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So what's new it all over the place for all men your not taking anything to keep

it in check and that test .18 nmol/L if very high it's at the top of the range

for a women we keep going over and over and over this.

Lab 1 .11 nmol/L is 110 pmol/L and is 31 pg/ml.

the lab at 0.08 nmol is 80 pmol/l and is about 22 pg/ml good.

69 pg/ml then having them do it over again much later I don't buy 40 or anything

the did over after you blood was sitting around in there lab.

All men on trt or off trt don't get the same E2 levels from test to test. Men

on TRT like myself taking arimidex will be close to the same number but we are

controlling it with Arimidex.

Estradiol is all around us in the food we eat the water we drink in the air we

breathe.

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Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: My many E2 results: Arimidex or not?

>

> Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

> Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> November til today, all blood was

> drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken before the

> blood draw:

>

>

> Lab 1 (Norway):

> 18th of November 2010:

> 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

>

> Lab 3 (Belgium):

> 18th of December 2010:

> E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is suddenly very,

> very high!

>

>

> Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> 13th of January 2011:

>

> E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this test to

> " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test above, but

> the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according to THIS

> result. However..

>

> Lab 2 (Norway):

> 17th of January 2011:

> E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high again.

> What's up with my E2?

>

> Lab 3 (Belgium):

> 18th of January 2011:

> E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the same blood

> as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a double-check to

> confirm the high result. I still find it weird that it was

> 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

>

>

> In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE.... Which

> results should I trust? Why are the results so different?

>

>

>

>

>

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Ok. I know bottled water, plastic bottles, have E2 in them. I qill have to quit

buying those. I just started buying VOSS spring water in glass bottles over

here. I will stick to those, even if they cost a lil bit extra. I always mix my

one bottle of water with sea salt, and I will do it in the glass bottle from now

on.

E2 labs are interesting cause, in the first 10 years of Hypothyroidism treatment

with Synthetic T4 and T3, my doc back then (kind of a Hertoghe-like guy!) always

measyred E2 and so on. And I never looked at the results, til 2008 when I

started getting really sick. SO, looking at the old blood sample results from

2007 and down til 1997 when I first started treating Thyroid, I can see that

mostly E2 was fine, like midrange or whatever, but sometimes, it was in the top

of the range. It was never above it though. Maybe the changing E2 was really

affecting how I felt back then, like, sometimes I felt a lil bit worse than

other times, and maybe it was E2 all along. It sure is interesting to learn

about hormones!

Right now I just feel plain horrible. I will start taking " Rinexin " tablets and

the " Nasonex " nasal spray. Rinexin is forbidden in the States (I believe some

people died from using it) but I have used it before so I will try it now - It

will reduce swollenness inside the nose and sinuses. The " Nasonex " is a

corticosterois spray for the nose, which will do the same. So I hope I will

survive taking these two - I have been using them before. But not while I have

been on HC, and other hormones.

I will try to get in touch with Hertoghe on Monday or Tuesday, and ask him if

it's ok that I start taking Arimidex. He will probably say yes.

Right now my Total T is at 23.1 pmol/l (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l) - I had that EXACT

same number wile I was NOT on TRT, but while on optimal thyroid, about 3 years

ago, before the stupid Endo's started weening me off all Thyroid meds. What does

that tell you, Phil?

I feel like.. If I wasn't taking TR, my E2 would've been fine. OR, maybe it's

DHEA that's the culprit in converting Testosteroner into E2????? Maybe I just

need to stop taking DHEA, and E2 will be fine?

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: My many E2 results: Arimidex or not?

>

> Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

> Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> November til today, all blood was

> drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken before the

> blood draw:

>

>

> Lab 1 (Norway):

> 18th of November 2010:

> 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

>

> Lab 3 (Belgium):

> 18th of December 2010:

> E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is suddenly very,

> very high!

>

>

> Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> 13th of January 2011:

>

> E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this test to

> " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test above, but

> the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according to THIS

> result. However..

