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> > > >

> > > > > From: gcaussieman gcaussieman@

> > > > > Subject: In need of help and

> > > guidance please

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi guys

> > > > >

> > > > > My first post here on this informative board

> > > which was

> > > > > highly

> > > > > recommended to me by Lethal Lee.

> > > > > I have been monitoring the posts in this forum

> > > for a little

> > > > > while and

> > > > > have read through many of the reports in the file

> > > section

> > > > > which I found

> > > > > very helpful so a big thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My story is that I have been bouncing around

> > > within the

> > > > > Australian

> > > > > allopathic medical system for the last 5 years

> > > without a

> > > > > creditable

> > > > > answer or a helpful diagnosis of what I believe

> > > are my RT3

> > > > > / Adrenal/

> > > > > Hormonal and low ferritin problem(s).

> > > > >

> > > > > My comprehensive details are as follows. I know

> > > it is a lot

> > > > > so please

> > > > > excuse the length of this initial post but I

> > > thought I

> > > > > should get it all

> > > > > out there. If somebody could take the time and

> > > effort to

> > > > > provide some

> > > > > helpful guidance and advice it may assist me to

> > > finally

> > > > > move in the

> > > > > direction of solving my problem(s). For this I

> > > would be

> > > > > eternally

> > > > > grateful and hopefully a whole lot healthier.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been over on the RT3 and the NTH Adrenal

> > > forums

> > > > > looking for

> > > > > answers as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > My details

> > > > >

> > > > >  Male 59 years 182 cm or 6' tall

> > > > > Currently 70 kilograms or 154 lbs (normal range

> > > 70 kgs to

> > > > > maybe 75kgs at

> > > > > heaviest)

> > > > > Try to keep fit attending gym 5 nights

> > > weekly for

> > > > > running and weights

> > > > >

> > > > > Resting Heart Rate 55 to 65 BPM (when

> > > well and fit)

> > > > > currently though

> > > > > mostly higher

> > > > > Under a lot of ongoing stress which can't be

> > > solved

> > > > > immediately

> > > > >

> > > > > Gallbladder was removed in 1990 which was my

> > > turning point

> > > > > to eating

> > > > > healthy

> > > > >

> > > > > Vegetarian eating seafood, cheese and eggs.

> > > Recently added

> > > > > chicken back

> > > > > in. Try and focus on raw foods as much as I can.

> > > > >

> > > > > Use Himalayan Salt on food and drink Celtic Sea

> > > Salt ½ tsp

> > > > > 3 x p/d

> > > > > for low sodium

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been working on raising my chronic low

> > > ferritin

> > > > > levels, lowering

> > > > > my stress load, lowering my RT3 levels, raising

> > > my

> > > > > Aldosterone, sodium

> > > > > and potassium, supporting my adrenals, improving

> > > digestion

> > > > > and

> > > > > absorption and trying to put on some weight, both

> > > muscle

> > > > > and fat.

> > > > >

> > > > > But with my latest serum Estradiol and

> > > SHBG results I

> > > > > now need to focus

> > > > > on my sex hormones again as well, hence I am

> > > here. Hope you

> > > > > guys can

> > > > > help me!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prescribed Drugs

> > > > >

> > > > > Tertroxin ( Liothyronine) currently 40mcg daily

> > > in split

> > > > > doses, since

> > > > > September 29 2010. Hoping to wean myself

> > > from this

> > > > > gradually in

> > > > > February/March. Have been aiming for RT3 cellular

> > > clearance

> > > > > but not sure

> > > > > if that is going to happen or not as I am on a

> > > lowish dose

> > > > > and wary of

> > > > > going higher especially without any HC??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Current Supplements per day

> > > > >

> > > > > " Ethical Nutrients Iron Plus " 20 mg Iron x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Thorne Iron Picollinate 25mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Iron Bisglycinate 18mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Fish oil 1000mg x 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Krill oil 1000mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Healthy Origins Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Total Balance Multi x 7 tabs Premium combination

> > > from NZ

> > > > >

> > > > > Vit D x 1000iu x 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate & Chondroiton 1500mg x

> > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Prostate Complete x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Ultra Zinc 46mg x 1 every 2nd day as already

> > > getting 30mg

> > > > > daily in other

> > > > > supps

> > > > >

> > > > > Magnesium oil Ancient Minerals x 100mg

> > > elemental

> > > > > Magnesium on skin,

> > > > >

> > > > > Morning smoothie with Flaxseeds, slippery elm,

> > > psyllium

> > > > > husks, WPI,

> > > > > coconut oil, blueberries, almonds, yoghurt,

> > > coconut cream

> > > > > and rice milk.

> > > > > Have been including Maca 1 tsp but currently just

> > > cycling

> > > > > it off and

> > > > > will add it back in 2 weeks or so along with

> > > LGlutamine ½

> > > > > tsp x 2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently added supplements (24th December 2010)

> > > to target

> > > > > sex hormones

> > > > > and adrenals mostly

> > > > >

> > > > > Natures Way DIM Plus x 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Metabolic Maintenance DIM Complex x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > LEF Super MiraForte x 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Tru C 400mg x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Ascorbic Palmitate Vit C 500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Thorne Basic B Complex (active) x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Licorice x 450mg x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Doctors Best Proteolitic Enzymes x 2-3

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Super Digestive Enzymes x 2 with each meal

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Rhodiola 500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > LEF Super Zeaxanthan x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > My ND injected 500mg then 1000mg Glutathione in

> > > December

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently ceased supplements

> > > > >

> > > > > Bio identical DHEA caps 25mg p/d ceased

> > > 6th July 10

> > > > >

> > > > > Bio identical Testosterone cream ceasedÂÂ

> > > 21st May 10

> > > > >

> > > > > ALA

> > > > >

> > > > > Chelorex x 16 (for metals chelating) Vit E, C,

> > > Selenium

> > > > >

> > > > > Evening Primrose oil 3 caps (ceased)

> > > > >

> > > > > Indolplex

> > > > >

> > > > > EstroSense

> > > > >

> > > > > Chrysin cream 5%

> > > > >

> > > > > Chrysin cream 10%

> > > > >

> > > > > ExtremeY x 1 tab, mens mix includes Ashwaganda

> > > 300mg,

> > > > > Ginsengs, Ginko

> > > > > etc (Ceased on Vals advice re Korean ginseng and

> > > Ginko as

> > > > > too

> > > > > stimulating for struggling adrenal glands)

> > > > >

> > > > > Testoroid/Erectomax

> > > > >

> > > > > Licorice Root 1 x 2 p/d from Dec 1st Have

> > > replaced

> > > > > with Now brand

> > > > >

> > > > > Herbs of Gold Stress Ease

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently ceased supplements that may have been

> > > hindering

> > > > > iron absorption

> > > > >

> > > > > pHour Salts alkalising salts copious amounts in

> > > water

> > > > > consisting of

> > > > > calcium, sodium ,magnesium and potassium

> > > bicarbonates

> > > > >

> > > > > Longevinex x 1 caps Resveratrol, quercetin,

> > > phytate and

> > > > > grape seed mix

> > > > >

> > > > > Vit D continue to take but may have some effect

> > > with

> > > > > Calcium on iron

> > > > > absorption???

> > > > >

> > > > > Green tea within 4 hours of iron and meals.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Note as a mostly vegetarian, by definition I

> > > consume mostly

> > > > > vegetables

> > > > > which I now understand contain phytates that

> > > hinder iron

> > > > > absorption.???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Symptoms

> > > > >

> > > > > Very cold hands and feet, worse in winter to the

> > > point of

> > > > > " stinging " ,

> > > > >

> > > > > fine tremor throughout entire body always

> > > present,Â

> > > > > recent occasional

> > > > > tightness in the neck area, sunken cheeks, very

> > > gaunt

> > > > > sickly facial

> > > > > appearance, dark circles under eyes, dry

> > > nostrils

> > > > > sometimes, episodes

> > > > > of higher Blood pressure last year but low BPs in

> > > more

> > > > > recent times

> > > > > along with raised pulse, low serum free

> > > testosterone not

> > > > > reacting to

> > > > > supplementation, night sweats sometimes, unable

> > > to put on

> > > > > /maintain

> > > > > weight despite 3000kcal diet and regular weights

> > > workouts,

> > > > > exceptionally

> > > > > poor thin skin quality beyond age related

> > > expectation, eyes

> > > > > cloudy not

> > > > > clear, rapidly thinning hair, outer 1/3rd

> > > eyebrows gone,

> > > > > lower back pain

> > > > > sometimes feels like maybe kidney pain?? , Quite

> > > often I

> > > > > feel a general

> > > > > unwell feeling and I am not thriving despite all

> > > the

> > > > > considerable effort

> > > > > with lifestyle, exercise and diet. Recent 10k

> > > race sent my

> > > > > HR to 209

> > > > > when previously it would only reach 175 to

> > > 180max

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I must add that at this stage I do not have a lot

> > > of the

> > > > > seriously

> > > > > debilitating symptoms that a lot of folk here and

> > > the other

> > > > > forums seem

> > > > > to suffer from thankfully. I go to sleep

> > > reasonably easy

> > > > > most nights and

> > > > > pretty much sleep through for 7 to 8 hours (some

> > > nights a

> > > > > bathroom visit

> > > > > is required) but I do not wake refreshed but

> > > rather

> > > > > sluggish actually.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a regular runner and I am able to do this

> > > and remain

> > > > > competitive

> > > > > without overly undue exhaustion or air hunger

> > > although this

> > > > > seems to be

> > > > > getting more difficult in recent times. But maybe

> > > this is

> > > > > because I have

> > > > > been stopping some of my runs and have

> > > replaced some

> > > > > with walks so as

> > > > > not to overtax my adrenals so they can heal,

> > > hopefully. I

> > > > > am not

> > > > > diabetic, depressed, manic, brain fogged on drugs

> > > of any

> > > > > kind or

> > > > > suffering from any formally identified illness. I

> > > have

> > > > > never had any

> > > > > known problem with my Thyroid until I discovered

> > > the RT3

> > > > > site and

> > > > > started researching and

> > > testing….thankfully. Although in

> > > > > the back of

> > > > > my mind I had harboured a question mark over my

> > > Thyroid for

> > > > > some time.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So it would seem that I have RT3

> > > resistance in

> > > > > the cells , sluggish

> > > > > Adrenals, low ferritin, high SHBG, high Estradiol

> > > and low

> > > > > free

> > > > > Testosterone, mid range Total Testosterone and

> > > maybe low

> > > > > cortisol as

> > > > > well as low Aldosterone, sodium and

> > > potassium.???. Not

> > > > > withstanding that

> > > > > my main problems as outlined above under

> > > " Symptoms " are

> > > > > severe

> > > > > enough that they impact negatively on my quality

> > > of life

> > > > > and I

> > > > > absolutely need to fix them…with your help,

> > > I function

> > > > > sort of ok on

> > > > > a daily basis but I am very concerned about my

> > > Estradiol

> > > > > levels and my

> > > > > unwell gaunt appearance is sending a message.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For the last 2 years or so I have been using both

> > > bio

> > > > > identical DHEA,

> > > > > Chrysin cream and Testosterone cream in an effort

> > > to

> > > > > normalize my sex

> > > > > hormone levels. Whilst the DHEA did seem to work

> > > with good

> > > > > results I was

> > > > > concerned about the greater inbalance that this

> > > was

> > > > > creating with the

> > > > > free Testosterone which was not rising.

> > > > >

> > > > > So I have decided to cease all of these until I

> > > fully

> > > > > address my

> > > > > suspected Adrenal/RT3 problem as I suspect that

> > > this issue

> > > > > may also be

> > > > > somewhat contributing to the mid range DHEA and

> > > low free

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > and high SHBG and especially my latest high

> > > Estradiol (at

> > > > > 192 or 52.3)

> > > > >

> > > > > But that's only my thoughts , what do others

> > > think?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My theory is that my thyroid is probably somewhat

> > > normal in

> > > > > producing

> > > > > T4/T3 but the main problem is the mis-conversion

> > > of T4 to

> > > > > RT3 due to 20

> > > > > years of vegetarianism contributing to chronic

> > > low ferritin

> > > > > levels plus

> > > > > the significant stress upon me in the last 5

> > > years (which

> > > > > is when my

> > > > > main symptons first manifested) combining to

> > > produce my

> > > > > resistance in

> > > > > the cell receptors?

> > > > >

> > > > > My aim is to support my adrenals hopefully with

> > > only

> > > > > Adaptogens and

> > > > > vitamin supplements, continue to raise my

> > > ferritin levels

> > > > > with iron

> > > > > tabs, clear my RT3 with T3 only in 12 to 16 weeks

> > > or so

> > > > > then wean off

> > > > > the T3 after clearance allowing my then supported

> > > adrenals

> > > > > and increased

> > > > > ferritin levels to promote normal function of

> > > conversion of

> > > > > T4 to T3 by

> > > > > my thyroid?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I enclose the results of my last 2 Saliva tests

> > > in July and

> > > > > September

> > > > > 2010

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Salivary Cortisol 19th July 2010ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >  Â Â Â and  ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > Â Â Â

> > > > > 13th Sept

> > > > >

> > > > > 8am    ÂÂ

> > >  43.2

> > > > > H   (6.0 †" 42.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 34.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Midday      3.4Â

> > > > >   (0.0 †" 11.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 7.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4pm    ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > 3.8     (2.0 †" 11.0

> > > nmol/L)

> > > > > 3.3

> > > > >

> > > > > 8pm    ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > 3.2     (1.0 †" 8.0

> > > nmol/L)

> > > > > 0.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Daily total   53.6Â

> > > > >    (11.0 †" 76.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 46.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Midnight   3.1ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >    (0.0 †" 5.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 3.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Melatonin Midnight   10 (10 †"

> > > 40

> > > > > pg/mL)

> > > > > 6.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Androgens

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEAS am   ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >      Â

> > > > >    7.3  Â

> > > > >    (5.0 †" 30.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 6.7

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio    Â

> > > 0.17

> > > > > L  (0.20 †" 0.60 ratio)

> > > > > 0.2

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >      Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 370   ÂÂ

> > >  (100

> > > > > †" 720

> > > > > pmol/L)

> > > > >

> > > > > Progesterone (P4)  ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   Â Â Â 139 ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >     < 159pmol/L

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Estrogens

> > > > >

> > > > > Estradiol (E2)   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   5.0Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > <6 pmol/L

> > > > > 3.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Estrone (E1)   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >      Â

> > > > >    23.0 H   Â

> Â (9.6

> > > > > †" 20.0

> > > > > pg/mL)    25.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Estriol (E3)   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > > <1.0     Â

> > > Â (0.00

> > > > > †" 25.0)

> > > > > pg/mL   <1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > E3/ [E2+E1]   ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >      Â

> > > Â Â 0.04

> > > > > L    >1.0

> > > Ratio

> > > > > 0.04

> > > > >

> > > > > P4/E2 Ratio   ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   27.8Â

> > > > >       (4.0 †"

> > > 108.0

> > > > > Ratio)

> > > > >

> > > > > Note I had been taking Ashwaganda 300mg plus

> > > other

> > > > > ingredients contained

> > > > > in my " Nutra Life Extreme Y " Male supplement up

> > > to 24

> > > > > hours

> > > > > prior to the July test but not for the September

> > > test.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > These below were part of the July test results of

> > > urine

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Spot

> > > > >

> > > > > Creatinine Urine Spot    4.6Â

> > > > >    (6.5 †" 15.0)Â

> > > > > Â Â Â mmol/L

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Iodine   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >     73ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > Â Â Â ug/L

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Iodine corrected ÂÂ

> > > 140.4 Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > Â Â Â ug/gCR

> > > > >

> > > > > Notes: Normal iodine status >100ug Iodine /g

> > > creatinine

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine 24 hour

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone, urine  ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >       0.9Â

> > > > >    (0.6 †" 2.2)  Â

> umol/24h

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I also include some of my blood test history

> > > through 2010

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   Blood tests

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Feb-10

> > > > >

> > > > > May-10

> > > > >

> > > > > Jun-10

> > > > >

> > > > > July/Aug/ Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 10

> > > > >

> > > > > Component

> > > > >

> > > > > Range

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > S & N Labs

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone total

> > > > >

> > > > > 10--33

> > > > >

> > > > > 24

> > > > >

> > > > > 22

> > > > >

> > > > > 18.6

> > > > >

> > > > >     Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 24  22 ÂÂ

> > > 21Â

> > > > >  22

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone free

> > > > >

> > > > > 40-100

> > > > >

> > > > > 42

> > > > >

> > > > > 29

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 28  20 ÂÂ

> > > 19Â

> > > > >  18

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone free calc

> > > > >

> > > > > 260-740

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 265

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Oestradiol

> > > > >

> > > > > 40-250

> > > > >

> > > > > 162

> > > > >

> > > > > 131

> > > > >

> > > > > 89

> > > > >

> > > > >    155 155Â

> > > > > 122Â Â Â 150Â Â Â 192

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > >

> > > > > 300-2700

> > > > >

> > > > > 1600

> > > > >

> > > > > 2300

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 1300Â Â Â 1300

> > > > >

> > > > > SHBG

> > > > >

> > > > > 13-71

> > > > >

> > > > > 57

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 59

> > > > >

> > > > >    Â Â Â 60ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >  56     81Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 79

> > > > >

> > > > > 17 OH Pregnenolone

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.0-10.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hydroxy-Progesterone

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.2--1.8

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.3

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > DHT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prolactin

> > > > >

> > > > > <15

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Luteinizing hormone

> > > > >

> > > > > 3--20

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     5

> > > > >

> > > > > Follicle Stimulating

> > > > >

> > > > > 3--20

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >      17

> > > > >

> > > > > Cotrisol 24 hour urine

> > > > >

> > > > > 80-590

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Cortisol

> > > > >

> > > > > 190-610

> > > > >

> > > > > 320

> > > > >

> > > > > 360

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 450Â Â Â 530  520ÂÂ

> > > 470Â

> > > > >  370

> > > > >

> > > > > ACTH

> > > > >

> > > > > 5--50

> > > > >

> > > > > 21

> > > > >

> > > > > 24

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >    22    43Â

> > > > >   32  ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >  29

> > > > >

> > > > > Adrenaline

> > > > >

> > > > > <1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Noradenaline

> > > > >

> > > > > <3.5

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  5.9+

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Normetadrenaline free

> > > > >

> > > > > <900

> > > > >

> > > > > 308

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Metadrenaline free

> > > > >

> > > > > <500

> > > > >

> > > > > 145

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > HbA1c

> > > > >

> > > > > <6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PSA

> > > > >

> > > > > <3.20

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.48

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.52

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 0.38   ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > > 0.45

> > > > >

> > > > > Cholesterol

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.9-7.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.1

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.7  4.9 ÂÂ

> > > 4.2 Â

> > > > > 4.7Â Â Â 4.6

> > > > >

> > > > > Triglycerides

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.3-2.2

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.5  0.6Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 0.5Â Â Â 0.4 ÂÂ

> 0.4

> > > > >

> > > > > ESR

> > > > >

> > > > > 1--20

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Ferritin Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 20-320

> > > > >

> > > > > 48

> > > > >

> > > > > 42

> > > > >

> > > > > 60   / 40

> > > > >

> > > > > 61  55  Â

> > > > > 55   60 57   66

> > > > >

> > > > > Iron

> > > > >

> > > > > 10--33

> > > > >

> > > > > 18

> > > > >

> > > > > 29

> > > > >

> > > > > 17   / 18

> > > > >

> > > > > 32  25  Â

> > > > > 24   25 16 13

> > > > >

> > > > > Transferrin IBC

> > > > >

> > > > > 45 - 70

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 69 /   61

> > > > >

> > > > > 71  68  Â

> > > > > 59   64 61   61

> > > > >

> > > > > Transferrin Saturation %

> > > > >

> > > > > 16 - 50

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 25 / 29

> > > > >

> > > > > 45  37  ÂÂ

> > > 41Â

> > > > > 39Â Â Â 26Â Â Â 21

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Vit B12 Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 162-811

> > > > >

> > > > >       Â

> > > 888+

> > > > >

> > > > > 354

> > > > >

> > > > > 453

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >    Â

> > > > > 902+

> > > > >

> > > > > Red cell Magnesium

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.2-7.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum zinc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     16

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucose

> > > > >

> > > > > 3-6 fasting

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.3

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.4

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >    5.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Homocysteine

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.0-15.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 7

> > > > >

> > > > > 11

> > > > >

> > > > > 8.1

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     6.7

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin D 25hydroxy

> > > > >

> > > > > 50-300

> > > > >

> > > > > 160

> > > > >

> > > > > 160

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >   140 120ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     140

> > > > >

> > > > > Albumin

> > > > >

> > > > > 35-50

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 43

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   Â Â Â 41 43ÂÂ

> > > 45

> > > > >

> > > > > Globulins

> > > > >

> > > > > 20-40

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 27

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   Â Â Â 24 24ÂÂ

> > > 25

> > > > >

> > > > > Renin

> > > > >

> > > > > 3 -- 40

> > > > >

> > > > > 32

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 64+    ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >    22 31 44

> > > > >

> > > > > Aldosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > 100-950

> > > > >

> > > > > 190

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 440    ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > 250 210 280

> > > > >

> > > > > Aldosterone/Renin ratio

> > > > >

> > > > > 2--75

> > > > >

> > > > > 6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 7    ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   11    7Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Red Cell Folate Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 545-3370

> > > > >

> > > > > 869

> > > > >

> > > > > 556

> > > > >

> > > > > 2343

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >  1113

> > > > >

> > > > > THS

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.4-4.00

> > > > >

> > > > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.7

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.1

> > > > >

> > > > >     Â

> > > > > 0.9Â Â Â 0.1Â Â Â 0.3ÂÂ

> Â

> > > > > 0.07

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T4

> > > > >

> > > > > 10 - 20

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >       Â

> > > 19Â

> > > > >  13  13 ÂÂ

> > > Â Â Â 11

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T3

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.8 - 6.8

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     Â

> > > > > 4.8Â Â Â 5.9Â Â Â 4.8ÂÂ

> Â

> > > > >  6.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

> > > > >

> > > > > <60

> > > > >

> > > > > 39

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   42Â

> > > > > 22

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

> > > > >

> > > > > <60

> > > > >

> > > > > 18

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >      Â

> > > > >    43 53

> > > > >

> > > > > Red Cell Porphryn

> > > > >

> > > > > 0--900

> > > > >

> > > > > 430

> > > > >

> > > > > 530

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Reverse T3

> > > > >

> > > > > 170--450

> > > > >

> > > > >       Â

> > > 462+

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 449

> > > > >

> > > > > 540+

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Leptin

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.0 - 5.6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sodium

> > > > >

> > > > > 137 - 147

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 142

> > > > >

> > > > > 140

> > > > >

> > > > >    140 ÂÂ

> > > 138Â

> > > > >    139    138

> > > > >

> > > > > Potassium

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.5 - 5.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > >

> > > > >      4.8Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 4.3  ÂÂ

> > > 4.5 Â

> > > > >  3.9

> > > > >

> > > > > Calcium

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.25- 2.65

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.46

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.43

> > > > >

> > > > >     2.64  Â

> 2.49Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 2.37Â Â Â 2.49

> > > > >

> > > > > Billirubin Total

> > > > >

> > > > > 2 -- 20

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > > 23+

> > > > >

> > > > >     21ÂÂ

> > >   18Â

> > > > >    22 ÂÂ

> > >  14

> > > > >

> > > > > Billirubin Direct

> > > > >

> > > > > 0 -- 8

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 7

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >    6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Questions

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Am I hopefully on the right track with the

> > > DIM, Super

> > > > > MiraForte and

> > > > > other supplements targeting improvements in the

> > > sex

> > > > > hormones??

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. What else do I need to do and what has been

> > > the

> > > > > experience of those

> > > > > here with any of the above supps?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Are any of my vast array of supplements etc

> > > likely to be

> > > > > working

> > > > > against me?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. I am unsure of my real iodine status (despite

> > > spot test)

> > > > > so have

> > > > > stayed away from most identified iodine but not

> > > sure if

> > > > > this is the

> > > > > right approach or the wrong approach so any

> > > suggestions

> > > > > might be

> > > > > helpful.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Does anyone know how to safely increase my

> > > Aldosterone

> > > > > levels or how

> > > > > much Licorice is safe to take and for how long?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. It seems that taking salt for low sodium may

> > > contribute

> > > > > in driving

> > > > > Aldosterone down so how do I raise sodium,

> > > Aldosterone,

> > > > > potassium and

> > > > > also keep calcium from elevating?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am open to all comments and will very much

> > > welcome your

> > > > > input on any

> > > > > aspect of the above as I feel I am now

> > > desperately

> > > > > struggling with all

> > > > > this and can't really see my way forward.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgive me for the length of this post but I just

> > > need to

> > > > > get everything

> > > > > out there for completeness.

> > > > > The big question is what do I do now? Hopefully I

> > > will

> > > > > receive some

> > > > > valuable advice and guidance from this informed

> > > community.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindest regards and warmest thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Wayne

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb

Yes you are right it is the symptoms that rule.

Could I explore this a little with you as you mention both your husband and

yourself had an internal vibration. My tremor is an internal fine tremor that is

with me 24/7. It is definitely not Parkinsons. It is more noticeable when my

muscles are under load such as lifting weights or holding something heavy and

barely noticeable when going about my daily business. I can see it quite clearly

if I cross my legs when I am sitting in a chair. My suspended foot is seen

clearly to vibrate. This is quite liveable with as it currently is but there

are two things that trouble me about this condition. First of all it may get

considerably worse as time goes by and secondly it is obviously using up a lot

of energy to keep this vibration going 24/7 and ageing the cells of my body

prematurely. This can't be a good thing. As well as that the extra energy my

body demands just to feed this useless tremor probably makes it harder for me to

correctly utilise the energy to put on weight, build muscle, carry out my daily

dutes and I would think it further taxes my adrenals. There was a report on TV

the other night that likened people who continually fidget all day to using

extra energy equivalent to running a 26 mile (42k) marathon each and every day.

This most likely applies to my situation but maybe worse.

Is this anything like your experience?

You mention that your cause was low cortisol but it repaired after you were able

to increase your thyroid. Could you explain this to me please?

Yes my diet is very clean, I work hard at it. I must tell you that after 21

years I just had a small steak tonight for dinner. So it is a momentous

occassion for me. No more vego!! It's onwards and upwards from here!

I will investigate the no gallbladder/ fat suggestion.

I have been running ever since my gallbladder was removed in 1990 and I only

developed or at least discovered my high RT3 issue but I take your point that it

contributes as per your link. i am only a 10 k runner and not a marathon runner.

I wish I could run a marathon at least once in my life. Actually if I can get

better I might just do this, slowly.

Yes I will test FT3 & FT4. What will testing the Total T3 and Total T4 likely

reveal as I have never had these tested before?

Thank you Barb for your advice it is very generous of you.

Kind regards

Wayne

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi guys

> > > >

> > > > My first post here on this informative board which was highly

> > > > recommended to me by Lethal Lee.

> > > > I have been monitoring the posts in this forum for a little while and

> > > > have read through many of the reports in the file section which I found

> > > > very helpful so a big thanks.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My story is that I have been bouncing around within the Australian

> > > > allopathic medical system for the last 5 years without a creditable

> > > > answer or a helpful diagnosis of what I believe are my RT3 / Adrenal/

> > > > Hormonal and low ferritin problem(s).

> > > >

> > > > My comprehensive details are as follows. I know it is a lot so please

> > > > excuse the length of this initial post but I thought I should get it all

> > > > out there. If somebody could take the time and effort to provide some

> > > > helpful guidance and advice it may assist me to finally move in the

> > > > direction of solving my problem(s). For this I would be eternally

> > > > grateful and hopefully a whole lot healthier.

> > > >

> > > > I have been over on the RT3 and the NTH Adrenal forums looking for

> > > > answers as well.

> > > >

> > > > My details

> > > >

> > > > Male 59 years 182 cm or 6' tall

> > > > Currently 70 kilograms or 154 lbs (normal range 70 kgs to maybe 75kgs at

> > > > heaviest)

> > > > Try to keep fit attending gym 5 nights weekly for running and weights

> > > >

> > > > Resting Heart Rate 55 to 65 BPM (when well and fit) currently though

> > > > mostly higher

> > > > Under a lot of ongoing stress which can't be solved immediately

> > > >

> > > > Gallbladder was removed in 1990 which was my turning point to eating

> > > > healthy

> > > >

> > > > Vegetarian eating seafood, cheese and eggs. Recently added chicken back

> > > > in. Try and focus on raw foods as much as I can.

> > > >

> > > > Use Himalayan Salt on food and drink Celtic Sea Salt ½ tsp 3 x p/d

> > > > for low sodium

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I have been working on raising my chronic low ferritin levels, lowering

> > > > my stress load, lowering my RT3 levels, raising my Aldosterone, sodium

> > > > and potassium, supporting my adrenals, improving digestion and

> > > > absorption and trying to put on some weight, both muscle and fat.

> > > >

> > > > But with my latest serum Estradiol and SHBG results I now need to focus

> > > > on my sex hormones again as well, hence I am here. Hope you guys can

> > > > help me!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Prescribed Drugs

> > > >

> > > > Tertroxin ( Liothyronine) currently 40mcg daily in split doses, since

> > > > September 29 2010. Hoping to wean myself from this gradually in

> > > > February/March. Have been aiming for RT3 cellular clearance but not sure

> > > > if that is going to happen or not as I am on a lowish dose and wary of

> > > > going higher especially without any HC??

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Current Supplements per day

> > > >

> > > > " Ethical Nutrients Iron Plus " 20 mg Iron x 1

> > > >

> > > > Thorne Iron Picollinate 25mg x 1

> > > >

> > > > Now Iron Bisglycinate 18mg x 1

> > > >

> > > > Fish oil 1000mg x 4

> > > >

> > > > Now Krill oil 1000mg x 1

> > > >

> > > > Healthy Origins Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg x 1

> > > >

> > > > Total Balance Multi x 7 tabs Premium combination from NZ

> > > >

> > > > Vit D x 1000iu x 6

> > > >

> > > > Glucosamine Sulphate & Chondroiton 1500mg x 1

> > > >

> > > > Prostate Complete x 1

> > > >

> > > > Ultra Zinc 46mg x 1 every 2nd day as already getting 30mg daily in other

> > > > supps

> > > >

> > > > Magnesium oil Ancient Minerals x 100mg elemental Magnesium on skin,

> > > >

> > > > Morning smoothie with Flaxseeds, slippery elm, psyllium husks, WPI,

> > > > coconut oil, blueberries, almonds, yoghurt, coconut cream and rice milk.

