Re: Tired of feeling hopeless.......

[Guest guest]

You had it going and took the T cream again even one day shut you off again.

Now you need to try to jump start your self again. Best to see your Family Dr.

tell him what you did to your self and see if he will work with Dr. over

the phone to get you jump started again.

www.allthingsmale.com

Or drive out to MI. or fly out to see him he only needs to see you once to test

and treat you. He is your best bet to not be on TRT for life.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Tired of feeling hopeless.......

>

> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:08 PM

>

> Hi Everyone. 

>

> Well, I started TRT in October 09.  I'm 26, and I had

> great natural levels of T, and was in the prime of my

> life.  I intended on cycling the test. cream I was

> prescribed and using Nolvadex to recover, but I ended up

> messing up my entire body.  I know I made a mistake,

> and must suffer the consequences, which I

> am.   I just don't have anyone to talk to

> about my problems and for a long time, I just feel

> hopeless.  The quality of my life has changed terribly

> and this is affecting me in every way possible social,

> school, work, etc. 

>

> Here is my story starting in 2009:

>

> August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%, 100mg daily.

> Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil

> hair, and libido is

> gone).

> October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily.

> October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily.

>

> Dec 15, 2009:  .25g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg.

>

> NATURAL BASELINES:

> Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09 = 792. (Range:

> 250-1100)

> Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09 = 1.89 (Range:

> 1.5-2.2)

> Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 = 149.7 (Range:

> 35.0-155.0)

> TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> 0.4-4.50)

> Total PSA: 04/01/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> LH: 04/01/09 = 3.7 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> IGF-1:  04/01/09 = 238 (Range: 126-382)

> DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09  413 (Range:  110-510)

>

>

> AFTER TRT & NOLVADEX: 

> Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 = 1106 (Range:

> 250-1100)

> Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09 = 2.01 (Range:

> 1.5-2.2)

> Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 = 222.3 (Range:

> 35.0-155.0)

> TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> 0.4-4.50)

> Total PSA: 10/14/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> LH: 10/14/09 = 10.9 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> IGF-1:  10/14/09 = 235 (Range: 126-382)

> DHEA Sulfate:  10/14/09 = 255 (Range:  110-510)

> FSH:  10/14/09 = 3.2 (Range:  1.6-8.0)

>

> Estradiol (I don't have a natural baseline):

> Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October 14 = 0.89

> Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52, October 14 = 2.33

> Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October 14 = 38

>

>

> I started feeling better by the end of November.  I

> never did feel 100% but E.D. was going away. 

>

> So I decided to visit and Endocrine Doctor and get some

> more lab work done. 

> Here are the test results:

> 11/25/09

> Free Test:  24.1, Range:  9.2-26.5

> Test. Serum:  770, Range: 280-800

> DHEA Sulfate: 150 LOW, Range: 280-640

> LH:  4.6, Range: 1.7-8.6

> FSH:  2.5, Range:  1.5-12.4

> Prolactin:  12.8,  Range:  4.0-15.2

> Estradiol:  29.1 Range:  7.6-42.6

>

> I believe I was on the road to full recovery, then I used

> the test cream for one day and stopped. 

>

> Since then, I've had some atrophy, E.D., depression, bags

> under my eyes, no energy, and no motivation.  I have

> never been through this type of depression, I feel like my

> life is hopeless. 

>

> I am awaiting some more blood work results...but I don't

> know what to do anymore. 

>

> Thx for your help everyone.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

THX Phil you are always there for everyone.

I am seriously considering seeing Dr . I'm going to wait for the new blood

work to come in first.

Any ideas on what happened to me.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Tired of feeling hopeless.......

>

> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:08 PM

>

> Hi Everyone. 

>

> Well, I started TRT in October 09.  I'm 26, and I had

> great natural levels of T, and was in the prime of my

> life.  I intended on cycling the test. cream I was

> prescribed and using Nolvadex to recover, but I ended up

> messing up my entire body.  I know I made a mistake,

> and must suffer the consequences, which I

> am.   I just don't have anyone to talk to

> about my problems and for a long time, I just feel

> hopeless.  The quality of my life has changed terribly

> and this is affecting me in every way possible social,

> school, work, etc. 

>

> Here is my story starting in 2009:

>

> August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%, 100mg daily.

> Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a lil

> hair, and libido is

> gone).

> October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily.