>

> Lab 2 (Norway):

> 17th of January 2011:

> E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high again.

> What's up with my E2?

>

> Lab 3 (Belgium):

> 18th of January 2011:

> E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the same blood

> as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a double-check to

> confirm the high result. I still find it weird that it was

> 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

>

>

> In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE.... Which

> results should I trust? Why are the results so different?

>

>

>

>

>

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I was on Nasonex for yrs until I found out I have low Cortisol levels. Every

winter I would be sick as a dog with sines infections and Bronchitics. Going on

HC meds I don't have them problems anymore.

Don't buy water in Plastic bottles get a water filter use it and put your water

in a glass or stainless steel canteen. I use Brita for this.

http://www.brita.com/?locale=us & gclid=CJ6a0orl36YCFVln5QodCTD_0w

yes as you see in your old labs E2 goes all over the place.

I got my canteen here.

http://www.kleankanteen.com/

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Phil

>

>

>

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: My many E2 results: Arimidex

> or not?

>

> >

>

> > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

>

> > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

>

> > November til today, all blood was

>

> > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken before

> the

>

> > blood draw:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> > 18th of November 2010:

>

> > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

>

> >

>

> > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> > 18th of December 2010:

>

> > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is suddenly

> very,

>

> > very high!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > 13th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this test to

>

> > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test

> above, but

>

> > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according to

> THIS

>

> > result. However..

>

> >

>

> > Lab 2 (Norway):

>

> > 17th of January 2011:

>

> > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high again.

>

> > What's up with my E2?

>

> >

>

> > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> > 18th of January 2011:

>

> > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the same

> blood

>

> > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

> double-check to

>

> > confirm the high result. I still find it weird that it

> was

>

> > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE.... Which

>

> > results should I trust? Why are the results so

> different?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

>

> >

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I stopped drinking from plastic bottles yesterday. I bought a glass bottle of

VOSS water (as I live in Norway it's not so expensive as it is in the US!) and

fill that with clean tap water (we don't need to rinse it, it's amazingly clean,

like from a spring!) and add sea salt to it.

With so many things removed from my diet, it's weird how I live on! :) I only

eat meat and sald now, plus drink water. No fruit cause I am worried about

getting diabetes. No sugar. No carbs. Wow. My diet is super-boring! :)

I wonder about E2 and Arimidex.

>

>

>

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: My many E2 results: Arimidex

> or not?

>

> >

>

> > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

>

> > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

>

> > November til today, all blood was

>

> > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken before

> the

>

> > blood draw:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> > 18th of November 2010:

>

> > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

>

> >

>

> > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> > 18th of December 2010:

>

> > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is suddenly

> very,

>

> > very high!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > 13th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this test to

>

> > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test

> above, but

>

> > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according to

> THIS

>

> > result. However..

>

> >

>

> > Lab 2 (Norway):

>

> > 17th of January 2011:

>

> > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high again.

>

> > What's up with my E2?

>

> >

>

> > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> > 18th of January 2011:

>

> > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the same

> blood

>

> > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

> double-check to

>

> > confirm the high result. I still find it weird that it

> was

>

> > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE.... Which

>

> > results should I trust? Why are the results so

> different?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

>

> >

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I'd wonder if your elevated estraidol is from the DHEA.

You may wish to consider DHEA cream as it doesn't seem to go to estradiol

like the tablets do (including sublingual). My experience concurs with that

as long as I apply the DHEA to areas that have muscle and avoid thin skin.

-Nigel

On 28 January 2011 17:07, Gibcast <gibcast@...> wrote:

>

>

> I feel like.. If I wasn't taking TR, my E2 would've been fine. OR, maybe

> it's DHEA that's the culprit in converting Testosteroner into E2????? Maybe

> I just need to stop taking DHEA, and E2 will be fine?

>

>

>

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Thanks for the tip! I'll ask Hertoghe about it!