> > > > Have been including Maca 1 tsp but currently just cycling it off and

> > > > will add it back in 2 weeks or so along with LGlutamine ½ tsp x 2

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Recently added supplements (24th December 2010) to target sex hormones

> > > > and adrenals mostly

> > > >

> > > > Natures Way DIM Plus x 6

> > > >

> > > > Metabolic Maintenance DIM Complex x 1

> > > >

> > > > LEF Super MiraForte x 4

> > > >

> > > > Now Tru C 400mg x 2

> > > >

> > > > Ascorbic Palmitate Vit C 500mg x 1

> > > >

> > > > Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer x 1

> > > >

> > > > Thorne Basic B Complex (active) x 2

> > > >

> > > > Now Licorice x 450mg x 2

> > > >

> > > > Doctors Best Proteolitic Enzymes x 2-3

> > > >

> > > > Now Super Digestive Enzymes x 2 with each meal

> > > >

> > > > Now Rhodiola 500mg x 1

> > > >

> > > > LEF Super Zeaxanthan x 1

> > > >

> > > > My ND injected 500mg then 1000mg Glutathione in December

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Recently ceased supplements

> > > >

> > > > Bio identical DHEA caps 25mg p/d ceased 6th July 10

> > > >

> > > > Bio identical Testosterone cream ceased 21st May 10

> > > >

> > > > ALA

> > > >

> > > > Chelorex x 16 (for metals chelating) Vit E, C, Selenium

> > > >

> > > > Evening Primrose oil 3 caps (ceased)

> > > >

> > > > Indolplex

> > > >

> > > > EstroSense

> > > >

> > > > Chrysin cream 5%

> > > >

> > > > Chrysin cream 10%

> > > >

> > > > ExtremeY x 1 tab, mens mix includes Ashwaganda 300mg, Ginsengs, Ginko

> > > > etc (Ceased on Vals advice re Korean ginseng and Ginko as too

> > > > stimulating for struggling adrenal glands)

> > > >

> > > > Testoroid/Erectomax

> > > >

> > > > Licorice Root 1 x 2 p/d from Dec 1st Have replaced with Now brand

> > > >

> > > > Herbs of Gold Stress Ease

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Recently ceased supplements that may have been hindering iron absorption

> > > >

> > > > pHour Salts alkalising salts copious amounts in water consisting of

> > > > calcium, sodium ,magnesium and potassium bicarbonates

> > > >

> > > > Longevinex x 1 caps Resveratrol, quercetin, phytate and grape seed mix

> > > >

> > > > Vit D continue to take but may have some effect with Calcium on iron

> > > > absorption???

> > > >

> > > > Green tea within 4 hours of iron and meals.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Note as a mostly vegetarian, by definition I consume mostly vegetables

> > > > which I now understand contain phytates that hinder iron absorption.???

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Symptoms

> > > >

> > > > Very cold hands and feet, worse in winter to the point of

> > > > " stinging " ,

> > > >

> > > > fine tremor throughout entire body always present, recent occasional

> > > > tightness in the neck area, sunken cheeks, very gaunt sickly facial

> > > > appearance, dark circles under eyes, dry nostrils sometimes, episodes

> > > > of higher Blood pressure last year but low BPs in more recent times

> > > > along with raised pulse, low serum free testosterone not reacting to

> > > > supplementation, night sweats sometimes, unable to put on /maintain

> > > > weight despite 3000kcal diet and regular weights workouts, exceptionally

> > > > poor thin skin quality beyond age related expectation, eyes cloudy not

> > > > clear, rapidly thinning hair, outer 1/3rd eyebrows gone, lower back pain

> > > > sometimes feels like maybe kidney pain?? , Quite often I feel a general

> > > > unwell feeling and I am not thriving despite all the considerable effort

> > > > with lifestyle, exercise and diet. Recent 10k race sent my HR to 209

> > > > when previously it would only reach 175 to 180max

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I must add that at this stage I do not have a lot of the seriously

> > > > debilitating symptoms that a lot of folk here and the other forums seem

> > > > to suffer from thankfully. I go to sleep reasonably easy most nights and

> > > > pretty much sleep through for 7 to 8 hours (some nights a bathroom visit

> > > > is required) but I do not wake refreshed but rather sluggish actually.

> > > >

> > > > I am a regular runner and I am able to do this and remain competitive

> > > > without overly undue exhaustion or air hunger although this seems to be

> > > > getting more difficult in recent times. But maybe this is because I have

> > > > been stopping some of my runs and have replaced some with walks so as

> > > > not to overtax my adrenals so they can heal, hopefully. I am not

> > > > diabetic, depressed, manic, brain fogged on drugs of any kind or

> > > > suffering from any formally identified illness. I have never had any

> > > > known problem with my Thyroid until I discovered the RT3 site and

> > > > started researching and testing….thankfully. Although in the back of

> > > > my mind I had harboured a question mark over my Thyroid for some time.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > So it would seem that I have RT3 resistance in the cells , sluggish

> > > > Adrenals, low ferritin, high SHBG, high Estradiol and low free

> > > > Testosterone, mid range Total Testosterone and maybe low cortisol as

> > > > well as low Aldosterone, sodium and potassium.???. Not withstanding that

> > > > my main problems as outlined above under " Symptoms " are severe

> > > > enough that they impact negatively on my quality of life and I

> > > > absolutely need to fix them…with your help, I function sort of ok on

> > > > a daily basis but I am very concerned about my Estradiol levels and my

> > > > unwell gaunt appearance is sending a message.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For the last 2 years or so I have been using both bio identical DHEA,

> > > > Chrysin cream and Testosterone cream in an effort to normalize my sex

> > > > hormone levels. Whilst the DHEA did seem to work with good results I was

> > > > concerned about the greater inbalance that this was creating with the

> > > > free Testosterone which was not rising.

> > > >

> > > > So I have decided to cease all of these until I fully address my

> > > > suspected Adrenal/RT3 problem as I suspect that this issue may also be

> > > > somewhat contributing to the mid range DHEA and low free Testosterone

> > > > and high SHBG and especially my latest high Estradiol (at 192 or 52.3)

> > > >

> > > > But that's only my thoughts , what do others think?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > My theory is that my thyroid is probably somewhat normal in producing

> > > > T4/T3 but the main problem is the mis-conversion of T4 to RT3 due to 20

> > > > years of vegetarianism contributing to chronic low ferritin levels plus

> > > > the significant stress upon me in the last 5 years (which is when my

> > > > main symptons first manifested) combining to produce my resistance in

> > > > the cell receptors?

> > > >

> > > > My aim is to support my adrenals hopefully with only Adaptogens and

> > > > vitamin supplements, continue to raise my ferritin levels with iron

> > > > tabs, clear my RT3 with T3 only in 12 to 16 weeks or so then wean off

> > > > the T3 after clearance allowing my then supported adrenals and increased

> > > > ferritin levels to promote normal function of conversion of T4 to T3 by

> > > > my thyroid?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I enclose the results of my last 2 Saliva tests in July and September

> > > > 2010

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Salivary Cortisol 19th July 2010 and

> > > > 13th Sept

> > > >

> > > > 8am 43.2 H (6.0 – 42.0 nmol/L)

> > > > 34.3

> > > >

> > > > Midday 3.4 (0.0 – 11.0 nmol/L)

> > > > 7.4

> > > >

> > > > 4pm 3.8 (2.0 – 11.0 nmol/L)

> > > > 3.3

> > > >

> > > > 8pm 3.2 (1.0 – 8.0 nmol/L)

> > > > 0.8

> > > >

> > > > Daily total 53.6 (11.0 – 76.0 nmol/L)

> > > > 46.8

> > > >

> > > > Midnight 3.1 (0.0 – 5.0 nmol/L)

> > > > 3.0

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Melatonin Midnight 10 (10 – 40 pg/mL)

> > > > 6.0

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Androgens

> > > >

> > > > DHEAS am 7.3 (5.0 – 30.0 nmol/L)

> > > > 6.7

> > > >

> > > > DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio 0.17 L (0.20 – 0.60 ratio)

> > > > 0.2

> > > >

> > > > Testosterone 370 (100 – 720

> > > > pmol/L)

> > > >

> > > > Progesterone (P4) 139 < 159pmol/L

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Estrogens

> > > >

> > > > Estradiol (E2) 5.0 <6 pmol/L

> > > > 3.0

> > > >

> > > > Estrone (E1) 23.0 H (9.6 – 20.0

> > > > pg/mL) 25.0

> > > >

> > > > Estriol (E3) <1.0 (0.00 – 25.0)

> > > > pg/mL <1.0

> > > >

> > > > E3/ [E2+E1] 0.04 L >1.0 Ratio

> > > > 0.04

> > > >

> > > > P4/E2 Ratio 27.8 (4.0 – 108.0

> > > > Ratio)

> > > >

> > > > Note I had been taking Ashwaganda 300mg plus other ingredients contained

> > > > in my " Nutra Life Extreme Y " Male supplement up to 24 hours

> > > > prior to the July test but not for the September test.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > These below were part of the July test results of urine

> > > >

> > > > Urine Spot

> > > >

> > > > Creatinine Urine Spot 4.6 (6.5 – 15.0) mmol/L

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Urine Iodine 73 ug/L

> > > >

> > > > Urine Iodine corrected 140.4 ug/gCR

> > > >

> > > > Notes: Normal iodine status >100ug Iodine /g creatinine

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Urine 24 hour

> > > >

> > > > Testosterone, urine 0.9 (0.6 – 2.2) umol/24h

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I also include some of my blood test history through 2010

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Blood tests

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Feb-10

> > > >

> > > > May-10

> > > >

> > > > Jun-10

> > > >

> > > > July/Aug/ Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 10

> > > >

> > > > Component

> > > >

> > > > Range

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > S & N Labs

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Testosterone total

> > > >

> > > > 10--33

> > > >

> > > > 24

> > > >

> > > > 22

> > > >

> > > > 18.6

> > > >

> > > > 24 22 21 22

> > > >

> > > > Testosterone free

> > > >

> > > > 40-100

> > > >

> > > > 42

> > > >

> > > > 29

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 28 20 19 18

> > > >

> > > > Testosterone free calc

> > > >

> > > > 260-740

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 265

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Oestradiol

> > > >

> > > > 40-250

> > > >

> > > > 162

> > > >

> > > > 131

> > > >

> > > > 89

> > > >

> > > > 155 155 122 150 192

> > > >

> > > > DHEA

> > > >

> > > > 300-2700

> > > >

> > > > 1600

> > > >

> > > > 2300

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1300 1300

> > > >

> > > > SHBG

> > > >

> > > > 13-71

> > > >

> > > > 57

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 59

> > > >

> > > > 60 56 81 79

> > > >

> > > > 17 OH Pregnenolone

> > > >

> > > > 0.0-10.0

> > > >

> > > > 5.5

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hydroxy-Progesterone

> > > >

> > > > 0.2--1.8

> > > >

> > > > 1.3

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > DHT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3.19

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Prolactin

> > > >

> > > > <15

> > > >

> > > > 5

> > > >

> > > > 5

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Luteinizing hormone

> > > >

> > > > 3--20

> > > >

> > > > 5

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 5

> > > >

> > > > Follicle Stimulating

> > > >

> > > > 3--20

> > > >

> > > > 17

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 17

> > > >

> > > > Cotrisol 24 hour urine

> > > >

> > > > 80-590

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Cortisol

> > > >

> > > > 190-610

> > > >

> > > > 320

> > > >

> > > > 360

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 450 530 520 470 370

> > > >

> > > > ACTH

> > > >

> > > > 5--50

> > > >

> > > > 21

> > > >

> > > > 24

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 22 43 32 29

> > > >

> > > > Adrenaline

> > > >

> > > > <1.0

> > > >

> > > > 0.2

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Noradenaline

> > > >

> > > > <3.5

> > > >

> > > > 5.9+

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Normetadrenaline free

> > > >

> > > > <900

> > > >

> > > > 308

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Metadrenaline free

> > > >

> > > > <500

> > > >

> > > > 145

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > HbA1c

> > > >

> > > > <6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PSA

> > > >

> > > > <3.20

> > > >

> > > > 0.48

> > > >

> > > > 0.52

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 0.38 0.45

> > > >

> > > > Cholesterol

> > > >

> > > > 3.9-7.4

> > > >

> > > > 5.1

> > > >

> > > > 4.5

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4.7 4.9 4.2 4.7 4.6

> > > >

> > > > Triglycerides

> > > >

> > > > 0.3-2.2

> > > >

> > > > 0.5

> > > >

> > > > 0.6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 0.5 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.4

> > > >

> > > > ESR

> > > >

> > > > 1--20

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 1

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Serum Ferritin Assay

> > > >

> > > > 20-320

> > > >

> > > > 48

> > > >

> > > > 42

> > > >

> > > > 60 / 40

> > > >

> > > > 61 55 55 60 57 66

> > > >

> > > > Iron

> > > >

> > > > 10--33

> > > >

> > > > 18

> > > >

> > > > 29

> > > >

> > > > 17 / 18

> > > >

> > > > 32 25 24 25 16 13

> > > >

> > > > Transferrin IBC

> > > >

> > > > 45 - 70

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 69 / 61

> > > >

> > > > 71 68 59 64 61 61

> > > >

> > > > Transferrin Saturation %

> > > >

> > > > 16 - 50

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 25 / 29

> > > >

> > > > 45 37 41 39 26 21

> > > >

> > > > Serum Vit B12 Assay

> > > >

> > > > 162-811

> > > >

> > > > 888+

> > > >

> > > > 354

> > > >

> > > > 453

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 902+

> > > >

> > > > Red cell Magnesium

> > > >

> > > > 5.2-7.5

> > > >

> > > > 5.4

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Serum zinc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 19

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 16

> > > >

> > > > Glucose

> > > >

> > > > 3-6 fasting

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 5.3

> > > >

> > > > 5.4

> > > >

> > > > 5.3

> > > >

> > > > Homocysteine

> > > >

> > > > 0.0-15.0

> > > >

> > > > 7

> > > >

> > > > 11

> > > >

> > > > 8.1

> > > >

> > > > 6.7

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin D 25hydroxy

> > > >

> > > > 50-300

> > > >

> > > > 160

> > > >

> > > > 160

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 140 120 140

> > > >

> > > > Albumin

> > > >

> > > > 35-50

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 43

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 41 43 45

> > > >

> > > > Globulins

> > > >

> > > > 20-40

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 27

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 24 24 25

> > > >

> > > > Renin

> > > >

> > > > 3 -- 40

> > > >

> > > > 32

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 64+ 22 31 44

> > > >

> > > > Aldosterone

> > > >

> > > > 100-950

> > > >

> > > > 190

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 440 250 210 280

> > > >

> > > > Aldosterone/Renin ratio

> > > >

> > > > 2--75

> > > >

> > > > 6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 7 11 7 6

> > > >

> > > > Red Cell Folate Assay

> > > >

> > > > 545-3370

> > > >

> > > > 869

> > > >

> > > > 556

> > > >

> > > > 2343

> > > >

> > > > 1113

> > > >

> > > > THS

> > > >

> > > > 0.4-4.00

> > > >

> > > > 1

> > > >

> > > > 0.7

> > > >

> > > > 1.1

> > > >

> > > > 0.9 0.1 0.3 0.07

> > > >

> > > > Free T4

> > > >

> > > > 10 - 20

> > > >

> > > > 17

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 19 13 13 11

> > > >

> > > > Free T3

> > > >

> > > > 2.8 - 6.8

> > > >

> > > > 5

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4.8 5.9 4.8 6.8

> > > >

> > > > Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

> > > >

> > > > <60

> > > >

> > > > 39

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 42 22

> > > >

> > > > Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

> > > >

> > > > <60

> > > >

> > > > 18

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 43 53

> > > >

> > > > Red Cell Porphryn

> > > >

> > > > 0--900

> > > >

> > > > 430

> > > >

> > > > 530

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Reverse T3

> > > >

> > > > 170--450

> > > >

> > > > 462+

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 449

> > > >

> > > > 540+

> > > >

> > > > Serum Leptin

> > > >

> > > > 2.0 - 5.6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2.4

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sodium

> > > >

> > > > 137 - 147

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 142

> > > >

> > > > 140

> > > >

> > > > 140 138 139 138

> > > >

> > > > Potassium

> > > >

> > > > 3.5 - 5.0

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 4.4

> > > >

> > > > 4.4

> > > >

> > > > 4.8 4.3 4.5 3.9

> > > >

> > > > Calcium

> > > >

> > > > 2.25- 2.65

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2.46

> > > >

> > > > 2.43

> > > >

> > > > 2.64 2.49 2.37 2.49

> > > >

> > > > Billirubin Total

> > > >

> > > > 2 -- 20

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 17

> > > >

> > > > 23+

> > > >

> > > > 21 18 22 14

> > > >

> > > > Billirubin Direct

> > > >

> > > > 0 -- 8

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 7

> > > >

> > > > 6

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Questions

> > > >

> > > > 1. Am I hopefully on the right track with the DIM, Super MiraForte and

> > > > other supplements targeting improvements in the sex hormones??

> > > >

> > > > 2. What else do I need to do and what has been the experience of those

> > > > here with any of the above supps?

> > > >

> > > > 3. Are any of my vast array of supplements etc likely to be working

> > > > against me?

> > > >

> > > > 4. I am unsure of my real iodine status (despite spot test) so have

> > > > stayed away from most identified iodine but not sure if this is the

> > > > right approach or the wrong approach so any suggestions might be

> > > > helpful.

> > > >

> > > > 5. Does anyone know how to safely increase my Aldosterone levels or how

> > > > much Licorice is safe to take and for how long?

> > > >

> > > > 6. It seems that taking salt for low sodium may contribute in driving

> > > > Aldosterone down so how do I raise sodium, Aldosterone, potassium and

> > > > also keep calcium from elevating?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am open to all comments and will very much welcome your input on any

> > > > aspect of the above as I feel I am now desperately struggling with all

> > > > this and can't really see my way forward.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Forgive me for the length of this post but I just need to get everything

> > > > out there for completeness.

> > > > The big question is what do I do now? Hopefully I will receive some

> > > > valuable advice and guidance from this informed community.

> > > >

> > > > Kindest regards and warmest thanks

> > > >

> > > > Wayne

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Wayne,

I feel your going to be fine just go slow when coming off a med like T3 I would

come down 2x's slower then you went up. Time is on your side let your body

adjust to the changes. The body hates change the less you can change the better

it will adjust. If you were younger it would be different same works for

exercise as we age it takes the body longer to recover. When I was in my 20 we

worked muscles every other day to took a day off to let the muscle heal. Now

when you get older this takes longer so try to give your body time to heal after

working out.

Thanks for the kind words but I am not in pain sitting down or laying. Only

when I try to stand or walk thank God.

If you could work with Hardasnails I feel he could help you a lot send him an

Email talk to him about this.

To give you an Idea what I take for supplements here is my list most of the

things I am taking are for my Heart, Thyroid and the Statin Drug damage. And

Hardasnails helped me with this and my Dr.'s approved of them.

After my Heart surgery and I seen my Heart Dr. he wanted a list of all my meds

and supplements.

My wife told the Dr. don't you think is is a bit much all them supplements he

takes what a waste of money. He looked at her funny and told her he feels them

supplements are why I am a live.

===================================================

Supplements

• TMG 750mg 1pm and 11pm 2 pills a day.

• Solary Super Bio C 2 x’s/day 1000 mgs. Total.

• l-Arginine and l-Orthinine 100 Capsules, 750 mg, Twinlab 1 at bedtime.

• NOW brand ZMA 800mgs 3 at bedtime.

• Copper 2mgs 1 at noon.

• Dr. Cranton's PrimeNutrients 3/day.

• Biotics Bio-D-Mulsion Forte Vit. D 2000 IU's per drop I am doing 10 drops a

day.

• Iodoral Iodine 1 tab / day 12.5 mgs.

• I went with NOW brand for the following supplements do to a high levels on

a Homocysteine Cardiovascular and below normal level of Folate RBC labs.

• NAC N-Acetyl Cysteine, Selenium, Molybdenum - 600 mg.

• B-12 (Brain) Methylcobalamin - 5000 mcg lozenges. 3x’s/week.

• Coenzyme B Complex.

• P-5-P (Coenzyme B6) 50 mg.

• I am taking 800 mcg. Folacal for low Folate RBC.

• BioCitrate Selenium - 200 mcg 1x’s / day morning.

• Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh (400mgs) 3x’s/day mercola.com.

• Lecithin 1200 mgs 3 caps 2x’s/day.

• Acetyl-L Carnitine 500 mg 3x’s/day.

• Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg/day.

• Life Extension, PQQ Caps with Bio PQQ, 10 mg, 2x’s /day.

• Krill Oil capliques 1,000 mgs. 2 with food morning mercola.com.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...>

> Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance please

>

> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:30 PM

> Hi Philip

> First of all I am sorry to hear you are in a lot of pain.

> It must make it very difficult for you to function on a

> daily basis. I hope that you can find a point of balance

> where it is at least tolerable for you. It makes what you do

> here even more valuable so I thank you for your unselfish

> help right from my heart.

> Re Tertroxin I have a structured reverse engineered if you

> like schedule of reducing by 5mcg every 3 days providing

> there are no adverse reactions. This is similar to how I

> titrated up to 40mcg in the first place only I moved up

> every 4-5 days being extra cautious.

> I am monitoring BPs and temps as I did on the way up.

> Hard to say if I feel better but I don't feel any worse I

> guess. My tremor is still there and I still can't gain

> weight or muscle.

> As I understand it my blood should have cleared RT3 at

> around 6-8 weeks but it takes a similar time agagin to clear

> the RT3 from the T3 receptor cells throughout the body. I am

> not sure that I have gotten to that point. Certainly there

> has been no defining moment or identifiable marker thus

> far.

> I am heartened by your ability to reduce your Estradiol and

> raise your free Testosterone after such a long time with

> high Estradiol. I note that your SHBG normalised itself with

> this treatment. Hopefully I can have a similar outcome by

> using DIM of some sort

> Yes I regularly keep diary notes on how I am progressing

> and I will be taking it slow with the red meat. Just a very

> small portion to start with as I am not sure how my body

> will react to this after 21 years.

> Thanks Philip

> Wayne 

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi guys

> > > > >

> > > > > My first post here on this informative

> board

> > > which was highly

> > > > > recommended to me by Lethal Lee.

> > > > > I have been monitoring the posts in

> this forum

> > > for a little while and

> > > > > have read through many of the reports

> in the file

> > > section which I found

> > > > > very helpful so a big thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My story is that I have been bouncing

> around

> > > within the Australian

> > > > > allopathic medical system for the last

> 5 years

> > > without a creditable

> > > > > answer or a helpful diagnosis of what I

> believe

> > > are my RT3 / Adrenal/

> > > > > Hormonal and low ferritin problem(s).

> > > > >

> > > > > My comprehensive details are as

> follows. I know

> > > it is a lot so please

> > > > > excuse the length of this initial post

> but I

> > > thought I should get it all

> > > > > out there. If somebody could take the

> time and

> > > effort to provide some

> > > > > helpful guidance and advice it may

> assist me to

> > > finally move in the

> > > > > direction of solving my problem(s). For

> this I

> > > would be eternally

> > > > > grateful and hopefully a whole lot

> healthier.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been over on the RT3 and the NTH

> Adrenal

> > > forums looking for

> > > > > answers as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > My details

> > > > >

> > > > >   Male 59 years  182 cm or

> 6'

> > > tall

> > > > > Currently 70 kilograms or 154 lbs

> (normal range

> > > 70 kgs to maybe 75kgs at

> > > > > heaviest)

> > > > > Try to keep  fit attending gym 5

> nights

> > > weekly for running and weights

> > > > >

> > > > > Resting Heart Rate 55 to 65 BPM 

> (when well

> > > and fit) currently though

> > > > > mostly higher

> > > > > Under a lot of ongoing stress which

> can't be

> > > solved immediately

> > > > >

> > > > > Gallbladder was removed in 1990 which

> was my

> > > turning point to eating

> > > > > healthy

> > > > >

> > > > > Vegetarian eating seafood, cheese and

> eggs.

> > > Recently added chicken back

> > > > > in. Try and focus on raw foods as much

> as I can.

> > > > >

> > > > > Use Himalayan Salt on food and drink

> Celtic Sea

> > > Salt ½ tsp 3 x p/d

> > > > > for low sodium

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been working on raising my

> chronic low

> > > ferritin levels, lowering

> > > > > my stress load, lowering my RT3 levels,

> raising

> > > my Aldosterone, sodium

> > > > > and potassium, supporting my adrenals,

> improving

> > > digestion and

> > > > > absorption and trying to put on some

> weight, both

> > > muscle and fat.

> > > > >

> > > > > But with my latest serum Estradiol and

> SHBG 

> > > results I now need to focus

> > > > > on my sex hormones again as well, hence

> I am

> > > here. Hope you guys can

> > > > > help me!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prescribed Drugs

> > > > >

> > > > > Tertroxin ( Liothyronine) currently

> 40mcg daily

> > > in split doses, since

> > > > > September 29 2010.  Hoping to wean

> myself

> > > from this gradually in

> > > > > February/March. Have been aiming for

> RT3 cellular

> > > clearance but not sure

> > > > > if that is going to happen or not as I

> am on a

> > > lowish dose and wary of

> > > > > going higher especially without any

> HC??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Current Supplements per day

> > > > >

> > > > > " Ethical Nutrients Iron Plus " 20 mg

> Iron x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Thorne Iron Picollinate 25mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Iron Bisglycinate 18mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Fish oil 1000mg x 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Krill oil 1000mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Healthy Origins Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg x

> 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Total Balance Multi x 7 tabs Premium

> combination

> > > from NZ

> > > > >

> > > > > Vit D x 1000iu x 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate & Chondroiton

> 1500mg x

> > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Prostate Complete x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Ultra Zinc 46mg x 1 every 2nd day as

> already

> > > getting 30mg daily in other

> > > > > supps

> > > > >

> > > > > Magnesium oil  Ancient Minerals x

> 100mg

> > > elemental Magnesium on skin,

> > > > >

> > > > > Morning smoothie with Flaxseeds,

> slippery elm,

> > > psyllium husks, WPI,

> > > > > coconut oil, blueberries, almonds,

> yoghurt,

> > > coconut cream and rice milk.

> > > > > Have been including Maca 1 tsp but

> currently just

> > > cycling it off and

> > > > > will add it back in 2 weeks or so along

> with

> > > LGlutamine ½ tsp x 2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently added supplements (24th

> December 2010)

> > > to target sex hormones

> > > > > and adrenals mostly

> > > > >

> > > > > Natures Way DIM Plus x 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Metabolic Maintenance DIM Complex x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > LEF Super MiraForte x 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Tru C 400mg x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Ascorbic Palmitate Vit C 500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Thorne Basic B Complex (active) x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Licorice x 450mg x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Doctors Best Proteolitic Enzymes x 2-3

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Super Digestive Enzymes x 2 with

> each meal

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Rhodiola 500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > LEF Super Zeaxanthan x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > My ND injected 500mg then 1000mg

> Glutathione in

> > > December

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently ceased supplements

> > > > >

> > > > > Bio identical DHEA caps 25mg p/d 

> ceased 6th

> > > July 10

> > > > >

> > > > > Bio identical Testosterone cream

> ceased 

> > > 21st May 10

> > > > >

> > > > > ALA

> > > > >

> > > > > Chelorex x 16 (for metals chelating)

> Vit E, C,

> > > Selenium

> > > > >

> > > > > Evening Primrose oil 3 caps (ceased)

> > > > >

> > > > > Indolplex

> > > > >

> > > > > EstroSense

> > > > >

> > > > > Chrysin cream 5%

> > > > >

> > > > > Chrysin cream 10%

> > > > >

> > > > > ExtremeY x 1 tab, mens mix includes

> Ashwaganda

> > > 300mg, Ginsengs, Ginko

> > > > > etc (Ceased on Vals advice re Korean

> ginseng and

> > > Ginko as too

> > > > > stimulating for struggling adrenal

> glands)

> > > > >

> > > > > Testoroid/Erectomax

> > > > >

> > > > > Licorice Root 1 x 2 p/d  from Dec

> 1st Have

> > > replaced with Now brand

> > > > >

> > > > > Herbs of Gold Stress Ease

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently ceased supplements that may

> have been

> > > hindering iron absorption

> > > > >

> > > > > pHour Salts alkalising salts copious

> amounts in

> > > water consisting of

> > > > > calcium, sodium ,magnesium and

> potassium

> > > bicarbonates

> > > > >

> > > > > Longevinex x 1 caps Resveratrol,

> quercetin,

> > > phytate and grape seed mix

> > > > >

> > > > > Vit D continue to take but may have

> some effect

> > > with Calcium on iron

> > > > > absorption???

> > > > >

> > > > > Green tea within 4 hours of iron and

> meals.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Note as a mostly vegetarian, by

> definition I

> > > consume mostly vegetables

> > > > > which I now understand contain phytates

> that

> > > hinder iron absorption.???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Symptoms

> > > > >

> > > > > Very cold hands and feet, worse in

> winter to the

> > > point of

> > > > > " stinging " ,

> > > > >

> > > > > fine tremor throughout entire body

> always

> > > present,  recent occasional

> > > > > tightness in the neck area, sunken

> cheeks, very

> > > gaunt sickly facial

> > > > > appearance, dark circles under eyes,

> dry nostrils

> > > sometimes,  episodes

> > > > > of higher Blood pressure last year but

> low BPs in

> > > more recent times

> > > > > along with raised pulse, low serum

> free

> > > testosterone not reacting to

> > > > > supplementation, night sweats

> sometimes, unable

> > > to put on /maintain

> > > > > weight despite 3000kcal diet and

> regular weights

> > > workouts, exceptionally

> > > > > poor thin skin quality beyond age

> related

> > > expectation, eyes cloudy not

> > > > > clear, rapidly thinning hair, outer

> 1/3rd

> > > eyebrows gone, lower back pain

> > > > > sometimes feels like maybe kidney

> pain?? , Quite

> > > often I feel a general

> > > > > unwell feeling and I am not thriving

> despite all

> > > the considerable effort

> > > > > with lifestyle, exercise and diet.

