take Candex with my new Nature-Throid and T3 and it works

better than without.

-Nigel

On 26 February 2011 12:56, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...

>wrote:

>

>

> Hey Group,

>

> I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I feel much better, I also

> ...

[Guest guest]

Thyroid NP by Acella is a great dessicated thyroid product to try,it's new-- it

has NO CELLULOSE and tastes as sweet as the *old* Armour. I have used it almost

1 month now and have some symptoms resolving that have been resistant on the NT

and ERFA..EL

>

> >

> >

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I feel much better, I also

> > feel that the cytomel is beating up my body as well. So, I was thinking

> > about switching to Erfa thyroid. How would I go about doing this? Any info

> > if greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --

> > Mike

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea what rule you're referring to.

-Nigel

On 2 March 2011 16:20, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> wrote:

> Nigel, I thought that rule only applies to the nth and rt3 group.

> Completely different moderators on h2 and nth.

>

> Thanks for the info. Ill mention that to my doc and see what he says.

>

> Mike

>

> On Mar 2, 2011 2:31 PM, " Nigel " <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Mike, no doubt you got other replies as you also send this to the

> NTHadrenals group, but there are guidelines here:

>

>

>

> http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/swapping.htm

> I'd personally do the switch very slowly, but that's just me.

>

> Some don't do so well with Erfa, which is why I'd move really slowly and

> assess not only labs but symptoms and temps to make sure there's no

> decline.

>

> I've heard multiple accounts of Erfa not working so well. I tried it for

> part of my natural thyroid dose and thought it was strange and it felt like

> it didn't last in my body for more than a couple hours. My dad moved from

> old Armour to Erfa and only got part of the way switched over and went so

> hypothyroid he ended up in bed as he was so tired. What was ironic was that

> he'd actually added about 2 grains Erfa for every grain of Armour he

> removed

> due to reports of issues with Erfa appearing on STTM and other places. No

> hint of hyper of adrenal symptoms, so it wasn't overmedication; Erfa just

> didn't work for him. One or two days fully back on his then dwindling

> supply

> of old Armour and he was already bouncing back. Hmmm

>

> He's still on the older Nature-Throid formula and that has been working

> fair

> for him and he's now almost doing as well as he did on old Armour as he

> takes an enzyme with the natural thyroid called Candex to dissolve the

> cellulose. I take Candex with my new Nature-Throid and T3 and it works

> better than without.

>

> -Nigel

>

> On 26 February 2011 12:56, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...

> >wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I feel much better, I

> also

> > ...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow, thanks for the feedback. May I post your experience with NP Thyroid

over on RealThyroidHelp? Where do you get it from?

-Nigel

On 2 March 2011 18:58, mbmom123 <lathe30248@...> wrote:

>

>

> Thyroid NP by Acella is a great dessicated thyroid product to try,it's

> new-- it has NO CELLULOSE and tastes as sweet as the *old* Armour. I have

> used it almost 1 month now and have some symptoms resolving that have been

> resistant on the NT and ERFA..EL

>

[Guest guest]

My apologies. I wasn't able to look at the link you provided and I assumed

(which you know what happens when someone assume's something) you were

referring to the guidlines of not posting the same question on multiple

.

However, thanks for the link. I will follow that and see what happens.

Mike

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

>

> I have no idea what rule you're referring to.

>

> -Nigel

>

>

> On 2 March 2011 16:20, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...> wrote:

>

> > Nigel, I thought that rule only applies to the nth and rt3 group.

> > Completely different moderators on h2 and nth.

> >

> > Thanks for the info. Ill mention that to my doc and see what he says.

> >

> > Mike

> >

> > On Mar 2, 2011 2:31 PM, " Nigel " <nachonigel@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Mike, no doubt you got other replies as you also send this to the

> > NTHadrenals group, but there are guidelines here:

> >

> >

> >

> > http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/swapping.htm

> > I'd personally do the switch very slowly, but that's just me.

> >

> > Some don't do so well with Erfa, which is why I'd move really slowly and

> > assess not only labs but symptoms and temps to make sure there's no

> > decline.