>

>

> I feel like.. If I wasn't taking TR, my E2 would've been fine. OR, maybe

> it's DHEA that's the culprit in converting Testosteroner into E2????? Maybe

> I just need to stop taking DHEA, and E2 will be fine?

>

>

>

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Later please write what Hertoghe says about it.

>

>

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I feel like.. If I wasn't taking TR, my E2 would've been fine. OR, maybe

>

> > it's DHEA that's the culprit in converting Testosteroner into E2????? Maybe

>

> > I just need to stop taking DHEA, and E2 will be fine?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

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Now that is nuts not to eat fruit thinking it will give you diabetes. You need

to eat from all the foods groups unless your told not to by your Dr.

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Phil

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: My many E2 results:

> Arimidex

>

> > or not?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

>

> >

>

> > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

>

> >

>

> > > November til today, all blood was

>

> >

>

> > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken

> before

>

> > the

>

> >

>

> > > blood draw:

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > > 18th of November 2010:

>

> >

>

> > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> >

>

> > > 18th of December 2010:

>

> >

>

> > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is

> suddenly

>

> > very,

>

> >

>

> > > very high!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > 13th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this

> test to

>

> >

>

> > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test

>

> > above, but

>

> >

>

> > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according

> to

>

> > THIS

>

> >

>

> > > result. However..

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 2 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > > 17th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high

> again.

>

> >

>

> > > What's up with my E2?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> >

>

> > > 18th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the

> same

>

> > blood

>

> >

>

> > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

>

> > double-check to

>

> >

>

> > > confirm the high result. I still find it weird

> that it

>

> > was

>

> >

>

> > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE....

> Which

>

> >

>

> > > results should I trust? Why are the results so

>

> > different?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

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> > >

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You can avoid some but it will always be around in the air you breath and food

you eat no matter what. One can not live in a glass bubble unfortunately. Just

make things simple not like a damn science experiment..

>

>

>

> > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> > Subject: My many E2 results: Arimidex or not?

>

> >

>

> > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

>

> > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

>

> > November til today, all blood was

>

> > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken before the

>

> > blood draw:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> > 18th of November 2010:

>

> > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

>

> >

>

> > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> > 18th of December 2010:

>

> > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is suddenly very,

>

> > very high!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > 13th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this test to

>

> > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test above, but

>

> > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according to THIS

>

> > result. However..

>

> >

>

> > Lab 2 (Norway):

>

> > 17th of January 2011:

>

> > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high again.

>

> > What's up with my E2?

>

> >

>

> > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> > 18th of January 2011:

>

> > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the same blood

>

> > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a double-check to

>

> > confirm the high result. I still find it weird that it was

>

> > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE.... Which

>

> > results should I trust? Why are the results so different?

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >      

>

> >

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Eating No carbs is also very very bad for you. My buddy did the atkins diet

with no carbs and yes his body did loose weight but it was in starvation mode.

When he began to eat healthy again his body saw the carbs and added double the

weight he had before. Since his body was " starving " for so long his body put on

extra fat thinking it may starve again.

Eat your carbs man! As long as they are good carbs from whole grains they are

good for your brain, body and probably hormones! Plus if you are worried about

diabetes then eat your fruit! The natural levels of sugar in fruit is likely a

lot better for you than the processed sugar from snacky foods.

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On Jan 30, 2011, at 8:22 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Now that is nuts not to eat fruit thinking it will give you diabetes. You need

to eat from all the foods groups unless your told not to by your Dr.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Subject: My many E2 results:

> > Arimidex

> >

> > > or not?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > November til today, all blood was

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken

> > before

> >

> > > the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > blood draw:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of November 2010:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of December 2010:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is

> > suddenly

> >

> > > very,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > very high!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 13th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this

> > test to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test

> >

> > > above, but

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according

> > to

> >

> > > THIS

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > result. However..

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 17th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high

> > again.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > What's up with my E2?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the

> > same

> >

> > > blood

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

> >

> > > double-check to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > confirm the high result. I still find it weird

> > that it

> >

> > > was

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE....