> Recent 10k

> > > race sent my HR to 209

> > > > > when previously it would only reach 175

> to

> > > 180max

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I must add that at this stage I do not

> have a lot

> > > of the seriously

> > > > > debilitating symptoms that a lot of

> folk here and

> > > the other forums seem

> > > > > to suffer from thankfully. I go to

> sleep

> > > reasonably easy most nights and

> > > > > pretty much sleep through for 7 to 8

> hours (some

> > > nights a bathroom visit

> > > > > is required) but I do not wake

> refreshed but

> > > rather sluggish actually.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a regular runner and I am able to

> do this

> > > and remain competitive

> > > > > without overly undue exhaustion or air

> hunger

> > > although this seems to be

> > > > > getting more difficult in recent times.

> But maybe

> > > this is because I have

> > > > > been stopping some of  my runs and

> have

> > > replaced some with walks so as

> > > > > not to overtax my adrenals so they can

> heal,

> > > hopefully. I am not

> > > > > diabetic, depressed, manic, brain

> fogged on drugs

> > > of any kind or

> > > > > suffering from any formally identified

> illness. I

> > > have never had any

> > > > > known problem with my Thyroid until I

> discovered

> > > the RT3 site and

> > > > > started researching and

> testing….thankfully.

> > > Although in the back of

> > > > > my mind I had harboured a question mark

> over my

> > > Thyroid for some time.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So it would seem that I  have 

> RT3

> > > resistance in the cells , sluggish

> > > > > Adrenals, low ferritin, high SHBG, high

> Estradiol

> > > and low free

> > > > > Testosterone, mid range Total

> Testosterone and

> > > maybe low cortisol as

> > > > > well as low Aldosterone, sodium and

> > > potassium.???. Not withstanding that

> > > > > my main problems as outlined above

> under

> > > " Symptoms " are severe

> > > > > enough that they impact negatively on

> my quality

> > > of life and I

> > > > > absolutely need to fix them…with

> your help, I

> > > function sort of ok on

> > > > > a daily basis but I am very concerned

> about my

> > > Estradiol levels and my

> > > > > unwell gaunt appearance is sending a

> message.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For the last 2 years or so I have been

> using both

> > > bio identical DHEA,

> > > > > Chrysin cream and Testosterone cream in

> an effort

> > > to normalize my sex

> > > > > hormone levels. Whilst the DHEA did

> seem to work

> > > with good results I was

> > > > > concerned about the greater inbalance

> that this

> > > was creating with the

> > > > > free Testosterone which was not

> rising.

> > > > >

> > > > > So I have decided to cease all of these

> until I

> > > fully address my

> > > > > suspected Adrenal/RT3 problem as I

> suspect that

> > > this issue may also be

> > > > > somewhat contributing to the mid range

> DHEA and

> > > low free Testosterone

> > > > > and high SHBG and especially my latest

> high

> > > Estradiol (at 192 or 52.3)

> > > > >

> > > > > But that's only my thoughts , what do

> others

> > > think?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My theory is that my thyroid is

> probably somewhat

> > > normal in producing

> > > > > T4/T3 but the main problem is the

> mis-conversion

> > > of T4 to RT3 due to 20

> > > > > years of vegetarianism contributing to

> chronic

> > > low ferritin levels plus

> > > > > the significant stress upon me in the

> last 5

> > > years (which is when my

> > > > > main symptons first manifested)

> combining to

> > > produce my resistance in

> > > > > the cell receptors?

> > > > >

> > > > > My aim is to support my adrenals

> hopefully with

> > > only Adaptogens and

> > > > > vitamin supplements, continue to raise

> my

> > > ferritin levels with iron

> > > > > tabs, clear my RT3 with T3 only in 12

> to 16 weeks

> > > or so then wean off

> > > > > the T3 after clearance allowing my then

> supported

> > > adrenals and increased

> > > > > ferritin levels to promote normal

> function of

> > > conversion of T4 to T3 by

> > > > > my thyroid?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I enclose the results of my last 2

> Saliva tests

> > > in July and September

> > > > > 2010

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Salivary Cortisol  19th July

> 2010 

> > >          and   

> > >                

> > >      

> > > > > 13th  Sept

> > > > >

> > > > > 8am            43.2

> > > H   (6.0 †" 42.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 34.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Midday     

> > >    3.4      (0.0 †" 11.0

> > > nmol/L)

> > > > > 7.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4pm           

> > >   3.8       (2.0 †" 11.0

> > > nmol/L)

> > > > > 3.3

> > > > >

> > > > > 8pm           

> > >   3.2       (1.0 †" 8.0

> > > nmol/L)

> > > > > 0.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Daily total   53.6 

> > >    (11.0 †" 76.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 46.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Midnight      3.1   

> > >    (0.0 †" 5.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 3.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Melatonin Midnight   10 

> (10

> > > †" 40 pg/mL)

> > > > > 6.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Androgens

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEAS am           

> > >              

> > >    7.3     

> > >    (5.0 †" 30.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 6.7

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio   

> > >    0.17 L    (0.20 †" 0.60

> ratio)

> > > > > 0.2

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone         

> > >              

> > >    370          (100

> > > †" 720

> > > > > pmol/L)

> > > > >

> > > > > Progesterone (P4)       

> > >            139 

> > >          < 159pmol/L

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Estrogens

> > > > >

> > > > > Estradiol (E2)         

> > >                

> > > 5.0            <6 pmol/L

> > > > > 3.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Estrone (E1)         

> > >              

> > >    23.0 H       (9.6

> > > †" 20.0

> > > > > pg/mL)        25.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Estriol (E3)         

> > >                

> > >   <1.0       

> > >    (0.00 †" 25.0)

> > > > > pg/mL      <1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > E3/ [E2+E1]         

> > >              

> > >    0.04 L        >1.0

> > > Ratio

> > > > > 0.04

> > > > >

> > > > > P4/E2 Ratio         

> > >                

> > >   27.8       

> > >    (4.0 †" 108.0

> > > > > Ratio)

> > > > >

> > > > > Note I had been taking Ashwaganda 300mg

> plus

> > > other ingredients contained

> > > > > in my " Nutra Life Extreme Y " Male

> supplement up

> > > to 24 hours

> > > > > prior to the July test but not for the

> September

> > > test.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > These below were part of the July test

> results of

> > > urine

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Spot

> > > > >

> > > > > Creatinine Urine Spot 

> > >    4.6     (6.5 †"

> > > 15.0)     mmol/L

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Iodine         

> > >           73     

> > >                

> > >    ug/L

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Iodine corrected   

> 140.4 

> > >                

> > >    ug/gCR

> > > > >

> > > > > Notes: Normal iodine status >100ug

> Iodine /g

> > > creatinine

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine 24 hour

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone, urine       

> > >            0.9 

> > >    (0.6 †" 2.2)   umol/24h

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I also include some of my blood test

> history

> > > through 2010

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >                

> > >        Blood tests

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Feb-10

> > > > >

> > > > > May-10

> > > > >

> > > > > Jun-10

> > > > >

> > > > > July/Aug/ Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 10

> > > > >

> > > > > Component

> > > > >

> > > > > Range

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > S & N Labs

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone total

> > > > >

> > > > > 10--33

> > > > >

> > > > > 24

> > > > >

> > > > > 22

> > > > >

> > > > > 18.6

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > > 24    22    21    22

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone free

> > > > >

> > > > > 40-100

> > > > >

> > > > > 42

> > > > >

> > > > > 29

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > > 28    20    19    18

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone free calc

> > > > >

> > > > > 260-740

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 265

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Oestradiol

> > > > >

> > > > > 40-250

> > > > >

> > > > > 162

> > > > >

> > > > > 131

> > > > >

> > > > > 89

> > > > >

> > > > >    155  155 

> > > 122   150   192

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > >

> > > > > 300-2700

> > > > >

> > > > > 1600

> > > > >

> > > > > 2300

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >     1300   1300

> > > > >

> > > > > SHBG

> > > > >

> > > > > 13-71

> > > > >

> > > > > 57

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 59

> > > > >

> > > > >          60   

> > >   56       81 

> > >    79

> > > > >

> > > > > 17 OH Pregnenolone

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.0-10.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hydroxy-Progesterone

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.2--1.8

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.3

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > DHT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prolactin

> > > > >

> > > > > <15

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Luteinizing hormone

> > > > >

> > > > > 3--20

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >            5

> > > > >

> > > > > Follicle Stimulating

> > > > >

> > > > > 3--20

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >           17

> > > > >

> > > > > Cotrisol 24 hour urine

> > > > >

> > > > > 80-590

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Cortisol

> > > > >

> > > > > 190-610

> > > > >

> > > > > 320

> > > > >

> > > > > 360

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 450   530    520 

> > > 470    370

> > > > >

> > > > > ACTH

> > > > >

> > > > > 5--50

> > > > >

> > > > > 21

> > > > >

> > > > > 24

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >    22     43 

> > >     32           

> > >   29

> > > > >

> > > > > Adrenaline

> > > > >

> > > > > <1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Noradenaline

> > > > >

> > > > > <3.5

> > > > >

> > > > >         

> > >    5.9+

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Normetadrenaline free

> > > > >

> > > > > <900

> > > > >

> > > > > 308

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Metadrenaline free

> > > > >

> > > > > <500

> > > > >

> > > > > 145

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > HbA1c

> > > > >

> > > > > <6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PSA

> > > > >

> > > > > <3.20

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.48

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.52

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >       0.38         

> > > 0.45

> > > > >

> > > > > Cholesterol

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.9-7.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.1

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.7    4.9    4.2 

> > >   4.7   4.6

> > > > >

> > > > > Triglycerides

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.3-2.2

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.5    0.6 

> > >    0.5   0.4    0.4

> > > > >

> > > > > ESR

> > > > >

> > > > > 1--20

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Ferritin Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 20-320

> > > > >

> > > > > 48

> > > > >

> > > > > 42

> > > > >

> > > > > 60   /  40

> > > > >

> > > > > 61    55     

> > > 55   60  57   66

> > > > >

> > > > > Iron

> > > > >

> > > > > 10--33

> > > > >

> > > > > 18

> > > > >

> > > > > 29

> > > > >

> > > > > 17   /  18

> > > > >

> > > > > 32    25     

> > > 24   25  16  13

> > > > >

> > > > > Transferrin IBC

> > > > >

> > > > > 45 - 70

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 69  /   61

> > > > >

> > > > > 71    68     

> > > 59   64  61   61

> > > > >

> > > > > Transferrin Saturation %

> > > > >

> > > > > 16 - 50

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 25  / 29

> > > > >

> > > > > 45    37      41 

> > > 39   26   21

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Vit B12 Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 162-811

> > > > >

> > > > >            888+

> > > > >

> > > > > 354

> > > > >

> > > > > 453

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >                

> > >                

> > >                

> > >            

> > > > > 902+

> > > > >

> > > > > Red cell Magnesium

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.2-7.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum zinc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >         16

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucose

> > > > >

> > > > > 3-6 fasting

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.3

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.4

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >          5.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Homocysteine

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.0-15.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 7

> > > > >

> > > > > 11

> > > > >

> > > > > 8.1

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >         6.7

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin D 25hydroxy

> > > > >

> > > > > 50-300

> > > > >

> > > > > 160

> > > > >

> > > > > 160

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     140  120 

> > >               140

> > > > >

> > > > > Albumin

> > > > >

> > > > > 35-50

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 43

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >           41  43  45

> > > > >

> > > > > Globulins

> > > > >

> > > > > 20-40

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 27

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >           24  24  25

> > > > >

> > > > > Renin

> > > > >

> > > > > 3 -- 40

> > > > >

> > > > > 32

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 64+           

> > >    22  31  44

> > > > >

> > > > > Aldosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > 100-950

> > > > >

> > > > > 190

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 440           

> > >   250  210 280

> > > > >

> > > > > Aldosterone/Renin ratio

> > > > >

> > > > > 2--75

> > > > >

> > > > > 6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 7             

> > >       11     7 

> > >    6

> > > > >

> > > > > Red Cell Folate Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 545-3370

> > > > >

> > > > > 869

> > > > >

> > > > > 556

> > > > >

> > > > > 2343

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >      1113

> > > > >

> > > > > THS

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.4-4.00

> > > > >

> > > > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.7

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.1

> > > > >

> > > > >       

> > >

>    0.9   0.1   0.3 

> > >   0.07

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T4

> > > > >

> > > > > 10 - 20

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >            19 

> > >   13    13       11

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T3

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.8 - 6.8

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >       

> > >

>    4.8   5.9   4.8 

> > >     6.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

> > > > >

> > > > > <60

> > > > >

> > > > > 39

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >           

> > >    42  22

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

> > > > >

> > > > > <60

> > > > >

> > > > > 18

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >   43  53

> > > > >

> > > > > Red Cell Porphryn

> > > > >

> > > > > 0--900

> > > > >

> > > > > 430

> > > > >

> > > > > 530

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Reverse T3

> > > > >

> > > > > 170--450

> > > > >

> > > > >            462+

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 449

> > > > >

> > > > > 540+

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Leptin

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.0 - 5.6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sodium

> > > > >

> > > > > 137 - 147

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 142

> > > > >

> > > > > 140

> > > > >

> > > > >       140   

> > > 138     139     138

> > > > >

> > > > > Potassium

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.5 - 5.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > >

> > > > >        4.8 

> > >    4.3      4.5   

> > >   3.9

> > > > >

> > > > > Calcium

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.25- 2.65

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.46

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.43

> > > > >

> > > > >     

> > > 2.64   2.49 

> > >    2.37   2.49

> > > > >

> > > > > Billirubin Total

> > > > >

> > > > > 2 -- 20

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > > 23+

> > > > >

> > > > >         21 

> > >     18        22   

> > >   14

> > > > >

> > > > > Billirubin Direct

> > > > >

> > > > > 0 -- 8

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 7

> > > > >

> > > > >             

> > >    6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Questions

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Am I hopefully on the right track

> with the

> > > DIM, Super MiraForte and

> > > > > other supplements targeting

> improvements in the

> > > sex hormones??

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. What else do I need to do and what

> has been

> > > the experience of those

> > > > > here with any of the above supps?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Are any of my vast array of

> supplements etc

> > > likely to be working

> > > > > against me?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. I am unsure of my real iodine status

> (despite

> > > spot test) so have

> > > > > stayed away from most identified iodine

> but not

> > > sure if this is the

> > > > > right approach or the wrong approach so

> any

> > > suggestions might be

> > > > > helpful.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Does anyone know how to safely

> increase my

> > > Aldosterone levels or how

> > > > > much Licorice is safe to take and for

> how long?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. It seems that taking salt for low

> sodium may

> > > contribute in driving

> > > > > Aldosterone down so how do I raise

> sodium,

> > > Aldosterone, potassium and

> > > > > also keep calcium from elevating?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am open to all comments and will very

> much

> > > welcome your input on any

> > > > > aspect of the above as I feel I am now

> > > desperately struggling with all

> > > > > this and can't really see my way

> forward.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgive me for the length of this post

> but I just

> > > need to get everything

> > > > > out there for completeness.

> > > > > The big question is what do I do now?

> Hopefully I

> > > will receive some

> > > > > valuable advice and guidance from this

> informed

> > > community.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindest regards and warmest thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Wayne

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you it's a work in progress I just ordered some PQQ lets see if this

helps.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: In need of help and guidance please

>

> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:35 PM

> I sincerely agree. Get healthier

> Phil.

>

> Re: In need of help and guidance

> please

>

>

> Hi Philip

> First of all I am sorry to hear you are in a lot of pain.

> It must make it very difficult for you to function on a

> daily basis. I hope that you can find a point of balance

> where it is at least tolerable for you. It makes what you do

> here even more valuable so I thank you for your unselfish

> help right from my heart.

> Re Tertroxin I have a structured reverse engineered if you

> like schedule of reducing by 5mcg every 3 days providing

> there are no adverse reactions. This is similar to how I

> titrated up to 40mcg in the first place only I moved up

> every 4-5 days being extra cautious.

> I am monitoring BPs and temps as I did on the way up.

> Hard to say if I feel better but I don't feel any worse I

> guess. My tremor is still there and I still can't gain

> weight or muscle.

> As I understand it my blood should have cleared RT3 at

> around 6-8 weeks but it takes a similar time agagin to clear

> the RT3 from the T3 receptor cells throughout the body. I am

> not sure that I have gotten to that point. Certainly there

> has been no defining moment or identifiable marker thus

> far.

> I am heartened by your ability to reduce your Estradiol

> and raise your free Testosterone after such a long time with

> high Estradiol. I note that your SHBG normalised itself with

> this treatment. Hopefully I can have a similar outcome by

> using DIM of some sort

> Yes I regularly keep diary notes on how I am progressing

> and I will be taking it slow with the red meat. Just a very

> small portion to start with as I a

>

> [The entire original message is not included]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wayne,

Before I talk about labs her is a dam good link about Adrenal Fatigue and

Cortisol 101

By F. Hotze, M.D.

http://hotzehwc.com/attachments/wysiwyg/2/AdrenalFatigueandCortisol101.pdf

Cortisol fasting morning blood labs are the best to tell how your levels are.

But will not tell you how your doing across the day. So this is where Saliva

Testing helps doing a 4x's in a day saliva test shows how your levels are from

morning to night. In them labs it's not about the level so much as about it's

being normal, high in the morning going down by bed time. People with AI can be

high in the morning and at night and this is way they don't sleep.

In the Saliva testing the labs through in Sex Hormones but they never match up

with the blood labs or by how the man is feeling.

For one thing blood testosterone shows the Total in the body but Saliva shows

the Free in the body. Did you know that the % of all your Free Testosterone is

1 to 2 % of your Total Testosterone. So if your TT is 120 want good is a high

FT. Zero from Zero is Zero I have see a lot of 4x's in a day Saliva labs for

people at my old Thyroid forum. Every man that had them was upset about the Sex

Hormones for there levels of Testosteone and Estraidol. Some came in very high

other very low some did the labs over again and the first set showed them very

low the next showed them very high.

I have been over this debate many time about what is best for Sex Hormones

Saliva or Blood. When your first tested you need blood labs to see why your low

checking LH and FSH. Some of the top Hormone Dr.'s in the world don't do Saliva

for Sex Hormones the start with blood labs then do 24 hr Urine labs.

If you did a search witch is best you would be there all day reading crap put

out by this Saliva labs saying how good they are. It's all about money the top

male Hormone Dr.'s don't test Sex Hormones in men doing Saliva.

You should go to Dr. 's forum and read the Mod Chilln's Sticky called

" Hormones 101 " I feel this will help you because your not on TRT and my never

need it. You might need to join to read it but it's one of the best forums for

men out there. I post that everyday.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

As for chrysin never lowered my Estradiol levels and in men this is the bad guy

Estradiol getting this down the rest fall in line.

With your DIM it has no Indolplex in it so it gets killed in your stomach. Try

opening the caps and taking them in a tsp of oil.

As of

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...>

> Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance please

>

> Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:40 PM

>

> Hi Phil

>

> It is interesting that the man who advised me to have my

> hormones tested

> in saliva as they are far more accurate was the same Dr

> Serafin

> that we spoke of before. He was the man who compounded my

> chrysin creams

> but was honest enough to advise that he was doubtful they

> would do the

> trick. I can now concur with him.

>

> So I attach a link back to the same site you earlier

> provided a link for

> but to a different page. it is interesting reading in a

> simple language

> that even I can readily absorb.

>

> http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/41/

> <http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/41/>

>

> An extract follows

>

> 3) Saliva testing measures the free and therefore

> biologically active

> form of several of the major hormones in saliva –

> estriol,

> estradiol, estrone, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA and

> cortisol.

> Saliva tests have been proven to be an accurate reflection

> of hormone

> levels present inside cells, where the hormone action takes

> place,

> whereas blood tests measure hormones outside the cells. It

> is considered

> to be the gold standard for hormone analysis by the World

> Health

> Organisation (WHO) and even used by NASA. Despite the

> WHO's

> recommendation to use saliva hormone testing and all the

> research to

> back up its accuracy it is often the most criticised and

> neglected

> method by medical practitioners, many whom refuse to order

> such tests as

> they are not informed of the differences and usually state

> there is no

> research to validate saliva testing. Click here

> <

[Guest guest]

can saliva/blood spot be done for male E2?

From: hardasnails1973@...

Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:15:45 +0000

Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance please

Saliva and blood spot testing for hormones is inaccurate for everything

except saliva cortisol for males feamles progesterone and estrodial should be

fine

> > > >

> > > > > From: gcaussieman gcaussieman@

> > > > > Subject: In need of help and

> > > guidance please

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi guys

> > > > >

> > > > > My first post here on this informative board

> > > which was

> > > > > highly

> > > > > recommended to me by Lethal Lee.

> > > > > I have been monitoring the posts in this forum

> > > for a little

> > > > > while and

> > > > > have read through many of the reports in the file

> > > section

> > > > > which I found

> > > > > very helpful so a big thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My story is that I have been bouncing around

> > > within the

> > > > > Australian

> > > > > allopathic medical system for the last 5 years

> > > without a

> > > > > creditable

> > > > > answer or a helpful diagnosis of what I believe

> > > are my RT3

> > > > > / Adrenal/

> > > > > Hormonal and low ferritin problem(s).

> > > > >

> > > > > My comprehensive details are as follows. I know

> > > it is a lot

> > > > > so please

> > > > > excuse the length of this initial post but I

> > > thought I

> > > > > should get it all

> > > > > out there. If somebody could take the time and

> > > effort to

> > > > > provide some

> > > > > helpful guidance and advice it may assist me to

> > > finally

> > > > > move in the

> > > > > direction of solving my problem(s). For this I

> > > would be

> > > > > eternally

> > > > > grateful and hopefully a whole lot healthier.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been over on the RT3 and the NTH Adrenal

> > > forums

> > > > > looking for

> > > > > answers as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > My details

> > > > >

> > > > >  Male 59 years 182 cm or 6' tall

> > > > > Currently 70 kilograms or 154 lbs (normal range

> > > 70 kgs to

> > > > > maybe 75kgs at

> > > > > heaviest)

> > > > > Try to keep fit attending gym 5 nights

> > > weekly for

> > > > > running and weights

> > > > >

> > > > > Resting Heart Rate 55 to 65 BPM (when

> > > well and fit)

> > > > > currently though

> > > > > mostly higher

> > > > > Under a lot of ongoing stress which can't be

> > > solved

> > > > > immediately

> > > > >

> > > > > Gallbladder was removed in 1990 which was my

> > > turning point

> > > > > to eating

> > > > > healthy

> > > > >

> > > > > Vegetarian eating seafood, cheese and eggs.

> > > Recently added

> > > > > chicken back

> > > > > in. Try and focus on raw foods as much as I can.

> > > > >

> > > > > Use Himalayan Salt on food and drink Celtic Sea

> > > Salt ½ tsp

> > > > > 3 x p/d

> > > > > for low sodium

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been working on raising my chronic low

> > > ferritin

> > > > > levels, lowering

> > > > > my stress load, lowering my RT3 levels, raising

> > > my

> > > > > Aldosterone, sodium

> > > > > and potassium, supporting my adrenals, improving

> > > digestion

> > > > > and

> > > > > absorption and trying to put on some weight, both

> > > muscle

> > > > > and fat.

> > > > >

> > > > > But with my latest serum Estradiol and

> > > SHBG results I

> > > > > now need to focus

> > > > > on my sex hormones again as well, hence I am

> > > here. Hope you

> > > > > guys can

> > > > > help me!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prescribed Drugs

> > > > >

> > > > > Tertroxin ( Liothyronine) currently 40mcg daily

> > > in split

> > > > > doses, since

> > > > > September 29 2010. Hoping to wean myself

> > > from this

> > > > > gradually in

> > > > > February/March. Have been aiming for RT3 cellular

> > > clearance

> > > > > but not sure

> > > > > if that is going to happen or not as I am on a

> > > lowish dose

> > > > > and wary of

> > > > > going higher especially without any HC??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Current Supplements per day

> > > > >

> > > > > " Ethical Nutrients Iron Plus " 20 mg Iron x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Thorne Iron Picollinate 25mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Iron Bisglycinate 18mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Fish oil 1000mg x 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Krill oil 1000mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Healthy Origins Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Total Balance Multi x 7 tabs Premium combination

> > > from NZ

> > > > >

> > > > > Vit D x 1000iu x 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate & Chondroiton 1500mg x

> > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Prostate Complete x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Ultra Zinc 46mg x 1 every 2nd day as already

> > > getting 30mg

> > > > > daily in other

> > > > > supps

> > > > >

> > > > > Magnesium oil Ancient Minerals x 100mg

> > > elemental

> > > > > Magnesium on skin,

> > > > >

> > > > > Morning smoothie with Flaxseeds, slippery elm,

> > > psyllium

> > > > > husks, WPI,

> > > > > coconut oil, blueberries, almonds, yoghurt,

> > > coconut cream

> > > > > and rice milk.

> > > > > Have been including Maca 1 tsp but currently just

> > > cycling

> > > > > it off and

> > > > > will add it back in 2 weeks or so along with

> > > LGlutamine ½

> > > > > tsp x 2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently added supplements (24th December 2010)

> > > to target

> > > > > sex hormones

> > > > > and adrenals mostly

> > > > >

> > > > > Natures Way DIM Plus x 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Metabolic Maintenance DIM Complex x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > LEF Super MiraForte x 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Tru C 400mg x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Ascorbic Palmitate Vit C 500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Thorne Basic B Complex (active) x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Licorice x 450mg x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Doctors Best Proteolitic Enzymes x 2-3

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Super Digestive Enzymes x 2 with each meal

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Rhodiola 500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > LEF Super Zeaxanthan x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > My ND injected 500mg then 1000mg Glutathione in

> > > December

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently ceased supplements

> > > > >

> > > > > Bio identical DHEA caps 25mg p/d ceased

> > > 6th July 10

> > > > >

> > > > > Bio identical Testosterone cream ceasedÂÂ

> > > 21st May 10

> > > > >

> > > > > ALA

> > > > >

> > > > > Chelorex x 16 (for metals chelating) Vit E, C,

> > > Selenium

> > > > >

> > > > > Evening Primrose oil 3 caps (ceased)

> > > > >

> > > > > Indolplex

> > > > >

> > > > > EstroSense

> > > > >

> > > > > Chrysin cream 5%

> > > > >

> > > > > Chrysin cream 10%

> > > > >

> > > > > ExtremeY x 1 tab, mens mix includes Ashwaganda

> > > 300mg,

> > > > > Ginsengs, Ginko

> > > > > etc (Ceased on Vals advice re Korean ginseng and

> > > Ginko as

> > > > > too

> > > > > stimulating for struggling adrenal glands)

> > > > >

> > > > > Testoroid/Erectomax

> > > > >

> > > > > Licorice Root 1 x 2 p/d from Dec 1st Have

> > > replaced

> > > > > with Now brand

> > > > >

> > > > > Herbs of Gold Stress Ease

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently ceased supplements that may have been

> > > hindering

> > > > > iron absorption

> > > > >

> > > > > pHour Salts alkalising salts copious amounts in

> > > water

> > > > > consisting of

> > > > > calcium, sodium ,magnesium and potassium

> > > bicarbonates

> > > > >

> > > > > Longevinex x 1 caps Resveratrol, quercetin,

> > > phytate and

> > > > > grape seed mix

> > > > >

> > > > > Vit D continue to take but may have some effect

> > > with

> > > > > Calcium on iron

> > > > > absorption???

> > > > >

> > > > > Green tea within 4 hours of iron and meals.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Note as a mostly vegetarian, by definition I

> > > consume mostly

> > > > > vegetables

> > > > > which I now understand contain phytates that

> > > hinder iron

> > > > > absorption.???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Symptoms

> > > > >

> > > > > Very cold hands and feet, worse in winter to the

> > > point of

> > > > > " stinging " ,

> > > > >

> > > > > fine tremor throughout entire body always

> > > present,Â

> > > > > recent occasional

> > > > > tightness in the neck area, sunken cheeks, very

> > > gaunt

> > > > > sickly facial

> > > > > appearance, dark circles under eyes, dry

> > > nostrils

> > > > > sometimes, episodes

> > > > > of higher Blood pressure last year but low BPs in

> > > more

> > > > > recent times

> > > > > along with raised pulse, low serum free

> > > testosterone not

> > > > > reacting to

> > > > > supplementation, night sweats sometimes, unable

> > > to put on

> > > > > /maintain

> > > > > weight despite 3000kcal diet and regular weights

> > > workouts,

> > > > > exceptionally

> > > > > poor thin skin quality beyond age related

> > > expectation, eyes

> > > > > cloudy not

> > > > > clear, rapidly thinning hair, outer 1/3rd

> > > eyebrows gone,

> > > > > lower back pain

> > > > > sometimes feels like maybe kidney pain?? , Quite

> > > often I

> > > > > feel a general

> > > > > unwell feeling and I am not thriving despite all

> > > the

> > > > > considerable effort

> > > > > with lifestyle, exercise and diet. Recent 10k

> > > race sent my

> > > > > HR to 209

> > > > > when previously it would only reach 175 to

> > > 180max

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I must add that at this stage I do not have a lot

> > > of the

> > > > > seriously

> > > > > debilitating symptoms that a lot of folk here and

> > > the other

> > > > > forums seem

> > > > > to suffer from thankfully. I go to sleep

> > > reasonably easy

> > > > > most nights and

> > > > > pretty much sleep through for 7 to 8 hours (some

> > > nights a

> > > > > bathroom visit

> > > > > is required) but I do not wake refreshed but

> > > rather

> > > > > sluggish actually.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a regular runner and I am able to do this

> > > and remain

> > > > > competitive

> > > > > without overly undue exhaustion or air hunger

> > > although this

> > > > > seems to be

> > > > > getting more difficult in recent times. But maybe

> > > this is

> > > > > because I have

> > > > > been stopping some of my runs and have

> > > replaced some

> > > > > with walks so as

> > > > > not to overtax my adrenals so they can heal,

> > > hopefully. I

> > > > > am not

> > > > > diabetic, depressed, manic, brain fogged on drugs

> > > of any

> > > > > kind or

> > > > > suffering from any formally identified illness. I

> > > have

> > > > > never had any

> > > > > known problem with my Thyroid until I discovered

> > > the RT3

> > > > > site and

> > > > > started researching and

> > > testing….thankfully. Although in

> > > > > the back of

> > > > > my mind I had harboured a question mark over my

> > > Thyroid for

> > > > > some time.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So it would seem that I have RT3

> > > resistance in

> > > > > the cells , sluggish

> > > > > Adrenals, low ferritin, high SHBG, high Estradiol

> > > and low

> > > > > free

> > > > > Testosterone, mid range Total Testosterone and

> > > maybe low

> > > > > cortisol as

> > > > > well as low Aldosterone, sodium and

> > > potassium.???. Not

> > > > > withstanding that

> > > > > my main problems as outlined above under

> > > " Symptoms " are

> > > > > severe

> > > > > enough that they impact negatively on my quality

> > > of life

> > > > > and I

> > > > > absolutely need to fix them…with your help,

> > > I function

> > > > > sort of ok on

> > > > > a daily basis but I am very concerned about my

> > > Estradiol

> > > > > levels and my

> > > > > unwell gaunt appearance is sending a message.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For the last 2 years or so I have been using both

> > > bio

> > > > > identical DHEA,

> > > > > Chrysin cream and Testosterone cream in an effort

> > > to

> > > > > normalize my sex

> > > > > hormone levels. Whilst the DHEA did seem to work

> > > with good

> > > > > results I was

> > > > > concerned about the greater inbalance that this

> > > was

> > > > > creating with the

> > > > > free Testosterone which was not rising.

