Re: 34 with lowT - should I use my testim gel as a short boost?

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry your going through this but seeing an Endo is not going to help

you find out why your low they are not good Dr.'s for this. You were on Testim

30 days now going on any kind of Testosteone will shut or slow your brain down

from sending the LH and FSH messages to your Testis to make more T so they stop

working. You have done this all ready so your best bet is to go back on it and

go back to this Dr. tell him you can't afford the cost of this and get on shots

do them your self starting with 100 mgs / week doing them into your thigh have

your Dr. show you how to do the and read the link I will put at the end of this

post.

Here is what happens when you start on a starting dose of Androgle or Testim

your brain sees the T in your blood and slows down telling your testis to make

T. So if your levels were say 350 base line and you go on 5 grams a low dose

your brain sees the T and slows down sending the LH and FSH messages to your

Testis stop making your base line level. Now this low dose of gel might only

get your levels up to 300 so you feel bad again.

Most men start on 5 grams of gel and should get tested again in 2 weeks to see

if they need more.

So go back on this if your Dr. will give you a script for shots if not and he

can't keep you supplied in gel don't go back on it all your doing is starting

then stopping and crashing this is worse then none at all.

The Cost of shots if you do them your self I feel is less then $120.00 and will

last you 19 weeks much less money the gels. I use a 27g 1ml X 1/2 " lg. needle

and shoot into my thigh no pain been doing this for yrs and I have great labs.

It's hard to get the oil out of the vial so I just pull the plunger all the way

down and hold it until I have my dose. If you get this your dose will be .5mls

or 100mgs to start hold this for a few months then do labs again.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

The following it a file I made on Gels.

As for finding out why your low it's a bit late you started on the gel and was

on it 30 days now your off it and I am betting your levels are now lower then

when you started.

Most men I know have Adrenal Fatigue due to having low Testosterone the low T

stress's there Adrenals and they end up with low Cortisol levels. So what came

first the chicken or the egg.

Later when you working and have the money there are some tests you can so to

tell if your Seconday meaning your Pituitary does not work right or your Primary

meaning your Testis don't work right. For now I would get on TRT.

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Starting on Androgel or Testim.

Yes this happens a lot you start on a low starting dose 5 grams when your brain

sees the testosterone in your blood even just a little it slows down even stops

sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make the Testosterone you were

making. So lets say your labs for Total T were 350 you add this dose of gel

your brain sees this and you lose the base level you had before the gel.

Now lets say you need more then 5 grams most do so now all your left with is

what the gel is doing so lets say it's doing 200 so you lost 150.

The reason you feel good is your levels go up that 200 the gel is doing in the

first 2 weeks so your levels go up to 550 in theory. The brain sees this and

you fall back.

Why can this happen it might be how your putting on the gel with Androgel you

need to spread it over your upper arms and shoulders and down your back as far

as you can reach this is half of your dose then do the other side. Just spread

it over the area but don't rub it in.

The other thing is it's not getting through your skin good so you need more. If

you have a thyroid problem your skin will become thicker and gels and creams

don't get through the skin and you need to switch to shots.

I tell men when they go on Gels to retest in 2 weeks because you can end up

feeling worse. Most men just need more gel. Dr.'s that tell men to go on 5

grams of gel and come back in 8 to 12 weeks for labs don't know much about the

use of gels. Dr.'s that treat a lot of men for low T on gels see this happen

and test them again in 2 weeks.

When you go to do labs get up and shower that morning go do your labs and then

put in the gel after your blood test so you don’t spike up your labs. If you

can’t do labs in the morning shower put on the gel but don’t get any gel on

the spot they take the blood from. Do your labs about 6 hrs later.

Call your Dr. and tell him this and that your not feeling good you were but fell

back.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: michaelgarin123 <no_reply >

> Subject: 34 with lowT - should I use my testim gel as a short

boost?

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 12:46 AM

> Hi

>

> My question keeps getting long though I'm trying to sum it

> up so I will put the direct question without the other

> details up here first.