> > Which

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > results should I trust? Why are the results so

> >

> > > different?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

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if a person body can not handle the oxidative stress from <30 grams of carbs a

day then they are opening the door to prediabetes, other hormone issues, thyroid

issues. I have seen it happen many times to few freinds of mine.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Subject: My many E2 results:

> > > Arimidex

> > >

> > > > or not?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > November til today, all blood was

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken

> > > before

> > >

> > > > the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > blood draw:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of November 2010:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of December 2010:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is

> > > suddenly

> > >

> > > > very,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > very high!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 13th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this

> > > test to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test

> > >

> > > > above, but

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according

> > > to

> > >

> > > > THIS

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > result. However..

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 17th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high

> > > again.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > What's up with my E2?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the

> > > same

> > >

> > > > blood

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

> > >

> > > > double-check to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > confirm the high result. I still find it weird

> > > that it

> > >

> > > > was

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE....

> > > Which

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > results should I trust? Why are the results so

> > >

> > > > different?

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My problem is today rising insulin in serum. I had it in my teens before I got

into T4-treatment and working out, and while it went away back then, and stayed

good for 10 years, it's back now... :-(

 

I am super-worried about carbs now. I try to avoid fruits. I never touch sugar

anymore. I try to walk at least 1 hr daily.

 

What else can I do? Yes, eat smaller meals more often.

 

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Subject: Re: My many E2 results: Arimidex or not?

Date: Monday, January 31, 2011, 7:49 PM

 

if a person body can not handle the oxidative stress from <30 grams of carbs a

day then they are opening the door to prediabetes, other hormone issues, thyroid

issues. I have seen it happen many times to few freinds of mine.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Subject: My many E2 results:

> > > Arimidex

> > >

> > > > or not?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > November til today, all blood was

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken

> > > before

> > >

> > > > the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > blood draw:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of November 2010:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of December 2010:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is

> > > suddenly

> > >

> > > > very,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > very high!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 13th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this

> > > test to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test

> > >

> > > > above, but

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according

> > > to

> > >

> > > > THIS

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > result. However..

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 17th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high

> > > again.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > What's up with my E2?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the

> > > same

> > >

> > > > blood

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

> > >

> > > > double-check to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > confirm the high result. I still find it weird

> > > that it

> > >

> > > > was

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE....

> > > Which

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > results should I trust? Why are the results so

> > >

> > > > different?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

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> > >

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I am told not to eat sugar, gluten, diary, all carbs. So I am basically just

eating meat, fish, chicken with salad and dirnking water. I do sin sometimes and

eat cheese. I love cheese.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: My many E2 results:

> Arimidex

>

> > or not?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

>

> >

>

> > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

>

> >

>

> > > November til today, all blood was

>

> >

>

> > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken

> before

>

> > the

>

> >

>

> > > blood draw:

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > > 18th of November 2010:

>

> >

>

> > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> >

>

> > > 18th of December 2010:

>

> >

>

> > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is

> suddenly

>

> > very,

>

> >

>

> > > very high!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 1 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > 13th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did this

> test to

>

> >

>

> > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous test

>

> > above, but

>

> >

>

> > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex according

> to

>

> > THIS

>

> >

>

> > > result. However..

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 2 (Norway):

>

> >

>

> > > 17th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too high

> again.

>

> >

>

> > > What's up with my E2?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

>

> >

>

> > > 18th of January 2011:

>

> >

>

> > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was the

> same

>

> > blood

>

> >

>

> > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

>

> > double-check to

>

> >

>

> > > confirm the high result. I still find it weird

> that it

>

> > was

>

> >

>

> > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE PLACE....

> Which

>

> >

>

> > > results should I trust? Why are the results so

>

> > different?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

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You are on the Adkins diet. 3 oz cheese per day is OK.

I just started the diet under Dr orders to loose 85 pounds to get below 200. In

two weeks I have lost 20 pounds. He said this would help with ED & high blood

pressure.