> > > > >

> > > > > So I have decided to cease all of these until I

> > > fully

> > > > > address my

> > > > > suspected Adrenal/RT3 problem as I suspect that

> > > this issue

> > > > > may also be

> > > > > somewhat contributing to the mid range DHEA and

> > > low free

> > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > and high SHBG and especially my latest high

> > > Estradiol (at

> > > > > 192 or 52.3)

> > > > >

> > > > > But that's only my thoughts , what do others

> > > think?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My theory is that my thyroid is probably somewhat

> > > normal in

> > > > > producing

> > > > > T4/T3 but the main problem is the mis-conversion

> > > of T4 to

> > > > > RT3 due to 20

> > > > > years of vegetarianism contributing to chronic

> > > low ferritin

> > > > > levels plus

> > > > > the significant stress upon me in the last 5

> > > years (which

> > > > > is when my

> > > > > main symptons first manifested) combining to

> > > produce my

> > > > > resistance in

> > > > > the cell receptors?

> > > > >

> > > > > My aim is to support my adrenals hopefully with

> > > only

> > > > > Adaptogens and

> > > > > vitamin supplements, continue to raise my

> > > ferritin levels

> > > > > with iron

> > > > > tabs, clear my RT3 with T3 only in 12 to 16 weeks

> > > or so

> > > > > then wean off

> > > > > the T3 after clearance allowing my then supported

> > > adrenals

> > > > > and increased

> > > > > ferritin levels to promote normal function of

> > > conversion of

> > > > > T4 to T3 by

> > > > > my thyroid?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I enclose the results of my last 2 Saliva tests

> > > in July and

> > > > > September

> > > > > 2010

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Salivary Cortisol 19th July 2010ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >  Â Â Â and  ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > Â Â Â

> > > > > 13th Sept

> > > > >

> > > > > 8am    ÂÂ

> > >  43.2

> > > > > H   (6.0 †" 42.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 34.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Midday      3.4Â

> > > > >   (0.0 †" 11.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 7.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4pm    ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > 3.8     (2.0 †" 11.0

> > > nmol/L)

> > > > > 3.3

> > > > >

> > > > > 8pm    ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > 3.2     (1.0 †" 8.0

> > > nmol/L)

> > > > > 0.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Daily total   53.6Â

> > > > >    (11.0 †" 76.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 46.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Midnight   3.1ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >    (0.0 †" 5.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 3.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Melatonin Midnight   10 (10 †"

> > > 40

> > > > > pg/mL)

> > > > > 6.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Androgens

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEAS am   ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >      Â

> > > > >    7.3  Â

> > > > >    (5.0 †" 30.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 6.7

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio    Â

> > > 0.17

> > > > > L  (0.20 †" 0.60 ratio)

> > > > > 0.2

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >      Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 370   ÂÂ

> > >  (100

> > > > > †" 720

> > > > > pmol/L)

> > > > >

> > > > > Progesterone (P4)  ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   Â Â Â 139 ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >     < 159pmol/L

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Estrogens

> > > > >

> > > > > Estradiol (E2)   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   5.0Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > <6 pmol/L

> > > > > 3.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Estrone (E1)   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >      Â

> > > > >    23.0 H   Â

> Â (9.6

> > > > > †" 20.0

> > > > > pg/mL)    25.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Estriol (E3)   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > > <1.0     Â

> > > Â (0.00

> > > > > †" 25.0)

> > > > > pg/mL   <1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > E3/ [E2+E1]   ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >      Â

> > > Â Â 0.04

> > > > > L    >1.0

> > > Ratio

> > > > > 0.04

> > > > >

> > > > > P4/E2 Ratio   ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   27.8Â

> > > > >       (4.0 †"

> > > 108.0

> > > > > Ratio)

> > > > >

> > > > > Note I had been taking Ashwaganda 300mg plus

> > > other

> > > > > ingredients contained

> > > > > in my " Nutra Life Extreme Y " Male supplement up

> > > to 24

> > > > > hours

> > > > > prior to the July test but not for the September

> > > test.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > These below were part of the July test results of

> > > urine

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Spot

> > > > >

> > > > > Creatinine Urine Spot    4.6Â

> > > > >    (6.5 †" 15.0)Â

> > > > > Â Â Â mmol/L

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Iodine   ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >     73ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > Â Â Â ug/L

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Iodine corrected ÂÂ

> > > 140.4 Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > Â Â Â ug/gCR

> > > > >

> > > > > Notes: Normal iodine status >100ug Iodine /g

> > > creatinine

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine 24 hour

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone, urine  ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > >       0.9Â

> > > > >    (0.6 †" 2.2)  Â

> umol/24h

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I also include some of my blood test history

> > > through 2010

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   Blood tests

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Feb-10

> > > > >

> > > > > May-10

> > > > >

> > > > > Jun-10

> > > > >

> > > > > July/Aug/ Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 10

> > > > >

> > > > > Component

> > > > >

> > > > > Range

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > S & N Labs

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone total

> > > > >

> > > > > 10--33

> > > > >

> > > > > 24

> > > > >

> > > > > 22

> > > > >

> > > > > 18.6

> > > > >

> > > > >     Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 24  22 ÂÂ

> > > 21Â

> > > > >  22

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone free

> > > > >

> > > > > 40-100

> > > > >

> > > > > 42

> > > > >

> > > > > 29

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 28  20 ÂÂ

> > > 19Â

> > > > >  18

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone free calc

> > > > >

> > > > > 260-740

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 265

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Oestradiol

> > > > >

> > > > > 40-250

> > > > >

> > > > > 162

> > > > >

> > > > > 131

> > > > >

> > > > > 89

> > > > >

> > > > >    155 155Â

> > > > > 122Â Â Â 150Â Â Â 192

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > >

> > > > > 300-2700

> > > > >

> > > > > 1600

> > > > >

> > > > > 2300

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 1300Â Â Â 1300

> > > > >

> > > > > SHBG

> > > > >

> > > > > 13-71

> > > > >

> > > > > 57

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 59

> > > > >

> > > > >    Â Â Â 60ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >  56     81Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 79

> > > > >

> > > > > 17 OH Pregnenolone

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.0-10.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hydroxy-Progesterone

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.2--1.8

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.3

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > DHT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prolactin

> > > > >

> > > > > <15

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Luteinizing hormone

> > > > >

> > > > > 3--20

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     5

> > > > >

> > > > > Follicle Stimulating

> > > > >

> > > > > 3--20

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >      17

> > > > >

> > > > > Cotrisol 24 hour urine

> > > > >

> > > > > 80-590

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Cortisol

> > > > >

> > > > > 190-610

> > > > >

> > > > > 320

> > > > >

> > > > > 360

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 450Â Â Â 530  520ÂÂ

> > > 470Â

> > > > >  370

> > > > >

> > > > > ACTH

> > > > >

> > > > > 5--50

> > > > >

> > > > > 21

> > > > >

> > > > > 24

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >    22    43Â

> > > > >   32  ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >  29

> > > > >

> > > > > Adrenaline

> > > > >

> > > > > <1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Noradenaline

> > > > >

> > > > > <3.5

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >  5.9+

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Normetadrenaline free

> > > > >

> > > > > <900

> > > > >

> > > > > 308

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Metadrenaline free

> > > > >

> > > > > <500

> > > > >

> > > > > 145

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > HbA1c

> > > > >

> > > > > <6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PSA

> > > > >

> > > > > <3.20

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.48

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.52

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 0.38   ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > > 0.45

> > > > >

> > > > > Cholesterol

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.9-7.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.1

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.7  4.9 ÂÂ

> > > 4.2 Â

> > > > > 4.7Â Â Â 4.6

> > > > >

> > > > > Triglycerides

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.3-2.2

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.5  0.6Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 0.5Â Â Â 0.4 ÂÂ

> 0.4

> > > > >

> > > > > ESR

> > > > >

> > > > > 1--20

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Ferritin Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 20-320

> > > > >

> > > > > 48

> > > > >

> > > > > 42

> > > > >

> > > > > 60   / 40

> > > > >

> > > > > 61  55  Â

> > > > > 55   60 57   66

> > > > >

> > > > > Iron

> > > > >

> > > > > 10--33

> > > > >

> > > > > 18

> > > > >

> > > > > 29

> > > > >

> > > > > 17   / 18

> > > > >

> > > > > 32  25  Â

> > > > > 24   25 16 13

> > > > >

> > > > > Transferrin IBC

> > > > >

> > > > > 45 - 70

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 69 /   61

> > > > >

> > > > > 71  68  Â

> > > > > 59   64 61   61

> > > > >

> > > > > Transferrin Saturation %

> > > > >

> > > > > 16 - 50

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 25 / 29

> > > > >

> > > > > 45  37  ÂÂ

> > > 41Â

> > > > > 39Â Â Â 26Â Â Â 21

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Vit B12 Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 162-811

> > > > >

> > > > >       Â

> > > 888+

> > > > >

> > > > > 354

> > > > >

> > > > > 453

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >    Â

> > > > > 902+

> > > > >

> > > > > Red cell Magnesium

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.2-7.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum zinc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     16

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucose

> > > > >

> > > > > 3-6 fasting

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.3

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.4

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >    5.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Homocysteine

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.0-15.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 7

> > > > >

> > > > > 11

> > > > >

> > > > > 8.1

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     6.7

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin D 25hydroxy

> > > > >

> > > > > 50-300

> > > > >

> > > > > 160

> > > > >

> > > > > 160

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >   140 120ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >     140

> > > > >

> > > > > Albumin

> > > > >

> > > > > 35-50

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 43

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   Â Â Â 41 43ÂÂ

> > > 45

> > > > >

> > > > > Globulins

> > > > >

> > > > > 20-40

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 27

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   Â Â Â 24 24ÂÂ

> > > 25

> > > > >

> > > > > Renin

> > > > >

> > > > > 3 -- 40

> > > > >

> > > > > 32

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 64+    ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > >    22 31 44

> > > > >

> > > > > Aldosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > 100-950

> > > > >

> > > > > 190

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 440    ÂÂ

> > >  Â

> > > > > 250 210 280

> > > > >

> > > > > Aldosterone/Renin ratio

> > > > >

> > > > > 2--75

> > > > >

> > > > > 6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 7    ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >   11    7Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Red Cell Folate Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 545-3370

> > > > >

> > > > > 869

> > > > >

> > > > > 556

> > > > >

> > > > > 2343

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   Â

> > > > >  1113

> > > > >

> > > > > THS

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.4-4.00

> > > > >

> > > > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.7

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.1

> > > > >

> > > > >     Â

> > > > > 0.9Â Â Â 0.1Â Â Â 0.3ÂÂ

> Â

> > > > > 0.07

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T4

> > > > >

> > > > > 10 - 20

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >       Â

> > > 19Â

> > > > >  13  13 ÂÂ

> > > Â Â Â 11

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T3

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.8 - 6.8

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     Â

> > > > > 4.8Â Â Â 5.9Â Â Â 4.8ÂÂ

> Â

> > > > >  6.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

> > > > >

> > > > > <60

> > > > >

> > > > > 39

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >   42Â

> > > > > 22

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

> > > > >

> > > > > <60

> > > > >

> > > > > 18

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >      Â

> > > > >    43 53

> > > > >

> > > > > Red Cell Porphryn

> > > > >

> > > > > 0--900

> > > > >

> > > > > 430

> > > > >

> > > > > 530

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Reverse T3

> > > > >

> > > > > 170--450

> > > > >

> > > > >       Â

> > > 462+

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 449

> > > > >

> > > > > 540+

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Leptin

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.0 - 5.6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sodium

> > > > >

> > > > > 137 - 147

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 142

> > > > >

> > > > > 140

> > > > >

> > > > >    140 ÂÂ

> > > 138Â

> > > > >    139    138

> > > > >

> > > > > Potassium

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.5 - 5.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > >

> > > > >      4.8Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 4.3  ÂÂ

> > > 4.5 Â

> > > > >  3.9

> > > > >

> > > > > Calcium

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.25- 2.65

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.46

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.43

> > > > >

> > > > >     2.64  Â

> 2.49Â

> > > > > Â Â Â 2.37Â Â Â 2.49

> > > > >

> > > > > Billirubin Total

> > > > >

> > > > > 2 -- 20

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > > 23+

> > > > >

> > > > >     21ÂÂ

> > >   18Â

> > > > >    22 ÂÂ

> > >  14

> > > > >

> > > > > Billirubin Direct

> > > > >

> > > > > 0 -- 8

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 7

> > > > >

> > > > >     ÂÂ

> > >    6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Questions

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Am I hopefully on the right track with the

> > > DIM, Super

> > > > > MiraForte and

> > > > > other supplements targeting improvements in the

> > > sex

> > > > > hormones??

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. What else do I need to do and what has been

> > > the

> > > > > experience of those

> > > > > here with any of the above supps?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Are any of my vast array of supplements etc

> > > likely to be

> > > > > working

> > > > > against me?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. I am unsure of my real iodine status (despite

> > > spot test)

> > > > > so have

> > > > > stayed away from most identified iodine but not

> > > sure if

> > > > > this is the

> > > > > right approach or the wrong approach so any

> > > suggestions

> > > > > might be

> > > > > helpful.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Does anyone know how to safely increase my

> > > Aldosterone

> > > > > levels or how

> > > > > much Licorice is safe to take and for how long?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. It seems that taking salt for low sodium may

> > > contribute

> > > > > in driving

> > > > > Aldosterone down so how do I raise sodium,

> > > Aldosterone,

> > > > > potassium and

> > > > > also keep calcium from elevating?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am open to all comments and will very much

> > > welcome your

> > > > > input on any

> > > > > aspect of the above as I feel I am now

> > > desperately

> > > > > struggling with all

> > > > > this and can't really see my way forward.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgive me for the length of this post but I just

> > > need to

> > > > > get everything

> > > > > out there for completeness.

> > > > > The big question is what do I do now? Hopefully I

> > > will

> > > > > receive some

> > > > > valuable advice and guidance from this informed

> > > community.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindest regards and warmest thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Wayne

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Not with correct accuracy just a waste of time and money.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > From: gcaussieman gcaussieman@

>

> > > > > > Subject: In need of help and

>

> > > > guidance please

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 AM

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Hi guys

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > My first post here on this informative board

>

> > > > which was

>

> > > > > > highly

>

> > > > > > recommended to me by Lethal Lee.

>

> > > > > > I have been monitoring the posts in this forum

>

> > > > for a little

>

> > > > > > while and

>

> > > > > > have read through many of the reports in the file

>

> > > > section

>

> > > > > > which I found

>

> > > > > > very helpful so a big thanks.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > My story is that I have been bouncing around

>

> > > > within the

>

> > > > > > Australian

>

> > > > > > allopathic medical system for the last 5 years

>

> > > > without a

>

> > > > > > creditable

>

> > > > > > answer or a helpful diagnosis of what I believe

>

> > > > are my RT3

>

> > > > > > / Adrenal/

>

> > > > > > Hormonal and low ferritin problem(s).

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > My comprehensive details are as follows. I know

>

> > > > it is a lot

>

> > > > > > so please

>

> > > > > > excuse the length of this initial post but I

>

> > > > thought I

>

> > > > > > should get it all

>

> > > > > > out there. If somebody could take the time and

>

> > > > effort to

>

> > > > > > provide some

>

> > > > > > helpful guidance and advice it may assist me to

>

> > > > finally

>

> > > > > > move in the

>

> > > > > > direction of solving my problem(s). For this I

>

> > > > would be

>

> > > > > > eternally

>

> > > > > > grateful and hopefully a whole lot healthier.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I have been over on the RT3 and the NTH Adrenal

>

> > > > forums

>

> > > > > > looking for

>

> > > > > > answers as well.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > My details

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >  Male 59 years 182 cm or 6' tall

>

> > > > > > Currently 70 kilograms or 154 lbs (normal range

>

> > > > 70 kgs to

>

> > > > > > maybe 75kgs at

>

> > > > > > heaviest)

>

> > > > > > Try to keep fit attending gym 5 nights

>

> > > > weekly for

>

> > > > > > running and weights

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Resting Heart Rate 55 to 65 BPM (when

>

> > > > well and fit)

>

> > > > > > currently though

>

> > > > > > mostly higher

>

> > > > > > Under a lot of ongoing stress which can't be

>

> > > > solved

>

> > > > > > immediately

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Gallbladder was removed in 1990 which was my

>

> > > > turning point

>

> > > > > > to eating

>

> > > > > > healthy

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Vegetarian eating seafood, cheese and eggs.

>

> > > > Recently added

>

> > > > > > chicken back

>

> > > > > > in. Try and focus on raw foods as much as I can.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Use Himalayan Salt on food and drink Celtic Sea

>

> > > > Salt ½ tsp

>

> > > > > > 3 x p/d

>

> > > > > > for low sodium

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I have been working on raising my chronic low

>

> > > > ferritin

>

> > > > > > levels, lowering

>

> > > > > > my stress load, lowering my RT3 levels, raising

>

> > > > my

>

> > > > > > Aldosterone, sodium

>

> > > > > > and potassium, supporting my adrenals, improving

>

> > > > digestion

>

> > > > > > and

>

> > > > > > absorption and trying to put on some weight, both

>

> > > > muscle

>

> > > > > > and fat.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > But with my latest serum Estradiol and

>

> > > > SHBG results I

>

> > > > > > now need to focus

>

> > > > > > on my sex hormones again as well, hence I am

>

> > > > here. Hope you

>

> > > > > > guys can

>

> > > > > > help me!

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Prescribed Drugs

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Tertroxin ( Liothyronine) currently 40mcg daily

>

> > > > in split

>

> > > > > > doses, since

>

> > > > > > September 29 2010. Hoping to wean myself

>

> > > > from this

>

> > > > > > gradually in

>

> > > > > > February/March. Have been aiming for RT3 cellular

>

> > > > clearance

>

> > > > > > but not sure

>

> > > > > > if that is going to happen or not as I am on a

>

> > > > lowish dose

>

> > > > > > and wary of

>

> > > > > > going higher especially without any HC??

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Current Supplements per day

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > " Ethical Nutrients Iron Plus " 20 mg Iron x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Thorne Iron Picollinate 25mg x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Now Iron Bisglycinate 18mg x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Fish oil 1000mg x 4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Now Krill oil 1000mg x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Healthy Origins Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Total Balance Multi x 7 tabs Premium combination

>

> > > > from NZ

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Vit D x 1000iu x 6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate & Chondroiton 1500mg x

>

> > > > 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Prostate Complete x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Ultra Zinc 46mg x 1 every 2nd day as already

>

> > > > getting 30mg

>

> > > > > > daily in other

>

> > > > > > supps

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Magnesium oil Ancient Minerals x 100mg

>

> > > > elemental

>

> > > > > > Magnesium on skin,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Morning smoothie with Flaxseeds, slippery elm,

>

> > > > psyllium

>

> > > > > > husks, WPI,

>

> > > > > > coconut oil, blueberries, almonds, yoghurt,

>

> > > > coconut cream

>

> > > > > > and rice milk.

>

> > > > > > Have been including Maca 1 tsp but currently just

>

> > > > cycling

>

> > > > > > it off and

>

> > > > > > will add it back in 2 weeks or so along with

>

> > > > LGlutamine ½

>

> > > > > > tsp x 2

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Recently added supplements (24th December 2010)

>

> > > > to target

>

> > > > > > sex hormones

>

> > > > > > and adrenals mostly

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Natures Way DIM Plus x 6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Metabolic Maintenance DIM Complex x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > LEF Super MiraForte x 4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Now Tru C 400mg x 2

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Ascorbic Palmitate Vit C 500mg x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Thorne Basic B Complex (active) x 2

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Now Licorice x 450mg x 2

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Doctors Best Proteolitic Enzymes x 2-3

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Now Super Digestive Enzymes x 2 with each meal

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Now Rhodiola 500mg x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > LEF Super Zeaxanthan x 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > My ND injected 500mg then 1000mg Glutathione in

>

> > > > December

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Recently ceased supplements

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Bio identical DHEA caps 25mg p/d ceased

>

> > > > 6th July 10

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Bio identical Testosterone cream ceasedÂÂ

>

> > > > 21st May 10

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > ALA

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Chelorex x 16 (for metals chelating) Vit E, C,

>

> > > > Selenium

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Evening Primrose oil 3 caps (ceased)

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Indolplex

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > EstroSense

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Chrysin cream 5%

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Chrysin cream 10%

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > ExtremeY x 1 tab, mens mix includes Ashwaganda

>

> > > > 300mg,

>

> > > > > > Ginsengs, Ginko

>

> > > > > > etc (Ceased on Vals advice re Korean ginseng and

>

> > > > Ginko as

>

> > > > > > too

>

> > > > > > stimulating for struggling adrenal glands)

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Testoroid/Erectomax

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Licorice Root 1 x 2 p/d from Dec 1st Have

>

> > > > replaced

>

> > > > > > with Now brand

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Herbs of Gold Stress Ease

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Recently ceased supplements that may have been

>

> > > > hindering

>

> > > > > > iron absorption

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > pHour Salts alkalising salts copious amounts in

>

> > > > water

>

> > > > > > consisting of

>

> > > > > > calcium, sodium ,magnesium and potassium

>

> > > > bicarbonates

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Longevinex x 1 caps Resveratrol, quercetin,

>

> > > > phytate and

>

> > > > > > grape seed mix

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Vit D continue to take but may have some effect

>

> > > > with

>

> > > > > > Calcium on iron

>

> > > > > > absorption???

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Green tea within 4 hours of iron and meals.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Note as a mostly vegetarian, by definition I

>

> > > > consume mostly

>

> > > > > > vegetables

>

> > > > > > which I now understand contain phytates that

>

> > > > hinder iron

>

> > > > > > absorption.???

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Symptoms

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Very cold hands and feet, worse in winter to the

>

> > > > point of

>

> > > > > > " stinging " ,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > fine tremor throughout entire body always

>

> > > > present,Â

>

> > > > > > recent occasional

>

> > > > > > tightness in the neck area, sunken cheeks, very

>

> > > > gaunt

>

> > > > > > sickly facial

>

> > > > > > appearance, dark circles under eyes, dry

>

> > > > nostrils

>

> > > > > > sometimes, episodes

>

> > > > > > of higher Blood pressure last year but low BPs in

>

> > > > more

>

> > > > > > recent times

>

> > > > > > along with raised pulse, low serum free

>

> > > > testosterone not

>

> > > > > > reacting to

>

> > > > > > supplementation, night sweats sometimes, unable

>

> > > > to put on

>

> > > > > > /maintain

>

> > > > > > weight despite 3000kcal diet and regular weights

>

> > > > workouts,

>

> > > > > > exceptionally

>

> > > > > > poor thin skin quality beyond age related

>

> > > > expectation, eyes

>

> > > > > > cloudy not

>

> > > > > > clear, rapidly thinning hair, outer 1/3rd

>

> > > > eyebrows gone,

>

> > > > > > lower back pain

>

> > > > > > sometimes feels like maybe kidney pain?? , Quite

>

> > > > often I

>

> > > > > > feel a general

>

> > > > > > unwell feeling and I am not thriving despite all

>

> > > > the

>

> > > > > > considerable effort

>

> > > > > > with lifestyle, exercise and diet. Recent 10k

>

> > > > race sent my

>

> > > > > > HR to 209

>

> > > > > > when previously it would only reach 175 to

>

> > > > 180max

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I must add that at this stage I do not have a lot

>

> > > > of the

>

> > > > > > seriously

>

> > > > > > debilitating symptoms that a lot of folk here and

>

> > > > the other

>

> > > > > > forums seem

>

> > > > > > to suffer from thankfully. I go to sleep

>

> > > > reasonably easy

>

> > > > > > most nights and

>

> > > > > > pretty much sleep through for 7 to 8 hours (some

>

> > > > nights a

>

> > > > > > bathroom visit

>

> > > > > > is required) but I do not wake refreshed but

>

> > > > rather

>

> > > > > > sluggish actually.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I am a regular runner and I am able to do this

>

> > > > and remain

>

> > > > > > competitive

>

> > > > > > without overly undue exhaustion or air hunger

>

> > > > although this

>

> > > > > > seems to be

>

> > > > > > getting more difficult in recent times. But maybe

>

> > > > this is

>

> > > > > > because I have

>

> > > > > > been stopping some of my runs and have

>

> > > > replaced some

>

> > > > > > with walks so as

>

> > > > > > not to overtax my adrenals so they can heal,

>

> > > > hopefully. I

>

> > > > > > am not

>

> > > > > > diabetic, depressed, manic, brain fogged on drugs

>

> > > > of any

>

> > > > > > kind or

>

> > > > > > suffering from any formally identified illness. I

>

> > > > have

>

> > > > > > never had any

>

> > > > > > known problem with my Thyroid until I discovered

>

> > > > the RT3

>

> > > > > > site and

>

> > > > > > started researching and

>

> > > > testing….thankfully. Although in

>

> > > > > > the back of

>

> > > > > > my mind I had harboured a question mark over my

>

> > > > Thyroid for

>

> > > > > > some time.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > So it would seem that I have RT3

>

> > > > resistance in

>

> > > > > > the cells , sluggish

>

> > > > > > Adrenals, low ferritin, high SHBG, high Estradiol

>

> > > > and low

>

> > > > > > free

>

> > > > > > Testosterone, mid range Total Testosterone and

>

> > > > maybe low

>

> > > > > > cortisol as

>

> > > > > > well as low Aldosterone, sodium and

>

> > > > potassium.???. Not

>

> > > > > > withstanding that

>

> > > > > > my main problems as outlined above under

>

> > > > " Symptoms " are

>

> > > > > > severe

>

> > > > > > enough that they impact negatively on my quality

>

> > > > of life

>

> > > > > > and I

>

> > > > > > absolutely need to fix them…with your help,

>

> > > > I function

>

> > > > > > sort of ok on

>

> > > > > > a daily basis but I am very concerned about my

>

> > > > Estradiol

>

> > > > > > levels and my

>

> > > > > > unwell gaunt appearance is sending a message.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > For the last 2 years or so I have been using both

>

> > > > bio

>

> > > > > > identical DHEA,

>

> > > > > > Chrysin cream and Testosterone cream in an effort

>

> > > > to

>

> > > > > > normalize my sex

>

> > > > > > hormone levels. Whilst the DHEA did seem to work

>

> > > > with good

>

> > > > > > results I was

>

> > > > > > concerned about the greater inbalance that this

>

> > > > was

>

> > > > > > creating with the

>

> > > > > > free Testosterone which was not rising.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > So I have decided to cease all of these until I

>

> > > > fully

>

> > > > > > address my

>

> > > > > > suspected Adrenal/RT3 problem as I suspect that

>

> > > > this issue

>

> > > > > > may also be

>

> > > > > > somewhat contributing to the mid range DHEA and

>

> > > > low free

>

> > > > > > Testosterone

>

> > > > > > and high SHBG and especially my latest high

>

> > > > Estradiol (at

>

> > > > > > 192 or 52.3)

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > But that's only my thoughts , what do others

>

> > > > think?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > My theory is that my thyroid is probably somewhat

>

> > > > normal in

>

> > > > > > producing

>

> > > > > > T4/T3 but the main problem is the mis-conversion

>

> > > > of T4 to

>

> > > > > > RT3 due to 20

>

> > > > > > years of vegetarianism contributing to chronic

>

> > > > low ferritin

>

> > > > > > levels plus

>

> > > > > > the significant stress upon me in the last 5

>

> > > > years (which

>

> > > > > > is when my

>

> > > > > > main symptons first manifested) combining to

>

> > > > produce my

>

> > > > > > resistance in

>

> > > > > > the cell receptors?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > My aim is to support my adrenals hopefully with

>

> > > > only

>

> > > > > > Adaptogens and

>

> > > > > > vitamin supplements, continue to raise my

>

> > > > ferritin levels

>

> > > > > > with iron

>

> > > > > > tabs, clear my RT3 with T3 only in 12 to 16 weeks

>

> > > > or so

>

> > > > > > then wean off

>

> > > > > > the T3 after clearance allowing my then supported

>

> > > > adrenals

>

> > > > > > and increased

>

> > > > > > ferritin levels to promote normal function of

>

> > > > conversion of

>

> > > > > > T4 to T3 by

>

> > > > > > my thyroid?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I enclose the results of my last 2 Saliva tests

>

> > > > in July and

>

> > > > > > September

>

> > > > > > 2010

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Salivary Cortisol 19th July 2010ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > >  Â Â Â and  ÂÂ