> October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream, 10%/100mg,

> daily.

>

> Dec 15, 2009:  .25g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg.

>

> NATURAL BASELINES:

> Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09 = 792. (Range:

> 250-1100)

> Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09 = 1.89 (Range:

> 1.5-2.2)

> Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 = 149.7 (Range:

> 35.0-155.0)

> TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> 0.4-4.50)

> Total PSA: 04/01/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> LH: 04/01/09 = 3.7 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> IGF-1:  04/01/09 = 238 (Range: 126-382)

> DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09  413 (Range:  110-510)

>

>

> AFTER TRT & NOLVADEX: 

> Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 = 1106 (Range:

> 250-1100)

> Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09 = 2.01 (Range:

> 1.5-2.2)

> Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 = 222.3 (Range:

> 35.0-155.0)

> TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> 0.4-4.50)

> Total PSA: 10/14/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> LH: 10/14/09 = 10.9 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> IGF-1:  10/14/09 = 235 (Range: 126-382)

> DHEA Sulfate:  10/14/09 = 255 (Range:  110-510)

> FSH:  10/14/09 = 3.2 (Range:  1.6-8.0)

>

> Estradiol (I don't have a natural baseline):

> Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October 14 = 0.89

> Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52, October 14 = 2.33

> Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October 14 = 38

>

>

> I started feeling better by the end of November.  I

> never did feel 100% but E.D. was going away. 

>

> So I decided to visit and Endocrine Doctor and get some

> more lab work done. 

> Here are the test results:

> 11/25/09

> Free Test:  24.1, Range:  9.2-26.5

> Test. Serum:  770, Range: 280-800

> DHEA Sulfate: 150 LOW, Range: 280-640

> LH:  4.6, Range: 1.7-8.6

> FSH:  2.5, Range:  1.5-12.4

> Prolactin:  12.8,  Range:  4.0-15.2

> Estradiol:  29.1 Range:  7.6-42.6

>

> I believe I was on the road to full recovery, then I used

> the test cream for one day and stopped. 

>

> Since then, I've had some atrophy, E.D., depression, bags

> under my eyes, no energy, and no motivation.  I have

> never been through this type of depression, I feel like my

> life is hopeless. 

>

> I am awaiting some more blood work results...but I don't

> know what to do anymore. 

>

> Thx for your help everyone.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your body came bad your levels went up and you did the T cream again and becaues

you were shut down before it shut down again as soon as it seen the added T in

your blood. It might start back up again on it's own give it a good 6 weeks see

how your labs look then if not good see Dr. .

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Tired of feeling

> hopeless.......

> >

> > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:08 PM

> >

> > Hi Everyone. 

> >

> > Well, I started TRT in October 09.  I'm 26, and I

> had

> > great natural levels of T, and was in the prime of my

> > life.  I intended on cycling the test. cream I was

> > prescribed and using Nolvadex to recover, but I ended

> up

> > messing up my entire body.  I know I made a mistake,

> > and must suffer the consequences, which I

> > am.   I just don't have anyone to talk to

> > about my problems and for a long time, I just feel

> > hopeless.  The quality of my life has changed

> terribly

> > and this is affecting me in every way possible

> social,

> > school, work, etc. 

> >

> > Here is my story starting in 2009:

> >

> > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a

> lil

> > hair, and libido is

> > gone).

> > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily.

> > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> 10%/100mg,

> > daily.

> >

> > Dec 15, 2009:  .25g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > 10%/100mg.

> >

> > NATURAL BASELINES:

> > Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09 = 792. (Range:

> > 250-1100)

> > Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09 = 1.89

> (Range:

> > 1.5-2.2)

> > Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 = 149.7 (Range:

> > 35.0-155.0)

> > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> > 0.4-4.50)

> > Total PSA: 04/01/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> > LH: 04/01/09 = 3.7 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > IGF-1:  04/01/09 = 238 (Range: 126-382)

> > DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09  413 (Range:  110-510)

> >

> >

> > AFTER TRT & NOLVADEX: 

> > Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 = 1106 (Range:

> > 250-1100)

> > Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09 = 2.01

> (Range:

> > 1.5-2.2)

> > Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 = 222.3 (Range:

> > 35.0-155.0)

> > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> > 0.4-4.50)

> > Total PSA: 10/14/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> > LH: 10/14/09 = 10.9 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > IGF-1:  10/14/09 = 235 (Range: 126-382)

> > DHEA Sulfate:  10/14/09 = 255 (Range:  110-510)

> > FSH:  10/14/09 = 3.2 (Range:  1.6-8.0)

> >

> > Estradiol (I don't have a natural baseline):

> > Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October 14 = 0.89

> > Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52, October 14 = 2.33

> > Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October 14 = 38

> >

> >

> > I started feeling better by the end of November.  I

> > never did feel 100% but E.D. was going away. 