>

> Can I use testim gel for a few days on here and there as a

> bit of a little boost to help me out. Because I really need

> even a little help right now. I haven't been properly

> diagnosed yet because I can't afford it but I have 30 days

> of testim sitting here. What effects will that have? Will I

> have a down after the boost? Will it make me dependent on

> using testim?

>

> I'm 34 with Low T. My physician prescribed testim but I

> want to get properly diagnosed by an endo and figure out

> what my problem is exactly before continuing with the

> testim. This is because I read that it can make you

> dependent on it and then you have to take it. I don't want

> to be worse off, especially since from what I have learned

> so far I think my problem might be more adrenal or

> something.

>

> Thing is I can't afford to be diagnosed right now, but I

> have 30 days of testim gel in my drawer and when I sampled

> the testim the first time (my doc gave me a weeks sample

> even before I got a blood test!), just after 3 days of it I

> felt like myself again for the first time since I don't know

> when. It was amazing!

>

> A few months later I actually started the testim treatment

> for a month but by the end of it I was actually feeling

> worse and reading about possible long term effects of using

> it I stopped to wait and get diagnosed and properly

> treated.

>

> But here I am, I desperately need to do some important

> things and the low T symptoms I'm suffering are preventing

> me from getting this big/little project done. I just can't

> get focused enough to get ahead, everyday brings new work

> and I can't get that extra day a week to focus on this

> really important side project that when its done I will be

> free from a really bad situation.

>

> Can I use the testim for a few days every month or so as a

> boost to get me through this very important couple months of

> my life. What effects will it have using it like that? I

> would be happy just to get a few days of feeling better.

>

> Thank you for your advice!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil

If Endo's aren't going to do a good job what do I do to be diagnosed and

treated?

>

> > From: michaelgarin123 <no_reply >

> > Subject: 34 with lowT - should I use my testim gel as a short

boost?

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 12:46 AM

> > Hi

> >

> > My question keeps getting long though I'm trying to sum it

> > up so I will put the direct question without the other

> > details up here first.

> >

> > Can I use testim gel for a few days on here and there as a

> > bit of a little boost to help me out. Because I really need

> > even a little help right now. I haven't been properly

> > diagnosed yet because I can't afford it but I have 30 days

> > of testim sitting here. What effects will that have? Will I

> > have a down after the boost? Will it make me dependent on

> > using testim?

> >

> > I'm 34 with Low T. My physician prescribed testim but I

> > want to get properly diagnosed by an endo and figure out

> > what my problem is exactly before continuing with the

> > testim. This is because I read that it can make you

> > dependent on it and then you have to take it. I don't want

> > to be worse off, especially since from what I have learned

> > so far I think my problem might be more adrenal or

> > something.

> >

> > Thing is I can't afford to be diagnosed right now, but I

> > have 30 days of testim gel in my drawer and when I sampled

> > the testim the first time (my doc gave me a weeks sample

> > even before I got a blood test!), just after 3 days of it I

> > felt like myself again for the first time since I don't know

> > when. It was amazing!

> >

> > A few months later I actually started the testim treatment

> > for a month but by the end of it I was actually feeling

> > worse and reading about possible long term effects of using

> > it I stopped to wait and get diagnosed and properly

> > treated.

> >

> > But here I am, I desperately need to do some important

> > things and the low T symptoms I'm suffering are preventing

> > me from getting this big/little project done. I just can't

> > get focused enough to get ahead, everyday brings new work

> > and I can't get that extra day a week to focus on this

> > really important side project that when its done I will be

> > free from a really bad situation.

> >

> > Can I use the testim for a few days every month or so as a

> > boost to get me through this very important couple months of

> > my life. What effects will it have using it like that? I

> > would be happy just to get a few days of feeling better.