>

> > > > Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â

>

> > > > > > 13th Sept

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 8am    ÂÂ

>

> > > >  43.2

>

> > > > > > H   (6.0 †" 42.0 nmol/L)

>

> > > > > > 34.3

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Midday      3.4Â

>

> > > > > >   (0.0 †" 11.0 nmol/L)

>

> > > > > > 7.4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 4pm    ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > > 3.8     (2.0 †" 11.0

>

> > > > nmol/L)

>

> > > > > > 3.3

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 8pm    ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > > 3.2     (1.0 †" 8.0

>

> > > > nmol/L)

>

> > > > > > 0.8

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Daily total   53.6Â

>

> > > > > >    (11.0 †" 76.0 nmol/L)

>

> > > > > > 46.8

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Midnight   3.1ÂÂ

>

> > > > Â

>

> > > > > >    (0.0 †" 5.0 nmol/L)

>

> > > > > > 3.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Melatonin Midnight   10 (10 †"

>

> > > > 40

>

> > > > > > pg/mL)

>

> > > > > > 6.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Androgens

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > DHEAS am   ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >      Â

>

> > > > > >    7.3  Â

>

> > > > > >    (5.0 †" 30.0 nmol/L)

>

> > > > > > 6.7

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio    Â

>

> > > > 0.17

>

> > > > > > L  (0.20 †" 0.60 ratio)

>

> > > > > > 0.2

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Testosterone   ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > >      Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 370   ÂÂ

>

> > > >  (100

>

> > > > > > †" 720

>

> > > > > > pmol/L)

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Progesterone (P4)  ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >   Â Â Â 139 ÂÂ

>

> > > > Â

>

> > > > > >     < 159pmol/L

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Estrogens

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Estradiol (E2)   ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   5.0Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > > <6 pmol/L

>

> > > > > > 3.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Estrone (E1)   ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > >      Â

>

> > > > > >    23.0 H   Â

>

> > Â (9.6

>

> > > > > > †" 20.0

>

> > > > > > pg/mL)    25.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Estriol (E3)   ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > > <1.0     Â

>

> > > > Â (0.00

>

> > > > > > †" 25.0)

>

> > > > > > pg/mL   <1.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > E3/ [E2+E1]   ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >      Â

>

> > > > Â Â 0.04

>

> > > > > > L    >1.0

>

> > > > Ratio

>

> > > > > > 0.04

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > P4/E2 Ratio   ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   27.8Â

>

> > > > > >       (4.0 †"

>

> > > > 108.0

>

> > > > > > Ratio)

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Note I had been taking Ashwaganda 300mg plus

>

> > > > other

>

> > > > > > ingredients contained

>

> > > > > > in my " Nutra Life Extreme Y " Male supplement up

>

> > > > to 24

>

> > > > > > hours

>

> > > > > > prior to the July test but not for the September

>

> > > > test.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > These below were part of the July test results of

>

> > > > urine

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Urine Spot

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Creatinine Urine Spot    4.6Â

>

> > > > > >    (6.5 †" 15.0)Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â mmol/L

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Urine Iodine   ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > >     73ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â ug/L

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Urine Iodine corrected ÂÂ

>

> > > > 140.4 Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â ug/gCR

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Notes: Normal iodine status >100ug Iodine /g

>

> > > > creatinine

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Urine 24 hour

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Testosterone, urine  ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > >       0.9Â

>

> > > > > >    (0.6 †" 2.2)  Â

>

> > umol/24h

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I also include some of my blood test history

>

> > > > through 2010

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >   Blood tests

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Feb-10

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > May-10

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Jun-10

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > July/Aug/ Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 10

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Component

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Range

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > S & N Labs

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Testosterone total

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 10--33

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 24

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 22

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 18.6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 24  22 ÂÂ

>

> > > > 21Â

>

> > > > > >  22

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Testosterone free

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 40-100

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 42

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 29

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 28  20 ÂÂ

>

> > > > 19Â

>

> > > > > >  18

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Testosterone free calc

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 260-740

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 265

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Oestradiol

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 40-250

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 162

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 131

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 89

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >    155 155Â

>

> > > > > > 122Â Â Â 150Â Â Â 192

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > DHEA

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 300-2700

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 1600

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2300

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 1300Â Â Â 1300

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > SHBG

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 13-71

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 57

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 59

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >    Â Â Â 60ÂÂ

>

> > > > Â

>

> > > > > >  56     81Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 79

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 17 OH Pregnenolone

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.0-10.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5.5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Hydroxy-Progesterone

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.2--1.8

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 1.3

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > DHT

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 3.19

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Prolactin

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <15

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Luteinizing hormone

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 3--20

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Follicle Stimulating

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 3--20

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 17

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >      17

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Cotrisol 24 hour urine

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 80-590

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Cortisol

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 190-610

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 320

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 360

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 450Â Â Â 530  520ÂÂ

>

> > > > 470Â

>

> > > > > >  370

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > ACTH

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5--50

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 21

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 24

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >    22    43Â

>

> > > > > >   32  ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >  29

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Adrenaline

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <1.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.2

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Noradenaline

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <3.5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >  5.9+

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Normetadrenaline free

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <900

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 308

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Metadrenaline free

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <500

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 145

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > HbA1c

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > PSA

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <3.20

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.48

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.52

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 0.38   ÂÂ

>

> > > > Â

>

> > > > > > 0.45

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Cholesterol

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 3.9-7.4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5.1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 4.5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 4.7  4.9 ÂÂ

>

> > > > 4.2 Â

>

> > > > > > 4.7Â Â Â 4.6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Triglycerides

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.3-2.2

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.5  0.6Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 0.5Â Â Â 0.4 ÂÂ

>

> > 0.4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > ESR

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 1--20

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Serum Ferritin Assay

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 20-320

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 48

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 42

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 60   / 40

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 61  55  Â

>

> > > > > > 55   60 57   66

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Iron

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 10--33

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 18

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 29

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 17   / 18

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 32  25  Â

>

> > > > > > 24   25 16 13

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Transferrin IBC

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 45 - 70

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 69 /   61

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 71  68  Â

>

> > > > > > 59   64 61   61

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Transferrin Saturation %

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 16 - 50

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 25 / 29

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 45  37  ÂÂ

>

> > > > 41Â

>

> > > > > > 39Â Â Â 26Â Â Â 21

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Serum Vit B12 Assay

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 162-811

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >       Â

>

> > > > 888+

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 354

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 453

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >    Â

>

> > > > > > 902+

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Red cell Magnesium

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5.2-7.5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5.4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Serum zinc

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 19

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     16

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Glucose

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 3-6 fasting

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5.3

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5.4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >    5.3

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Homocysteine

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.0-15.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 7

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 11

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 8.1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     6.7

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Vitamin D 25hydroxy

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 50-300

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 160

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 160

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >   140 120ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >     140

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Albumin

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 35-50

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 43

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >   Â Â Â 41 43ÂÂ

>

> > > > 45

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Globulins

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 20-40

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 27

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >   Â Â Â 24 24ÂÂ

>

> > > > 25

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Renin

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 3 -- 40

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 32

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 64+    ÂÂ

>

> > > > Â

>

> > > > > >    22 31 44

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Aldosterone

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 100-950

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 190

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 440    ÂÂ

>

> > > >  Â

>

> > > > > > 250 210 280

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Aldosterone/Renin ratio

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2--75

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 7    ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >   11    7Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Red Cell Folate Assay

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 545-3370

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 869

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 556

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2343

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   Â

>

> > > > > >  1113

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > THS

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.4-4.00

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0.7

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 1.1

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     Â

>

> > > > > > 0.9Â Â Â 0.1Â Â Â 0.3ÂÂ

>

> > Â

>

> > > > > > 0.07

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Free T4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 10 - 20

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 17

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >       Â

>

> > > > 19Â

>

> > > > > >  13  13 ÂÂ

>

> > > > Â Â Â 11

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Free T3

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2.8 - 6.8

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     Â

>

> > > > > > 4.8Â Â Â 5.9Â Â Â 4.8ÂÂ

>

> > Â

>

> > > > > >  6.8

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <60

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 39

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >   42Â

>

> > > > > > 22

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > <60

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 18

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >      Â

>

> > > > > >    43 53

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Red Cell Porphryn

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0--900

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 430

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 530

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Reverse T3

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 170--450

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >       Â

>

> > > > 462+

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 449

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 540+

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Serum Leptin

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2.0 - 5.6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2.4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Sodium

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 137 - 147

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 142

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 140

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >    140 ÂÂ

>

> > > > 138Â

>

> > > > > >    139    138

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Potassium

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 3.5 - 5.0

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 4.4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 4.4

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >      4.8Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 4.3  ÂÂ

>

> > > > 4.5 Â

>

> > > > > >  3.9

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Calcium

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2.25- 2.65

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2.46

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2.43

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     2.64  Â

>

> > 2.49Â

>

> > > > > > Â Â Â 2.37Â Â Â 2.49

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Billirubin Total

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2 -- 20

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 17

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 23+

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     21ÂÂ

>

> > > >   18Â

>

> > > > > >    22 ÂÂ

>

> > > >  14

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Billirubin Direct

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 0 -- 8

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 7

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

>

> > > >    6

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Questions

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 1. Am I hopefully on the right track with the

>

> > > > DIM, Super

>

> > > > > > MiraForte and

>

> > > > > > other supplements targeting improvements in the

>

> > > > sex

>

> > > > > > hormones??

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 2. What else do I need to do and what has been

>

> > > > the

>

> > > > > > experience of those

>

> > > > > > here with any of the above supps?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 3. Are any of my vast array of supplements etc

>

> > > > likely to be

>

> > > > > > working

>

> > > > > > against me?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 4. I am unsure of my real iodine status (despite

>

> > > > spot test)

>

> > > > > > so have

>

> > > > > > stayed away from most identified iodine but not

>

> > > > sure if

>

> > > > > > this is the

>

> > > > > > right approach or the wrong approach so any

>

> > > > suggestions

>

> > > > > > might be

>

> > > > > > helpful.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 5. Does anyone know how to safely increase my

>

> > > > Aldosterone

>

> > > > > > levels or how

>

> > > > > > much Licorice is safe to take and for how long?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > 6. It seems that taking salt for low sodium may

>

> > > > contribute

>

> > > > > > in driving

>

> > > > > > Aldosterone down so how do I raise sodium,

>

> > > > Aldosterone,

>

> > > > > > potassium and

>

> > > > > > also keep calcium from elevating?

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > I am open to all comments and will very much

>

> > > > welcome your

>

> > > > > > input on any

>

> > > > > > aspect of the above as I feel I am now

>

> > > > desperately

>

> > > > > > struggling with all

>

> > > > > > this and can't really see my way forward.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Forgive me for the length of this post but I just

>

> > > > need to

>

> > > > > > get everything

>

> > > > > > out there for completeness.

>

> > > > > > The big question is what do I do now? Hopefully I

>

> > > > will

>

> > > > > > receive some

>

> > > > > > valuable advice and guidance from this informed

>

> > > > community.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Kindest regards and warmest thanks

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Wayne

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

>

> > > > removed]

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

No I don't trust them I have seen men with very high levels test low. And men

with very low levels test high. Think about it you go in and do blood labs and

20% of the time there are errors in them.

Now you put a spot of blood on some paper and send it in the mail.

Or you have weak gums and so a saliva test even some of the tooth paste has an

effect on Saliva labs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill F <bfwl54@...>

> Subject: RE: In need of help and guidance please

>

> Date: Sunday, January 16, 2011, 11:41 AM

>

> can saliva/blood spot be done for male E2?

>

>

> From: hardasnails1973@...

> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:15:45 +0000

> Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance

> please

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>    

>      

>      

>       Saliva and blood spot testing for

> hormones is inaccurate for everything except saliva cortisol

> for males feamles progesterone and estrodial should be fine

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Hi Phil

>

> >

>

> > It is interesting that the man who advised me to have

> my hormones tested

>

> > in saliva as they are far more accurate was the same

> Dr Serafin

>

> > that we spoke of before. He was the man who compounded

> my chrysin creams

>

> > but was honest enough to advise that he was doubtful

> they would do the

>

> > trick. I can now concur with him.

>

> >

>

> > So I attach a link back to the same site you earlier

> provided a link for

>

> > but to a different page. it is interesting reading in

> a simple language

>

> > that even I can readily absorb.

>

> >

>

> > http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/41/

>

> > <http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/41/>

>

> >

>

> > An extract follows

>

> >

>

> > 3) Saliva testing measures the free and therefore

> biologically active

>

> > form of several of the major hormones in saliva –

> estriol,

>

> > estradiol, estrone, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA

> and cortisol.

>

> > Saliva tests have been proven to be an accurate

> reflection of hormone

>

> > levels present inside cells, where the hormone action

> takes place,

>

> > whereas blood tests measure hormones outside the

> cells. It is considered

>

> > to be the gold standard for hormone analysis by the

> World Health

>

> > Organisation (WHO) and even used by NASA. Despite the

> WHO's

>

> > recommendation to use saliva hormone testing and all

> the research to

>

> > back up its accuracy it is often the most criticised

> and neglected

>

> > method by medical practitioners, many whom refuse to

> order such tests as

>

> > they are not informed of the differences and usually

> state there is no

>

> > research to validate saliva testing. Click here

>

> > <

[Guest guest]

The fact that it's worse when your muscles are stressed would lend credence to

my theory that your cortisol is too low. DH and I each used to have a " buzzing "

foot, which was very annoying. But that has also gone away. Many on the

adrenal groups describe this similar vibration. Cortisol binding globulin (CBG)

has an inverse relationship to thyroid, so as you raise thyroid, CBG goes down,

leaving more cortisol free. Then your low cortisol symptoms and vibration

should go away.

I think Dr. Broda said constant fidgeters were really hypothyroids trying

to stay awake.

If you've only been on T3 for awhile, it doesn't make sense to test your T4s

yet, cause they'll be low. But for complicated cases where it's hard to find

the right dose, the totals sometimes shed some light on whether your dose is too

high or low, and if excess thyroid binding globulin (TBG) could be a factor. I

once saw someone who had a fairly normal FT4 of 1.2 (close to mid-range), but

their total T4 was at the very bottom, like 4.9 (4.5-12.5). So he hardly had

any raw material (T4) to work with!

Barb

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi guys

> > > > >

> > > > > My first post here on this informative board which was highly

> > > > > recommended to me by Lethal Lee.

> > > > > I have been monitoring the posts in this forum for a little while and

> > > > > have read through many of the reports in the file section which I

found

> > > > > very helpful so a big thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My story is that I have been bouncing around within the Australian

> > > > > allopathic medical system for the last 5 years without a creditable

> > > > > answer or a helpful diagnosis of what I believe are my RT3 / Adrenal/

> > > > > Hormonal and low ferritin problem(s).

> > > > >

> > > > > My comprehensive details are as follows. I know it is a lot so please

> > > > > excuse the length of this initial post but I thought I should get it

all

> > > > > out there. If somebody could take the time and effort to provide some

> > > > > helpful guidance and advice it may assist me to finally move in the

> > > > > direction of solving my problem(s). For this I would be eternally

> > > > > grateful and hopefully a whole lot healthier.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been over on the RT3 and the NTH Adrenal forums looking for

> > > > > answers as well.

> > > > >

> > > > > My details

> > > > >

> > > > > Male 59 years 182 cm or 6' tall

> > > > > Currently 70 kilograms or 154 lbs (normal range 70 kgs to maybe 75kgs

at

> > > > > heaviest)

> > > > > Try to keep fit attending gym 5 nights weekly for running and weights

> > > > >

> > > > > Resting Heart Rate 55 to 65 BPM (when well and fit) currently though

> > > > > mostly higher

> > > > > Under a lot of ongoing stress which can't be solved immediately

> > > > >

> > > > > Gallbladder was removed in 1990 which was my turning point to eating

> > > > > healthy

> > > > >

> > > > > Vegetarian eating seafood, cheese and eggs. Recently added chicken

back

> > > > > in. Try and focus on raw foods as much as I can.

> > > > >

> > > > > Use Himalayan Salt on food and drink Celtic Sea Salt ½ tsp 3 x p/d

> > > > > for low sodium

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have been working on raising my chronic low ferritin levels,

lowering

> > > > > my stress load, lowering my RT3 levels, raising my Aldosterone, sodium

> > > > > and potassium, supporting my adrenals, improving digestion and

> > > > > absorption and trying to put on some weight, both muscle and fat.

> > > > >

> > > > > But with my latest serum Estradiol and SHBG results I now need to

focus

> > > > > on my sex hormones again as well, hence I am here. Hope you guys can

> > > > > help me!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prescribed Drugs

> > > > >

> > > > > Tertroxin ( Liothyronine) currently 40mcg daily in split doses, since

> > > > > September 29 2010. Hoping to wean myself from this gradually in

> > > > > February/March. Have been aiming for RT3 cellular clearance but not

sure

> > > > > if that is going to happen or not as I am on a lowish dose and wary of

> > > > > going higher especially without any HC??

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Current Supplements per day

> > > > >

> > > > > " Ethical Nutrients Iron Plus " 20 mg Iron x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Thorne Iron Picollinate 25mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Iron Bisglycinate 18mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Fish oil 1000mg x 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Krill oil 1000mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Healthy Origins Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Total Balance Multi x 7 tabs Premium combination from NZ

> > > > >

> > > > > Vit D x 1000iu x 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate & Chondroiton 1500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Prostate Complete x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Ultra Zinc 46mg x 1 every 2nd day as already getting 30mg daily in

other

> > > > > supps

> > > > >

> > > > > Magnesium oil Ancient Minerals x 100mg elemental Magnesium on skin,

> > > > >

> > > > > Morning smoothie with Flaxseeds, slippery elm, psyllium husks, WPI,

> > > > > coconut oil, blueberries, almonds, yoghurt, coconut cream and rice

milk.

> > > > > Have been including Maca 1 tsp but currently just cycling it off and

> > > > > will add it back in 2 weeks or so along with LGlutamine ½ tsp x 2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently added supplements (24th December 2010) to target sex hormones

> > > > > and adrenals mostly

> > > > >

> > > > > Natures Way DIM Plus x 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Metabolic Maintenance DIM Complex x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > LEF Super MiraForte x 4

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Tru C 400mg x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Ascorbic Palmitate Vit C 500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > Thorne Basic B Complex (active) x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Licorice x 450mg x 2

> > > > >

> > > > > Doctors Best Proteolitic Enzymes x 2-3

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Super Digestive Enzymes x 2 with each meal

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Rhodiola 500mg x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > LEF Super Zeaxanthan x 1

> > > > >

> > > > > My ND injected 500mg then 1000mg Glutathione in December

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently ceased supplements

> > > > >

> > > > > Bio identical DHEA caps 25mg p/d ceased 6th July 10

> > > > >

> > > > > Bio identical Testosterone cream ceased 21st May 10

> > > > >

> > > > > ALA

> > > > >

> > > > > Chelorex x 16 (for metals chelating) Vit E, C, Selenium

> > > > >

> > > > > Evening Primrose oil 3 caps (ceased)

> > > > >

> > > > > Indolplex

> > > > >

> > > > > EstroSense

> > > > >

> > > > > Chrysin cream 5%

> > > > >

> > > > > Chrysin cream 10%

> > > > >

> > > > > ExtremeY x 1 tab, mens mix includes Ashwaganda 300mg, Ginsengs, Ginko

> > > > > etc (Ceased on Vals advice re Korean ginseng and Ginko as too

> > > > > stimulating for struggling adrenal glands)

> > > > >

> > > > > Testoroid/Erectomax

> > > > >

> > > > > Licorice Root 1 x 2 p/d from Dec 1st Have replaced with Now brand

> > > > >

> > > > > Herbs of Gold Stress Ease

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Recently ceased supplements that may have been hindering iron

absorption

> > > > >

> > > > > pHour Salts alkalising salts copious amounts in water consisting of

> > > > > calcium, sodium ,magnesium and potassium bicarbonates

> > > > >

> > > > > Longevinex x 1 caps Resveratrol, quercetin, phytate and grape seed mix

> > > > >

> > > > > Vit D continue to take but may have some effect with Calcium on iron

> > > > > absorption???

> > > > >

> > > > > Green tea within 4 hours of iron and meals.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Note as a mostly vegetarian, by definition I consume mostly vegetables

> > > > > which I now understand contain phytates that hinder iron

absorption.???

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Symptoms

> > > > >

> > > > > Very cold hands and feet, worse in winter to the point of

> > > > > " stinging " ,

> > > > >

> > > > > fine tremor throughout entire body always present, recent occasional

> > > > > tightness in the neck area, sunken cheeks, very gaunt sickly facial

> > > > > appearance, dark circles under eyes, dry nostrils sometimes, episodes

> > > > > of higher Blood pressure last year but low BPs in more recent times

> > > > > along with raised pulse, low serum free testosterone not reacting to

> > > > > supplementation, night sweats sometimes, unable to put on /maintain

> > > > > weight despite 3000kcal diet and regular weights workouts,

exceptionally

> > > > > poor thin skin quality beyond age related expectation, eyes cloudy not

> > > > > clear, rapidly thinning hair, outer 1/3rd eyebrows gone, lower back

pain

> > > > > sometimes feels like maybe kidney pain?? , Quite often I feel a

general

> > > > > unwell feeling and I am not thriving despite all the considerable

effort

> > > > > with lifestyle, exercise and diet. Recent 10k race sent my HR to 209

> > > > > when previously it would only reach 175 to 180max

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I must add that at this stage I do not have a lot of the seriously

> > > > > debilitating symptoms that a lot of folk here and the other forums

seem

> > > > > to suffer from thankfully. I go to sleep reasonably easy most nights

and

> > > > > pretty much sleep through for 7 to 8 hours (some nights a bathroom

visit

> > > > > is required) but I do not wake refreshed but rather sluggish actually.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am a regular runner and I am able to do this and remain competitive

> > > > > without overly undue exhaustion or air hunger although this seems to

be

> > > > > getting more difficult in recent times. But maybe this is because I

have

> > > > > been stopping some of my runs and have replaced some with walks so as

> > > > > not to overtax my adrenals so they can heal, hopefully. I am not

> > > > > diabetic, depressed, manic, brain fogged on drugs of any kind or

> > > > > suffering from any formally identified illness. I have never had any

> > > > > known problem with my Thyroid until I discovered the RT3 site and

> > > > > started researching and testing….thankfully. Although in the back of

> > > > > my mind I had harboured a question mark over my Thyroid for some time.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > So it would seem that I have RT3 resistance in the cells , sluggish

> > > > > Adrenals, low ferritin, high SHBG, high Estradiol and low free

> > > > > Testosterone, mid range Total Testosterone and maybe low cortisol as

> > > > > well as low Aldosterone, sodium and potassium.???. Not withstanding

that

> > > > > my main problems as outlined above under " Symptoms " are severe

> > > > > enough that they impact negatively on my quality of life and I

> > > > > absolutely need to fix them…with your help, I function sort of ok on

> > > > > a daily basis but I am very concerned about my Estradiol levels and my

> > > > > unwell gaunt appearance is sending a message.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For the last 2 years or so I have been using both bio identical DHEA,

> > > > > Chrysin cream and Testosterone cream in an effort to normalize my sex

> > > > > hormone levels. Whilst the DHEA did seem to work with good results I

was

> > > > > concerned about the greater inbalance that this was creating with the

> > > > > free Testosterone which was not rising.

> > > > >

> > > > > So I have decided to cease all of these until I fully address my

> > > > > suspected Adrenal/RT3 problem as I suspect that this issue may also be

> > > > > somewhat contributing to the mid range DHEA and low free Testosterone

> > > > > and high SHBG and especially my latest high Estradiol (at 192 or 52.3)

> > > > >

> > > > > But that's only my thoughts , what do others think?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > My theory is that my thyroid is probably somewhat normal in producing

> > > > > T4/T3 but the main problem is the mis-conversion of T4 to RT3 due to

20

> > > > > years of vegetarianism contributing to chronic low ferritin levels

plus

> > > > > the significant stress upon me in the last 5 years (which is when my

> > > > > main symptons first manifested) combining to produce my resistance in

> > > > > the cell receptors?

> > > > >

> > > > > My aim is to support my adrenals hopefully with only Adaptogens and

> > > > > vitamin supplements, continue to raise my ferritin levels with iron

> > > > > tabs, clear my RT3 with T3 only in 12 to 16 weeks or so then wean off

> > > > > the T3 after clearance allowing my then supported adrenals and

increased

> > > > > ferritin levels to promote normal function of conversion of T4 to T3

by

> > > > > my thyroid?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I enclose the results of my last 2 Saliva tests in July and September

> > > > > 2010

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Salivary Cortisol 19th July 2010 and

> > > > > 13th Sept

> > > > >

> > > > > 8am 43.2 H (6.0 – 42.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 34.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Midday 3.4 (0.0 – 11.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 7.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4pm 3.8 (2.0 – 11.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 3.3

> > > > >

> > > > > 8pm 3.2 (1.0 – 8.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 0.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Daily total 53.6 (11.0 – 76.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 46.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Midnight 3.1 (0.0 – 5.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 3.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Melatonin Midnight 10 (10 – 40 pg/mL)

> > > > > 6.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Androgens

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEAS am 7.3 (5.0 – 30.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > 6.7

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio 0.17 L (0.20 – 0.60 ratio)

> > > > > 0.2

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone 370 (100 – 720

> > > > > pmol/L)

> > > > >

> > > > > Progesterone (P4) 139 < 159pmol/L

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Estrogens

> > > > >

> > > > > Estradiol (E2) 5.0 <6 pmol/L

> > > > > 3.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Estrone (E1) 23.0 H (9.6 – 20.0

> > > > > pg/mL) 25.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Estriol (E3) <1.0 (0.00 – 25.0)

> > > > > pg/mL <1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > E3/ [E2+E1] 0.04 L >1.0 Ratio

> > > > > 0.04

> > > > >

> > > > > P4/E2 Ratio 27.8 (4.0 – 108.0

> > > > > Ratio)

> > > > >

> > > > > Note I had been taking Ashwaganda 300mg plus other ingredients

contained

> > > > > in my " Nutra Life Extreme Y " Male supplement up to 24 hours

> > > > > prior to the July test but not for the September test.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > These below were part of the July test results of urine

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Spot

> > > > >

> > > > > Creatinine Urine Spot 4.6 (6.5 – 15.0) mmol/L

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Iodine 73 ug/L

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine Iodine corrected 140.4 ug/gCR

> > > > >

> > > > > Notes: Normal iodine status >100ug Iodine /g creatinine

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Urine 24 hour

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone, urine 0.9 (0.6 – 2.2) umol/24h

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I also include some of my blood test history through 2010

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Blood tests

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Feb-10

> > > > >

> > > > > May-10

> > > > >

> > > > > Jun-10

> > > > >

> > > > > July/Aug/ Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 10

> > > > >

> > > > > Component

> > > > >

> > > > > Range

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > S & N Labs

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone total

> > > > >

> > > > > 10--33

> > > > >

> > > > > 24

> > > > >

> > > > > 22

> > > > >

> > > > > 18.6

> > > > >

> > > > > 24 22 21 22

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone free

> > > > >

> > > > > 40-100

> > > > >

> > > > > 42

> > > > >

> > > > > 29

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 28 20 19 18

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone free calc

> > > > >

> > > > > 260-740

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 265

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Oestradiol

> > > > >

> > > > > 40-250

> > > > >

> > > > > 162

> > > > >

> > > > > 131

> > > > >

> > > > > 89

> > > > >

> > > > > 155 155 122 150 192

> > > > >

> > > > > DHEA

> > > > >

> > > > > 300-2700

> > > > >

> > > > > 1600

> > > > >

> > > > > 2300

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1300 1300

> > > > >

> > > > > SHBG

> > > > >

> > > > > 13-71

> > > > >

> > > > > 57

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 59

> > > > >

> > > > > 60 56 81 79

> > > > >

> > > > > 17 OH Pregnenolone

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.0-10.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hydroxy-Progesterone

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.2--1.8

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.3

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > DHT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Prolactin

> > > > >

> > > > > <15

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Luteinizing hormone

> > > > >

> > > > > 3--20

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > > Follicle Stimulating

> > > > >

> > > > > 3--20

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > > Cotrisol 24 hour urine

> > > > >

> > > > > 80-590

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Cortisol

> > > > >

> > > > > 190-610

> > > > >

> > > > > 320

> > > > >

> > > > > 360

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 450 530 520 470 370

> > > > >

> > > > > ACTH

> > > > >

> > > > > 5--50

> > > > >

> > > > > 21

> > > > >

> > > > > 24

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 22 43 32 29

> > > > >

> > > > > Adrenaline

> > > > >

> > > > > <1.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.2

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Noradenaline

> > > > >

> > > > > <3.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.9+

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Normetadrenaline free

> > > > >

> > > > > <900

> > > > >

> > > > > 308

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Metadrenaline free

> > > > >

> > > > > <500

> > > > >

> > > > > 145

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > HbA1c

> > > > >

> > > > > <6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > PSA

> > > > >

> > > > > <3.20

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.48

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.52

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.38 0.45

> > > > >

> > > > > Cholesterol

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.9-7.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.1

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.7 4.9 4.2 4.7 4.6

> > > > >

> > > > > Triglycerides

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.3-2.2

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.5 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.4

> > > > >

> > > > > ESR

> > > > >

> > > > > 1--20

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Ferritin Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 20-320

> > > > >

> > > > > 48

> > > > >

> > > > > 42

> > > > >

> > > > > 60 / 40

> > > > >

> > > > > 61 55 55 60 57 66

> > > > >

> > > > > Iron

> > > > >

> > > > > 10--33

> > > > >

> > > > > 18

> > > > >

> > > > > 29

> > > > >

> > > > > 17 / 18

> > > > >

> > > > > 32 25 24 25 16 13

> > > > >

> > > > > Transferrin IBC

> > > > >

> > > > > 45 - 70

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 69 / 61

> > > > >

> > > > > 71 68 59 64 61 61

> > > > >

> > > > > Transferrin Saturation %

> > > > >

> > > > > 16 - 50

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 25 / 29

> > > > >

> > > > > 45 37 41 39 26 21

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Vit B12 Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 162-811

> > > > >

> > > > > 888+

> > > > >

> > > > > 354

> > > > >

> > > > > 453

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 902+

> > > > >

> > > > > Red cell Magnesium

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.2-7.5

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum zinc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 19

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 16

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucose

> > > > >

> > > > > 3-6 fasting

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.3

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 5.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Homocysteine

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.0-15.0

> > > > >

> > > > > 7

> > > > >

> > > > > 11

> > > > >

> > > > > 8.1

> > > > >

> > > > > 6.7

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin D 25hydroxy

> > > > >

> > > > > 50-300

> > > > >

> > > > > 160

> > > > >

> > > > > 160

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 140 120 140

> > > > >

> > > > > Albumin

> > > > >

> > > > > 35-50

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 43

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 41 43 45

> > > > >

> > > > > Globulins

> > > > >

> > > > > 20-40

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 27

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 24 24 25

> > > > >

> > > > > Renin

> > > > >

> > > > > 3 -- 40

> > > > >

> > > > > 32

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 64+ 22 31 44

> > > > >

> > > > > Aldosterone

> > > > >

> > > > > 100-950

> > > > >

> > > > > 190

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 440 250 210 280

> > > > >

> > > > > Aldosterone/Renin ratio

> > > > >

> > > > > 2--75

> > > > >

> > > > > 6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 7 11 7 6

> > > > >

> > > > > Red Cell Folate Assay

> > > > >

> > > > > 545-3370

> > > > >

> > > > > 869

> > > > >

> > > > > 556

> > > > >

> > > > > 2343

> > > > >

> > > > > 1113

> > > > >

> > > > > THS

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.4-4.00

> > > > >

> > > > > 1

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.7

> > > > >

> > > > > 1.1

> > > > >

> > > > > 0.9 0.1 0.3 0.07

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T4

> > > > >

> > > > > 10 - 20

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 19 13 13 11

> > > > >

> > > > > Free T3

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.8 - 6.8

> > > > >

> > > > > 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.8 5.9 4.8 6.8

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

> > > > >

> > > > > <60

> > > > >

> > > > > 39

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 42 22

> > > > >

> > > > > Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

> > > > >

> > > > > <60

> > > > >

> > > > > 18

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 43 53

> > > > >

> > > > > Red Cell Porphryn

> > > > >

> > > > > 0--900

> > > > >

> > > > > 430

> > > > >

> > > > > 530

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Reverse T3

> > > > >

> > > > > 170--450

> > > > >

> > > > > 462+

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 449

> > > > >

> > > > > 540+

> > > > >

> > > > > Serum Leptin

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.0 - 5.6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sodium

> > > > >

> > > > > 137 - 147

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 142

> > > > >

> > > > > 140

> > > > >

> > > > > 140 138 139 138

> > > > >

> > > > > Potassium

> > > > >

> > > > > 3.5 - 5.0

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.4

> > > > >

> > > > > 4.8 4.3 4.5 3.9

> > > > >

> > > > > Calcium

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.25- 2.65

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.46

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.43

> > > > >

> > > > > 2.64 2.49 2.37 2.49

> > > > >

> > > > > Billirubin Total

> > > > >

> > > > > 2 -- 20

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 17

> > > > >

> > > > > 23+

> > > > >

> > > > > 21 18 22 14

> > > > >

> > > > > Billirubin Direct

> > > > >

> > > > > 0 -- 8

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 7

> > > > >

> > > > > 6

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Questions

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Am I hopefully on the right track with the DIM, Super MiraForte and

> > > > > other supplements targeting improvements in the sex hormones??