> >

> > So I decided to visit and Endocrine Doctor and get

> some

> > more lab work done. 

> > Here are the test results:

> > 11/25/09

> > Free Test:  24.1, Range:  9.2-26.5

> > Test. Serum:  770, Range: 280-800

> > DHEA Sulfate: 150 LOW, Range: 280-640

> > LH:  4.6, Range: 1.7-8.6

> > FSH:  2.5, Range:  1.5-12.4

> > Prolactin:  12.8,  Range:  4.0-15.2

> > Estradiol:  29.1 Range:  7.6-42.6

> >

> > I believe I was on the road to full recovery, then I

> used

> > the test cream for one day and stopped. 

> >

> > Since then, I've had some atrophy, E.D., depression,

> bags

> > under my eyes, no energy, and no motivation.  I have

> > never been through this type of depression, I feel

> like my

> > life is hopeless. 

> >

> > I am awaiting some more blood work results...but I

> don't

> > know what to do anymore. 

> >

> > Thx for your help everyone.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'll post my new labs next Friday.

> >

> > > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > > Subject: Tired of feeling

> > hopeless.......

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > >

> > > Hi Everyone. 

> > >

> > > Well, I started TRT in October 09.  I'm 26, and I

> > had

> > > great natural levels of T, and was in the prime of my

> > > life.  I intended on cycling the test. cream I was

> > > prescribed and using Nolvadex to recover, but I ended

> > up

> > > messing up my entire body.  I know I made a mistake,

> > > and must suffer the consequences, which I

> > > am.   I just don't have anyone to talk to

> > > about my problems and for a long time, I just feel

> > > hopeless.  The quality of my life has changed

> > terribly

> > > and this is affecting me in every way possible

> > social,

> > > school, work, etc. 

> > >

> > > Here is my story starting in 2009:

> > >

> > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal

> > Cream,

> > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a

> > lil

> > > hair, and libido is

> > > gone).

> > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > 10%/100mg,

> > > daily.

> > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > 10%/100mg,

> > > daily.

> > >

> > > Dec 15, 2009:  .25g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > > 10%/100mg.

> > >

> > > NATURAL BASELINES:

> > > Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09 = 792. (Range:

> > > 250-1100)

> > > Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09 = 1.89

> > (Range:

> > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 = 149.7 (Range:

> > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > Total PSA: 04/01/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> > > LH: 04/01/09 = 3.7 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > > IGF-1:  04/01/09 = 238 (Range: 126-382)

> > > DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09  413 (Range:  110-510)

> > >

> > >

> > > AFTER TRT & NOLVADEX: 

> > > Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 = 1106 (Range:

> > > 250-1100)

> > > Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09 = 2.01

> > (Range:

> > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 = 222.3 (Range:

> > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > Total PSA: 10/14/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> > > LH: 10/14/09 = 10.9 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > > IGF-1:  10/14/09 = 235 (Range: 126-382)

> > > DHEA Sulfate:  10/14/09 = 255 (Range:  110-510)

> > > FSH:  10/14/09 = 3.2 (Range:  1.6-8.0)

> > >

> > > Estradiol (I don't have a natural baseline):

> > > Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October 14 = 0.89

> > > Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52, October 14 = 2.33

> > > Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October 14 = 38

> > >

> > >

> > > I started feeling better by the end of November.  I

> > > never did feel 100% but E.D. was going away. 

> > >

> > > So I decided to visit and Endocrine Doctor and get

> > some

> > > more lab work done. 

> > > Here are the test results:

> > > 11/25/09

> > > Free Test:  24.1, Range:  9.2-26.5

> > > Test. Serum:  770, Range: 280-800

> > > DHEA Sulfate: 150 LOW, Range: 280-640

> > > LH:  4.6, Range: 1.7-8.6

> > > FSH:  2.5, Range:  1.5-12.4

> > > Prolactin:  12.8,  Range:  4.0-15.2

> > > Estradiol:  29.1 Range:  7.6-42.6

> > >

> > > I believe I was on the road to full recovery, then I

> > used

> > > the test cream for one day and stopped. 

