Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Ed you say you started on Arimidex and you want to know if DHEA will up your Testosterone. Are you on TRT did you have your Estradiol levels check and find them high. If you did not you can go to low very fast. Men can get low T from high Estradiol and taking Arimidex to bring Estradiol levels down can bring up Total T levels some 200 to 300 points if they are not on TRT. DHEA will not up your T levels and if you don't need it it will make Estradiol levels go higher. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Question about DHEA > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 PM > Does this help increase T? My T is > low @ 382. I started Arimidex last Wednesday, and have not > really started to feel any libido yet. I know it takes some > time. Just wondering if this might help out with the T. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 So is 7 keto a better solution over DHEA??? Question about DHEA > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 PM > Does this help increase T? My T is > low @ 382. I started Arimidex last Wednesday, and have not > really started to feel any libido yet. I know it takes some > time. Just wondering if this might help out with the T. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Phil, I am not on TRT. I am guessing my E2 is high as this was not tested. My doctor told me that my T level of 382 was ok, and saw no need for TRT. I did not know about E2 at the time though. That was about 6 weeks ago. I have the symptoms of high E2, no libido, and ED. I am 30 lbs overweight, and I could have more aromatase enzymes to convert my T to E2. I don't think I have come down low enough with the E2, as I have not experienced improvement in libido. I did have some pretty good stiff wood this morning, so maybe it's getting there. I have been taking .5mg of Arimidex since last Friday. If my E2 level was erratic, this would explain why Viagra worked 6 months ago, then it stopped, then it started again, and now it is not working at present. I am somewhat depressed too, so isn't this a symptom as well. > > > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > > Subject: Question about DHEA > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 PM > > Does this help increase T? My T is > > low @ 382. I started Arimidex last Wednesday, and have not > > really started to feel any libido yet. I know it takes some > > time. Just wondering if this might help out with the T. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I just realized that I did not state the interval of .5mg of Arimidex. It has been every day since last Friday. I also have been working out pretty good the last couple of weeks. > > > > > From: ed <edhill_2006@> > > > Subject: Question about DHEA > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 PM > > > Does this help increase T? My T is > > > low @ 382. I started Arimidex last Wednesday, and have not > > > really started to feel any libido yet. I know it takes some > > > time. Just wondering if this might help out with the T. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 I was on it for yrs never felt better on it and labs never went up I feel this was made for women to keep the DHEA from converting into Testosterone in men DHEA converts into Estradiol. Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > > Subject: Question about DHEA > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 PM > > Does this help increase T? My T is > > low @ 382. I started Arimidex last Wednesday, and have > not > > really started to feel any libido yet. I know it takes > some > > time. Just wondering if this might help out with the > T. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Ok Ed now just follow what I say in this cut and past about going to low on this do you feel better your T levels can come up doing this. =================================================== How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Re: Question about DHEA > > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:15 AM > > Phil, I am not on TRT. I am guessing my E2 is high as this > was not tested. My doctor told me that my T level of 382 was > ok, and saw no need for TRT. I did not know about E2 at the > time though. That was about 6 weeks ago. I have the symptoms > of high E2, no libido, and ED. I am 30 lbs overweight, and I > could have more aromatase enzymes to convert my T to E2. I > don't think I have come down low enough with the E2, as I > have not experienced improvement in libido. I did have some > pretty good stiff wood this morning, so maybe it's getting > there. I have been taking .5mg of Arimidex since last > Friday. If my E2 level was erratic, this would explain why > Viagra worked 6 months ago, then it stopped, then it started > again, and now it is not working at present. I am somewhat > depressed too, so isn't this a symptom as well. > > > > > > > > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > > > Subject: Question about DHEA > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 PM > > > Does this help increase T? My T is > > > low @ 382. I started Arimidex last Wednesday, and > have not > > > really started to feel any libido yet. I know it > takes some > > > time. Just wondering if this might help out with > the T. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Your best gage is your wood if you don't think you had it the night before see if you can get it up before getting out of bed in the morning and see that it is good and hard if not your going to low. This is when you would stop the Arimidex until your wood comes back then that day because estradiol will rebound fast go back on Arimidex but take .25 mgs every 2 days. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Re: Question about DHEA > > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:23 AM > I just realized that I did not state > the interval of .5mg of Arimidex. It has been every day > since last Friday. I also have been working out pretty good > the last couple of weeks. > > > > > > > > > From: ed <edhill_2006@> > > > > Subject: Question about DHEA > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 PM > > > > Does this help increase T? My T is > > > > low @ 382. I started Arimidex last > Wednesday, and have not > > > > really started to feel any libido yet. I > know it takes some > > > > time. Just wondering if this might help out > with the T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Like I said Phil, I had pretty good wood this morning, actually woke up from it. It did not last a long time though. If this happened, I am guessing I couldn't be too low, no? > > > > > > > > > From: ed <edhill_2006@> > > > > > Subject: Question about DHEA > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 PM > > > > > Does this help increase T? My T is > > > > > low @ 382. I started Arimidex last > > Wednesday, and have not > > > > > really started to feel any libido yet. I > > know it takes some > > > > > time. Just wondering if this might help out > > with the T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 With morning wood it dose not last long after I get up but if I lay there it will stay up a longer time. No I don't feel your going down to low but it can happen. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Re: Question about DHEA > > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 3:21 PM > > Like I said Phil, I had pretty good wood this morning, > actually woke up from it. It did not last a long time > though. If this happened, I am guessing I couldn't be too > low, no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ed <edhill_2006@> > > > > > > Subject: Question > about DHEA > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 > PM > > > > > > Does this help increase T? My T > is > > > > > > low @ 382. I started Arimidex > last > > > Wednesday, and have not > > > > > > really started to feel any libido > yet. I > > > know it takes some > > > > > > time. Just wondering if this might > help out > > > with the T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 One more question and I won't bother you again. Do you think I should stay at this dose until I start to feel it? That is .5mg every day. I have been on Arimidex for a week now. But the first two days I took .25mg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ed <edhill_2006@> > > > > > > > Subject: Question > > about DHEA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 8:27 > > PM > > > > > > > Does this help increase T? My T > > is > > > > > > > low @ 382. I started Arimidex > > last > > > > Wednesday, and have not > > > > > > > really started to feel any libido > > yet. I > > > > know it takes some > > > > > > > time. Just wondering if this might > > help out > > > > with the T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2010 Report Share Posted June 16, 2010 Ed, Not everybody is the same but what I have discovered is when my E2 is high I start feeling very emotional. It's like every little thing happy or sad makes me want to cry like a girl. Figure of speech, no offence to the women here. Anyway this is a lot of what I was calling depression before I knew what was causing it. So you may want to be mindful that is a possibility. Over the years this was a real problem with me and not understanding what was causing it made it even worse. Some times I thought I was lousing my mind. Now when I start feeling that way I know my E2 is up and I now know what to do about it. I can usually expect it to be worse the day after my T shot. So what your saying makes sense. I can see how Arimidex or DIM could be useful even for those of us that aren't on TRT if you are having episodes of high estradiol. Wish I had have know that ten years ago! Brett Re: Question about DHEA Phil, I am not on TRT. I am guessing my E2 is high as this was not tested. My doctor told me that my T level of 382 was ok, and saw no need for TRT. I did not know about E2 at the time though. That was about 6 weeks ago. I have the symptoms of high E2, no libido, and ED. I am 30 lbs overweight, and I could have more aromatase enzymes to convert my T to E2. I don't think I have come down low enough with the E2, as I have not experienced improvement in libido. I did have some pretty good stiff wood this morning, so maybe it's getting there. I have been taking .5mg of Arimidex since last Friday. If my E2 level was erratic, this would explain why Viagra worked 6 months ago, then it stopped, then it started again, and now it is not working at present. I am somewhat depressed too, so isn't this a symptom as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Damned Brett, That was exactly how I was feeling yesterday. Really emotional, felt like crying myself over something that really should have not caused this reaction. I almost felt like a girlyman! > > Ed, Not everybody is the same but what I have discovered is when my E2 is > high I start feeling very emotional. It's like every little thing happy or > sad makes me want to cry like a girl. Figure of speech, no offence to the > women here. Anyway this is a lot of what I was calling depression before I > knew what was causing it. So you may want to be mindful that is a > possibility. Over the years this was a real problem with me and not > understanding what was causing it made it even worse. Some times I thought > I was lousing my mind. Now when I start feeling that way I know my E2 is up > and I now know what to do about it. I can usually expect it to be worse the > day after my T shot. So what your saying makes sense. I can see how > Arimidex or DIM could be useful even for those of us that aren't on TRT if > you are having episodes of high estradiol. Wish I had have know that ten > years ago! Brett > Re: Question about DHEA > > > > Phil, I am not on TRT. I am guessing my E2 is high as this was not tested. > My doctor told me that my T level of 382 was ok, and saw no need for TRT. I > did not know about E2 at the time though. That was about 6 weeks ago. I have > the symptoms of high E2, no libido, and ED. I am 30 lbs overweight, and I > could have more aromatase enzymes to convert my T to E2. I don't think I > have come down low enough with the E2, as I have not experienced improvement > in libido. I did have some pretty good stiff wood this morning, so maybe > it's getting there. I have been taking .5mg of Arimidex since last Friday. > If my E2 level was erratic, this would explain why Viagra worked 6 months > ago, then it stopped, then it started again, and now it is not working at > present. I am somewhat depressed too, so isn't this a symptom as well. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Ed the way it works for me is I stay on the dose until I lose wood or my Estradiol gose to low. I then stop what I am using be it Arimidex or DIM until the wood comes back. I do this because lowering the dose if it's not enough Estradiol rebounds very fast and you can end up to high again. So when wood stops stop the med or supplement until wood comes back keep testing it every morning if you don't know if you had it with it works again go back on the Arimidex but do less in your case do .25mgs every 2 days see how this works out if you go to low again stop start with wood comes back go on .25 mgs every 3 days and so on. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Re: Question about DHEA > > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 5:50 PM > One more question and I won't bother > you again. Do you think I should stay at this dose until I > start to feel it? That is .5mg every day. I have been on > Arimidex for a week now. But the first two days I took > .25mg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ed > <edhill_2006@> > > > > > > > > Subject: > Question > > > about DHEA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, > 2010, 8:27 > > > PM > > > > > > > > Does this help increase > T? My T > > > is > > > > > > > > low @ 382. I started > Arimidex > > > last > > > > > Wednesday, and have not > > > > > > > > really started to feel > any libido > > > yet. I > > > > > know it takes some > > > > > > > > time. Just wondering if > this might > > > help out > > > > > with the T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Guys one thing Dr. Shippen " The Testosterone Syndrome " book said take Zinc up to 50 mgs a day and because Zinc will lower Copper levels add 2 mgs of Copper a day with it. Don't take them at the same time. I use ZMA and take it at bedtime with some TMG this helps your liver wash out E's better and if good for your heart. The links are for info you can buy anywhere. http://www.myvitanet.com/tmgtr75120ca.html http://www.myvitanet.com/zma-180-caps-now-foods.html http://www.myvitanet.com/biocitrate-copper-2-mg-60-count-solaray.html I also get some Zinc and Copper from my Multi. Vit. http://bestvitamins.com/BestVitamins/prime_nutrients.htm This will help keep Estradiol levels down and all men need Zinc we don't get it from the corn fed meat we eat. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Brett Savage <brshop@...> > Subject: Re: Question about DHEA > > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:26 PM > Ed, Not everybody is the same but > what I have discovered is when my E2 is > high I start feeling very emotional. It's like every > little thing happy or > sad makes me want to cry like a girl. Figure of > speech, no offence to the > women here. Anyway this is a lot of what I was > calling depression before I > knew what was causing it. So you may want to be > mindful that is a > possibility. Over the years this was a real problem > with me and not > understanding what was causing it made it even worse. > Some times I thought > I was lousing my mind. Now when I start feeling that > way I know my E2 is up > and I now know what to do about it. I can usually > expect it to be worse the > day after my T shot. So what your saying makes > sense. I can see how > Arimidex or DIM could be useful even for those of us that > aren't on TRT if > you are having episodes of high estradiol. Wish I had > have know that ten > years ago!   Brett > Re: Question about DHEA > > > > Phil, I am not on TRT. I am guessing my E2 is high as this > was not tested. > My doctor told me that my T level of 382 was ok, and saw no > need for TRT. I > did not know about E2 at the time though. That was about 6 > weeks ago. I have > the symptoms of high E2, no libido, and ED. I am 30 lbs > overweight, and I > could have more aromatase enzymes to convert my T to E2. I > don't think I > have come down low enough with the E2, as I have not > experienced improvement > in libido. I did have some pretty good stiff wood this > morning, so maybe > it's getting there. I have been taking .5mg of Arimidex > since last Friday. > If my E2 level was erratic, this would explain why Viagra > worked 6 months > ago, then it stopped, then it started again, and now it is > not working at > present. I am somewhat depressed too, so isn't this a > symptom as well. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2010 Report Share Posted June 17, 2010 Ok, thanks Phil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ed > > <edhill_2006@> > > > > > > > > > Subject: > > Question > > > > about DHEA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, > > 2010, 8:27 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > Does this help increase > > T? My T > > > > is > > > > > > > > > low @ 382. I started > > Arimidex > > > > last > > > > > > Wednesday, and have not > > > > > > > > > really started to feel > > any libido > > > > yet. I > > > > > > know it takes some > > > > > > > > > time. Just wondering if > > this might > > > > help out > > > > > > with the T. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Virtually everyone who is on TRT needs DHEA. That is because their own production is suppressed, and DHEA lies within that pathway. But 7-keto is not the same as straight DHEA. Be well! Regards, Crisler, DO Anti-Aging Medicine The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We would certainly do the same for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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