Re: Sleep and Testosterone

[Guest guest]

I can't say I have read a lot of posts of men on TRT that found out they have

apnea. Never seen one told he has apnea treated it and got his T levels back

up.

But if I were you having been on TRT over 30 and knowing what a pain is the A**

it is I would hold off going on TRT to see if your levels come back up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: dbourgeo@... <dbourgeo@...>

> Subject: Sleep and Testosterone

>

> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 5:23 PM

> I posted earlier regarding my

> Testosterone profile. I have low Total T (below reference

> range), low Free T (below reference range), but Bioavailable

> T in the middle of the reference range).

>

> I'm reflecting on whether I should try out TRT (I have had

> all the other tests such as Prolactin and FSH, LH), but I

> was also wondering about the contribution of sleep apnea and

> sleep in general.

>

> Does anyone know if it is possible for mild to moderate (in

> my case, right on the border at 15 hypopneas per hour) sleep

> apnea and disturbed sleep (an extra 20-30 spontaneous

> arousals per hour) to mess your testosterone up to the point

> where it can register below the reference range for all men?

> I have read a few papers but they aren't very clear on the

> numbers. I did run across one where they ran army people

> through hell week with little to no sleep and way too much

> exercise and caused the Testosterone to drop by 90%, but I'm

> wondering about a more long-term thing. I know in Europe the

> official Endo guidelines say not to start TRT with people

> who have severe sleep apnea.

>

> I have been on a machine for a month now, and I'm doubting

> my severe symptoms could ever be fully attributed to sleep

> apnea (I know some guys with mild to severe sleep apnea at

> work, and they functioned better than me before being

> treated). Shouldn't my Testosterone be recovered relatively

> quickly (like the army people) after I got a few nights of

> good sleep?

>

> Anyone have any personal experience with this?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't say I have read a lot of posts of men on TRT that found out they have

apnea. Never seen one told he has apnea treated it and got his T levels back

up.

But if I were you having been on TRT over 30 and knowing what a pain is the A**

it is I would hold off going on TRT to see if your levels come back up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: dbourgeo@... <dbourgeo@...>

> Subject: Sleep and Testosterone

>

> Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 5:23 PM

> I posted earlier regarding my

> Testosterone profile. I have low Total T (below reference

> range), low Free T (below reference range), but Bioavailable

> T in the middle of the reference range).

>

> I'm reflecting on whether I should try out TRT (I have had

> all the other tests such as Prolactin and FSH, LH), but I

> was also wondering about the contribution of sleep apnea and

> sleep in general.

>

> Does anyone know if it is possible for mild to moderate (in

> my case, right on the border at 15 hypopneas per hour) sleep

> apnea and disturbed sleep (an extra 20-30 spontaneous

> arousals per hour) to mess your testosterone up to the point

> where it can register below the reference range for all men?

> I have read a few papers but they aren't very clear on the

> numbers. I did run across one where they ran army people

> through hell week with little to no sleep and way too much

> exercise and caused the Testosterone to drop by 90%, but I'm

> wondering about a more long-term thing. I know in Europe the

> official Endo guidelines say not to start TRT with people

> who have severe sleep apnea.

>

> I have been on a machine for a month now, and I'm doubting

> my severe symptoms could ever be fully attributed to sleep

> apnea (I know some guys with mild to severe sleep apnea at

> work, and they functioned better than me before being

> treated). Shouldn't my Testosterone be recovered relatively

> quickly (like the army people) after I got a few nights of

> good sleep?

>

> Anyone have any personal experience with this?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

identifying and correcting the underlying cause would be my firs approach. Sleep

apnea can also be from undiagnosed low thyroid and adrenal function. My next

point of attack you be to look at cellular thyroid function, adrenals as well as

factors that may inhibit then despite proper blood levels. As indicated your dr

may want to check ft3, ft4

total t4

reverse t3

tsh

estrodial

TBG

TPO

TGAB

cortisol saliva 24 hour

To rule these out.

>

> I posted earlier regarding my Testosterone profile. I have low Total T (below

reference range), low Free T (below reference range), but Bioavailable T in the

middle of the reference range).

>

> I'm reflecting on whether I should try out TRT (I have had all the other tests

such as Prolactin and FSH, LH), but I was also wondering about the contribution

of sleep apnea and sleep in general.

>

> Does anyone know if it is possible for mild to moderate (in my case, right on

the border at 15 hypopneas per hour) sleep apnea and disturbed sleep (an extra

20-30 spontaneous arousals per hour) to mess your testosterone up to the point

where it can register below the reference range for all men? I have read a few

papers but they aren't very clear on the numbers. I did run across one where

they ran army people through hell week with little to no sleep and way too much

exercise and caused the Testosterone to drop by 90%, but I'm wondering about a

more long-term thing. I know in Europe the official Endo guidelines say not to

start TRT with people who have severe sleep apnea.

>

> I have been on a machine for a month now, and I'm doubting my severe symptoms

could ever be fully attributed to sleep apnea (I know some guys with mild to

severe sleep apnea at work, and they functioned better than me before being

treated). Shouldn't my Testosterone be recovered relatively quickly (like the

army people) after I got a few nights of good sleep?

>

> Anyone have any personal experience with this?

>

[Guest guest]

Yes thanks I'll be looking into those tests as well!

> >

> > I posted earlier regarding my Testosterone profile. I have low Total T

(below reference range), low Free T (below reference range), but Bioavailable T

in the middle of the reference range).

> >

> > I'm reflecting on whether I should try out TRT (I have had all the other

tests such as Prolactin and FSH, LH), but I was also wondering about the

contribution of sleep apnea and sleep in general.

> >

> > Does anyone know if it is possible for mild to moderate (in my case, right

on the border at 15 hypopneas per hour) sleep apnea and disturbed sleep (an

extra 20-30 spontaneous arousals per hour) to mess your testosterone up to the

point where it can register below the reference range for all men? I have read a

few papers but they aren't very clear on the numbers. I did run across one where

they ran army people through hell week with little to no sleep and way too much

exercise and caused the Testosterone to drop by 90%, but I'm wondering about a

more long-term thing. I know in Europe the official Endo guidelines say not to

start TRT with people who have severe sleep apnea.

> >

> > I have been on a machine for a month now, and I'm doubting my severe

symptoms could ever be fully attributed to sleep apnea (I know some guys with

mild to severe sleep apnea at work, and they functioned better than me before

being treated). Shouldn't my Testosterone be recovered relatively quickly (like

the army people) after I got a few nights of good sleep?

> >

> > Anyone have any personal experience with this?

> >

>