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. What else do I need to do and what has been the experience of those

> > > > > here with any of the above supps?

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Are any of my vast array of supplements etc likely to be working

> > > > > against me?

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. I am unsure of my real iodine status (despite spot test) so have

> > > > > stayed away from most identified iodine but not sure if this is the

> > > > > right approach or the wrong approach so any suggestions might be

> > > > > helpful.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. Does anyone know how to safely increase my Aldosterone levels or

how

> > > > > much Licorice is safe to take and for how long?

> > > > >

> > > > > 6. It seems that taking salt for low sodium may contribute in driving

> > > > > Aldosterone down so how do I raise sodium, Aldosterone, potassium and

> > > > > also keep calcium from elevating?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am open to all comments and will very much welcome your input on any

> > > > > aspect of the above as I feel I am now desperately struggling with all

> > > > > this and can't really see my way forward.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Forgive me for the length of this post but I just need to get

everything

> > > > > out there for completeness.

> > > > > The big question is what do I do now? Hopefully I will receive some

> > > > > valuable advice and guidance from this informed community.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindest regards and warmest thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > Wayne

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Wayne.

I don't know if you've considered going gluten-free yourself. Some do it and

feel really good if they're off gluten totally--100%. That's all the proof I

needed to realise I can't eat gluten and I actually get very sick eating it.

So if you do, make sure you look at all potential sources of gluten. Some of

those are your supplements, medicines and cosmetic items. Any crumb can set

you back from making progress, so you have to definitely do things like get

a new toaster and colander, for example.

You can still have a problem with eating gluten and have negative blood

testing. The problem just doesn't show up for everyone on a blood test.

I don't have anything to add to the adrenal thing as I saw you took your

results to Val and she commented on them. I was just going to add that high

reverse T3 can be a problem due to low adrenal function.

Cortisol does do some of the sodium retaining, but it's mostly up to

aldosterone to do that. I don't see many resolving their low sodium on HC

alone, but you wouldn't know till you were on HC and then looked at

electrolytes to see where they end up. Sodium and potassium antagonise each

other in the body. I think you should ask your licorice question on the

NTHadrenals group.

Ask Phil on how much DIM to take. I was just noting that it seemed like a

lot to start with.

That's a good sign the multi doesn't bother you with its iodine. I didn't

run into detox symptoms from the iodine till I started supplementing much

more than that small amount they put in multi vits. If you do research, you

will find that enough iodine for the thyroid gland is much less than enough

for whole body sufficiency.

-Nigel

On 15 January 2011 07:26, gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Nigel

>

> Thank you also for your time and interest in replying to my long post.

>

> It is very much appreciated.

>

> Yes I have recently started taking Now brand Tru-C BioComplex Vitamin C

> 400mg with the iron that does not have Vit C included. I am also using

> Now brand Abscorbyl Palmitate which is a fat soluable form of Abscorbic

> Acid and I take it at breakfast with the Iron Plus which does already

> have Vit C as a co factor. I also take Digestive Enzymes each time with

> the iron and meals which has 400mg Betaine HCI included.

>

> I have only been using these since Christmas Eve and I will re testing

> in 2 weeks to see if there has been an improvement in absorption of the

> iron.

>

> I was tested for celiac disease via a blood test some years ago and that

> was negative. I also am on the verge of adding red meat back into my

> diet which is going to be a big thing for me after 21 years of

> vegetarianism.

>

> I also have started yesterday to wean off my T3 which should take 3

> weeks or less. My thyroid still works but my problem has been

> misconverting the T4 to RT3 in the peripheral cells as I understand it.

> Hence the T3 only regime. At the end I should not be on any thyroid

> medication at all if all goes actually to plan.

>

> The Natures Way DIM Plus contains 100mg of a complex which actually

> delivers only 25mg of Bio Response DIM per capsule therefore I am taking

> 100mg DIM in total per day. The label also advises that for intensive

> treatment the dosage can be doubled.

>

> I guess for now I will have to rely on my iodine spot test result which

> says at least I don't have a deficiency, I think. So I probably

> won't look to supplement iodine at this stage. I was previously

> getting a little iodine 152mcg in my Multi without any identifiable

> problems.

>

> With cortisol I don't know for sure if I have a problem or not.

> Others here and elsewhere do think that I have so maybe I do. My

> September saliva test is below

>

> 8am 34.3 (6.0 – 42.0 nmol/L)

>

>

> Midday 7.4 (0.0 – 11.0 nmol/L)

>

> 4pm 3.3 (2.0 – 11.0 nmol/L)

>

> 8pm 0.8 (1.0 – 8.0 nmol/L)

>

> Daily total 46.8 (11.0 – 76.0 nmol/L)

>

> Midnight 3.0 (0.0 – 5.0 nmol/L)

>

> But I can still exercise intensively and recover ok without any undue

> problems so this is where it confuses me.

>

> What do you think from this information, is it suspect?

>

> I have been taking 900mg of licorice root and 100mg of licorice root

> extract per day in my Adrenal Optimizer. I am not sure how much is safe

> to take and for how long. Maybe I am not taking enough to make a

> difference. Do you have any ideas?

>

> My sodium and potassium have moved lower but are still in range at 138

> and 3.9 so am keen to see the new test results in 2-3 weeks. I have

> currently stopped all adrenal support at the moment until after the

> blood tests. Would taking HC raise aldosterone, sodium and potassium as

> well as cortisol or is there another way?

>

> Once again thank you Nigel for your thoughtful input. It is very much

> appreciated.

>

> Kindest regards

>

> Wayne

>

[Guest guest]

HAN

Not sure I totally understand. Are you saying that both saliva and blood tests

are inaccurate for hormones excluding cortisol or is ''blood spot'' something

different to blood tests?

Wayne

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: gcaussieman gcaussieman@

> > > > > > Subject: In need of help and

> > > > guidance please

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi guys

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My first post here on this informative board

> > > > which was

> > > > > > highly

> > > > > > recommended to me by Lethal Lee.

> > > > > > I have been monitoring the posts in this forum

> > > > for a little

> > > > > > while and

> > > > > > have read through many of the reports in the file

> > > > section

> > > > > > which I found

> > > > > > very helpful so a big thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My story is that I have been bouncing around

> > > > within the

> > > > > > Australian

> > > > > > allopathic medical system for the last 5 years

> > > > without a

> > > > > > creditable

> > > > > > answer or a helpful diagnosis of what I believe

> > > > are my RT3

> > > > > > / Adrenal/

> > > > > > Hormonal and low ferritin problem(s).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My comprehensive details are as follows. I know

> > > > it is a lot

> > > > > > so please

> > > > > > excuse the length of this initial post but I

> > > > thought I

> > > > > > should get it all

> > > > > > out there. If somebody could take the time and

> > > > effort to

> > > > > > provide some

> > > > > > helpful guidance and advice it may assist me to

> > > > finally

> > > > > > move in the

> > > > > > direction of solving my problem(s). For this I

> > > > would be

> > > > > > eternally

> > > > > > grateful and hopefully a whole lot healthier.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been over on the RT3 and the NTH Adrenal

> > > > forums

> > > > > > looking for

> > > > > > answers as well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My details

> > > > > >

> > > > > >  Male 59 years 182 cm or 6' tall

> > > > > > Currently 70 kilograms or 154 lbs (normal range

> > > > 70 kgs to

> > > > > > maybe 75kgs at

> > > > > > heaviest)

> > > > > > Try to keep fit attending gym 5 nights

> > > > weekly for

> > > > > > running and weights

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Resting Heart Rate 55 to 65 BPM (when

> > > > well and fit)

> > > > > > currently though

> > > > > > mostly higher

> > > > > > Under a lot of ongoing stress which can't be

> > > > solved

> > > > > > immediately

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gallbladder was removed in 1990 which was my

> > > > turning point

> > > > > > to eating

> > > > > > healthy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vegetarian eating seafood, cheese and eggs.

> > > > Recently added

> > > > > > chicken back

> > > > > > in. Try and focus on raw foods as much as I can.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Use Himalayan Salt on food and drink Celtic Sea

> > > > Salt ½ tsp

> > > > > > 3 x p/d

> > > > > > for low sodium

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been working on raising my chronic low

> > > > ferritin

> > > > > > levels, lowering

> > > > > > my stress load, lowering my RT3 levels, raising

> > > > my

> > > > > > Aldosterone, sodium

> > > > > > and potassium, supporting my adrenals, improving

> > > > digestion

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > absorption and trying to put on some weight, both

> > > > muscle

> > > > > > and fat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But with my latest serum Estradiol and

> > > > SHBG results I

> > > > > > now need to focus

> > > > > > on my sex hormones again as well, hence I am

> > > > here. Hope you

> > > > > > guys can

> > > > > > help me!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prescribed Drugs

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tertroxin ( Liothyronine) currently 40mcg daily

> > > > in split

> > > > > > doses, since

> > > > > > September 29 2010. Hoping to wean myself

> > > > from this

> > > > > > gradually in

> > > > > > February/March. Have been aiming for RT3 cellular

> > > > clearance

> > > > > > but not sure

> > > > > > if that is going to happen or not as I am on a

> > > > lowish dose

> > > > > > and wary of

> > > > > > going higher especially without any HC??

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Current Supplements per day

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Ethical Nutrients Iron Plus " 20 mg Iron x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thorne Iron Picollinate 25mg x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now Iron Bisglycinate 18mg x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fish oil 1000mg x 4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now Krill oil 1000mg x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Healthy Origins Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total Balance Multi x 7 tabs Premium combination

> > > > from NZ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vit D x 1000iu x 6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate & Chondroiton 1500mg x

> > > > 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prostate Complete x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ultra Zinc 46mg x 1 every 2nd day as already

> > > > getting 30mg

> > > > > > daily in other

> > > > > > supps

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Magnesium oil Ancient Minerals x 100mg

> > > > elemental

> > > > > > Magnesium on skin,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Morning smoothie with Flaxseeds, slippery elm,

> > > > psyllium

> > > > > > husks, WPI,

> > > > > > coconut oil, blueberries, almonds, yoghurt,

> > > > coconut cream

> > > > > > and rice milk.

> > > > > > Have been including Maca 1 tsp but currently just

> > > > cycling

> > > > > > it off and

> > > > > > will add it back in 2 weeks or so along with

> > > > LGlutamine ½

> > > > > > tsp x 2

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Recently added supplements (24th December 2010)

> > > > to target

> > > > > > sex hormones

> > > > > > and adrenals mostly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Natures Way DIM Plus x 6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Metabolic Maintenance DIM Complex x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LEF Super MiraForte x 4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now Tru C 400mg x 2

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ascorbic Palmitate Vit C 500mg x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thorne Basic B Complex (active) x 2

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now Licorice x 450mg x 2

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Doctors Best Proteolitic Enzymes x 2-3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now Super Digestive Enzymes x 2 with each meal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now Rhodiola 500mg x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > LEF Super Zeaxanthan x 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My ND injected 500mg then 1000mg Glutathione in

> > > > December

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Recently ceased supplements

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bio identical DHEA caps 25mg p/d ceased

> > > > 6th July 10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bio identical Testosterone cream ceasedÂÂ

> > > > 21st May 10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ALA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chelorex x 16 (for metals chelating) Vit E, C,

> > > > Selenium

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Evening Primrose oil 3 caps (ceased)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Indolplex

> > > > > >

> > > > > > EstroSense

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chrysin cream 5%

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chrysin cream 10%

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ExtremeY x 1 tab, mens mix includes Ashwaganda

> > > > 300mg,

> > > > > > Ginsengs, Ginko

> > > > > > etc (Ceased on Vals advice re Korean ginseng and

> > > > Ginko as

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > stimulating for struggling adrenal glands)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Testoroid/Erectomax

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Licorice Root 1 x 2 p/d from Dec 1st Have

> > > > replaced

> > > > > > with Now brand

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Herbs of Gold Stress Ease

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Recently ceased supplements that may have been

> > > > hindering

> > > > > > iron absorption

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pHour Salts alkalising salts copious amounts in

> > > > water

> > > > > > consisting of

> > > > > > calcium, sodium ,magnesium and potassium

> > > > bicarbonates

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Longevinex x 1 caps Resveratrol, quercetin,

> > > > phytate and

> > > > > > grape seed mix

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vit D continue to take but may have some effect

> > > > with

> > > > > > Calcium on iron

> > > > > > absorption???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Green tea within 4 hours of iron and meals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note as a mostly vegetarian, by definition I

> > > > consume mostly

> > > > > > vegetables

> > > > > > which I now understand contain phytates that

> > > > hinder iron

> > > > > > absorption.???

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Symptoms

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Very cold hands and feet, worse in winter to the

> > > > point of

> > > > > > " stinging " ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > fine tremor throughout entire body always

> > > > present,Â

> > > > > > recent occasional

> > > > > > tightness in the neck area, sunken cheeks, very

> > > > gaunt

> > > > > > sickly facial

> > > > > > appearance, dark circles under eyes, dry

> > > > nostrils

> > > > > > sometimes, episodes

> > > > > > of higher Blood pressure last year but low BPs in

> > > > more

> > > > > > recent times

> > > > > > along with raised pulse, low serum free

> > > > testosterone not

> > > > > > reacting to

> > > > > > supplementation, night sweats sometimes, unable

> > > > to put on

> > > > > > /maintain

> > > > > > weight despite 3000kcal diet and regular weights

> > > > workouts,

> > > > > > exceptionally

> > > > > > poor thin skin quality beyond age related

> > > > expectation, eyes

> > > > > > cloudy not

> > > > > > clear, rapidly thinning hair, outer 1/3rd

> > > > eyebrows gone,

> > > > > > lower back pain

> > > > > > sometimes feels like maybe kidney pain?? , Quite

> > > > often I

> > > > > > feel a general

> > > > > > unwell feeling and I am not thriving despite all

> > > > the

> > > > > > considerable effort

> > > > > > with lifestyle, exercise and diet. Recent 10k

> > > > race sent my

> > > > > > HR to 209

> > > > > > when previously it would only reach 175 to

> > > > 180max

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I must add that at this stage I do not have a lot

> > > > of the

> > > > > > seriously

> > > > > > debilitating symptoms that a lot of folk here and

> > > > the other

> > > > > > forums seem

> > > > > > to suffer from thankfully. I go to sleep

> > > > reasonably easy

> > > > > > most nights and

> > > > > > pretty much sleep through for 7 to 8 hours (some

> > > > nights a

> > > > > > bathroom visit

> > > > > > is required) but I do not wake refreshed but

> > > > rather

> > > > > > sluggish actually.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am a regular runner and I am able to do this

> > > > and remain

> > > > > > competitive

> > > > > > without overly undue exhaustion or air hunger

> > > > although this

> > > > > > seems to be

> > > > > > getting more difficult in recent times. But maybe

> > > > this is

> > > > > > because I have

> > > > > > been stopping some of my runs and have

> > > > replaced some

> > > > > > with walks so as

> > > > > > not to overtax my adrenals so they can heal,

> > > > hopefully. I

> > > > > > am not

> > > > > > diabetic, depressed, manic, brain fogged on drugs

> > > > of any

> > > > > > kind or

> > > > > > suffering from any formally identified illness. I

> > > > have

> > > > > > never had any

> > > > > > known problem with my Thyroid until I discovered

> > > > the RT3

> > > > > > site and

> > > > > > started researching and

> > > > testing….thankfully. Although in

> > > > > > the back of

> > > > > > my mind I had harboured a question mark over my

> > > > Thyroid for

> > > > > > some time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So it would seem that I have RT3

> > > > resistance in

> > > > > > the cells , sluggish

> > > > > > Adrenals, low ferritin, high SHBG, high Estradiol

> > > > and low

> > > > > > free

> > > > > > Testosterone, mid range Total Testosterone and

> > > > maybe low

> > > > > > cortisol as

> > > > > > well as low Aldosterone, sodium and

> > > > potassium.???. Not

> > > > > > withstanding that

> > > > > > my main problems as outlined above under

> > > > " Symptoms " are

> > > > > > severe

> > > > > > enough that they impact negatively on my quality

> > > > of life

> > > > > > and I

> > > > > > absolutely need to fix them…with your help,

> > > > I function

> > > > > > sort of ok on

> > > > > > a daily basis but I am very concerned about my

> > > > Estradiol

> > > > > > levels and my

> > > > > > unwell gaunt appearance is sending a message.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For the last 2 years or so I have been using both

> > > > bio

> > > > > > identical DHEA,

> > > > > > Chrysin cream and Testosterone cream in an effort

> > > > to

> > > > > > normalize my sex

> > > > > > hormone levels. Whilst the DHEA did seem to work

> > > > with good

> > > > > > results I was

> > > > > > concerned about the greater inbalance that this

> > > > was

> > > > > > creating with the

> > > > > > free Testosterone which was not rising.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I have decided to cease all of these until I

> > > > fully

> > > > > > address my

> > > > > > suspected Adrenal/RT3 problem as I suspect that

> > > > this issue

> > > > > > may also be

> > > > > > somewhat contributing to the mid range DHEA and

> > > > low free

> > > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > and high SHBG and especially my latest high

> > > > Estradiol (at

> > > > > > 192 or 52.3)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But that's only my thoughts , what do others

> > > > think?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My theory is that my thyroid is probably somewhat

> > > > normal in

> > > > > > producing

> > > > > > T4/T3 but the main problem is the mis-conversion

> > > > of T4 to

> > > > > > RT3 due to 20

> > > > > > years of vegetarianism contributing to chronic

> > > > low ferritin

> > > > > > levels plus

> > > > > > the significant stress upon me in the last 5

> > > > years (which

> > > > > > is when my

> > > > > > main symptons first manifested) combining to

> > > > produce my

> > > > > > resistance in

> > > > > > the cell receptors?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My aim is to support my adrenals hopefully with

> > > > only

> > > > > > Adaptogens and

> > > > > > vitamin supplements, continue to raise my

> > > > ferritin levels

> > > > > > with iron

> > > > > > tabs, clear my RT3 with T3 only in 12 to 16 weeks

> > > > or so

> > > > > > then wean off

> > > > > > the T3 after clearance allowing my then supported

> > > > adrenals

> > > > > > and increased

> > > > > > ferritin levels to promote normal function of

> > > > conversion of

> > > > > > T4 to T3 by

> > > > > > my thyroid?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I enclose the results of my last 2 Saliva tests

> > > > in July and

> > > > > > September

> > > > > > 2010

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Salivary Cortisol 19th July 2010ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > >  Â Â Â and  ÂÂ

> > > > Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â

> > > > > > 13th Sept

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8am    ÂÂ

> > > >  43.2

> > > > > > H   (6.0 †" 42.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > 34.3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Midday      3.4Â

> > > > > >   (0.0 †" 11.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > 7.4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4pm    ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > > 3.8     (2.0 †" 11.0

> > > > nmol/L)

> > > > > > 3.3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8pm    ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > > 3.2     (1.0 †" 8.0

> > > > nmol/L)

> > > > > > 0.8

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Daily total   53.6Â

> > > > > >    (11.0 †" 76.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > 46.8

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Midnight   3.1ÂÂ

> > > > Â

> > > > > >    (0.0 †" 5.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > 3.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Melatonin Midnight   10 (10 †"

> > > > 40

> > > > > > pg/mL)

> > > > > > 6.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Androgens

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DHEAS am   ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >      Â

> > > > > >    7.3  Â

> > > > > >    (5.0 †" 30.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > 6.7

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio    Â

> > > > 0.17

> > > > > > L  (0.20 †" 0.60 ratio)

> > > > > > 0.2

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Testosterone   ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > >      Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 370   ÂÂ

> > > >  (100

> > > > > > †" 720

> > > > > > pmol/L)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Progesterone (P4)  ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >   Â Â Â 139 ÂÂ

> > > > Â

> > > > > >     < 159pmol/L

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Estrogens

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Estradiol (E2)   ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   5.0Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > <6 pmol/L

> > > > > > 3.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Estrone (E1)   ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > >      Â

> > > > > >    23.0 H   Â

> > Â (9.6

> > > > > > †" 20.0

> > > > > > pg/mL)    25.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Estriol (E3)   ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > > <1.0     Â

> > > > Â (0.00

> > > > > > †" 25.0)

> > > > > > pg/mL   <1.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > > E3/ [E2+E1]   ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >      Â

> > > > Â Â 0.04

> > > > > > L    >1.0

> > > > Ratio

> > > > > > 0.04

> > > > > >

> > > > > > P4/E2 Ratio   ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   27.8Â

> > > > > >       (4.0 †"

> > > > 108.0

> > > > > > Ratio)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note I had been taking Ashwaganda 300mg plus

> > > > other

> > > > > > ingredients contained

> > > > > > in my " Nutra Life Extreme Y " Male supplement up

> > > > to 24

> > > > > > hours

> > > > > > prior to the July test but not for the September

> > > > test.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These below were part of the July test results of

> > > > urine

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Urine Spot

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Creatinine Urine Spot    4.6Â

> > > > > >    (6.5 †" 15.0)Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â mmol/L

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Urine Iodine   ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > >     73ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â ug/L

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Urine Iodine corrected ÂÂ

> > > > 140.4 Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â ug/gCR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Notes: Normal iodine status >100ug Iodine /g

> > > > creatinine

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Urine 24 hour

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Testosterone, urine  ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > >       0.9Â

> > > > > >    (0.6 †" 2.2)  Â

> > umol/24h

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also include some of my blood test history

> > > > through 2010

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >   Blood tests

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Feb-10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May-10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jun-10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > July/Aug/ Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Component

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Range

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > S & N Labs

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Testosterone total

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 10--33

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 24

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 22

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 18.6

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 24  22 ÂÂ

> > > > 21Â

> > > > > >  22

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Testosterone free

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 40-100

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 42

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 29

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 28  20 ÂÂ

> > > > 19Â

> > > > > >  18

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Testosterone free calc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 260-740

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 265

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oestradiol

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 40-250

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 162

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 131

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 89

> > > > > >

> > > > > >    155 155Â

> > > > > > 122Â Â Â 150Â Â Â 192

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DHEA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 300-2700

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1600

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2300

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 1300Â Â Â 1300

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SHBG

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 13-71

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 57

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 59

> > > > > >

> > > > > >    Â Â Â 60ÂÂ

> > > > Â

> > > > > >  56     81Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 79

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 17 OH Pregnenolone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.0-10.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5.5

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hydroxy-Progesterone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.2--1.8

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1.3

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > DHT

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3.19

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prolactin

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <15

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Luteinizing hormone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3--20

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     5

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Follicle Stimulating

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3--20

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 17

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >      17

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cotrisol 24 hour urine

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 80-590

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cortisol

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 190-610

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 320

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 360

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 450Â Â Â 530  520ÂÂ

> > > > 470Â

> > > > > >  370

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ACTH

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5--50

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 21

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 24

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >    22    43Â

> > > > > >   32  ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >  29

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Adrenaline

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <1.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.2

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Noradenaline

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <3.5

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >  5.9+

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Normetadrenaline free

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <900

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 308

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Metadrenaline free

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <500

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 145

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HbA1c

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <6

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PSA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <3.20

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.48

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.52

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 0.38   ÂÂ

> > > > Â

> > > > > > 0.45

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cholesterol

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3.9-7.4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5.1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4.5

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4.7  4.9 ÂÂ

> > > > 4.2 Â

> > > > > > 4.7Â Â Â 4.6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Triglycerides

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.3-2.2

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.5

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.6

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.5  0.6Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 0.5Â Â Â 0.4 ÂÂ

> > 0.4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ESR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1--20

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Serum Ferritin Assay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 20-320

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 48

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 42

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 60   / 40

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 61  55  Â

> > > > > > 55   60 57   66

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Iron

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 10--33

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 18

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 29

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 17   / 18

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 32  25  Â

> > > > > > 24   25 16 13

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Transferrin IBC

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 45 - 70

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 69 /   61

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 71  68  Â

> > > > > > 59   64 61   61

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Transferrin Saturation %

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 16 - 50

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 25 / 29

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 45  37  ÂÂ

> > > > 41Â

> > > > > > 39Â Â Â 26Â Â Â 21

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Serum Vit B12 Assay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 162-811

> > > > > >

> > > > > >       Â

> > > > 888+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 354

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 453

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >    Â

> > > > > > 902+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Red cell Magnesium

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5.2-7.5

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5.4

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Serum zinc

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 19

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     16

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Glucose

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3-6 fasting

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5.3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5.4

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >    5.3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Homocysteine

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.0-15.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 8.1

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     6.7

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vitamin D 25hydroxy

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 50-300

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 160

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 160

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >   140 120ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >     140

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Albumin

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 35-50

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 43

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >   Â Â Â 41 43ÂÂ

> > > > 45

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Globulins

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 20-40

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 27

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >   Â Â Â 24 24ÂÂ

> > > > 25

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renin

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3 -- 40

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 32

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 64+    ÂÂ

> > > > Â

> > > > > >    22 31 44

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aldosterone

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 100-950

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 190

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 440    ÂÂ

> > > >  Â

> > > > > > 250 210 280

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aldosterone/Renin ratio

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2--75

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7    ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >   11    7Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Red Cell Folate Assay

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 545-3370

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 869

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 556

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2343

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   Â

> > > > > >  1113

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THS

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.4-4.00

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0.7

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1.1

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     Â

> > > > > > 0.9Â Â Â 0.1Â Â Â 0.3ÂÂ

> > Â

> > > > > > 0.07

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Free T4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 10 - 20

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 17

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >       Â

> > > > 19Â

> > > > > >  13  13 ÂÂ

> > > > Â Â Â 11

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Free T3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.8 - 6.8

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     Â

> > > > > > 4.8Â Â Â 5.9Â Â Â 4.8ÂÂ

> > Â

> > > > > >  6.8

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <60

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 39

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >   42Â

> > > > > > 22

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <60

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 18

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >      Â

> > > > > >    43 53

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Red Cell Porphryn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0--900

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 430

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 530

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Reverse T3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 170--450

> > > > > >

> > > > > >       Â

> > > > 462+

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 449

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 540+

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Serum Leptin

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.0 - 5.6

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.4

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sodium

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 137 - 147

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 142

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 140

> > > > > >

> > > > > >    140 ÂÂ

> > > > 138Â

> > > > > >    139    138

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Potassium

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3.5 - 5.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4.4

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4.4

> > > > > >

> > > > > >      4.8Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 4.3  ÂÂ

> > > > 4.5 Â

> > > > > >  3.9

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Calcium

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.25- 2.65

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.46

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.43

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     2.64  Â

> > 2.49Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â 2.37Â Â Â 2.49

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Billirubin Total

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2 -- 20

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 17

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 23+

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     21ÂÂ

> > > >   18Â

> > > > > >    22 ÂÂ

> > > >  14

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Billirubin Direct

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 0 -- 8

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 7

> > > > > >

> > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > >    6

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Questions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Am I hopefully on the right track with the

> > > > DIM, Super

> > > > > > MiraForte and

> > > > > > other supplements targeting improvements in the

> > > > sex

> > > > > > hormones??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. What else do I need to do and what has been

> > > > the

> > > > > > experience of those

> > > > > > here with any of the above supps?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Are any of my vast array of supplements etc

> > > > likely to be

> > > > > > working

> > > > > > against me?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. I am unsure of my real iodine status (despite

> > > > spot test)

> > > > > > so have

> > > > > > stayed away from most identified iodine but not

> > > > sure if

> > > > > > this is the

> > > > > > right approach or the wrong approach so any

> > > > suggestions

> > > > > > might be

> > > > > > helpful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5. Does anyone know how to safely increase my

> > > > Aldosterone

> > > > > > levels or how

> > > > > > much Licorice is safe to take and for how long?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 6. It seems that taking salt for low sodium may

> > > > contribute

> > > > > > in driving

> > > > > > Aldosterone down so how do I raise sodium,

> > > > Aldosterone,

> > > > > > potassium and

> > > > > > also keep calcium from elevating?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am open to all comments and will very much

> > > > welcome your

> > > > > > input on any

> > > > > > aspect of the above as I feel I am now

> > > > desperately

> > > > > > struggling with all

> > > > > > this and can't really see my way forward.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Forgive me for the length of this post but I just

> > > > need to

> > > > > > get everything

> > > > > > out there for completeness.

