Re: In need of help and guidance please

January 20, 2011

Hi Nigel

Thanks again for some useful information. Between you Phil, HAN and others I am

learning every time.

Stool test sound a whole lot less invasive than intestinal biopsies.

That sounds like a major type procedure under full anesthetic. I will seek out

info from our labs here re celiac testing first but good too know there is an

overseas option. What are the common celiac symptoms that might suggest that I

should be suspecting the possibility of celiac? You indicated I think that it

made a big difference for you, in what way?

As for iodine testing/ supplementation I will have to dig a bit deeper first as

I don't want to supplement when the only test I have had so far (urine spot test

for iodine suggests that at least I don't seem to have a deficiency)

Thank you

Kind regards

Wayne

>

> >

> > Hi Nigel

> > I refer to your point on gluten free. I suspect that I don't have a gluten

> > sensitivity but I admit I don't know for sure. Are you aware of another sort

> > of test that would more accurately reveal if gluten really is a problem for

> > my system?

> > I dropped most grains about a year or so back but do still sometimes eat

> > brown rice, rice flour pizza base,spelt flour pastry, lentils, beans, WPI

> > etc. Although I do make note from your comments that it appears that it is

> > so critical that even a crumb can disrupt those that are alergic. I will

> > have to look further at what common foods (and my supps) actually contain

> > gluten. Apart from my sex hormone, adrenal,tremor and RT3 problems I don't

> > actually feel sick or unwell most of the time Granted though I am not at the

> > top of my game.

> > I took your advice and posted my licorice and iodine questions to NTH and

> > am awaiting a reply or two.

> > What sort of iodine detox symptoms are you referring to from your

> > experience?

> > I have talked to Phil re DIM and at this stage I will continue on with my

> > Natures Way DIM Plus until I have my next blood tests which should reveal if

> > it is actually working or not.If not then I will consider either changing to

> > Indolplex or Arimidex as a last resort.

> >

> > Thank you Nigel for your thoughtful input.

> > Kind regards

> > Wayne

> >

>

January 20, 2011

, why would I add another pharmaceutical to the mix? I am now in-range

for SHBG. Now that I got more iron in me I can take less thyroid, 'cause I

actually respond to it. Latest labs:

IGF-1 279 (116-358) Up from 179 two separate times. I take lots of zinc now,

which dramatically impacts how well I sleep and feel waking up (GH

connection?!).

DHEA 296 (31-701)

DHEA-S 101.4 (211-492) 30 mg transdermal DHEA, split 15 mg twice a day (took

last 15 mg DHEA close to bedtime before doing labs in the morning)

Pregnenolone 89 ng/dL (<151) wasn't on pregnenolone at the time

SHBG 47.3 (14.5-48.4)

Estradiol, sensitive 11 (3-70)

25-OH vitamin D 194.4 (32-100) gonna lower D3 dose! lol

FT4 1.28 (.82-1.77)

FT3 4.3 (2-4.4)

RT3 242 (90-350)

Ratio 17.7

Ferritin 90

Iron 127 (40-155)

TIBC 355 (250-450)

UIBC 228 (150-375)

Saturation 36 % (15-55)

Still taking iron as it makes me feel better, use thyroid better and I've

got the capacity for more. I didn't taken any iron for almost a week before

testing.

On 3 grains Nature-Throid and 25 mcg T3 (Paddock, USA generic) sublingual,

split into two doses. I take a couple grams vitamin C and a Candex capsule

(had cellulase enzyme to destroy cellulose) with each of my two doses. Last

thyroid dose was taken 22 hours before testing.

I don't believe I had my estradiol too low. I actually hadn't taken any

anastrozole within a good few days of testing and had thrown in some DIM to

get me by (which didn't do that much) and had felt too high, actually. I go

by symptoms and wood anyway.

I do take nettle root drops due to having higher SHBG. I believe those work

by leaving SHBG level the same and by binding to SHBG in place of estrogens

and androgens that would normally be bound to it. They seem to work to some

extent as I feel like a bunch of testosterone and DHT gets dumped into my

blood soon after taking the nettle root and I also need to suppress

excessive estradiol more intensively. They also help with urinary symptoms

as I was loosing my ability to hold that much urine, especially by last year

with a lot of SHBG on high thyroid dose. Now roadtrips aren't such a

problem!

