Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I know how you feel, I am anxiously awaiting results on E2 among everything else. Based on everything I have read along with my symptoms and so forth, it would make good sense that my E2 is above normal, and may be causing my testosterone issue. So thinking along those lines I was trying to figure out how to get rid of phytoestrogens, I drink a lot of bottled water also (to avoid tap water, which has estrogens in it along with other pharmecutical products, chlorine, and other bad items for you) compared to the soda I used to drink. I thought I was doing a good thing by drinking more water but if my E2 level shows high, maybe its a source of the problem. You can get VOSS in glass bottles but is extremely if not prohibit-ably expensive, and the rumor is that its actually tap water from Norway...so no dice there. You can buy filters for your tap water, but most can't filter pharmecuticals out of the water, and I also don't like stripping minerals as they play a big part in acid balance in the body. It may just be something we have to accept unfortunetly. BR//Matt On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Dan Lee <nvestnyuth@...> wrote: > > > Just read where your levels of E2 can be effected by bottled water! > Wow.....I drink 5 to 8 bottles a day. > > Gordon Lightfoot sang, " Sometimes I think it's a shame when I feel like I'm > wining but I'm losing again. " That's the way I feel sometimes. > > Dan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 It seems I have had high E2 most of my life, so I have no idea what it feels like to be normal or how I should feel.... Re: E2 in everything? I know how you feel, I am anxiously awaiting results on E2 among everything else. Based on everything I have read along with my symptoms and so forth, it would make good sense that my E2 is above normal, and may be causing my testosterone issue. So thinking along those lines I was trying to figure out how to get rid of phytoestrogens, I drink a lot of bottled water also (to avoid tap water, which has estrogens in it along with other pharmecutical products, chlorine, and other bad items for you) compared to the soda I used to drink. I thought I was doing a good thing by drinking more water but if my E2 level shows high, maybe its a source of the problem. You can get VOSS in glass bottles but is extremely if not prohibit-ably expensive, and the rumor is that its actually tap water from Norway...so no dice there. You can buy filters for your tap water, but most can't filter pharmecuticals out of the water, and I also don't like stripping minerals as they play a big part in acid balance in the body. It may just be something we have to accept unfortunetly. BR//Matt On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Dan Lee <nvestnyuth@...> wrote: > > > Just read where your levels of E2 can be effected by bottled water! > Wow.....I drink 5 to 8 bottles a day. > > Gordon Lightfoot sang, " Sometimes I think it's a shame when I feel like I'm > wining but I'm losing again. " That's the way I feel sometimes. > > Dan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I use a Brita fileter for my tap water and use a canteen to put it into and I have a 27oz canteen each time I fill it I add a 1/2 tsp of Sea Salt try it it works great. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > Just read where your levels of E2 can be effected by > bottled water! > > Wow.....I drink 5 to 8 bottles a day. > > > > Gordon Lightfoot sang, " Sometimes I think it's a shame > when I feel like I'm > > wining but I'm losing again. " That's the way I > feel sometimes. > > > > Dan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Here is how I felt getting it down first thing I got my night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs like over 30. My ED problems were gone and I had this rash that would come and go all gone. I would look red on my upper body and face gone. I had BPH and it's gone and I don't hold so much water. My nipples are not sore and hard anymore. And the best part I don't have Panic Attacks in the middle of the night gone. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > Just read where your levels of E2 can be effected by > bottled water! > > Wow.....I drink 5 to 8 bottles a day. > > > > Gordon Lightfoot sang, " Sometimes I think it's a shame > when I feel like I'm > > wining but I'm losing again. " That's the way I > feel sometimes. > > > > Dan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 That is a simple problem to take care of. Get a reverse osmosis system for your kitchen sink, and some of those canteens made from SS like Phil has,......problem solved, and dirt cheap after the initial small investment. A monkey could put in an RO system, so there is no need to spend a thousand bucks for a 'pro' to put one in for you. > > Just read where your levels of E2 can be effected by bottled water! Wow.....I drink 5 to 8 bottles a day. > > Gordon Lightfoot sang, " Sometimes I think it's a shame when I feel like I'm wining but I'm losing again. " That's the way I feel sometimes. > > Dan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Folks still use Canteens? Re: E2 in everything? > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 12:19 PM > I know how you feel, I am anxiously > awaiting results on E2 among everything > else. Based on everything I have read along with my > symptoms and so forth, > it would make good sense that my E2 is above normal, and > may be causing my > testosterone issue. > > So thinking along those lines I was trying to figure out > how to get rid of > phytoestrogens, I drink a lot of bottled water also (to > avoid tap water, > which has estrogens in it along with other pharmecutical > products, chlorine, > and other bad items for you) compared to the soda I used to > drink. I > thought I was doing a good thing by drinking more water but > if my E2 level > shows high, maybe its a source of the problem. > > You can get VOSS in glass bottles b [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Hey before my surgeries for fat on chest caused by high E2 (now I have no feeling of nipple), my nipples used to get large and puffy! It was embarrassing especially when I was carrying so much weight. I had no idea it was caused by high estrogen. My nip is still large but inward. I plan on losing more weight (70 pds so far) and to get my chest / arms in shape to make my chest seem somwhat attractive. Re: E2 in everything? > > I know how [The entire original message is not included] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 Yes they call them Kanteen's but they are just SS bottles. http://www.kleankanteen.com/ Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: Matt <mattjon332@...> > > Subject: Re: E2 in everything? > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 12:19 PM > > I know how you feel, I am anxiously > > awaiting results on E2 among everything > > else. Based on everything I have read along with > my > > symptoms and so forth, > > it would make good sense that my E2 is above normal, > and > > may be causing my > > testosterone issue. > > > > So thinking along those lines I was trying to figure > out > > how to get rid of > > phytoestrogens, I drink a lot of bottled water also > (to > > avoid tap water, > > which has estrogens in it along with other > pharmecutical > > products, chlorine, > > and other bad items for you) compared to the soda I > used to > > drink. I > > thought I was doing a good thing by drinking more > water but > > if my E2 level > > shows high, maybe its a source of the problem. > > > > You can get VOSS in glass bottles b > > [The entire original message is not included] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2011 Report Share Posted January 31, 2011 I'm assuming this " estrogen in plastic " is BPA (bisphenol A), right? BPA, which is a xenoestrogen, is NOT in any individual disposable water container that I'm aware of. It has been a problem with reusable plastic water bottles and baby bottles. This is what I read: http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2008/goldman_schwab_bpa.html " Bisphenol A or BPA is one of the highest volume chemicals produced worldwide. Over six billion pounds are produced each year. BPA is a manmade chemical that is used in the production of many plastic-containing consumer products. These products include polycarbonate water bottles, epoxy-lined metal food cans and even some dental sealants. " " Most single-use water bottles sold in the United States are made from BPA-free plastic, but some reusable containers are made from plastic containing BPA. " http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/bpa.htm " DOES IT CONTAIN BPA? BPA is used in lightweight, durable plastics. Products include some baby bottles, sippy cups and reusable food and drink containers, such as reusable sports water bottles and Tupperware, compact discs, DVDs, eyeglass lenses and sports safety goggles and helmets. Recyclable, soft plastic bottles made for soft drinks and bottled water don't contain BPA. Some manufacturers are phasing out BPA in some products and Tupperware's website says it does not use BPA in children's products sold in the United States and Canada. BPA is also in epoxy resins used to make paints, adhesives and canned food liners. Government toxicology scientists say that to reduce exposure, people can avoid non-recyclable plastic containers that have the number 7 on the bottom; avoid using these plastics in the microwave, and don't wash them in the dishwasher with harsh detergents. " " Q: What are businesses doing? A: A growing number of businesses are taking steps to reduce children's exposure to BPA. •Sunoco, which makes BPA, in 2009 announced that it won't sell the chemical to customers whose products might expose infants or small children. •Wal-Mart, CVS and Babies 'R Us no longer sell baby bottles made with BPA. •Most major baby bottle makers have stopped using BPA, as well. •Canned food makers such as Eden Foods, Hain Celestial, ConAgra and H.J. Heinze use BPA-free linings in many of their products. General Mills has committed to eliminating BPA from its Muir Glen line of canned tomatos. Whole Foods stopped selling baby products made with BPA in 2006 and says 27% of its store-brand canned goods are made with BPA-free containers. " Note that no brand was stated to be completely BPA-free on the canned food linings. I remember reading that a " BPA-free " canned food company still had BPA detectable in their food. Odd. I no longer eat foods from a can because of the BPA. I feel my thyroid health declined from living in a fluoridated city for a year and drinking the water out of a carbon filter (like Brita and Pur). Those filters do not remove fluoride. That's why I started getting reverse osmosis water from the supermarket machines. I fill the water into BPA-free containers. I'm now on unfluoridated well water that tastes nasty and I still get the R.O. water from the machines. I don't want the fluoride as it's naturally above 1 ppm for many water supplies tapped into the same aquifer. One water supply up the road from me tested out at 4 ppm! I'll get my trace minerals from food and sea salt, thank you. Yes, I could install a reverse osmosis filter at home, but if I did, I know I'd be making sure the holding tank is BPA-free! Now in researching this I ran across info about phthalates, so some of my reusable " #3 " 5 gallon plastic jugs might have to go after all. So I guess that's another problem with plastic. -Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Good Job Nigel, I know there some plastics you can use that are safe just can't remember what they are called. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Nigel <nachonigel@...> > Subject: Re: E2 in everything? > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 7:27 PM > I'm assuming this " estrogen in > plastic " is BPA (bisphenol A), right? BPA, > which is a xenoestrogen, is NOT in any individual > disposable water container > that I'm aware of. It has been a problem with reusable > plastic water bottles > and baby bottles. This is what I read: > > http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2008/goldman_schwab_bpa.html > > " Bisphenol A or BPA is one of the highest volume chemicals > produced > worldwide. Over six billion pounds are produced each year. > BPA is a manmade > chemical that is used in the production of many > plastic-containing consumer > products. These products include polycarbonate water > bottles, epoxy-lined > metal food cans and even some dental sealants. " > > " Most single-use water bottles sold in the United States > are made from > BPA-free plastic, but some reusable containers are made > from plastic > containing BPA. " > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/bpa.htm > > " DOES IT CONTAIN BPA? > > BPA is used in lightweight, durable plastics. Products > include some baby > bottles, sippy cups and reusable food and drink containers, > such as reusable > sports water bottles and Tupperware, compact discs, DVDs, > eyeglass lenses > and sports safety goggles and helmets. > > Recyclable, soft plastic bottles made for soft drinks and > bottled water > don't contain BPA. > > Some manufacturers are phasing out BPA in some products and > Tupperware's > website says it does not use BPA in children's products > sold in the United > States and Canada. > > BPA is also in epoxy resins used to make paints, adhesives > and canned food > liners. > > Government toxicology scientists say that to reduce > exposure, people can > avoid non-recyclable plastic containers that have the > number 7 on the > bottom; avoid using these plastics in the microwave, and > don't wash them in > the dishwasher with harsh detergents. " > > " Q: What are businesses doing? > > A: A growing number of businesses are taking steps to > reduce children's > exposure to BPA. > > •Sunoco, which makes BPA, in 2009 announced that it won't > sell the chemical > to customers whose products might expose infants or small > children. > > •Wal-Mart, CVS and Babies 'R Us no longer sell baby > bottles made with BPA. > > •Most major baby bottle makers have stopped using BPA, as > well. > > •Canned food makers such as Eden Foods, Hain Celestial, > ConAgra and H.J. > Heinze use BPA-free linings in many of their products. > General Mills has > committed to eliminating BPA from its Muir Glen line of > canned tomatos. > Whole Foods stopped selling baby products made with BPA in > 2006 and says 27% > of its store-brand canned goods are made with BPA-free > containers. " > > > > Note that no brand was stated to be completely BPA-free on > the canned food > linings. I remember reading that a " BPA-free " canned food > company still had > BPA detectable in their food. Odd. I no longer eat foods > from a can because > of the BPA. > > I feel my thyroid health declined from living in a > fluoridated city for a > year and drinking the water out of a carbon filter (like > Brita and Pur). > Those filters do not remove fluoride. That's why I started > getting reverse > osmosis water from the supermarket machines. I fill the > water into BPA-free > containers. I'm now on unfluoridated well water that tastes > nasty and I > still get the R.O. water from the machines. I don't want > the fluoride as > it's naturally above 1 ppm for many water supplies tapped > into the same > aquifer. One water supply up the road from me tested out at > 4 ppm! I'll get > my trace minerals from food and sea salt, thank you. > > Yes, I could install a reverse osmosis filter at home, but > if I did, I know > I'd be making sure the holding tank is BPA-free! > > Now in researching this I ran across info about phthalates, > so some of my > reusable " #3 " 5 gallon plastic jugs might have to go after > all. So I guess > that's another problem with plastic. > > -Nigel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Wow, its worse then I thought. I just realized the canned foods issue with the liners, I have been using canned beans for my weekly chili etc... I am currently a bachelor so between my bottled water, plasticware, plastic containers, canned foods, and all the plastics other foods come in (heck my grass fed beef jerky comes wrapped in plastic) that is a lot of potential to ingest estrogen like substances. I did find supposedly PET1 plastics are for the most part ok? Most drinks come in these today, at least most drinks in my house in plastic. BR//Matt On 2/1/2011 11:34 AM, philip georgian wrote: > > Good Job Nigel, > > I know there some plastics you can use that are safe just can't > remember what they are called. > Co-Moderator > Phil > > > > > From: Nigel <nachonigel@... <mailto:nachonigel%40gmail.com>> > > Subject: Re: E2 in everything? > > > <mailto: %40> > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 7:27 PM > > I'm assuming this " estrogen in > > plastic " is BPA (bisphenol A), right? BPA, > > which is a xenoestrogen, is NOT in any individual > > disposable water container > > that I'm aware of. It has been a problem with reusable > > plastic water bottles > > and baby bottles. This is what I read: > > > > > http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2008/goldman_schwab_bpa.html > > > > " Bisphenol A or BPA is one of the highest volume chemicals > > produced > > worldwide. Over six billion pounds are produced each year. > > BPA is a manmade > > chemical that is used in the production of many > > plastic-containing consumer > > products. These products include polycarbonate water > > bottles, epoxy-lined > > metal food cans and even some dental sealants. " > > > > " Most single-use water bottles sold in the United States > > are made from > > BPA-free plastic, but some reusable containers are made > > from plastic > > containing BPA. " > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/bpa.htm > > > > " DOES IT CONTAIN BPA? > > > > BPA is used in lightweight, durable plastics. Products > > include some baby > > bottles, sippy cups and reusable food and drink containers, > > such as reusable > > sports water bottles and Tupperware, compact discs, DVDs, > > eyeglass lenses > > and sports safety goggles and helmets. > > > > Recyclable, soft plastic bottles made for soft drinks and > > bottled water > > don't contain BPA. > > > > Some manufacturers are phasing out BPA in some products and > > Tupperware's > > website says it does not use BPA in children's products > > sold in the United > > States and Canada. > > > > BPA is also in epoxy resins used to make paints, adhesives > > and canned food > > liners. > > > > Government toxicology scientists say that to reduce > > exposure, people can > > avoid non-recyclable plastic containers that have the > > number 7 on the > > bottom; avoid using these plastics in the microwave, and > > don't wash them in > > the dishwasher with harsh detergents. " > > > > " Q: What are businesses doing? > > > > A: A growing number of businesses are taking steps to > > reduce children's > > exposure to BPA. > > > > •Sunoco, which makes BPA, in 2009 announced that it won't > > sell the chemical > > to customers whose products might expose infants or small > > children. > > > > •Wal-Mart, CVS and Babies 'R Us no longer sell baby > > bottles made with BPA. > > > > •Most major baby bottle makers have stopped using BPA, as > > well. > > > > •Canned food makers such as Eden Foods, Hain Celestial, > > ConAgra and H.J. > > Heinze use BPA-free linings in many of their products. > > General Mills has > > committed to eliminating BPA from its Muir Glen line of > > canned tomatos. > > Whole Foods stopped selling baby products made with BPA in > > 2006 and says 27% > > of its store-brand canned goods are made with BPA-free > > containers. " > > > > > > > > Note that no brand was stated to be completely BPA-free on > > the canned food > > linings. I remember reading that a " BPA-free " canned food > > company still had > > BPA detectable in their food. Odd. I no longer eat foods > > from a can because > > of the BPA. > > > > I feel my thyroid health declined from living in a > > fluoridated city for a > > year and drinking the water out of a carbon filter (like > > Brita and Pur). > > Those filters do not remove fluoride. That's why I started > > getting reverse > > osmosis water from the supermarket machines. I fill the > > water into BPA-free > > containers. I'm now on unfluoridated well water that tastes > > nasty and I > > still get the R.O. water from the machines. I don't want > > the fluoride as > > it's naturally above 1 ppm for many water supplies tapped > > into the same > > aquifer. One water supply up the road from me tested out at > > 4 ppm! I'll get > > my trace minerals from food and sea salt, thank you. > > > > Yes, I could install a reverse osmosis filter at home, but > > if I did, I know > > I'd be making sure the holding tank is BPA-free! > > > > Now in researching this I ran across info about phthalates, > > so some of my > > reusable " #3 " 5 gallon plastic jugs might have to go after > > all. So I guess > > that's another problem with plastic. > > > > -Nigel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 I don't get carried away over this I just don't cook food in plastic or drink water from it. I still have a Diet Pop a night and eat caned and plastic raped foods. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > From: Nigel <nachonigel@... > <mailto:nachonigel%40gmail.com>> > > > Subject: Re: E2 in everything? > > > > > > <mailto: %40> > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 7:27 PM > > > I'm assuming this " estrogen in > > > plastic " is BPA (bisphenol A), right? BPA, > > > which is a xenoestrogen, is NOT in any > individual > > > disposable water container > > > that I'm aware of. It has been a problem with > reusable > > > plastic water bottles > > > and baby bottles. This is what I read: > > > > > > > > http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2008/goldman_schwab_bpa.html > > > > > > " Bisphenol A or BPA is one of the highest volume > chemicals > > > produced > > > worldwide. Over six billion pounds are produced > each year. > > > BPA is a manmade > > > chemical that is used in the production of many > > > plastic-containing consumer > > > products. These products include polycarbonate > water > > > bottles, epoxy-lined > > > metal food cans and even some dental sealants. " > > > > > > " Most single-use water bottles sold in the United > States > > > are made from > > > BPA-free plastic, but some reusable containers > are made > > > from plastic > > > containing BPA. " > > > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/bpa.htm > > > > > > " DOES IT CONTAIN BPA? > > > > > > BPA is used in lightweight, durable plastics. > Products > > > include some baby > > > bottles, sippy cups and reusable food and drink > containers, > > > such as reusable > > > sports water bottles and Tupperware, compact > discs, DVDs, > > > eyeglass lenses > > > and sports safety goggles and helmets. > > > > > > Recyclable, soft plastic bottles made for soft > drinks and > > > bottled water > > > don't contain BPA. > > > > > > Some manufacturers are phasing out BPA in some > products and > > > Tupperware's > > > website says it does not use BPA in children's > products > > > sold in the United > > > States and Canada. > > > > > > BPA is also in epoxy resins used to make paints, > adhesives > > > and canned food > > > liners. > > > > > > Government toxicology scientists say that to > reduce > > > exposure, people can > > > avoid non-recyclable plastic containers that have > the > > > number 7 on the > > > bottom; avoid using these plastics in the > microwave, and > > > don't wash them in > > > the dishwasher with harsh detergents. " > > > > > > " Q: What are businesses doing? > > > > > > A: A growing number of businesses are taking > steps to > > > reduce children's > > > exposure to BPA. > > > > > > •Sunoco, which makes BPA, in 2009 announced > that it won't > > > sell the chemical > > > to customers whose products might expose infants > or small > > > children. > > > > > > •Wal-Mart, CVS and Babies 'R Us no longer sell > baby > > > bottles made with BPA. > > > > > > •Most major baby bottle makers have stopped > using BPA, as > > > well. > > > > > > •Canned food makers such as Eden Foods, Hain > Celestial, > > > ConAgra and H.J. > > > Heinze use BPA-free linings in many of their > products. > > > General Mills has > > > committed to eliminating BPA from its Muir Glen > line of > > > canned tomatos. > > > Whole Foods stopped selling baby products made > with BPA in > > > 2006 and says 27% > > > of its store-brand canned goods are made with > BPA-free > > > containers. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that no brand was stated to be completely > BPA-free on > > > the canned food > > > linings. I remember reading that a " BPA-free " > canned food > > > company still had > > > BPA detectable in their food. Odd. I no longer > eat foods > > > from a can because > > > of the BPA. > > > > > > I feel my thyroid health declined from living in > a > > > fluoridated city for a > > > year and drinking the water out of a carbon > filter (like > > > Brita and Pur). > > > Those filters do not remove fluoride. That's why > I started > > > getting reverse > > > osmosis water from the supermarket machines. I > fill the > > > water into BPA-free > > > containers. I'm now on unfluoridated well water > that tastes > > > nasty and I > > > still get the R.O. water from the machines. I > don't want > > > the fluoride as > > > it's naturally above 1 ppm for many water > supplies tapped > > > into the same > > > aquifer. One water supply up the road from me > tested out at > > > 4 ppm! I'll get > > > my trace minerals from food and sea salt, thank > you. > > > > > > Yes, I could install a reverse osmosis filter at > home, but > > > if I did, I know > > > I'd be making sure the holding tank is BPA-free! > > > > > > Now in researching this I ran across info about > phthalates, > > > so some of my > > > reusable " #3 " 5 gallon plastic jugs might have to > go after > > > all. So I guess > > > that's another problem with plastic. > > > > > > -Nigel > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Matt, PET #1 plastic may contain phthalates, but they apparently don't leach. I read that here: http://www.nowfoods.com/M101673.htm It still concerns me, though. I stopped using my 5 gallon #3 plastic jugs as they apparently leach phthalates if phthalates are in them to being with. Just filling individual gallon jugs now at the supermarket water machine. There is BPA and phthalate-free plastic out there, but you have to look things up. Like Googling Glad brand reusable containers you'll see that they're free of both substances. I torture those things in the hottest dishwasher setting and they hold up pretty well. I never heat food in plastic, though. Goodness, apparently BPA can not only be in plastic utensils but on the lids of food in glass containers and on receipt paper: http://www.naturalnews.com/030307_glass_jars_BPA.html http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/48084/title/Science_%2B_the_Public__C\ oncerned_about_BPA_Check_your_receipts I know we can't avoid everything, but if you can avoid exposure to something many are suspecting to be a major problem with reasonable effort, why not do so? -Nigel On 1 February 2011 12:42, Matt <mattjon332@...> wrote: > > > Wow, its worse then I thought. I just realized the canned foods issue > with the liners, I have been using canned beans for my weekly chili etc... > > I am currently a bachelor so between my bottled water, plasticware, > plastic containers, canned foods, and all the plastics other foods come > in (heck my grass fed beef jerky comes wrapped in plastic) that is a lot > of potential to ingest estrogen like substances. > > I did find supposedly PET1 plastics are for the most part ok? Most > drinks come in these today, at least most drinks in my house in plastic. > > BR//Matt > > > On 2/1/2011 11:34 AM, philip georgian wrote: > > > > Good Job Nigel, > > > > I know there some plastics you can use that are safe just can't > > remember what they are called. > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > > > > > From: Nigel <nachonigel@... <mailto:nachonigel%40gmail.com>> > > > > Subject: Re: E2 in everything? > > > > > <mailto: %40> > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 7:27 PM > > > I'm assuming this " estrogen in > > > plastic " is BPA (bisphenol A), right? BPA, > > > which is a xenoestrogen, is NOT in any individual > > > disposable water container > > > that I'm aware of. It has been a problem with reusable > > > plastic water bottles > > > and baby bottles. This is what I read: > > > > > > > > > http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2008/goldman_schwab_bpa.html > > > > > > " Bisphenol A or BPA is one of the highest volume chemicals > > > produced > > > worldwide. Over six billion pounds are produced each year. > > > BPA is a manmade > > > chemical that is used in the production of many > > > plastic-containing consumer > > > products. These products include polycarbonate water > > > bottles, epoxy-lined > > > metal food cans and even some dental sealants. " > > > > > > " Most single-use water bottles sold in the United States > > > are made from > > > BPA-free plastic, but some reusable containers are made > > > from plastic > > > containing BPA. " > > > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/bpa.htm > > > > > > " DOES IT CONTAIN BPA? > > > > > > BPA is used in lightweight, durable plastics. Products > > > include some baby > > > bottles, sippy cups and reusable food and drink containers, > > > such as reusable > > > sports water bottles and Tupperware, compact discs, DVDs, > > > eyeglass lenses > > > and sports safety goggles and helmets. > > > > > > Recyclable, soft plastic bottles made for soft drinks and > > > bottled water > > > don't contain BPA. > > > > > > Some manufacturers are phasing out BPA in some products and > > > Tupperware's > > > website says it does not use BPA in children's products > > > sold in the United > > > States and Canada. > > > > > > BPA is also in epoxy resins used to make paints, adhesives > > > and canned food > > > liners. > > > > > > Government toxicology scientists say that to reduce > > > exposure, people can > > > avoid non-recyclable plastic containers that have the > > > number 7 on the > > > bottom; avoid using these plastics in the microwave, and > > > don't wash them in > > > the dishwasher with harsh detergents. " > > > > > > " Q: What are businesses doing? > > > > > > A: A growing number of businesses are taking steps to > > > reduce children's > > > exposure to BPA. > > > > > > •Sunoco, which makes BPA, in 2009 announced that it won't > > > sell the chemical > > > to customers whose products might expose infants or small > > > children. > > > > > > •Wal-Mart, CVS and Babies 'R Us no longer sell baby > > > bottles made with BPA. > > > > > > •Most major baby bottle makers have stopped using BPA, as > > > well. > > > > > > •Canned food makers such as Eden Foods, Hain Celestial, > > > ConAgra and H.J. > > > Heinze use BPA-free linings in many of their products. > > > General Mills has > > > committed to eliminating BPA from its Muir Glen line of > > > canned tomatos. > > > Whole Foods stopped selling baby products made with BPA in > > > 2006 and says 27% > > > of its store-brand canned goods are made with BPA-free > > > containers. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that no brand was stated to be completely BPA-free on > > > the canned food > > > linings. I remember reading that a " BPA-free " canned food > > > company still had > > > BPA detectable in their food. Odd. I no longer eat foods > > > from a can because > > > of the BPA. > > > > > > I feel my thyroid health declined from living in a > > > fluoridated city for a > > > year and drinking the water out of a carbon filter (like > > > Brita and Pur). > > > Those filters do not remove fluoride. That's why I started > > > getting reverse > > > osmosis water from the supermarket machines. I fill the > > > water into BPA-free > > > containers. I'm now on unfluoridated well water that tastes > > > nasty and I > > > still get the R.O. water from the machines. I don't want > > > the fluoride as > > > it's naturally above 1 ppm for many water supplies tapped > > > into the same > > > aquifer. One water supply up the road from me tested out at > > > 4 ppm! I'll get > > > my trace minerals from food and sea salt, thank you. > > > > > > Yes, I could install a reverse osmosis filter at home, but > > > if I did, I know > > > I'd be making sure the holding tank is BPA-free! > > > > > > Now in researching this I ran across info about phthalates, > > > so some of my > > > reusable " #3 " 5 gallon plastic jugs might have to go after > > > all. So I guess > > > that's another problem with plastic. > > > > > > -Nigel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 I don't turst any of them one is better off not drinking water from plastic bottles of cooking food in it. Co-Moderator Phil > > > > > > > From: Nigel <nachonigel@... > <mailto:nachonigel%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: E2 in > everything? > > > > > > > <mailto: %40> > > > > > > Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 7:27 PM > > > > I'm assuming this " estrogen in > > > > plastic " is BPA (bisphenol A), right? BPA, > > > > which is a xenoestrogen, is NOT in any > individual > > > > disposable water container > > > > that I'm aware of. It has been a problem > with reusable > > > > plastic water bottles > > > > and baby bottles. This is what I read: > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/articles/2008/goldman_schwab_bpa.html > > > > > > > > " Bisphenol A or BPA is one of the highest > volume chemicals > > > > produced > > > > worldwide. Over six billion pounds are > produced each year. > > > > BPA is a manmade > > > > chemical that is used in the production of > many > > > > plastic-containing consumer > > > > products. These products include > polycarbonate water > > > > bottles, epoxy-lined > > > > metal food cans and even some dental > sealants. " > > > > > > > > " Most single-use water bottles sold in the > United States > > > > are made from > > > > BPA-free plastic, but some reusable > containers are made > > > > from plastic > > > > containing BPA. " > > > > > > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/bpa.htm > > > > > > > > " DOES IT CONTAIN BPA? > > > > > > > > BPA is used in lightweight, durable > plastics. Products > > > > include some baby > > > > bottles, sippy cups and reusable food and > drink containers, > > > > such as reusable > > > > sports water bottles and Tupperware, compact > discs, DVDs, > > > > eyeglass lenses > > > > and sports safety goggles and helmets. > > > > > > > > Recyclable, soft plastic bottles made for > soft drinks and > > > > bottled water > > > > don't contain BPA. > > > > > > > > Some manufacturers are phasing out BPA in > some products and > > > > Tupperware's > > > > website says it does not use BPA in > children's products > > > > sold in the United > > > > States and Canada. > > > > > > > > BPA is also in epoxy resins used to make > paints, adhesives > > > > and canned food > > > > liners. > > > > > > > > Government toxicology scientists say that to > reduce > > > > exposure, people can > > > > avoid non-recyclable plastic containers that > have the > > > > number 7 on the > > > > bottom; avoid using these plastics in the > microwave, and > > > > don't wash them in > > > > the dishwasher with harsh detergents. " > > > > > > > > " Q: What are businesses doing? > > > > > > > > A: A growing number of businesses are taking > steps to > > > > reduce children's > > > > exposure to BPA. > > > > > > > > •Sunoco, which makes BPA, in 2009 > announced that it won't > > > > sell the chemical > > > > to customers whose products might expose > infants or small > > > > children. > > > > > > > > •Wal-Mart, CVS and Babies 'R Us no longer > sell baby > > > > bottles made with BPA. > > > > > > > > •Most major baby bottle makers have > stopped using BPA, as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > •Canned food makers such as Eden Foods, > Hain Celestial, > > > > ConAgra and H.J. > > > > Heinze use BPA-free linings in many of their > products. > > > > General Mills has > > > > committed to eliminating BPA from its Muir > Glen line of > > > > canned tomatos. > > > > Whole Foods stopped selling baby products > made with BPA in > > > > 2006 and says 27% > > > > of its store-brand canned goods are made > with BPA-free > > > > containers. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that no brand was stated to be > completely BPA-free on > > > > the canned food > > > > linings. I remember reading that a > " BPA-free " canned food > > > > company still had > > > > BPA detectable in their food. Odd. I no > longer eat foods > > > > from a can because > > > > of the BPA. > > > > > > > > I feel my thyroid health declined from > living in a > > > > fluoridated city for a > > > > year and drinking the water out of a carbon > filter (like > > > > Brita and Pur). > > > > Those filters do not remove fluoride. That's > why I started > > > > getting reverse > > > > osmosis water from the supermarket machines. > I fill the > > > > water into BPA-free > > > > containers. I'm now on unfluoridated well > water that tastes > > > > nasty and I > > > > still get the R.O. water from the machines. > I don't want > > > > the fluoride as > > > > it's naturally above 1 ppm for many water > supplies tapped > > > > into the same > > > > aquifer. One water supply up the road from > me tested out at > > > > 4 ppm! I'll get > > > > my trace minerals from food and sea salt, > thank you. > > > > > > > > Yes, I could install a reverse osmosis > filter at home, but > > > > if I did, I know > > > > I'd be making sure the holding tank is > BPA-free! > > > > > > > > Now in researching this I ran across info > about phthalates, > > > > so some of my > > > > reusable " #3 " 5 gallon plastic jugs might > have to go after > > > > all. So I guess > > > > that's another problem with plastic. > > > > > > > > -Nigel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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