> > >

> > > Since then, I've had some atrophy, E.D., depression,

> > bags

> > > under my eyes, no energy, and no motivation.  I have

> > > never been through this type of depression, I feel

> > like my

> > > life is hopeless. 

> > >

> > > I am awaiting some more blood work results...but I

> > don't

> > > know what to do anymore. 

> > >

> > > Thx for your help everyone.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hey everyone,

I wanted to update everyone on my condition.

I decided to take Phil's advice, I am going to tell everything to my General

Doc. I also made an appointment with an Urologist. I had some testicular pain

in December, and it appears my right testicle is swollen at times. I don't know

if this is related or not, but I thought being safe is better than being sorry.

I'll post my new labs up ASAP.

I had an observation, I'd like to share and maybe get some feedback. Throughout

this ordeal, my test levels have managed to stay high sans TRT (not sure about

now, will have to wait for new labs). Yet I am now experiencing the signs of

hypogonadism.

Maybe, it just took this long for the full effects of my actions to become

evident. I know taking the test cream for one day didn't help and I did go

downhill from there.

Thx again for all your feedback especially you Phil, you have been here for me

since the beginning.

Marc

> > >

> > > > From: Marc M <MisterX225@>

> > > > Subject: Tired of feeling

> > > hopeless.......

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:08 PM

> > > >

> > > > Hi Everyone. 

> > > >

> > > > Well, I started TRT in October 09.  I'm 26, and I

> > > had

> > > > great natural levels of T, and was in the prime of my

> > > > life.  I intended on cycling the test. cream I was

> > > > prescribed and using Nolvadex to recover, but I ended

> > > up

> > > > messing up my entire body.  I know I made a mistake,

> > > > and must suffer the consequences, which I

> > > > am.   I just don't have anyone to talk to

> > > > about my problems and for a long time, I just feel

> > > > hopeless.  The quality of my life has changed

> > > terribly

> > > > and this is affecting me in every way possible

> > > social,

> > > > school, work, etc. 

> > > >

> > > > Here is my story starting in 2009:

> > > >

> > > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram, Testosterone Liposomal

> > > Cream,

> > > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily (lost weight, a

> > > lil

> > > > hair, and libido is

> > > > gone).

> > > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > daily.

> > > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > daily.

> > > >

> > > > Dec 15, 2009:  .25g Testosterone Liposomal Cream,

> > > > 10%/100mg.

> > > >

> > > > NATURAL BASELINES:

> > > > Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09 = 792. (Range:

> > > > 250-1100)

> > > > Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09 = 1.89

> > > (Range:

> > > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > > Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 = 149.7 (Range:

> > > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> > > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > > Total PSA: 04/01/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> > > > LH: 04/01/09 = 3.7 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > > > IGF-1:  04/01/09 = 238 (Range: 126-382)

> > > > DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09  413 (Range:  110-510)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > AFTER TRT & NOLVADEX: 

> > > > Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 = 1106 (Range:

> > > > 250-1100)

> > > > Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09 = 2.01

> > > (Range:

> > > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > > Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 = 222.3 (Range:

> > > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82 (Range: 

> > > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > > Total PSA: 10/14/09 = 0.3 (Range: < or =4.0)

> > > > LH: 10/14/09 = 10.9 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > > > IGF-1:  10/14/09 = 235 (Range: 126-382)

> > > > DHEA Sulfate:  10/14/09 = 255 (Range:  110-510)

> > > > FSH:  10/14/09 = 3.2 (Range:  1.6-8.0)

> > > >

> > > > Estradiol (I don't have a natural baseline):

> > > > Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October 14 = 0.89

> > > > Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52, October 14 = 2.33

> > > > Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October 14 = 38

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I started feeling better by the end of November.  I

> > > > never did feel 100% but E.D. was going away. 

> > > >

> > > > So I decided to visit and Endocrine Doctor and get

> > > some

> > > > more lab work done. 