>

> I am told not to eat sugar, gluten, diary, all carbs. So I am basically just

eating meat, fish, chicken with salad and dirnking water. I do sin sometimes and

eat cheese. I love cheese.

>

>

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You are on the Adkins diet. 3 oz cheese per day is OK.

I just started the diet under Dr orders to loose 85 pounds to get below 200. In

two weeks I have lost 20 pounds. He said this would help with ED & high blood

pressure.

>

> I am told not to eat sugar, gluten, diary, all carbs. So I am basically just

eating meat, fish, chicken with salad and dirnking water. I do sin sometimes and

eat cheese. I love cheese.

>

>

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atkins diet is the worse diet one can go on.

There needs to be severe modification done in order for this dr to be safe. If

your Dr put you on atkins diet then it should draw a huge red flag, but put you

in the grave alot faster. your muscle to fat loose will be completely opposite

resulting in decrease of Lean body mass and metablism. This is ass backwards

thinking.

> >

> > I am told not to eat sugar, gluten, diary, all carbs. So I am basically just

eating meat, fish, chicken with salad and dirnking water. I do sin sometimes and

eat cheese. I love cheese.

> >

> >

>

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The diet Dr. Hertoghe tells patients to eat (he uses it himself as well) is

called the Paleolithic Diet.

 

All I remember off of the top of my head is no sugar, no diary, no gluten (but I

think the gluten-part is not needed, it's just something I am choosing myself,

to be sure gluten is not causing issues for me!), no fruits with high GI. NO

MODERN CARBS. No gluten-free bread either, cause they're high carb.

 

So basically this means eating cow, sheep, pig, chicken, fish, a whole lot of

salad. A few fruits, but not often. And drinking water.

 

Is it really that bad, hardasnails?

 

I do have insulin resistance at the moment (while on optimal Thyroid 1997-2007 I

didn't have it!) and need to be careful with carbs.

 

 

From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

Subject: Re: My many E2 results: Arimidex or not?

Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 5:50 PM

 

atkins diet is the worse diet one can go on.

There needs to be severe modification done in order for this dr to be safe. If

your Dr put you on atkins diet then it should draw a huge red flag, but put you

in the grave alot faster. your muscle to fat loose will be completely opposite

resulting in decrease of Lean body mass and metablism. This is ass backwards

thinking.

> >

> > I am told not to eat sugar, gluten, diary, all carbs. So I am basically just

eating meat, fish, chicken with salad and dirnking water. I do sin sometimes and

eat cheese. I love cheese.

> >

> >

>

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There has been a war on fat for the past 30 years or so here in the

U.S., since then obesity and diabetes has sky rocketed. Everyone

removed fat and added in carbs, usually processed carbs, and its made us

all sicker in the process.

I am not saying that you should eat all fat and protein and no carbs,

but calling Atkins the worst diet you can go on is misguided as well. I

am not an expert on Atkins, but I believe the true form of it has lots

of vegetables and even some fruits in it, so its not totally carb free

and is similar to the paleo diet. There is an induction phase where you

have virtually no carbs, but that is not the total plan but unfortunetly

everyone seems to stick at that point.

I personally tend to lean more towards the paleo diet with a few

exceptions, somewhat like this:

http://www.healthhabits.ca/stuff-i-like/a-paleo-diet-for-the-21st-century/

I don't follow this way of eating currently, but its where I want to end up.

One other side note, eating meat is good, but eating hormone/anitbiotic

injected meat is not so good. I opt for grass fed non-hormonal meat always.

BR//Matt

On 2/1/2011 10:55 AM, Gibcast wrote:

>

> The diet Dr. Hertoghe tells patients to eat (he uses it himself as

> well) is called the Paleolithic Diet.

>

> All I remember off of the top of my head is no sugar, no diary, no

> gluten (but I think the gluten-part is not needed, it's just something

> I am choosing myself, to be sure gluten is not causing issues for

> me!), no fruits with high GI. NO MODERN CARBS. No gluten-free bread

> either, cause they're high carb.