> >

> > I've heard multiple accounts of Erfa not working so well. I tried it for

> > part of my natural thyroid dose and thought it was strange and it felt

> like

> > it didn't last in my body for more than a couple hours. My dad moved from

> > old Armour to Erfa and only got part of the way switched over and went so

> > hypothyroid he ended up in bed as he was so tired. What was ironic was

> that

> > he'd actually added about 2 grains Erfa for every grain of Armour he

> > removed

> > due to reports of issues with Erfa appearing on STTM and other places. No

> > hint of hyper of adrenal symptoms, so it wasn't overmedication; Erfa just

> > didn't work for him. One or two days fully back on his then dwindling

> > supply

> > of old Armour and he was already bouncing back. Hmmm

> >

> > He's still on the older Nature-Throid formula and that has been working

> > fair

> > for him and he's now almost doing as well as he did on old Armour as he

> > takes an enzyme with the natural thyroid called Candex to dissolve the

> > cellulose. I take Candex with my new Nature-Throid and T3 and it works

> > better than without.

> >

> > -Nigel

> >

> > On 26 February 2011 12:56, Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...

> > >wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey Group,

> > >

> > > I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I feel much better, I

> > also

> > > ...

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Nigel, yes of course you can. Acella's product is available at Walgreens in US

and any pharmacy can order from Cardinal Wholesale--you can also contact Acella

for other sources I am not currently aware of:

http://www.acellapharma.com/

What is interesting for me is that I have had brown patches on my elbows and

knees and *old* Armour was resolving those, they seemed to get worse on NT and

ERFA--now only have one patch on one knee left to go--EL

>

> >

> >

> > Thyroid NP by Acella is a great dessicated thyroid product to try,it's

> > new-- it has NO CELLULOSE and tastes as sweet as the *old* Armour. I have

> > used it almost 1 month now and have some symptoms resolving that have been

> > resistant on the NT and ERFA..EL

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I first started to treat my Adrenals and Thyroid it took me over a yr. to

get leveled off.

Only to have the Gov. pull the Armour off the market because they changed the

filler in it. This opened them up to having to do studies to prove to the FDA

it was safe. Armour was on the market long before there was an FDA so the FDA

could not make them do the Studies.

So here we are left hanging no meds to fed for what every we could get from the

other smaller labs making Nature-Thyroid formulas. It did not take long and

they could not keep up with the demand and we were left out in the cold.

The web sites and forums that were down on Synthroid now were telling people to

get it a T4 only med and add T3 to it.

Well I had to do this and most of the people on the thyroid forums did the same

thing.

Fast forward to when the New Armour came out them people went back on the new

Armour only to find the crap did not work.

I will never let this happen to me again I am on T4 only meds with T3 and feel

fine.

And the thing about all this it was not the big Drug Co.'s going after the

Nature-Thyroid formulas using the FDA to get rid of them. It was the lab that

made Armour.

I can't tell you all how many people are on T4 only meds with T3 doing fine.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > Hey Group,

> >

> > I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I feel

> much better, I also

> > feel that the cytomel is beating up my body as well.

> So, I was thinking

> > about switching to Erfa thyroid. How would I go about

> doing this? Any info

> > if greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > --

> > Mike

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that is the route I will go on. I've heard too many people complain

about every NTH product out there but I have yet to hear one person complain

about a T4/T3 synthetic combo.

THanks Phil,

Mike

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:13 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> When I first started to treat my Adrenals and Thyroid it took me over a yr.

> to get leveled off.

>

> Only to have the Gov. pull the Armour off the market because they changed

> the filler in it. This opened them up to having to do studies to prove to

> the FDA it was safe. Armour was on the market long before there was an FDA

> so the FDA could not make them do the Studies.

>

> So here we are left hanging no meds to fed for what every we could get from

> the other smaller labs making Nature-Thyroid formulas. It did not take long

> and they could not keep up with the demand and we were left out in the cold.

>

> The web sites and forums that were down on Synthroid now were telling

> people to get it a T4 only med and add T3 to it.

>

> Well I had to do this and most of the people on the thyroid forums did the

> same thing.

>

> Fast forward to when the New Armour came out them people went back on the

> new Armour only to find the crap did not work.

>

> I will never let this happen to me again I am on T4 only meds with T3 and

> feel fine.

>

> And the thing about all this it was not the big Drug Co.'s going after the

> Nature-Thyroid formulas using the FDA to get rid of them. It was the lab

> that made Armour.

>

> I can't tell you all how many people are on T4 only meds with T3 doing

> fine.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey Group,

> > >

> > > I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I feel

> > much better, I also

> > > feel that the cytomel is beating up my body as well.

> > So, I was thinking

> > > about switching to Erfa thyroid. How would I go about

> > doing this? Any info

> > > if greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Mike

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks EL,

This is great news for them people that don't want T4 with T3 like I do. I am

not ready to go back to NTH meds again.