> > > > Here are the test results:

> > > > 11/25/09

> > > > Free Test:  24.1, Range:  9.2-26.5

> > > > Test. Serum:  770, Range: 280-800

> > > > DHEA Sulfate: 150 LOW, Range: 280-640

> > > > LH:  4.6, Range: 1.7-8.6

> > > > FSH:  2.5, Range:  1.5-12.4

> > > > Prolactin:  12.8,  Range:  4.0-15.2

> > > > Estradiol:  29.1 Range:  7.6-42.6

> > > >

> > > > I believe I was on the road to full recovery, then I

> > > used

> > > > the test cream for one day and stopped. 

> > > >

> > > > Since then, I've had some atrophy, E.D., depression,

> > > bags

> > > > under my eyes, no energy, and no motivation.  I have

> > > > never been through this type of depression, I feel

> > > like my

> > > > life is hopeless. 

> > > >

> > > > I am awaiting some more blood work results...but I

> > > don't

> > > > know what to do anymore. 

> > > >

> > > > Thx for your help everyone.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Any time you add Testosterone to your body your brain sees this and stops

sending LH and FSH messages to the testis so your levels fall. I hope they will

come back on and start getting the messages again. They did before so just take

it easy and lets see how time helps you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Tired of feeling hopeless.......

>

> Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 1:35 PM

>

> Hey everyone,

>

> I wanted to update everyone on my condition.

>

> I decided to take Phil's advice, I am going to tell

> everything to my General Doc.  I also made an

> appointment with an Urologist.  I had some testicular

> pain in December, and it appears my right testicle is

> swollen at times.  I don't know if this is related or

> not, but I thought being safe is better than being

> sorry. 

>

> I'll post my new labs up ASAP. 

>

> I had an observation, I'd like to share and maybe get some

> feedback. Throughout this ordeal, my test levels have

> managed to stay high sans TRT (not sure about now, will have

> to wait for new labs).  Yet I am now experiencing the

> signs of hypogonadism. 

>

> Maybe, it just took this long for the full effects of my

> actions to become evident.  I know taking the test

> cream for one day didn't help and I did go downhill from

> there. 

>

> Thx again for all your feedback especially you Phil, you

> have been here for me since the beginning. 

>

> Marc

>

>  

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: Marc M <MisterX225@>

> > > > > Subject: Tired of

> feeling

> > > > hopeless.......

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:08

> PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Everyone. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, I started TRT in October 09. 

> I'm 26, and I

> > > > had

> > > > > great natural levels of T, and was in

> the prime of my

> > > > > life.  I intended on cycling the test.

> cream I was

> > > > > prescribed and using Nolvadex to

> recover, but I ended

> > > > up

> > > > > messing up my entire body.  I know I

> made a mistake,

> > > > > and must suffer the consequences, which

> I

> > > > > am.   I just don't have anyone to

> talk to

> > > > > about my problems and for a long time,

> I just feel

> > > > > hopeless.  The quality of my life has

> changed

> > > > terribly

> > > > > and this is affecting me in every way

> possible

> > > > social,

> > > > > school, work, etc. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is my story starting in 2009:

> > > > >

> > > > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram,

> Testosterone Liposomal

> > > > Cream,

> > > > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > > > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily

> (lost weight, a

> > > > lil

> > > > > hair, and libido is

> > > > > gone).

> > > > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > > daily.

> > > > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > > > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > > daily.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dec 15, 2009:  .25g Testosterone

> Liposomal Cream,

> > > > > 10%/100mg.

> > > > >

> > > > > NATURAL BASELINES:

> > > > > Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09

> = 792. (Range:

> > > > > 250-1100)

> > > > > Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09

> = 1.89

> > > > (Range:

> > > > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > > > Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 =

> 149.7 (Range:

> > > > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82

> (Range: 

> > > > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > > > Total PSA: 04/01/09 = 0.3 (Range: <

> or =4.0)

> > > > > LH: 04/01/09 = 3.7 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > > > > IGF-1:  04/01/09 = 238 (Range:

> 126-382)

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09  413 (Range: 

> 110-510)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > AFTER TRT & NOLVADEX: 

> > > > > Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 =

> 1106 (Range:

> > > > > 250-1100)

> > > > > Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09

> = 2.01

> > > > (Range:

> > > > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > > > Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 =

> 222.3 (Range:

> > > > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82

> (Range: 

> > > > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > > > Total PSA: 10/14/09 = 0.3 (Range: <

> or =4.0)

> > > > > LH: 10/14/09 = 10.9 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > > > > IGF-1:  10/14/09 = 235 (Range:

> 126-382)

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  10/14/09 = 255

> (Range:  110-510)

> > > > > FSH:  10/14/09 = 3.2 (Range: 

> 1.6-8.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > Estradiol (I don't have a natural

> baseline):

> > > > > Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October

> 14 = 0.89

> > > > > Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52,

> October 14 = 2.33

> > > > > Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October

> 14 = 38

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I started feeling better by the end of

> November.  I

> > > > > never did feel 100% but E.D. was going

> away. 