> >

> > Thank you for your advice!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I get this all the time Endos are good Dr.'s for diabetes. Most family Dr.'s

don't know this if you do a search on the word ENDOCRINOLOGISTS.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

Here is a cut and paste from this link.

http://www.hormone.org/public/endocrinologist.cfm

In the yrs. I have talked to men seeing one and my own times seeing 7 of them

they don't know about male hormones. One Dr. told me they get about 1 day on

this subject in school.

http://www.hormone.org/public/endocrinologist.cfm

So just by what they are called family Dr.'s think they know all there is to

know. The above link I showed to the last Endo I seen and he told me he never

heard of this the guidelines.

You will need to do what we all have done look for a Dr. up on this any Dr. that

treats a lot of men for this problem should be good. In the files section at

the home page on the left you can read a file " Finding a New Male Hormone Dr. "

this will help you also call some Compounding Pharmacy and ask for the name and

number of Dr.'s that order from them for Compounded Testosterone Cream this

works they will help you find a Dr. in your area.

But call ask questions like how many men does he treat, dose he test to see why

one is low, will he check for high Estradiol and treat it with Arimidex and dose

he use HCG for men that are Secondary.

================================================

What do endocrinologists do?

Endocrinologists are trained to diagnose and treat hormone imbalances and

problems by helping to restore the normal balance of hormones in your system.

They take care of many conditions including:

diabetes

thyroid diseases

metabolic disorders

over or under production of hormones

menopause

osteoporosis

hypertension

cholesterol (lipid) disorders

infertility

lack of growth (short stature)

cancers of the endocrine glands

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: michaelgarin123 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: 34 with lowT - should I use my testim gel as a

short boost?

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:53 PM

> Hi Phil

>

> If Endo's aren't going to do a good job what do I do to be

> diagnosed and treated?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: michaelgarin123 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: 34 with lowT - should I

> use my testim gel as a short boost?

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 12:46 AM

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > My question keeps getting long though I'm trying

> to sum it

> > > up so I will put the direct question without the

> other

> > > details up here first.

> > >

> > > Can I use testim gel for a few days on here and

> there as a

> > > bit of a little boost to help me out. Because I

> really need

> > > even a little help right now. I haven't been

> properly

> > > diagnosed yet because I can't afford it but I

> have 30 days

> > > of testim sitting here. What effects will that

> have? Will I

> > > have a down after the boost? Will it make me

> dependent on

> > > using testim?

> > >

> > > I'm 34 with Low T. My physician prescribed testim

> but I

> > > want to get properly diagnosed by an endo and

> figure out

> > > what my problem is exactly before continuing with

> the

> > > testim. This is because I read that it can make

> you

> > > dependent on it and then you have to take it. I

> don't want

> > > to be worse off, especially since from what I

> have learned

> > > so far I think my problem might be more adrenal

> or

> > > something.

> > >

> > > Thing is I can't afford to be diagnosed right

> now, but I

> > > have 30 days of testim gel in my drawer and when

> I sampled

> > > the testim the first time (my doc gave me a weeks

> sample

> > > even before I got a blood test!), just after 3

> days of it I

> > > felt like myself again for the first time since I

> don't know

> > > when. It was amazing!

> > >

> > > A few months later I actually started the testim

> treatment

> > > for a month but by the end of it I was actually

> feeling

> > > worse and reading about possible long term

> effects of using

> > > it I stopped to wait and get diagnosed and

> properly

> > > treated.

> > >

> > > But here I am, I desperately need to do some

> important

> > > things and the low T symptoms I'm suffering are

> preventing

> > > me from getting this big/little project done. I

> just can't

> > > get focused enough to get ahead, everyday brings

> new work

> > > and I can't get that extra day a week to focus on

> this

> > > really important side project that when its done

> I will be

> > > free from a really bad situation.

> > >

> > > Can I use the testim for a few days every month

> or so as a

> > > boost to get me through this very important

> couple months of

> > > my life. What effects will it have using it like

> that? I

> > > would be happy just to get a few days of feeling

> better.

> > >

> > > Thank you for your advice!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Read this post I just did.

http://tinyurl.com/26cjgfe

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: michaelgarin123 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: 34 with lowT - should I use my testim gel as a

short boost?