Here is what I found.

http://thyroid.about.com/b/2010/12/13/acella-natural-desiccated-thyroid-armour.h\

tm

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <lathe30248@...>

> Subject: Re: questions on switching from cytomel to erfa

thyroid

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 7:58 PM

> Thyroid NP by Acella is a great

> dessicated thyroid product to try,it's new-- it has NO

> CELLULOSE and tastes as sweet as the *old* Armour. I have

> used it almost 1 month now and have  some symptoms

> resolving that have been resistant on the NT and ERFA..EL

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hey Group,

> > >

> > > I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and although I

> feel much better, I also

> > > feel that the cytomel is beating up my body as

> well. So, I was thinking

> > > about switching to Erfa thyroid. How would I go

> about doing this? Any info

> > > if greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Mike

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

And the thing I like about it is you don't drive your TSH into the ground the

bran needs TSH so it can make the Hormones it needs. You can micro manage your

dose your not stuck on trying to keep T4 and T3 up. If your T4 is good and T3

is low add more T3 If T3 is good and T4 is low add more T4 simple.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hey Group,

> > > >

> > > > I'm currently on 80 mcg of cytomel and

> although I feel

> > > much better, I also

> > > > feel that the cytomel is beating up my body

> as well.

> > > So, I was thinking

> > > > about switching to Erfa thyroid. How would I

> go about

> > > doing this? Any info

> > > > if greatly appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Im pretty sure dr m will wamt to go this route as well b/c u can micro

manage it.

On Mar 3, 2011 10:58 AM, " philip georgian " <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

And the thing I like about it is you don't drive your TSH into the ground

the bran needs TSH so it can make the Hormones it needs. You can micro

manage your dose your not stuck on trying to keep T4 and T3 up. If your T4

is good and T3 is low add more T3 If T3 is good and T4 is low add more T4

simple.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> Subject: Re: questions on switching from cytomel to erfa

thyroid

> hypogonadis...

> Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 11:13 AM

> I think that is the route I will go

> on. I've heard too many people complain

> about every NTH ...

> --

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I seen my wife suffer seeing Endo's for her Hashimoto thyroiditis going from one

to the other for over 15 yrs. They all had it half right putting her on just

Synthroid a T4 only med.

Then she seen my Dr. he put her on the old Armour with a little T3 she did great

until we could not get Armour anymore. So she is doing great on T4 with a

little T3. Yet every Endo she seen told her you can't take T3 only meds and

would offer her Prozac. And tell her to lose weight WTF is with them Endo's how

can a women lose weight being hypo on T4 only meds.

Dr. M is about the best you can find.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

>

>

> > Subject: Re: questions on switching

> from cytomel to erfa

> thyroid

> > hypogonadis...

> > Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 11:13 AM

>

>

> > I think that is the route I will go

> > on.  I've heard too many people complain

> > about every NTH ...

> > --

>

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It really makes sense to go that way. It seems that it is very much a crap

shoot with NTH these days and although I'm not a big fan of synthetic meds,

this way seems to be the only way to go.

I often wonder how much business the makers of Armour have lost since the

reformulation. I bet it's pretty significant. Makes you wonder why they

don't petition to the original formulation.

Mike

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> I seen my wife suffer seeing Endo's for her Hashimoto thyroiditis going

> from one to the other for over 15 yrs. They all had it half right putting

> her on just Synthroid a T4 only med.

>

> Then she seen my Dr. he put her on the old Armour with a little T3 she did

> great until we could not get Armour anymore. So she is doing great on T4

> with a little T3. Yet every Endo she seen told her you can't take T3 only

> meds and would offer her Prozac. And tell her to lose weight WTF is with

> them Endo's how can a women lose weight being hypo on T4 only meds.

>

> Dr. M is about the best you can find.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> >

> >

> > > Subject: Re: questions on switching

> > from cytomel to erfa

> > thyroid

> > > hypogonadis...

> > > Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 11:13 AM

> >

> >

> > > I think that is the route I will go

> > > on. I've heard too many people complain

> > > about every NTH ...

> > > --

> >

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It makes me think they can't use the original formulation because it will not

pass the FDA Gulidelines.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > > From: Rouse <michael.hugh.rouse@...>

> > >

> > >

> > > > Subject: Re: questions on

> switching

> > > from cytomel to erfa

> > > thyroid

> > > > hypogonadis...

> > > > Date: Thursday, March 3, 2011, 11:13 AM

> > >

> > >

> > > > I think that is the route I will go

> > > > on.  I've heard too many people

> complain

> > > > about every NTH ...

> > > > --

> > >

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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