-Nigel

On 19 January 2011 13:09, hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>wrote:

> Nigel instead of doing so much t-3 why not use proviron to free up the

> testosterone?

>

January 21, 2011

people have that have prostate issues have higher shbg levels as it binds with

dht more then testosterone or estrodial. I be using nettles 1000 mgs a day then

remeasure your shbg levels.

tD dhea needs to be measure in urine. it will reduce serums because it gets

converted to other things not directly dhea-s in the blood.

Mine went down to 80 LOL

Need to look at vitamin a: vitamin D ratio of 10:1

beta carotene is not the same. I got warts because of my multiviamin has 15,000

by since we can not convert was causing immune issues. People are doing them

selfs more harm. Going to try to increae to 100,000 ius a day for a month as MD

suggested.

By doing this it should help thyroid and immune system

http://www.superhumanradio.com/super-human-radio-show/645-forgotten-vitamin-a.ht\

ml

>

> > Nigel instead of doing so much t-3 why not use proviron to free up the

> > testosterone?

> >

>

January 21, 2011

Wayne, this list is bang on for a lot of things to look for if you've got

Celiac:

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=15 & t=12332

Here's my list of improvements:

My acne finally went away that I'd had since I was aged 8 or so (I still can

get one spot on the face here and there, but that's nothing).

I'm not constipated and feel like I generally void all I'm supposed to with

a bowel movement. Before I'd have a bowel movement only to have cramping

till the next bowel movement, which would just restart the whole agony

again.

I can now eat dairy with no bowel discomfort (but don't expect me to

tolerate plain milk in high quantities yet).

Acid reflux is almost nonexistent now, although I had more from hypo as

well.

I also absorb my supplements and food so much better as they're not running

through me. Spicy foods don't burn my behind either on the way out!

I have way less flatulence now.

Stools don't float or look green, although those two things were rare when I

was eating gluten.

I personally believe gluten assisted in the destruction of my thyroid gland

and may have contributed to having such messed up adrenals at a very young

age.

-Nigel

On 20 January 2011 08:11, gcaussieman <gcaussieman@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Nigel

> Thanks again for some useful information. Between you Phil, HAN and others

> I am learning every time.

> Stool test sound a whole lot less invasive than intestinal biopsies.

> That sounds like a major type procedure under full anesthetic. I will seek

> out info from our labs here re celiac testing first but good too know there

> is an overseas option. What are the common celiac symptoms that might

> suggest that I should be suspecting the possibility of celiac? You indicated

> I think that it made a big difference for you, in what way?

> As for iodine testing/ supplementation I will have to dig a bit deeper

> first as I don't want to supplement when the only test I have had so far

> (urine spot test for iodine suggests that at least I don't seem to have a

> deficiency)

>

> Thank you

> Kind regards

> Wayne

>

January 21, 2011

Hi Nigel

Thanks for that. I read the article and it is interesting. I can't really say

yes to many of those symptoms. Possibly 1 or 2, maybe?

I will probably have another blood test at some time just for ressurance. But I

have saved the list for future reference just in case I have cause to revisit

this possibility.

With my fairly clean diet as it is now I don't think I actually would consume

very much gluten anyhow but definitely there would be some.

I actually thought I would have a quick look at a couple of lists of foods with

gluten content. before posting this.

I was surprised to see the only one was a SPELT curried lentil pie I eat and

maybe the Heinz BAKED BEANS with no added salt might contain some in the tomato

sauce, maybe.

I am actually going to have that spelt pie with salad tonight and will take

particular notice of how I feel afterwards.

It would be very easy for me to be 100% gluten free if I needed to be instead of

the 98% I currently am.

Kind regards

Wayne

Not sure about my supplements though???

>

> >

> > Hi Nigel

> > Thanks again for some useful information. Between you Phil, HAN and others

> > I am learning every time.

> > Stool test sound a whole lot less invasive than intestinal biopsies.

> > That sounds like a major type procedure under full anesthetic. I will seek

> > out info from our labs here re celiac testing first but good too know there

> > is an overseas option. What are the common celiac symptoms that might

> > suggest that I should be suspecting the possibility of celiac? You indicated

> > I think that it made a big difference for you, in what way?

> > As for iodine testing/ supplementation I will have to dig a bit deeper

> > first as I don't want to supplement when the only test I have had so far

> > (urine spot test for iodine suggests that at least I don't seem to have a

> > deficiency)

> >

> > Thank you

> > Kind regards

> > Wayne

> >

>

January 21, 2011

Hi HAN

What sort of liver tabs do you mean.

I currently take these 1 per day.

NutraLife Liver Guard

Each capsule contains:

Herbal Extracts Equiv to Dry;

Silybum marianum (Milk Thistle) Fruit

Standardised (30g) 30000mg

Stand. Equiv. Silybin 360mg

Taraxacum officinale (Dandelion) Root 150mg

Taraxacum officinale (Dandelion) Leaf 150mg

Cynara scolymus (Globe Artichoke) Leaf 250mg

Astragalus membranaceus (Astragalus) Root 100mg

Peumus boldus (Boldo) Leaf 100mg

Co-Factors;

Taurine 150mg

Does this look right to assist in raising ferittin?

Kind regards

Wayne

1973@...> wrote:

>

> about 10% of people tolerate t-3 only. Its not the best form of therapy for

the general cases and have resulted in women have messed up peroids because

stimulate on enzyamtic reactions such as progesterone conversion is increased.

This increase in progesterone production results in progesterone deficincy.

Again t3 status is a major indicate in stroke and mortaility rate.

>

> > >

> > > I use liver tabs to get ferritin up

> > >

> >

>

January 21, 2011

Hi Barb

That is a very interesting post, thank you.

As you may recall I was one of those from the RT3 forum.

I have never been on any medication at all until I started Tertroxin T3 only on

29th September 2010.

My original labs before starting T3 only were

TSH 0.9 (0.4 - 4.0)

FT4 19 (10 - 20)

FT3 4.8 (2.8 - 6.8)

ATGab 42 <60

ATPab 43 <60

RT3 540 (170 - 450)

Ok so the problem was too much FT4 converting to RT3 instead of to FT3

I started on T3 only at 20 mcg p/d in split doses and worked my way up to 40mcg

in split doses until Jan 14th when I decided to wean myself off T3 and address

the underlining cause. Thanks to all here for contributing to that decision.

Prior to then I was already unsure that I was doing the right thing with T3

which is why I did not push to the higher dose which was recommended that most

people get to. Just playing it safe I guess.

My last labs in mid December at about 10 weeks were

TSH 0.07 (0.4 - 4.0)

FT4 11 (10 - 20)

FT3 6.8 (2.8 - 6.8)

I have not remeasured RT3 or the antibodies as yet.

These labs bear out what you advised, not just as radical but certainly would

have been if my dose had been higher and or a longer period of time.

As a footnote my BPs are a little low but that is because of my low aldosterone

I think.

Hope that helps Marc as well.

Kind regards

Wayne

> > > >

> > > > about 10% of people tolerate t-3 only. Its not the

> > > best form of therapy for the general cases and have resulted

> > > in women have messed up peroids because stimulate on

> > > enzyamtic reactions such as progesterone conversion is

> > > increased. This increase in progesterone production

> > > results in progesterone deficincy. Again t3 status is

> > > a major indicate in stroke and mortaility rate.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

January 23, 2011

Hi Nigel

Just for the record I ate that spelt pie last night with no adverse effects

noted over the next 24 hours. In fact I felt pretty damn good.

Don't know if this proves anything though as I came across this today.

Re Celiac Disease different forms

Classic Form Symptomatic intestinal malabsorption. Chronic diarrhea, abdominal

pain, abdominal distention, weight loss,and flatulence may occur.

Atypical Form Occasional diagnosis, histological or serological, in asymptomatic

individuals.

Silent Form Patients with previous CD diagnosis who responded to gluten-free

diet and presented a normal histology or only intraepithelial lymphocytes

increase.

Latent Form Absence or few gastrointestinal symptoms, presence of a typical

symptoms, such as anemia due to iron deficiency,osteoporosis or osteopenia,

infertility, low stature. lt is the most common presentation.

Individuals with normal intestinal mucosa, underdiet including gluten, who will

subsequently develop CD.

Refractory Form Patients with CD who do not respond to gluten-free diet

KInd regards