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:53 PM

> Hi Phil

>

> If Endo's aren't going to do a good job what do I do to be

> diagnosed and treated?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: michaelgarin123 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: 34 with lowT - should I

> use my testim gel as a short boost?

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 12:46 AM

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > My question keeps getting long though I'm trying

> to sum it

> > > up so I will put the direct question without the

> other

> > > details up here first.

> > >

> > > Can I use testim gel for a few days on here and

> there as a

> > > bit of a little boost to help me out. Because I

> really need

> > > even a little help right now. I haven't been

> properly

> > > diagnosed yet because I can't afford it but I

> have 30 days

> > > of testim sitting here. What effects will that

> have? Will I

> > > have a down after the boost? Will it make me

> dependent on

> > > using testim?

> > >

> > > I'm 34 with Low T. My physician prescribed testim

> but I

> > > want to get properly diagnosed by an endo and

> figure out

> > > what my problem is exactly before continuing with

> the

> > > testim. This is because I read that it can make

> you

> > > dependent on it and then you have to take it. I

> don't want

> > > to be worse off, especially since from what I

> have learned

> > > so far I think my problem might be more adrenal

> or

> > > something.

> > >

> > > Thing is I can't afford to be diagnosed right

> now, but I

> > > have 30 days of testim gel in my drawer and when

> I sampled

> > > the testim the first time (my doc gave me a weeks

> sample

> > > even before I got a blood test!), just after 3

> days of it I

> > > felt like myself again for the first time since I

> don't know

> > > when. It was amazing!

> > >

> > > A few months later I actually started the testim

> treatment

> > > for a month but by the end of it I was actually

> feeling

> > > worse and reading about possible long term

> effects of using

> > > it I stopped to wait and get diagnosed and

> properly

> > > treated.

> > >

> > > But here I am, I desperately need to do some

> important

> > > things and the low T symptoms I'm suffering are

> preventing

> > > me from getting this big/little project done. I

> just can't

> > > get focused enough to get ahead, everyday brings

> new work

> > > and I can't get that extra day a week to focus on

> this

> > > really important side project that when its done

> I will be

> > > free from a really bad situation.

> > >

> > > Can I use the testim for a few days every month

> or so as a

> > > boost to get me through this very important

> couple months of

> > > my life. What effects will it have using it like

> that? I

> > > would be happy just to get a few days of feeling

> better.

> > >

> > > Thank you for your advice!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil. You are awesome! You sure put in a lot of time to help people.

I don't know why I didn't see the files and such on the left. This is my first

group. I've done so much reading and learned so much tonight.

When I clicked the link you sent for the post to read it took me to my

email home??

Do you have any literature you could recommend for learning about how

testosterone therapy can lead to dependence on it and shutting down normal

production?

[Guest guest]

This is a good one a little hard to understand if your not a Dr. but if you open

the charts in this link you will see men's LH and FSH levels going way down to

..5 or .6 on TRT this is the message sent to your Testis from your brain that

tells your Testis make T this is why I tell men find out why your low before

going on TRT.

http://intl-ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/281/6/E1172#T2

In this link if I did not give it to you is all about low Testosterone and how

Estradiol mess's with men.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Going on TRT is about the same as a body builder going on Steroids they Cycle

there Steroids so they don't shut down and stay that way you can go on a low

dose gel 5 grams a day and be shut down in 10 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: michaelgarin123 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: 34 with lowT - should I use my testim gel as a

short boost?

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:52 PM

>

>

> Thanks Phil. You are awesome! You sure put in a lot of time

> to help people.

>

> I don't know why I didn't see the files and such on the

> left. This is my first group. I've done so much

> reading and learned so much tonight.

>

> When I clicked the link you sent for the post to read it

> took me to my email home??

>

> Do you have any literature you could recommend for learning

> about how testosterone therapy can lead to dependence on it

> and shutting down normal production?

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>