> > > > > > The big question is what do I do now? Hopefully I

> > > > will

> > > > > > receive some

> > > > > > valuable advice and guidance from this informed

> > > > community.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kindest regards and warmest thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wayne

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Blood spot have a high rate of being inaccurate. Cortisol salvia is only valid

for male or it is the only thing that I will accept in a clincal setting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: gcaussieman gcaussieman@

> > > > > > > Subject: In need of help and

> > > > > guidance please

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:20 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi guys

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My first post here on this informative board

> > > > > which was

> > > > > > > highly

> > > > > > > recommended to me by Lethal Lee.

> > > > > > > I have been monitoring the posts in this forum

> > > > > for a little

> > > > > > > while and

> > > > > > > have read through many of the reports in the file

> > > > > section

> > > > > > > which I found

> > > > > > > very helpful so a big thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My story is that I have been bouncing around

> > > > > within the

> > > > > > > Australian

> > > > > > > allopathic medical system for the last 5 years

> > > > > without a

> > > > > > > creditable

> > > > > > > answer or a helpful diagnosis of what I believe

> > > > > are my RT3

> > > > > > > / Adrenal/

> > > > > > > Hormonal and low ferritin problem(s).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My comprehensive details are as follows. I know

> > > > > it is a lot

> > > > > > > so please

> > > > > > > excuse the length of this initial post but I

> > > > > thought I

> > > > > > > should get it all

> > > > > > > out there. If somebody could take the time and

> > > > > effort to

> > > > > > > provide some

> > > > > > > helpful guidance and advice it may assist me to

> > > > > finally

> > > > > > > move in the

> > > > > > > direction of solving my problem(s). For this I

> > > > > would be

> > > > > > > eternally

> > > > > > > grateful and hopefully a whole lot healthier.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been over on the RT3 and the NTH Adrenal

> > > > > forums

> > > > > > > looking for

> > > > > > > answers as well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My details

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >  Male 59 years 182 cm or 6' tall

> > > > > > > Currently 70 kilograms or 154 lbs (normal range

> > > > > 70 kgs to

> > > > > > > maybe 75kgs at

> > > > > > > heaviest)

> > > > > > > Try to keep fit attending gym 5 nights

> > > > > weekly for

> > > > > > > running and weights

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Resting Heart Rate 55 to 65 BPM (when

> > > > > well and fit)

> > > > > > > currently though

> > > > > > > mostly higher

> > > > > > > Under a lot of ongoing stress which can't be

> > > > > solved

> > > > > > > immediately

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gallbladder was removed in 1990 which was my

> > > > > turning point

> > > > > > > to eating

> > > > > > > healthy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vegetarian eating seafood, cheese and eggs.

> > > > > Recently added

> > > > > > > chicken back

> > > > > > > in. Try and focus on raw foods as much as I can.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Use Himalayan Salt on food and drink Celtic Sea

> > > > > Salt ½ tsp

> > > > > > > 3 x p/d

> > > > > > > for low sodium

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been working on raising my chronic low

> > > > > ferritin

> > > > > > > levels, lowering

> > > > > > > my stress load, lowering my RT3 levels, raising

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > Aldosterone, sodium

> > > > > > > and potassium, supporting my adrenals, improving

> > > > > digestion

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > absorption and trying to put on some weight, both

> > > > > muscle

> > > > > > > and fat.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But with my latest serum Estradiol and

> > > > > SHBG results I

> > > > > > > now need to focus

> > > > > > > on my sex hormones again as well, hence I am

> > > > > here. Hope you

> > > > > > > guys can

> > > > > > > help me!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prescribed Drugs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tertroxin ( Liothyronine) currently 40mcg daily

> > > > > in split

> > > > > > > doses, since

> > > > > > > September 29 2010. Hoping to wean myself

> > > > > from this

> > > > > > > gradually in

> > > > > > > February/March. Have been aiming for RT3 cellular

> > > > > clearance

> > > > > > > but not sure

> > > > > > > if that is going to happen or not as I am on a

> > > > > lowish dose

> > > > > > > and wary of

> > > > > > > going higher especially without any HC??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Current Supplements per day

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Ethical Nutrients Iron Plus " 20 mg Iron x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thorne Iron Picollinate 25mg x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now Iron Bisglycinate 18mg x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fish oil 1000mg x 4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now Krill oil 1000mg x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Healthy Origins Ubiquinol CoQ10 100mg x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Total Balance Multi x 7 tabs Premium combination

> > > > > from NZ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vit D x 1000iu x 6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Glucosamine Sulphate & Chondroiton 1500mg x

> > > > > 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prostate Complete x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ultra Zinc 46mg x 1 every 2nd day as already

> > > > > getting 30mg

> > > > > > > daily in other

> > > > > > > supps

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Magnesium oil Ancient Minerals x 100mg

> > > > > elemental

> > > > > > > Magnesium on skin,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Morning smoothie with Flaxseeds, slippery elm,

> > > > > psyllium

> > > > > > > husks, WPI,

> > > > > > > coconut oil, blueberries, almonds, yoghurt,

> > > > > coconut cream

> > > > > > > and rice milk.

> > > > > > > Have been including Maca 1 tsp but currently just

> > > > > cycling

> > > > > > > it off and

> > > > > > > will add it back in 2 weeks or so along with

> > > > > LGlutamine ½

> > > > > > > tsp x 2

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Recently added supplements (24th December 2010)

> > > > > to target

> > > > > > > sex hormones

> > > > > > > and adrenals mostly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Natures Way DIM Plus x 6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Metabolic Maintenance DIM Complex x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > LEF Super MiraForte x 4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now Tru C 400mg x 2

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ascorbic Palmitate Vit C 500mg x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jarrow Adrenal Optimizer x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thorne Basic B Complex (active) x 2

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now Licorice x 450mg x 2

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Doctors Best Proteolitic Enzymes x 2-3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now Super Digestive Enzymes x 2 with each meal

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now Rhodiola 500mg x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > LEF Super Zeaxanthan x 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My ND injected 500mg then 1000mg Glutathione in

> > > > > December

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Recently ceased supplements

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bio identical DHEA caps 25mg p/d ceased

> > > > > 6th July 10

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bio identical Testosterone cream ceasedÂÂ

> > > > > 21st May 10

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ALA

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chelorex x 16 (for metals chelating) Vit E, C,

> > > > > Selenium

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Evening Primrose oil 3 caps (ceased)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Indolplex

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > EstroSense

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chrysin cream 5%

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chrysin cream 10%

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ExtremeY x 1 tab, mens mix includes Ashwaganda

> > > > > 300mg,

> > > > > > > Ginsengs, Ginko

> > > > > > > etc (Ceased on Vals advice re Korean ginseng and

> > > > > Ginko as

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > stimulating for struggling adrenal glands)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Testoroid/Erectomax

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Licorice Root 1 x 2 p/d from Dec 1st Have

> > > > > replaced

> > > > > > > with Now brand

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Herbs of Gold Stress Ease

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Recently ceased supplements that may have been

> > > > > hindering

> > > > > > > iron absorption

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pHour Salts alkalising salts copious amounts in

> > > > > water

> > > > > > > consisting of

> > > > > > > calcium, sodium ,magnesium and potassium

> > > > > bicarbonates

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Longevinex x 1 caps Resveratrol, quercetin,

> > > > > phytate and

> > > > > > > grape seed mix

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vit D continue to take but may have some effect

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > Calcium on iron

> > > > > > > absorption???

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Green tea within 4 hours of iron and meals.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note as a mostly vegetarian, by definition I

> > > > > consume mostly

> > > > > > > vegetables

> > > > > > > which I now understand contain phytates that

> > > > > hinder iron

> > > > > > > absorption.???

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Symptoms

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Very cold hands and feet, worse in winter to the

> > > > > point of

> > > > > > > " stinging " ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > fine tremor throughout entire body always

> > > > > present,Â

> > > > > > > recent occasional

> > > > > > > tightness in the neck area, sunken cheeks, very

> > > > > gaunt

> > > > > > > sickly facial

> > > > > > > appearance, dark circles under eyes, dry

> > > > > nostrils

> > > > > > > sometimes, episodes

> > > > > > > of higher Blood pressure last year but low BPs in

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > recent times

> > > > > > > along with raised pulse, low serum free

> > > > > testosterone not

> > > > > > > reacting to

> > > > > > > supplementation, night sweats sometimes, unable

> > > > > to put on

> > > > > > > /maintain

> > > > > > > weight despite 3000kcal diet and regular weights

> > > > > workouts,

> > > > > > > exceptionally

> > > > > > > poor thin skin quality beyond age related

> > > > > expectation, eyes

> > > > > > > cloudy not

> > > > > > > clear, rapidly thinning hair, outer 1/3rd

> > > > > eyebrows gone,

> > > > > > > lower back pain

> > > > > > > sometimes feels like maybe kidney pain?? , Quite

> > > > > often I

> > > > > > > feel a general

> > > > > > > unwell feeling and I am not thriving despite all

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > considerable effort

> > > > > > > with lifestyle, exercise and diet. Recent 10k

> > > > > race sent my

> > > > > > > HR to 209

> > > > > > > when previously it would only reach 175 to

> > > > > 180max

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I must add that at this stage I do not have a lot

> > > > > of the

> > > > > > > seriously

> > > > > > > debilitating symptoms that a lot of folk here and

> > > > > the other

> > > > > > > forums seem

> > > > > > > to suffer from thankfully. I go to sleep

> > > > > reasonably easy

> > > > > > > most nights and

> > > > > > > pretty much sleep through for 7 to 8 hours (some

> > > > > nights a

> > > > > > > bathroom visit

> > > > > > > is required) but I do not wake refreshed but

> > > > > rather

> > > > > > > sluggish actually.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am a regular runner and I am able to do this

> > > > > and remain

> > > > > > > competitive

> > > > > > > without overly undue exhaustion or air hunger

> > > > > although this

> > > > > > > seems to be

> > > > > > > getting more difficult in recent times. But maybe

> > > > > this is

> > > > > > > because I have

> > > > > > > been stopping some of my runs and have

> > > > > replaced some

> > > > > > > with walks so as

> > > > > > > not to overtax my adrenals so they can heal,

> > > > > hopefully. I

> > > > > > > am not

> > > > > > > diabetic, depressed, manic, brain fogged on drugs

> > > > > of any

> > > > > > > kind or

> > > > > > > suffering from any formally identified illness. I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > never had any

> > > > > > > known problem with my Thyroid until I discovered

> > > > > the RT3

> > > > > > > site and

> > > > > > > started researching and

> > > > > testing….thankfully. Although in

> > > > > > > the back of

> > > > > > > my mind I had harboured a question mark over my

> > > > > Thyroid for

> > > > > > > some time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So it would seem that I have RT3

> > > > > resistance in

> > > > > > > the cells , sluggish

> > > > > > > Adrenals, low ferritin, high SHBG, high Estradiol

> > > > > and low

> > > > > > > free

> > > > > > > Testosterone, mid range Total Testosterone and

> > > > > maybe low

> > > > > > > cortisol as

> > > > > > > well as low Aldosterone, sodium and

> > > > > potassium.???. Not

> > > > > > > withstanding that

> > > > > > > my main problems as outlined above under

> > > > > " Symptoms " are

> > > > > > > severe

> > > > > > > enough that they impact negatively on my quality

> > > > > of life

> > > > > > > and I

> > > > > > > absolutely need to fix them…with your help,

> > > > > I function

> > > > > > > sort of ok on

> > > > > > > a daily basis but I am very concerned about my

> > > > > Estradiol

> > > > > > > levels and my

> > > > > > > unwell gaunt appearance is sending a message.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For the last 2 years or so I have been using both

> > > > > bio

> > > > > > > identical DHEA,

> > > > > > > Chrysin cream and Testosterone cream in an effort

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > normalize my sex

> > > > > > > hormone levels. Whilst the DHEA did seem to work

> > > > > with good

> > > > > > > results I was

> > > > > > > concerned about the greater inbalance that this

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > creating with the

> > > > > > > free Testosterone which was not rising.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So I have decided to cease all of these until I

> > > > > fully

> > > > > > > address my

> > > > > > > suspected Adrenal/RT3 problem as I suspect that

> > > > > this issue

> > > > > > > may also be

> > > > > > > somewhat contributing to the mid range DHEA and

> > > > > low free

> > > > > > > Testosterone

> > > > > > > and high SHBG and especially my latest high

> > > > > Estradiol (at

> > > > > > > 192 or 52.3)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But that's only my thoughts , what do others

> > > > > think?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My theory is that my thyroid is probably somewhat

> > > > > normal in

> > > > > > > producing

> > > > > > > T4/T3 but the main problem is the mis-conversion

> > > > > of T4 to

> > > > > > > RT3 due to 20

> > > > > > > years of vegetarianism contributing to chronic

> > > > > low ferritin

> > > > > > > levels plus

> > > > > > > the significant stress upon me in the last 5

> > > > > years (which

> > > > > > > is when my

> > > > > > > main symptons first manifested) combining to

> > > > > produce my

> > > > > > > resistance in

> > > > > > > the cell receptors?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My aim is to support my adrenals hopefully with

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > Adaptogens and

> > > > > > > vitamin supplements, continue to raise my

> > > > > ferritin levels

> > > > > > > with iron

> > > > > > > tabs, clear my RT3 with T3 only in 12 to 16 weeks

> > > > > or so

> > > > > > > then wean off

> > > > > > > the T3 after clearance allowing my then supported

> > > > > adrenals

> > > > > > > and increased

> > > > > > > ferritin levels to promote normal function of

> > > > > conversion of

> > > > > > > T4 to T3 by

> > > > > > > my thyroid?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I enclose the results of my last 2 Saliva tests

> > > > > in July and

> > > > > > > September

> > > > > > > 2010

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Salivary Cortisol 19th July 2010ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > >  Â Â Â and  ÂÂ

> > > > > Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â

> > > > > > > 13th Sept

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8am    ÂÂ

> > > > >  43.2

> > > > > > > H   (6.0 †" 42.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > > 34.3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Midday      3.4Â

> > > > > > >   (0.0 †" 11.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > > 7.4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4pm    ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > > 3.8     (2.0 †" 11.0

> > > > > nmol/L)

> > > > > > > 3.3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8pm    ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > > 3.2     (1.0 †" 8.0

> > > > > nmol/L)

> > > > > > > 0.8

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Daily total   53.6Â

> > > > > > >    (11.0 †" 76.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > > 46.8

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Midnight   3.1ÂÂ

> > > > > Â

> > > > > > >    (0.0 †" 5.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > > 3.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Melatonin Midnight   10 (10 †"

> > > > > 40

> > > > > > > pg/mL)

> > > > > > > 6.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Androgens

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DHEAS am   ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >      Â

> > > > > > >    7.3  Â

> > > > > > >    (5.0 †" 30.0 nmol/L)

> > > > > > > 6.7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DHEAS/Cortisol am ratio    Â

> > > > > 0.17

> > > > > > > L  (0.20 †" 0.60 ratio)

> > > > > > > 0.2

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Testosterone   ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > >      Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 370   ÂÂ

> > > > >  (100

> > > > > > > †" 720

> > > > > > > pmol/L)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Progesterone (P4)  ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >   Â Â Â 139 ÂÂ

> > > > > Â

> > > > > > >     < 159pmol/L

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Estrogens

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Estradiol (E2)   ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   5.0Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > > <6 pmol/L

> > > > > > > 3.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Estrone (E1)   ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > >      Â

> > > > > > >    23.0 H   Â

> > > Â (9.6

> > > > > > > †" 20.0

> > > > > > > pg/mL)    25.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Estriol (E3)   ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > > <1.0     Â

> > > > > Â (0.00

> > > > > > > †" 25.0)

> > > > > > > pg/mL   <1.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > E3/ [E2+E1]   ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >      Â

> > > > > Â Â 0.04

> > > > > > > L    >1.0

> > > > > Ratio

> > > > > > > 0.04

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > P4/E2 Ratio   ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   27.8Â

> > > > > > >       (4.0 †"

> > > > > 108.0

> > > > > > > Ratio)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note I had been taking Ashwaganda 300mg plus

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > ingredients contained

> > > > > > > in my " Nutra Life Extreme Y " Male supplement up

> > > > > to 24

> > > > > > > hours

> > > > > > > prior to the July test but not for the September

> > > > > test.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > These below were part of the July test results of

> > > > > urine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Urine Spot

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Creatinine Urine Spot    4.6Â

> > > > > > >    (6.5 †" 15.0)Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â mmol/L

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Urine Iodine   ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > >     73ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â ug/L

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Urine Iodine corrected ÂÂ

> > > > > 140.4 Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â ug/gCR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Notes: Normal iodine status >100ug Iodine /g

> > > > > creatinine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Urine 24 hour

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Testosterone, urine  ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > >       0.9Â

> > > > > > >    (0.6 †" 2.2)  Â

> > > umol/24h

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also include some of my blood test history

> > > > > through 2010

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >   Blood tests

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Feb-10

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May-10

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jun-10

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > July/Aug/ Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec 10

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Component

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Range

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > S & N Labs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Testosterone total

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 10--33

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 24

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 22

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 18.6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 24  22 ÂÂ

> > > > > 21Â

> > > > > > >  22

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Testosterone free

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 40-100

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 42

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 29

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 28  20 ÂÂ

> > > > > 19Â

> > > > > > >  18

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Testosterone free calc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 260-740

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 265

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oestradiol

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 40-250

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 162

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 131

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 89

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >    155 155Â

> > > > > > > 122Â Â Â 150Â Â Â 192

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DHEA

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 300-2700

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1600

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2300

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 1300Â Â Â 1300

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SHBG

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 13-71

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 57

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 59

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >    Â Â Â 60ÂÂ

> > > > > Â

> > > > > > >  56     81Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 79

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 17 OH Pregnenolone

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.0-10.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5.5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hydroxy-Progesterone

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.2--1.8

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1.3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > DHT

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3.19

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prolactin

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <15

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Luteinizing hormone

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3--20

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Follicle Stimulating

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3--20

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 17

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >      17

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cotrisol 24 hour urine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 80-590

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cortisol

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 190-610

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 320

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 360

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 450Â Â Â 530  520ÂÂ

> > > > > 470Â

> > > > > > >  370

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ACTH

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5--50

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 21

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 24

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >    22    43Â

> > > > > > >   32  ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >  29

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Adrenaline

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <1.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.2

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Noradenaline

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <3.5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >  5.9+

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Normetadrenaline free

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <900

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 308

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Metadrenaline free

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <500

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 145

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HbA1c

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PSA

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <3.20

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.48

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.52

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 0.38   ÂÂ

> > > > > Â

> > > > > > > 0.45

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cholesterol

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3.9-7.4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5.1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4.5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4.7  4.9 ÂÂ

> > > > > 4.2 Â

> > > > > > > 4.7Â Â Â 4.6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Triglycerides

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.3-2.2

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.5  0.6Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 0.5Â Â Â 0.4 ÂÂ

> > > 0.4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ESR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1--20

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Serum Ferritin Assay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 20-320

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 48

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 42

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 60   / 40

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 61  55  Â

> > > > > > > 55   60 57   66

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Iron

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 10--33

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 18

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 29

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 17   / 18

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 32  25  Â

> > > > > > > 24   25 16 13

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Transferrin IBC

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 45 - 70

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 69 /   61

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 71  68  Â

> > > > > > > 59   64 61   61

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Transferrin Saturation %

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 16 - 50

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 25 / 29

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 45  37  ÂÂ

> > > > > 41Â

> > > > > > > 39Â Â Â 26Â Â Â 21

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Serum Vit B12 Assay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 162-811

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >       Â

> > > > > 888+

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 354

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 453

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >    Â

> > > > > > > 902+

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Red cell Magnesium

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5.2-7.5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5.4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Serum zinc

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 19

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     16

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Glucose

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3-6 fasting

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5.3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5.4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >    5.3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Homocysteine

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.0-15.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 11

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 8.1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     6.7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vitamin D 25hydroxy

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 50-300

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 160

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 160

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >   140 120ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >     140

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Albumin

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 35-50

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 43

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >   Â Â Â 41 43ÂÂ

> > > > > 45

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Globulins

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 20-40

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 27

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >   Â Â Â 24 24ÂÂ

> > > > > 25

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Renin

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3 -- 40

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 32

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 64+    ÂÂ

> > > > > Â

> > > > > > >    22 31 44

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aldosterone

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 100-950

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 190

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 440    ÂÂ

> > > > >  Â

> > > > > > > 250 210 280

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Aldosterone/Renin ratio

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2--75

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7    ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >   11    7Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Red Cell Folate Assay

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 545-3370

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 869

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 556

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2343

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   Â

> > > > > > >  1113

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > THS

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.4-4.00

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0.7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1.1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     Â

> > > > > > > 0.9Â Â Â 0.1Â Â Â 0.3ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > > > > 0.07

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Free T4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 10 - 20

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 17

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >       Â

> > > > > 19Â

> > > > > > >  13  13 ÂÂ

> > > > > Â Â Â 11

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Free T3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.8 - 6.8

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     Â

> > > > > > > 4.8Â Â Â 5.9Â Â Â 4.8ÂÂ

> > > Â

> > > > > > >  6.8

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anti Thyroglobulin Ab

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <60

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 39

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >   42Â

> > > > > > > 22

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Anti Thyroid Peroxidase Ab

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <60

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 18

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >      Â

> > > > > > >    43 53

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Red Cell Porphryn

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0--900

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 430

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 530

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Reverse T3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 170--450

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >       Â

> > > > > 462+

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 449

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 540+

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Serum Leptin

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.0 - 5.6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sodium

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 137 - 147

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 142

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 140

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >    140 ÂÂ

> > > > > 138Â

> > > > > > >    139    138

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Potassium

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3.5 - 5.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4.4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4.4

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >      4.8Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 4.3  ÂÂ

> > > > > 4.5 Â

> > > > > > >  3.9

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Calcium

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.25- 2.65

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.46

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.43

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     2.64  Â

> > > 2.49Â

> > > > > > > Â Â Â 2.37Â Â Â 2.49

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Billirubin Total

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2 -- 20

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 17

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 23+

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     21ÂÂ

> > > > >   18Â

> > > > > > >    22 ÂÂ

> > > > >  14

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Billirubin Direct

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 0 -- 8

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >     ÂÂ

> > > > >    6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Questions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Am I hopefully on the right track with the

> > > > > DIM, Super

> > > > > > > MiraForte and

> > > > > > > other supplements targeting improvements in the

> > > > > sex

> > > > > > > hormones??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. What else do I need to do and what has been

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > experience of those

> > > > > > > here with any of the above supps?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Are any of my vast array of supplements etc

> > > > > likely to be

> > > > > > > working

> > > > > > > against me?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. I am unsure of my real iodine status (despite

> > > > > spot test)

> > > > > > > so have

> > > > > > > stayed away from most identified iodine but not

> > > > > sure if

> > > > > > > this is the

> > > > > > > right approach or the wrong approach so any

> > > > > suggestions

> > > > > > > might be

> > > > > > > helpful.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5. Does anyone know how to safely increase my

> > > > > Aldosterone

> > > > > > > levels or how

> > > > > > > much Licorice is safe to take and for how long?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6. It seems that taking salt for low sodium may

> > > > > contribute

> > > > > > > in driving

> > > > > > > Aldosterone down so how do I raise sodium,

> > > > > Aldosterone,

> > > > > > > potassium and

> > > > > > > also keep calcium from elevating?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am open to all comments and will very much

> > > > > welcome your

> > > > > > > input on any

> > > > > > > aspect of the above as I feel I am now

> > > > > desperately

> > > > > > > struggling with all

> > > > > > > this and can't really see my way forward.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Forgive me for the length of this post but I just

> > > > > need to

> > > > > > > get everything

> > > > > > > out there for completeness.

> > > > > > > The big question is what do I do now? Hopefully I

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > receive some

> > > > > > > valuable advice and guidance from this informed

> > > > > community.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindest regards and warmest thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wayne

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil

Thank you for the link. It is an interesting article. There are a couple of

things worthy of discussion.

I note that the stated primary symptom of adrenal fatigue is chronic fatigue and

it is interesting that I don't feel that it is one of my symptoms that I would

list.

Secondly the one supplement that was recommended is Vit C 3000mgs to 6000mgs

daily. At Christmas time I started adding in Vit C (both oil and water soluable

forms)to my supplements but only a total of 1300mgs daily. I added this mainly

to help with the asorption of iron and I take it at the same time. Maybe I

should increase to maybe 3000mgs. What do you think?

Plus this which seems to raise the old cliche of the chicken or the egg

scenario. He is referring to a woman here but I assume the same principal

applies to a male.

I quote

''Just as estrogen dominance can contribute to adrenal insufficiency, adrenal

insufficiency can contribute to estrogen dominance. Cortisol is made in the

adrenal cortex from progesterone. If progesterone levels are low, then cortisol

levels are likely to be low as well. Because the body considers cortisol more

important to survival than progesterone, whatever progesterone is available in

the adrenal cortex is going to be converted into cortisol.''

My Progesterone in saliva was highish in range at 139 range <159 and in blood

1.3 range (0.2 - 1.8pmol/L)

One thing I noticed in my older labs is that each of 3 resluts for noradrenaline

has been over range the latest was 5.9 range <3.5.

I am not sure of the implications of this and my endo saw it but did not comment

upon it and my local GP does not know of it's significance.

I further note that he talks of a dose of HC at 1.25 to 2.5 mgs as being

beneficial. I have some HC tablets which I purchased when I started Tertroxin on

a ''just in case I needed them basis'' but have never taken any. These are

considerably more potent at 20mgs per tab. Do you think there is any benefit to

be had by me even with a low dose at discussed?

What do you think of my September cortisol salivas (as previously posted)?

Mt Total Testosterone has been mid range and my Free Testosterone is always

under range with DHEA mid range but Estradiol and SHBG are fluctuating and high.

My LH is always low in range and FSH highish in range.

Phil I am not sure that you or anybody else were able to correctly read my labs

in MS Word table form from my first post (yes the long one) due to the srambled

formatting that happened when I posted it to the web. Is there a trick to

getting this to show correctly as originally designed?

Thank you for the link to chillin's Hormones 101 and more. I will read it when I

get the chance.

The more I read around here and elsewhere it seems that for men Public Enemy No

1 is Estrogen in all its forms. Therfore that's what I should be concentrating

on rectifying. Have I got that right?

I do take my DIM capsules along with some coconut oil in my shake. Will this

have the same helpful effect as opening and using olive oil?

Thanks Phil for everything.

Kinest regards

Wayne

BTW I had a little piece of steak for the second night in a row so I am on my

way.

>

> > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...>

> > Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance please

> >

> > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:40 PM

> >

> > Hi Phil

> >

> > It is interesting that the man who advised me to have my

> > hormones tested

> > in saliva as they are far more accurate was the same Dr

> > Serafin

> > that we spoke of before. He was the man who compounded my

> > chrysin creams

> > but was honest enough to advise that he was doubtful they

> > would do the

> > trick. I can now concur with him.

> >

> > So I attach a link back to the same site you earlier

> > provided a link for

> > but to a different page. it is interesting reading in a

> > simple language

> > that even I can readily absorb.

> >

> > http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/41/

> > <http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/41/>

> >

> > An extract follows

> >

> > 3) Saliva testing measures the free and therefore

> > biologically active

> > form of several of the major hormones in saliva †"

> > estriol,

> > estradiol, estrone, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA and

> > cortisol.

> > Saliva tests have been proven to be an accurate reflection

> > of hormone

> > levels present inside cells, where the hormone action takes

> > place,

> > whereas blood tests measure hormones outside the cells. It

> > is considered

> > to be the gold standard for hormone analysis by the World

> > Health

> > Organisation (WHO) and even used by NASA. Despite the

> > WHO's

> > recommendation to use saliva hormone testing and all the

> > research to

> > back up its accuracy it is often the most criticised and

> > neglected

> > method by medical practitioners, many whom refuse to order

> > such tests as

> > they are not informed of the differences and usually state

> > there is no

> > research to validate saliva testing. Click here

> > <

>

[Guest guest]

OK when I was very low on Cortisol but I am Secondary meaning my Pituitary does

not tell my Adrenals to make Cortisol. I had one infection after the other

every winter. This in it's self makes one suffer fatigue. Plus the low

Testosterone did make me suffer fatigue.

When I first got sick my complaint was the bad fatigue I suffered. But I have

talked to a lot of people with AI that had no fatigue or infections. We all are

not the same and react different to problems.

As for Vit. C I only take 1000 mgs 2x's / day with my Iron pills. It is said to

go by your bowels if they get loose your on too much.

My Vit. C is a 12-hour period (second stage).

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Here is what I found to be the best Iron pills to take work dam good for me.

Cypress Ferrous Fumarate 324 mg Tablets I started with 1 tab 2x's / day.

Estrogen in higher levels on men can mess with all kinds of things.

If your Prog. levels are this good I would not supplement with it.

This Question came up again the other day at Dr. 's forum.

" Re: Is Prog really feminizing? "

Here is what Dr. said.

Question:

1). Elevates SHBG

2). Strongly inhibits the HPTA

3). Causes gyno

4). Inhibits sexual function in males

Answer:

A). Estrogen

. PROG

C). All of the above

No one Answered it so he said the answer is " C " .

He also said this:

Here's where I am at with PROG supplementation in adult males.

The sweet spot for sexuality in adult males is often less than the sweet spot

for where he " feels best " . When I see this, often DHT is VERY high. It is as if

all that extra androgen is burning up the circuits (excessive CNS activity,

causing sympathetic nervous system hyperactivity, which squelches erection

quality).

In these cases, PROG supplementation may help.

But this is a far cry from supplementing PROG empirically.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

You would do good to go to Dr. s forum and read some of this stuff it's dam

good and do read the Sticky " Hormones 101 " at

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?2-All-Things-Male

As for going on HC meds you need to talk to your Dr. about this. But to only

take 1.25 to 2.5 mgs is how we start on it one would start at 2.5 mgs in the

morning going up 2.5 mgs every 3 days until your doing 5mgs 4x's / day. One

needs about 20 to 40 mgs /day to support there body on HC meds.

No talking your DIM and it should be about 120 mgs needs to be added to the oil

in a tsp and taken but it's self so it can get past your stomach. Putting it in

a shake will now work.

Like I said if your can work with Hardasnails I thing it would be worth your

wiled.

I did have a hard time reading your labs but I see this all the time I don't

feel I miss anything. You can scan your labs and put them on this site and

leave a link to them.

http://imageshack.us/

Most of the time I just type them in but they are not all of them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...>

> Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance please

>

> Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 7:04 AM

> Hi Phil

> Thank you for the link. It is an interesting article. There

> are a couple of things worthy of discussion.

> I note that the stated primary symptom of adrenal fatigue

> is chronic fatigue and it is interesting that I don't feel

> that it is one of my symptoms that I would list.

> Secondly the one supplement that was recommended is Vit C

> 3000mgs to 6000mgs daily. At Christmas time I started adding

> in Vit C (both oil and water soluable forms)to my

> supplements but only a total of 1300mgs daily. I added this

> mainly to help with the asorption of iron and I take it at

> the same time. Maybe I should increase to maybe 3000mgs.

> What do you think?

> Plus this which seems to raise the old cliche of the

> chicken or the egg scenario. He is referring to a woman here

> but I assume the same principal applies to a male.

> I quote

> ''Just as estrogen dominance can contribute to adrenal

> insufficiency, adrenal

> insufficiency can contribute to estrogen dominance.

> Cortisol is made in the

> adrenal cortex from progesterone. If progesterone levels

> are low, then cortisol

> levels are likely to be low as well. Because the body

> considers cortisol more

> important to survival than progesterone, whatever

> progesterone is available in

> the adrenal cortex is going to be converted into

> cortisol.''

>

> My Progesterone in saliva was highish in range at 139 range

> <159 and in blood 1.3 range (0.2 - 1.8pmol/L)

> One thing I noticed in my older labs is that each of 3

> resluts for noradrenaline has been over range the latest was

> 5.9 range <3.5.

> I am not sure of the implications of this and my endo saw

> it but did not comment upon it and my local GP does not know

> of it's significance.

>

> I further note that he talks of a dose of HC at 1.25 to 2.5

> mgs as being beneficial. I have some HC tablets which I

> purchased when I started Tertroxin on a ''just in case I

> needed them basis'' but have never taken any. These are

> considerably more potent at 20mgs per tab. Do you think

> there is any benefit to be had by me even with a low dose at

> discussed?

> What do you think of my September cortisol salivas (as

> previously posted)?

> Mt Total Testosterone has been mid range and my Free

> Testosterone is always under range with DHEA mid range but

> Estradiol and SHBG are fluctuating and high. My LH is always

> low in range and FSH highish in range.

> Phil I am not sure that you or anybody else were able to

> correctly read my labs in MS Word table form from my first

> post (yes the long one) due to the srambled formatting that

> happened when I posted it to the web. Is there a trick to

> getting this to show correctly as originally designed?

> Thank you for the link to chillin's Hormones 101 and more.

> I will read it when I get the chance.

> The more I read around here and elsewhere it seems that for

> men Public Enemy No 1 is Estrogen in all its forms. Therfore

> that's what I should be concentrating on rectifying. Have I

> got that right?

>

> I do take my DIM capsules along with some coconut oil in my

> shake. Will this have the same helpful effect as opening and

> using olive oil?

>

> Thanks Phil for everything.

> Kinest regards

> Wayne

> BTW I had a little piece of steak for the second night in a

> row so I am on my way.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...>

> > > Subject: Re: In need of help and

> guidance please

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 11:40 PM

> > >

> > > Hi Phil

> > >

> > > It is interesting that the man who advised me to

> have my

> > > hormones tested

> > > in saliva as they are far more accurate was the

> same Dr

> > > Serafin

> > > that we spoke of before. He was the man who

> compounded my

> > > chrysin creams

> > > but was honest enough to advise that he was

> doubtful they

> > > would do the

> > > trick. I can now concur with him.

> > >

> > > So I attach a link back to the same site you

> earlier

> > > provided a link for

> > > but to a different page. it is interesting

> reading in a

> > > simple language

> > > that even I can readily absorb.

> > >

> > > http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/41/

> > > <http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/41/>

> > >

> > > An extract follows

> > >

> > > 3) Saliva testing measures the free and

> therefore

> > > biologically active

> > > form of several of the major hormones in saliva

> †"

> > > estriol,

> > > estradiol, estrone, progesterone, testosterone,

> DHEA and

> > > cortisol.

> > > Saliva tests have been proven to be an accurate

> reflection

> > > of hormone

> > > levels present inside cells, where the hormone

> action takes

> > > place,

> > > whereas blood tests measure hormones outside the

> cells. It

> > > is considered

> > > to be the gold standard for hormone analysis by

> the World

> > > Health

> > > Organisation (WHO) and even used by NASA. Despite

> the

> > > WHO's

> > > recommendation to use saliva hormone testing and

> all the

> > > research to

> > > back up its accuracy it is often the most

> criticised and

> > > neglected

> > > method by medical practitioners, many whom refuse

> to order

> > > such tests as

> > > they are not informed of the differences and

> usually state

> > > there is no

> > > research to validate saliva testing. Click here

> > > <

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nigel

I refer to your point on gluten free. I suspect that I don't have a gluten

sensitivity but I admit I don't know for sure. Are you aware of another sort of

test that would more accurately reveal if gluten really is a problem for my

system?

I dropped most grains about a year or so back but do still sometimes eat brown

rice, rice flour pizza base,spelt flour pastry, lentils, beans, WPI etc.

Although I do make note from your comments that it appears that it is so

critical that even a crumb can disrupt those that are alergic. I will have to

look further at what common foods (and my supps) actually contain gluten. Apart

from my sex hormone, adrenal,tremor and RT3 problems I don't actually feel sick

or unwell most of the time Granted though I am not at the top of my game.

I took your advice and posted my licorice and iodine questions to NTH and am

awaiting a reply or two.

What sort of iodine detox symptoms are you referring to from your experience?

I have talked to Phil re DIM and at this stage I will continue on with my

Natures Way DIM Plus until I have my next blood tests which should reveal if it

is actually working or not.If not then I will consider either changing to

Indolplex or Arimidex as a last resort.

Thank you Nigel for your thoughtful input.

Kind regards

Wayne

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Nigel

> >

> > Thank you also for your time and interest in replying to my long post.

> >

> > It is very much appreciated.

> >

> > Yes I have recently started taking Now brand Tru-C BioComplex Vitamin C

> > 400mg with the iron that does not have Vit C included. I am also using

> > Now brand Abscorbyl Palmitate which is a fat soluable form of Abscorbic

> > Acid and I take it at breakfast with the Iron Plus which does already

> > have Vit C as a co factor. I also take Digestive Enzymes each time with

> > the iron and meals which has 400mg Betaine HCI included.

> >

> > I have only been using these since Christmas Eve and I will re testing

> > in 2 weeks to see if there has been an improvement in absorption of the

> > iron.

> >

> > I was tested for celiac disease via a blood test some years ago and that

> > was negative. I also am on the verge of adding red meat back into my

> > diet which is going to be a big thing for me after 21 years of

> > vegetarianism.

> >

> > I also have started yesterday to wean off my T3 which should take 3

> > weeks or less. My thyroid still works but my problem has been

> > misconverting the T4 to RT3 in the peripheral cells as I understand it.

> > Hence the T3 only regime. At the end I should not be on any thyroid

> > medication at all if all goes actually to plan.

> >

> > The Natures Way DIM Plus contains 100mg of a complex which actually

> > delivers only 25mg of Bio Response DIM per capsule therefore I am taking

> > 100mg DIM in total per day. The label also advises that for intensive

> > treatment the dosage can be doubled.

> >

> > I guess for now I will have to rely on my iodine spot test result which

> > says at least I don't have a deficiency, I think. So I probably

> > won't look to supplement iodine at this stage. I was previously

> > getting a little iodine 152mcg in my Multi without any identifiable

> > problems.

> >

> > With cortisol I don't know for sure if I have a problem or not.

> > Others here and elsewhere do think that I have so maybe I do. My

> > September saliva test is below

> >

> > 8am 34.3 (6.0 – 42.0 nmol/L)

> >

> >

> > Midday 7.4 (0.0 – 11.0 nmol/L)

> >

> > 4pm 3.3 (2.0 – 11.0 nmol/L)

> >

> > 8pm 0.8 (1.0 – 8.0 nmol/L)

> >

> > Daily total 46.8 (11.0 – 76.0 nmol/L)

> >

> > Midnight 3.0 (0.0 – 5.0 nmol/L)

> >

> > But I can still exercise intensively and recover ok without any undue

> > problems so this is where it confuses me.

> >

> > What do you think from this information, is it suspect?

> >

> > I have been taking 900mg of licorice root and 100mg of licorice root

> > extract per day in my Adrenal Optimizer. I am not sure how much is safe

> > to take and for how long. Maybe I am not taking enough to make a

> > difference. Do you have any ideas?

> >

> > My sodium and potassium have moved lower but are still in range at 138

> > and 3.9 so am keen to see the new test results in 2-3 weeks. I have

> > currently stopped all adrenal support at the moment until after the

> > blood tests. Would taking HC raise aldosterone, sodium and potassium as

> > well as cortisol or is there another way?

> >

> > Once again thank you Nigel for your thoughtful input. It is very much

> > appreciated.

> >

> > Kindest regards

> >

> > Wayne

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil

What is the PQQ being taken for and how does it work?

Wayne

>

> > From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> > Subject: RE: Re: In need of help and guidance please

> >

> > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:35 PM

> > I sincerely agree. Get healthier

> > Phil.

> >

> > Re: In need of help and guidance

> > please

> >

> >

> > Hi Philip

> > First of all I am sorry to hear you are in a lot of pain.

> > It must make it very difficult for you to function on a

> > daily basis. I hope that you can find a point of balance

> > where it is at least tolerable for you. It makes what you do

> > here even more valuable so I thank you for your unselfish

> > help right from my heart.

> > Re Tertroxin I have a structured reverse engineered if you

> > like schedule of reducing by 5mcg every 3 days providing

> > there are no adverse reactions. This is similar to how I

> > titrated up to 40mcg in the first place only I moved up

> > every 4-5 days being extra cautious.

> > I am monitoring BPs and temps as I did on the way up.

> > Hard to say if I feel better but I don't feel any worse I

> > guess. My tremor is still there and I still can't gain

> > weight or muscle.

> > As I understand it my blood should have cleared RT3 at

> > around 6-8 weeks but it takes a similar time agagin to clear

> > the RT3 from the T3 receptor cells throughout the body. I am

> > not sure that I have gotten to that point. Certainly there

> > has been no defining moment or identifiable marker thus

> > far.

> > I am heartened by your ability to reduce your Estradiol

> > and raise your free Testosterone after such a long time with

> > high Estradiol. I note that your SHBG normalised itself with

> > this treatment. Hopefully I can have a similar outcome by

> > using DIM of some sort

> > Yes I regularly keep diary notes on how I am progressing

> > and I will be taking it slow with the red meat. Just a very

> > small portion to start with as I a

> >

> > [The entire original message is not included]

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

After having Heart Bypass Surgery I was put in a coma for 13 weeks I kept

getting an infection it the wire to hold my chest together. When they needed to

open me up I was on blood thinners and they could not close me up until the

blood thinner meds were out of my body. So they put me in a coma this happened

5 times. When I came too I was so weak I had to learn how to walk and even

understand what people were saying to me.

The Heart Surgeon put me on Lip tor yet I never had high Chol. levels. Now here

I am very weak from the coma and surges. The Liptor was causing me more joint

and muscle pain. Dr.'s all of them kept telling me to keep exercising and

taking the Statin drugs. I never got my labs back the best I could do walking

was for 15 min's.

I kept telling the Dr's the Statin Drugs are doing causing my pain they keep

pushing me to exercise.

Until last Sep. I could not stand up or walk then they took me off them. There

are a lot of people that have end up with very low levels of CoQ10 and this

damages your muscles giving some people a Myopathy or worse Rhabdomyolysis.

http://www.spacedoc.net/muscle_pain_statins.htm

So what happens is one has a heart problem Dr.'s put you on Statin Drugs and

tell you to diet and exercise. But if you start having pain and they don't

listen to you this process can kill you.

====================================================

Meanwhile multi-disciplined research teams are working out the details of

mitochondrial repair and maintenance. Some of this new research centers on the

benefit of exercise which stimulates mitochondrial genesis.

This can be very misleading. I can say from experience that regular exercise

such as walking is counterproductive in these cases of statin associated muscle

damage. The exercise merely throws additional work on the remaining intact

muscle fibers causing excess strain and increased pain. This is why only the

very special non weight-bearing exercise of water aerobics has much to offer

here. No pain management program, in my opinion, is complete without it.

Duane Graveline MD MPH

Former USAF Flight Surgeon

Former NASA Astronaut

Retired Family Doctor

August 2010

===================================================

I pray my damage is temporary because last Sep. I could not stand up or walk

with out using a walker. I could not fix my food or dress my self every take a

shower with out help. To day on supplements for this I now can go out side put

my walker in the car and drive to see my Dr. or get a hair cut.

PQQ is some thing that looks like it will help me with my problems here are the

supplements my Heart Dr. has me on to undo the damage. I just read more about

PQQ and ordered it I hope it helps.

http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01500/PQQ-Caps-with-BioPQQ.html

===================================================

• Ubiquinol Capliques Featuring Kaneka's Qh (400mgs) 3x’s/day mercola.com.

• Lecithin 1200 mgs 3 caps 2x’s/day.

• Acetyl-L Carnitine 500 mg 3x’s/day.

• Alpha Lipoic Acid 250 mg/day.

• Life Extension, PQQ Caps with Bio PQQ, 10 mg, 2x’s /day.

• Krill Oil capliques 1,000 mgs. 2 with food morning mercola.com.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...>

> Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance please

>

> Date: Tuesday, January 18, 2011, 8:07 AM

> Hi Phil

> What is the PQQ being taken for and how does it work?

> Wayne

>

>

> >

> > > From: uu1845@... <uu1845@...>

> > > Subject: RE: Re: In need of help

> and guidance please

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:35 PM

> > > I sincerely agree. Get healthier

> > > Phil.

> > >

> > > Re: In need of help and

> guidance

> > > please

> > >

> > > 

> > > Hi Philip

> > >  First of all I am sorry to hear you are in

> a lot of pain.

> > > It must make it very difficult for you to

> function on a

> > > daily basis. I hope that you can find a point of

> balance

> > > where it is at least tolerable for you. It makes

> what you do

> > > here even more valuable so I thank you for your

> unselfish

> > > help right from my heart.

> > >  Re Tertroxin I have a structured reverse

> engineered if you

> > > like schedule of reducing by 5mcg every 3 days

> providing

> > > there are no adverse reactions. This is similar

> to how I

> > > titrated up to 40mcg in the first place only I

> moved up

> > > every 4-5 days being extra cautious.

> > >  I am monitoring BPs and temps as I did on

> the way up.

> > >  Hard to say if I feel better but I don't

> feel any worse I

> > > guess. My tremor is still there and I still can't

> gain

> > > weight or muscle.

> > >  As I understand it my blood should have

> cleared RT3 at

> > > around 6-8 weeks but it takes a similar time

> agagin to clear

> > > the RT3 from the T3 receptor cells throughout the

> body. I am

> > > not sure that I have gotten to that point.

> Certainly there

> > > has been no defining moment or identifiable

> marker thus

> > > far.

> > >  I am heartened by your ability to reduce

> your Estradiol

> > > and raise your free Testosterone after such a

> long time with

> > > high Estradiol. I note that your SHBG normalised

> itself with

> > > this treatment. Hopefully I can have a similar

> outcome by

> > > using DIM of some sort

> > >  Yes I regularly keep diary notes on how I

> am progressing

> > > and I will be taking it slow with the red meat.

> Just a very

> > > small portion to start with as I a

> > >

> > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Wow Phil that is some story. Sounds like you are lucky to be still with us. I

sincerely hope that PQQ offers some genuine assistanceinrebuilding the

mitochondria. Let us know how you go.

Stay healthy

Wayne

> > >

> > > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > > Subject: RE: Re: In need of help

> > and guidance please

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:35 PM

> > > > I sincerely agree. Get healthier

> > > > Phil.

> > > >

> > > > Re: In need of help and

> > guidance

> > > > please

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > > Hi Philip

> > > >  First of all I am sorry to hear you are in

> > a lot of pain.

> > > > It must make it very difficult for you to

> > function on a

> > > > daily basis. I hope that you can find a point of

> > balance

> > > > where it is at least tolerable for you. It makes

> > what you do

> > > > here even more valuable so I thank you for your

> > unselfish

> > > > help right from my heart.

> > > >  Re Tertroxin I have a structured reverse

> > engineered if you

> > > > like schedule of reducing by 5mcg every 3 days

> > providing

> > > > there are no adverse reactions. This is similar

> > to how I

> > > > titrated up to 40mcg in the first place only I

> > moved up

> > > > every 4-5 days being extra cautious.

> > > >  I am monitoring BPs and temps as I did on

> > the way up.

> > > >  Hard to say if I feel better but I don't

> > feel any worse I

> > > > guess. My tremor is still there and I still can't

> > gain

> > > > weight or muscle.

> > > >  As I understand it my blood should have

> > cleared RT3 at

> > > > around 6-8 weeks but it takes a similar time

> > agagin to clear

> > > > the RT3 from the T3 receptor cells throughout the

> > body. I am

> > > > not sure that I have gotten to that point.

> > Certainly there

> > > > has been no defining moment or identifiable

> > marker thus

> > > > far.

> > > >  I am heartened by your ability to reduce

> > your Estradiol

> > > > and raise your free Testosterone after such a

> > long time with

> > > > high Estradiol. I note that your SHBG normalised

> > itself with

> > > > this treatment. Hopefully I can have a similar

> > outcome by

> > > > using DIM of some sort

> > > >  Yes I regularly keep diary notes on how I

> > am progressing

> > > > and I will be taking it slow with the red meat.

> > Just a very

> > > > small portion to start with as I a

> > > >

> > > > [The entire original message is not included]

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Wayne I am doing better it's slow but a little better every week. My

real story is a good read you can read it hear at this link and it's in the STTM

book. It's been a long hard road for me and I never give up.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/phils-story/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...>

> Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance please

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 8:33 AM

> Wow Phil that is some story. Sounds

> like you are lucky to be still with us. I sincerely hope

> that PQQ offers some genuine assistanceinrebuilding the

> mitochondria. Let us know how you go.

> Stay healthy

> Wayne

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: uu1845@ <uu1845@>

> > > > > Subject: RE: Re: In need

> of help

> > > and guidance please

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:35

> PM

> > > > > I sincerely agree. Get healthier

> > > > > Phil.

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: In need of

> help and

> > > guidance

> > > > > please

> > > > >

> > > > > 

> > > > > Hi Philip

> > > > >  First of all I am sorry to hear you

> are in

> > > a lot of pain.

> > > > > It must make it very difficult for you

> to

> > > function on a

> > > > > daily basis. I hope that you can find a

> point of

> > > balance

> > > > > where it is at least tolerable for you.

> It makes

> > > what you do

> > > > > here even more valuable so I thank you

> for your

> > > unselfish

> > > > > help right from my heart.

> > > > >  Re Tertroxin I have a structured

> reverse

> > > engineered if you

> > > > > like schedule of reducing by 5mcg every

> 3 days

> > > providing

> > > > > there are no adverse reactions. This is

> similar

> > > to how I

> > > > > titrated up to 40mcg in the first place

> only I

> > > moved up

> > > > > every 4-5 days being extra cautious.

> > > > >  I am monitoring BPs and temps as I

> did on

> > > the way up.

> > > > >  Hard to say if I feel better but I

> don't

> > > feel any worse I

> > > > > guess. My tremor is still there and I

> still can't

> > > gain

> > > > > weight or muscle.

> > > > >  As I understand it my blood should

> have

> > > cleared RT3 at

> > > > > around 6-8 weeks but it takes a similar

> time

> > > agagin to clear

> > > > > the RT3 from the T3 receptor cells

> throughout the

> > > body. I am

> > > > > not sure that I have gotten to that

> point.

> > > Certainly there

> > > > > has been no defining moment or

> identifiable

> > > marker thus

> > > > > far.

> > > > >  I am heartened by your ability to

> reduce

> > > your Estradiol

> > > > > and raise your free Testosterone after

> such a

> > > long time with

> > > > > high Estradiol. I note that your SHBG

> normalised

> > > itself with

> > > > > this treatment. Hopefully I can have a

> similar

> > > outcome by

> > > > > using DIM of some sort

> > > > >  Yes I regularly keep diary notes on

> how I

> > > am progressing

> > > > > and I will be taking it slow with the

> red meat.

> > > Just a very

> > > > > small portion to start with as I a

> > > > >

> > > > > [The entire original message is not

> included]

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

> been

> > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Wayne, you could get an intestinal biopsy to look for damage found with

Celiac. This is considered the " gold standard " to diagnose it. If you did

consider this you should know that finding out how many samples they're

going to take is important as not having enough taken lowers the chance of

them finding the damage.

There also is stool antibody testing along with genetic testing from a lab

in Texas. Their website is www.enterolab.com. I had both of their testing

methods run and found out I have a gene marker for Celiac that explains a

lot as to why I react so terribly to gluten. The testing can be ordered

without a doctor and they work with people internationally (as in, they'll

let you know how to get the kit to airmail your poo to the US haha).

Again, this where some just go 100% gluten-free to see what happens and

that's all the proof they ever need. So it's something to think about.

Iodine stirs up bromine and probably fluorine lodged in your body. If you

read online about " iodine detox " or " iodine bromide detox " you'll get plenty

of reading. I had some extra acne occur in random places like arms in

addition to my face. I also felt kind of foggy (bromide is a sedative) and

toxic or even fatigued right after a large dose. Then after some time on

high doses of iodine I stopped getting that reaction.

I did have some thyroid gland tightness flare up from the iodine. Nothing I

couldn't live with and I had already experienced this when trying to sleep

before I was on thyroid hormones. It can be worse for some and seems to be a

problem for ones with Hashi's. Some benefit from selenium when this happens;

I didn't.

-Nigel

On 17 January 2011 18:58, gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Nigel

> I refer to your point on gluten free. I suspect that I don't have a gluten

> sensitivity but I admit I don't know for sure. Are you aware of another sort

> of test that would more accurately reveal if gluten really is a problem for

> my system?

> I dropped most grains about a year or so back but do still sometimes eat

> brown rice, rice flour pizza base,spelt flour pastry, lentils, beans, WPI

> etc. Although I do make note from your comments that it appears that it is

> so critical that even a crumb can disrupt those that are alergic. I will

> have to look further at what common foods (and my supps) actually contain

> gluten. Apart from my sex hormone, adrenal,tremor and RT3 problems I don't

> actually feel sick or unwell most of the time Granted though I am not at the

> top of my game.

> I took your advice and posted my licorice and iodine questions to NTH and

> am awaiting a reply or two.

> What sort of iodine detox symptoms are you referring to from your

> experience?

> I have talked to Phil re DIM and at this stage I will continue on with my

> Natures Way DIM Plus until I have my next blood tests which should reveal if

> it is actually working or not.If not then I will consider either changing to

> Indolplex or Arimidex as a last resort.

>

> Thank you Nigel for your thoughtful input.

> Kind regards

> Wayne

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm confused yet again.

You guys say that very few folks tolerate T3 meds only, and Phil says it is bad

for your heart to take them. I understand what he is saying IF they do increase

your BP and pulse. They seemed to bump my pulse in a very short period of time

and on a low dose.

On the other hand HAN says T3 status is a major indicator in stroke and

mortality rate.

Too low,.....too high,.....which is it?

Guess I am confused how it can be bad for your heart, but at the same time be an

indicator of bad things to come.

Maybe you are referring to it being high from T3 only meds?

>

> about 10% of people tolerate t-3 only. Its not the best form of therapy for

the general cases and have resulted in women have messed up peroids because

stimulate on enzyamtic reactions such as progesterone conversion is increased.

This increase in progesterone production results in progesterone deficincy.

Again t3 status is a major indicate in stroke and mortaility rate.

[Guest guest]

Waste of time. Dr needs to take multiple samples in specific regions to get

proper diagnosis. Easier way would be do a stool sample from entero labs then

go on gluten free diet then measure improvemnts in symptoms. Nigel instead of

doing so much t-3 why not use proviron to free up the testosterone?

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Nigel

> > I refer to your point on gluten free. I suspect that I don't have a gluten

> > sensitivity but I admit I don't know for sure. Are you aware of another sort

> > of test that would more accurately reveal if gluten really is a problem for

> > my system?

> > I dropped most grains about a year or so back but do still sometimes eat

> > brown rice, rice flour pizza base,spelt flour pastry, lentils, beans, WPI

> > etc. Although I do make note from your comments that it appears that it is

> > so critical that even a crumb can disrupt those that are alergic. I will

> > have to look further at what common foods (and my supps) actually contain

> > gluten. Apart from my sex hormone, adrenal,tremor and RT3 problems I don't

> > actually feel sick or unwell most of the time Granted though I am not at the

> > top of my game.

> > I took your advice and posted my licorice and iodine questions to NTH and

> > am awaiting a reply or two.

> > What sort of iodine detox symptoms are you referring to from your

> > experience?

> > I have talked to Phil re DIM and at this stage I will continue on with my

> > Natures Way DIM Plus until I have my next blood tests which should reveal if

> > it is actually working or not.If not then I will consider either changing to

> > Indolplex or Arimidex as a last resort.

> >

> > Thank you Nigel for your thoughtful input.

> > Kind regards

> > Wayne

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

most people that have heart attacks have low t-3 levels. STRESS causes heart

disease. As with many cases of rt3, once I identify the stress remove it rt3

goes down over time. NO brainer. People that treat with t3 only feel good for

time being, but never feel right for the long haul. Simply put rt3 is a symptoms

of the cause.

> >

> > about 10% of people tolerate t-3 only. Its not the best form of therapy for

the general cases and have resulted in women have messed up peroids because

stimulate on enzyamtic reactions such as progesterone conversion is increased.

This increase in progesterone production results in progesterone deficincy.

Again t3 status is a major indicate in stroke and mortaility rate.

>

[Guest guest]

I take both T4 150 mcgs and T3 5 mcgs 2x's / day this is fine. What I am

talking about is taking high amounts of T3 only like people all over the web are

doing because there labs showed high levels of RT3.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: In need of help and guidance please

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 1:29 PM

> I'm confused yet again.

> You guys say that very few folks tolerate T3 meds only, and

> Phil says it is bad for your heart to take them. I

> understand what he is saying IF they do increase your BP and

> pulse. They seemed to bump my pulse in a very short period

> of time and on a low dose.

>

> On the other hand HAN says T3 status is a major indicator

> in stroke and mortality rate.

> Too low,.....too high,.....which is it?

> Guess I am confused how it can be bad for your heart, but

> at the same time be an indicator of bad things to come.

>

> Maybe you are referring to it being high from T3 only

> meds?

>

>

> >

> > about 10% of people tolerate t-3 only. Its not the

> best form of therapy for the general cases and have resulted

> in women have messed up peroids because stimulate on

> enzyamtic reactions such as progesterone conversion is

> increased.  This increase in progesterone production

> results in progesterone deficincy.  Again t3 status is

> a major indicate in stroke and mortaility rate.

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Marc, here's an example that will make it clearer.

This is someone hypothyroid, not on meds.

FT3 230 (230-420)

FT4 .8 (.8-1.8)

rT3 34 (11-32)

Their thyroid numbers are at the bottom of the range. You could guess that this

person has high cholesterol, fatigue, depression, anxiety, and will probably

develop heart disease because of the low T3.

They join an internet thyroid group, and are told their rT3 is high, and they

need to go on all T3. When they run labs, this is what they get

FT3 650 (230-420)

FT4 .3 (.8-1.8)

rT3 11(11-32)

They're told this is great because their rT3 is now under control. But that

much T3 is very stressful to the heart because it raises heart rate and BP. It

is clearly too much and the fact that it's way over range is your clue. It will

probably cause osteoporosis too. Ideally, you want FT3 and FT4 midrange or

higher, but still within range.

To get the second set of labs, you need to take something like 75 mcg T3 only.

I have seen people taking 150 mcg! Phil's dose is more realistic, 10 mcg/day in

addition to T4. I'm taking 12 mcg/day in my Erfa, which also has T4 too. A

normal thyroid secretes roughly 100 mcg T4 + 10 mcg T3. People will vary in

their optimal dose, but that gives you a rough idea how unnatural 150 mcg of T3

is.

HTH,

Barb

> > >

> > > about 10% of people tolerate t-3 only. Its not the

> > best form of therapy for the general cases and have resulted

> > in women have messed up peroids because stimulate on

> > enzyamtic reactions such as progesterone conversion is

> > increased.  This increase in progesterone production

> > results in progesterone deficincy.  Again t3 status is

> > a major indicate in stroke and mortaility rate.

> >

> >

> >

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