> > > > >

> > > > > So I decided to visit and Endocrine

> Doctor and get

> > > > some

> > > > > more lab work done. 

> > > > > Here are the test results:

> > > > > 11/25/09

> > > > > Free Test:  24.1, Range:  9.2-26.5

> > > > > Test. Serum:  770, Range: 280-800

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 150 LOW, Range: 280-640

> > > > > LH:  4.6, Range: 1.7-8.6

> > > > > FSH:  2.5, Range:  1.5-12.4

> > > > > Prolactin:  12.8,  Range:  4.0-15.2

> > > > > Estradiol:  29.1 Range:  7.6-42.6

> > > > >

> > > > > I believe I was on the road to full

> recovery, then I

> > > > used

> > > > > the test cream for one day and

> stopped. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Since then, I've had some atrophy,

> E.D., depression,

> > > > bags

> > > > > under my eyes, no energy, and no

> motivation.  I have

> > > > > never been through this type of

> depression, I feel

> > > > like my

> > > > > life is hopeless. 

> > > > >

> > > > > I am awaiting some more blood work

> results...but I

> > > > don't

> > > > > know what to do anymore. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Thx for your help everyone.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I realize that. I do wonder if taking the Nolvadex helped me recover the first

time. But I'm not taking anything this time. I don't want to self medicate.

I am going to be patient. I don't want to be on TRT for ever unless I have no

other option.

So as time goes by we will see what happens.

Should I refrain from masturbating and drinking? I believe this will lower my T

levels. But I thought masturbating might help tell my HPTA to kick in.

Anything else I should do? I take vitamins, red yeast rice.

THX

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Tired of

> feeling

> > > > hopeless.......

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:08

> PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Everyone. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, I started TRT in October 09. 

> I'm 26, and I

> > > > had

> > > > > great natural levels of T, and was in

> the prime of my

> > > > > life.  I intended on cycling the test.

> cream I was

> > > > > prescribed and using Nolvadex to

> recover, but I ended

> > > > up

> > > > > messing up my entire body.  I know I

> made a mistake,

> > > > > and must suffer the consequences, which

> I

> > > > > am.   I just don't have anyone to

> talk to

> > > > > about my problems and for a long time,

> I just feel

> > > > > hopeless.  The quality of my life has

> changed

> > > > terribly

> > > > > and this is affecting me in every way

> possible

> > > > social,

> > > > > school, work, etc. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is my story starting in 2009:

> > > > >

> > > > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram,

> Testosterone Liposomal

> > > > Cream,

> > > > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > > > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg daily

> (lost weight, a

> > > > lil

> > > > > hair, and libido is

> > > > > gone).

> > > > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > > daily.

> > > > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty: 1

> > > > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone Liposomal

> Cream,

> > > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > > daily.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dec 15, 2009:  .25g Testosterone

> Liposomal Cream,

> > > > > 10%/100mg.

> > > > >

> > > > > NATURAL BASELINES:

> > > > > Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068, 07/10/09

> = 792. (Range:

> > > > > 250-1100)

> > > > > Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09, 07/10/09

> = 1.89

> > > > (Range:

> > > > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > > > Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2, 07/10/09 =

> 149.7 (Range:

> > > > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82

> (Range: 

> > > > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > > > Total PSA: 04/01/09 = 0.3 (Range: <

> or =4.0)

> > > > > LH: 04/01/09 = 3.7 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > > > > IGF-1:  04/01/09 = 238 (Range:

> 126-382)

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09  413 (Range: 

> 110-510)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > AFTER TRT & NOLVADEX: 

> > > > > Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989, 10/14/09 =

> 1106 (Range:

> > > > > 250-1100)

> > > > > Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08, 10/14/09

> = 2.01

> > > > (Range:

> > > > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > > > Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7, 10/14/09 =

> 222.3 (Range:

> > > > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 = 2.82

> (Range: 

> > > > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > > > Total PSA: 10/14/09 = 0.3 (Range: <

> or =4.0)

> > > > > LH: 10/14/09 = 10.9 (Range:  1.5-9.3)

> > > > > IGF-1:  10/14/09 = 235 (Range:

> 126-382)

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  10/14/09 = 255

> (Range:  110-510)

> > > > > FSH:  10/14/09 = 3.2 (Range: 

> 1.6-8.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > Estradiol (I don't have a natural

> baseline):

> > > > > Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83, October

> 14 = 0.89

> > > > > Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52,

> October 14 = 2.33

> > > > > Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33, October

> 14 = 38

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I started feeling better by the end of

> November.  I

> > > > > never did feel 100% but E.D. was going

> away. 

> > > > >

> > > > > So I decided to visit and Endocrine

> Doctor and get

> > > > some

> > > > > more lab work done. 

> > > > > Here are the test results:

> > > > > 11/25/09

> > > > > Free Test:  24.1, Range:  9.2-26.5

> > > > > Test. Serum:  770, Range: 280-800

> > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 150 LOW, Range: 280-640

> > > > > LH:  4.6, Range: 1.7-8.6

> > > > > FSH:  2.5, Range:  1.5-12.4

> > > > > Prolactin:  12.8,  Range:  4.0-15.2

> > > > > Estradiol:  29.1 Range:  7.6-42.6

> > > > >

> > > > > I believe I was on the road to full

> recovery, then I

> > > > used

> > > > > the test cream for one day and

> stopped. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Since then, I've had some atrophy,

> E.D., depression,

> > > > bags

> > > > > under my eyes, no energy, and no

> motivation.  I have

> > > > > never been through this type of

> depression, I feel

> > > > like my

> > > > > life is hopeless. 

> > > > >

> > > > > I am awaiting some more blood work

> results...but I

> > > > don't

> > > > > know what to do anymore. 

> > > > >

> > > > > Thx for your help everyone.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Just do every think you normally do you will be fine just don't over do

anything.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Marc M <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Re: Tired of feeling

> hopeless.......

> >

> > Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 1:35 PM

> >

> > Hey everyone,

> >

> > I wanted to update everyone on my condition.

> >

> > I decided to take Phil's advice, I am going to tell

> > everything to my General Doc.  I also made an

> > appointment with an Urologist.  I had some

> testicular

> > pain in December, and it appears my right testicle is

> > swollen at times.  I don't know if this is related

> or

> > not, but I thought being safe is better than being

> > sorry. 

> >

> > I'll post my new labs up ASAP. 

> >

> > I had an observation, I'd like to share and maybe get

> some

> > feedback. Throughout this ordeal, my test levels have

> > managed to stay high sans TRT (not sure about now,

> will have

> > to wait for new labs).  Yet I am now experiencing

> the

> > signs of hypogonadism. 

> >

> > Maybe, it just took this long for the full effects of

> my

> > actions to become evident.  I know taking the test

> > cream for one day didn't help and I did go downhill

> from

> > there. 

> >

> > Thx again for all your feedback especially you Phil,

> you

> > have been here for me since the beginning. 

> >

> > Marc

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: Marc M <MisterX225@>

> > > > > > Subject: Tired of

> > feeling

> > > > > hopeless.......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010,

> 3:08

> > PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Everyone. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, I started TRT in October

> 09. 

> > I'm 26, and I

> > > > > had

> > > > > > great natural levels of T, and was

> in

> > the prime of my

> > > > > > life.  I intended on cycling the

> test.

> > cream I was

> > > > > > prescribed and using Nolvadex to

> > recover, but I ended

> > > > > up

> > > > > > messing up my entire body.  I

> know I

> > made a mistake,

> > > > > > and must suffer the consequences,

> which

> > I

> > > > > > am.   I just don't have anyone

> to

> > talk to

> > > > > > about my problems and for a long

> time,

> > I just feel

> > > > > > hopeless.  The quality of my life

> has

> > changed

> > > > > terribly

> > > > > > and this is affecting me in every

> way

> > possible

> > > > > social,

> > > > > > school, work, etc. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is my story starting in

> 2009:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > August 19th-Sept8th, 1 Gram,

> > Testosterone Liposomal

> > > > > Cream,

> > > > > > 10%, 100mg daily.