>

> So basically this means eating cow, sheep, pig, chicken, fish, a whole

> lot of salad. A few fruits, but not often. And drinking water.

>

> Is it really that bad, hardasnails?

>

> I do have insulin resistance at the moment (while on optimal Thyroid

> 1997-2007 I didn't have it!) and need to be careful with carbs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...

> <mailto:hardasnails1973%40comcast.net>>

> Subject: Re: My many E2 results: Arimidex or not?

> <mailto: %40>

> Date: Tuesday, February 1, 2011, 5:50 PM

>

>

>

> atkins diet is the worse diet one can go on.

> There needs to be severe modification done in order for this dr to be

> safe. If your Dr put you on atkins diet then it should draw a huge red

> flag, but put you in the grave alot faster. your muscle to fat loose

> will be completely opposite resulting in decrease of Lean body mass

> and metablism. This is ass backwards thinking.

>

>

> > >

> > > I am told not to eat sugar, gluten, diary, all carbs. So I am

> basically just eating meat, fish, chicken with salad and dirnking

> water. I do sin sometimes and eat cheese. I love cheese.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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I don't feel it's so much what we eat but how much. I eat a lot of fruit 5 /

day bread that I eat is diet I eat from all the food groups.

Co-Moderator

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> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Subject: My many E2 results:

> > Arimidex

> >

> > > or not?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > November til today, all blood was

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken

> > before

> >

> > > the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > blood draw:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of November 2010:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of December 2010:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is

> > suddenly

> >

> > > very,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > very high!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 13th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did

> this

> > test to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous

> test

> >

> > > above, but

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex

> according

> > to

> >

> > > THIS

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > result. However..

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 17th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too

> high

> > again.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > What's up with my E2?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was

> the

> > same

> >

> > > blood

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

> >

> > > double-check to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > confirm the high result. I still find it

> weird

> > that it

> >

> > > was

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE

> PLACE....

> > Which

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > results should I trust? Why are the results

> so

> >

> > > different?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

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> >

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> >

> > >

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> >

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I was avoiding fruits since 1997 when I got diagnoes with " some kind of

Hypothyroidism " and was put on T4. I had an AMAZING 10 years (having sex up to 9

hrs with 9 orgasms during those 9 hours, without even stopping once! hahaha!

memories!) - Then in 2008 my while life went down the drain when Endo's removed

my T3, and tried to slowly ween me off my T4-meds. So, I've been having

digestion issues (i guess) and stool problems (clearly!) for 3+ years now, but

it started before the Endo's tried to ween me OFF OF my Thyroid meds. SO, as

a precautionary move, I stopped eating gluten ON MY OWN. I have also heard that

Hypo people have issues with gluten, so why not. I sure miss eating

gluten-things, and especially dark bread, stuff that's supposed to be healthy.

Anyway. Dunno what to do. Maybe I should add in gluten again and see what

happens? STOPPING GLUTEN DID _NOT_ FIX MY BOWEL/STOOL ISSUE!!!! - They are still

too soft, too pale, too undigested etc.

 

PS! I only started eating " lots " of fruits after Hertoghe said it improves

Thyroid. So I did that since March 2010 til December 2010 when I saw my blood

sugar raise up to like 15 about 2-3 hours after eating. NOT A GOOD NUMBER. It

should be between 4 and 6 mmol/l when not eating. This is due to my insulin

resistance and high serum insulin at the moment.

 

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Subject: My many E2 results:

> > Arimidex

> >

> > > or not?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08 PM

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > November til today, all blood was

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC taken

> > before

> >

> > > the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > blood draw:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of November 2010:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of December 2010:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This is

> > suddenly

> >

> > > very,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > very high!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 13th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I did

> this

> > test to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the previous

> test

> >

> > > above, but

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex

> according

> > to

> >

> > > THIS

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > result. However..

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 17th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE: Too

> high

> > again.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > What's up with my E2?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 18th of January 2011:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE: This was

> the

> > same

> >

> > > blood

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This was a

> >

> > > double-check to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > confirm the high result. I still find it

> weird

> > that it

> >

> > > was

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE

> PLACE....

> > Which

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > results should I trust? Why are the results

> so

> >

> > > different?

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

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> >

> > >

> >

> > > >      

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> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

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> >

> > >

> >

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> >

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> >

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Sugar goes up after eating to tell if you have high or low sugar problems one

needs it tested fasting.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Subject: My many E2

> results:

> > > Arimidex

> > >

> > > > or not?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08

> PM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > November til today, all blood was

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC

> taken

> > > before

> > >

> > > > the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > blood draw:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of November 2010:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of December 2010:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE:

> This is

> > > suddenly

> > >

> > > > very,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > very high!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 13th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I

> did

> > this

> > > test to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the

> previous

> > test

> > >

> > > > above, but

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex

> > according

> > > to

> > >

> > > > THIS

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > result. However..

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 17th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE:

> Too

> > high

> > > again.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > What's up with my E2?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE:

> This was

> > the

> > > same

> > >

> > > > blood

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This

> was a

> > >

> > > > double-check to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > confirm the high result. I still find

> it

> > weird

> > > that it

> > >

> > > > was

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE

> > PLACE....

> > > Which

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > results should I trust? Why are the

> results

> > so

> > >

> > > > different?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >      

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

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> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

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> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > > >

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I test my fasting glucose about every other week. It's either a bit too low at

3.8 mmol/l or in the middle at 5.0 mmol/l or close to top range at 5.8 mmol/l.

The range is 4 - 6 mmol/l. So this means my glucose is unstable and changing

all the time, which again means I have high insulin and insulin resistance.

That's why I am choosing to be a bit careful with sugar - I am not eating any

sugar anymore; And I am cutting down on fruit. And eating smaller meals. I try

to eat every 2-3 hours, small meals.

 

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Subject: My many E2

> results:

> > > Arimidex

> > >

> > > > or not?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 2:08

> PM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results from

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > November til today, all blood was

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with HC

> taken

> > > before

> > >

> > > > the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > blood draw:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of November 2010:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems fine!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of December 2010:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE:

> This is

> > > suddenly

> > >

> > > > very,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > very high!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 13th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE: I

> did

> > this

> > > test to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in the

> previous

> > test

> > >

> > > > above, but

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no Arimidex

> > according

> > > to

> > >

> > > > THIS

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > result. However..

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 17th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) - NOTE:

> Too

> > high

> > > again.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > What's up with my E2?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 18th of January 2011:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) - NOTE:

> This was

> > the

> > > same

> > >

> > > > blood

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from. This

> was a

> > >

> > > > double-check to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > confirm the high result. I still find

> it

> > weird

> > > that it

> > >

> > > > was

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood draw!

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER THE

> > PLACE....

> > > Which

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > results should I trust? Why are the

> results

> > so

> > >

> > > > different?

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > > >      

> > >

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> > > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > >

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> > > >

> > >

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I eat meat and eggs.No fruits,vegatables and only drink water.Approximately 80%

fat,20% protein and neglible carbs.Been doing this strictly for over 2

years.Went from over 270 to 195.Very muscular although i never touch weights.My

lipids are excellent.Far cry from when I was eating a low fat diet.My internist

just shakes his head and says he doesn't understand it but keep doing it.I treat

myself as a type 1 diabetic with no access to insulin.Works for me but most

won't or can't tolerate it.I eat for fuel not as something to enjoy or socialize

over.

Get about as excited over a meal as going to gas station to tank up.Phil

> > > >

> > > > I am told not to eat sugar, gluten, diary, all carbs. So I am

> > basically just eating meat, fish, chicken with salad and dirnking

> > water. I do sin sometimes and eat cheese. I love cheese.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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Think about what you just said glucose is your sugar levels and after you eat

they go up they never stay the same from hr. to hr. When I took care of my

Mother in Law I had to test her sugar levels at times ever 2 hrs. She was on a

med to keep it down but the levels were never the same from each time I checked

them. I asked her Dr. about this and he said as long as her levels were not

high just before a meal she was fine.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Subject: My many

> E2

> > results:

> > > > Arimidex

> > > >

> > > > > or not?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011,

> 2:08

> > PM

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results

> from

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > November til today, all blood was

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with

> HC

> > taken

> > > > before

> > > >

> > > > > the

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > blood draw:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 18th of November 2010:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems

> fine!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 18th of December 2010:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) -

> NOTE:

> > This is

> > > > suddenly

> > > >

> > > > > very,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > very high!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 13th of January 2011:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE:

> I

> > did

> > > this

> > > > test to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in

> the

> > previous

> > > test

> > > >

> > > > > above, but

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no

> Arimidex

> > > according

> > > > to

> > > >

> > > > > THIS

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > result. However..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 17th of January 2011:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) -

> NOTE:

> > Too

> > > high

> > > > again.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > What's up with my E2?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 18th of January 2011:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) -

> NOTE:

> > This was

> > > the

> > > > same

> > > >

> > > > > blood

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from.

> This

> > was a

> > > >

> > > > > double-check to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > confirm the high result. I still

> find

> > it

> > > weird

> > > > that it

> > > >

> > > > > was

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood

> draw!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER

> THE

> > > PLACE....

> > > > Which

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > results should I trust? Why are

> the

> > results

> > > so

> > > >

> > > > > different?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >      

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

> message

> > have

> > > been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > >

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Gibcast: 1) get on the computer and find a good Diabetic site or group wealth

of info on them !!  2) get a Glucose meter (easy to use)  and check your sugar

levals before you eat and 2-3 hours after you eat 3) eat fruit its a differant

kind of suger natural not refined 4) stay away fom refined sugar and anything

with corn syrup and startchs ( they convert to sugars) This will give you a

start anyway  Good Health  Glen 

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Subject: My many

> E2

> > results:

> > > > Arimidex

> > > >

> > > > > or not?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, January 28, 2011,

> 2:08

> > PM

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Ok, let's look at my E2 results

> from

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > November til today, all blood was

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > drawn at 11 am, fasting, only with

> HC

> > taken

> > > > before

> > > >

> > > > > the

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > blood draw:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 18th of November 2010:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 0.11 (<0.18) - NOTE: Seems

> fine!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 18th of December 2010:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > E2: 69 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) -

> NOTE:

> > This is

> > > > suddenly

> > > >

> > > > > very,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > very high!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 1 (Norway):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 13th of January 2011:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > E2: 0.08 (<0.18 nmol/l) - NOTE:

> I

> > did

> > > this

> > > > test to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > " confirm " my E2 was high as in

> the

> > previous

> > > test

> > > >

> > > > > above, but

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > the result was NORMAL. So, no

> Arimidex

> > > according

> > > > to

> > > >

> > > > > THIS

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > result. However..

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 2 (Norway):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 17th of January 2011:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > E2: 0.15 (0.06 - 0.14 nmol/l) -

> NOTE:

> > Too

> > > high

> > > > again.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > What's up with my E2?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > Lab 3 (Belgium):

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 18th of January 2011:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > E2: 40 pg/mL (<30 pg/mL) -

> NOTE:

> > This was

> > > the

> > > > same

> > > >

> > > > > blood

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > as the 69 pg/mL result was from.

> This

> > was a

> > > >

> > > > > double-check to

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > confirm the high result. I still

> find

> > it

> > > weird

> > > > that it

> > > >

> > > > > was

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 69 then 40 on the same blood

> draw!

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > In my opinion.... E2 is ALL OVER

> THE

> > > PLACE....

> > > > Which

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > results should I trust? Why are

> the

> > results

> > > so

> > > >

> > > > > different?

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

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