> > > > > > Sept8-Sept 21, Nolvadex-D, 20mg

> daily

> > (lost weight, a

> > > > > lil

> > > > > > hair, and libido is

> > > > > > gone).

> > > > > > October 2-8, 1g Testosterone

> Liposomal

> > Cream,

> > > > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > > > daily.

> > > > > > October 6, Nolvadex-D 20mg, qty:

> 1

> > > > > > October 8-10, 2g Testosterone

> Liposomal

> > Cream,

> > > > > 10%/100mg,

> > > > > > daily.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dec 15, 2009:  .25g Testosterone

> > Liposomal Cream,

> > > > > > 10%/100mg.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NATURAL BASELINES:

> > > > > > Test, Total: 04/01/09 = 1068,

> 07/10/09

> > = 792. (Range:

> > > > > > 250-1100)

> > > > > > Test, Free %: 04/01/09 = 2.09,

> 07/10/09

> > = 1.89

> > > > > (Range:

> > > > > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > > > > Free Test: 04/01/09 = 223.2,

> 07/10/09 =

> > 149.7 (Range:

> > > > > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > > > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 =

> 2.82

> > (Range: 

> > > > > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > > > > Total PSA: 04/01/09 = 0.3 (Range:

> <

> > or =4.0)

> > > > > > LH: 04/01/09 = 3.7 (Range: 

> 1.5-9.3)

> > > > > > IGF-1:  04/01/09 = 238 (Range:

> > 126-382)

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 04/01/09  413

> (Range: 

> > 110-510)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AFTER TRT & NOLVADEX: 

> > > > > > Test, Total: 09/25/09 = 989,

> 10/14/09 =

> > 1106 (Range:

> > > > > > 250-1100)

> > > > > > Test, Free %: 09/25/09 = 2.08,

> 10/14/09

> > = 2.01

> > > > > (Range:

> > > > > > 1.5-2.2)

> > > > > > Free Test: 09/25/09 = 205.7,

> 10/14/09 =

> > 222.3 (Range:

> > > > > > 35.0-155.0)

> > > > > > TSH w/ reflex FT4:  04/01/09 =

> 2.82

> > (Range: 

> > > > > > 0.4-4.50)

> > > > > > Total PSA: 10/14/09 = 0.3 (Range:

> <

> > or =4.0)

> > > > > > LH: 10/14/09 = 10.9 (Range: 

> 1.5-9.3)

> > > > > > IGF-1:  10/14/09 = 235 (Range:

> > 126-382)

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate:  10/14/09 = 255

> > (Range:  110-510)

> > > > > > FSH:  10/14/09 = 3.2 (Range: 

> > 1.6-8.0)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Estradiol (I don't have a natural

> > baseline):

> > > > > > Estradiol Free: Sept 25 = 0.83,

> October

> > 14 = 0.89

> > > > > > Estradiol, Free %: Sept 25=2.52,

> > October 14 = 2.33

> > > > > > Estradiol, PG/ML: Sept 25=33,

> October

> > 14 = 38

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I started feeling better by the

> end of

> > November.  I

> > > > > > never did feel 100% but E.D. was

> going

> > away. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I decided to visit and

> Endocrine

> > Doctor and get

> > > > > some

> > > > > > more lab work done. 

> > > > > > Here are the test results:

> > > > > > 11/25/09

> > > > > > Free Test:  24.1, Range: 

> 9.2-26.5

> > > > > > Test. Serum:  770, Range:

> 280-800

> > > > > > DHEA Sulfate: 150 LOW, Range:

> 280-640

> > > > > > LH:  4.6, Range: 1.7-8.6

> > > > > > FSH:  2.5, Range:  1.5-12.4

> > > > > > Prolactin:  12.8,  Range: 

> 4.0-15.2

> > > > > > Estradiol:  29.1 Range: 

> 7.6-42.6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I believe I was on the road to

> full

> > recovery, then I

> > > > > used

> > > > > > the test cream for one day and

> > stopped. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since then, I've had some

> atrophy,

> > E.D., depression,

> > > > > bags

> > > > > > under my eyes, no energy, and no

> > motivation.  I have

> > > > > > never been through this type of

> > depression, I feel

> > > > > like my

> > > > > > life is hopeless. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am awaiting some more blood

> work

> > results...but I

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > know what to do anymore. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thx for your help everyone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >