Re: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone symptoms on my own with Clomid...

[Guest guest]

I think I know someone that can help you her nick is Lethal Lee send her a PM at

this link and tell her I sent you see if she knows a Dr. there that can help

you.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=6 & t=19103

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: duffman_oh_yaeh <duffman_oh_yaeh@...>

> Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

>

> Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 7:06 PM

> I been in the exact same situation

> for the last 4 years trying to get TRT. I went to an

> anti-aging dr 1 year ago and he did a genetic blood test for

> heamo i suggest you get this too cause you probably have it.

> I been treat for that he also put me on arimidex i took that

> for 6 months got bloods done and nothing happened to my

> testosterone levels he now put me on test cream took that

> for 1 months got bloods done and still nothing we have now

> increased the test cream dose by 4 times. I will get bloods

> done but quite certain they wouldnt have changed much, I

> told him i wanna go the IM route he said last time he

> prescribed that he got the TGA (therapeutic good admin)(it's

> an Australian department) calling him saying wtf..

>

> I told him i would just self medicate with my gym buddies

> homebrew testosterone enth then as a last resort (i wish i

> had done this from the begining, wasted thousands of dollars

> and time on this)

>

>

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I made a thread here over a year ago where I posted my

> test results. According to Norwegian reference ranges I am

> normal, but my testosterone levels converge to the bottom of

> the reference range. At age 26 and with my symptoms, that is

> not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m fine.

> >

> > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy, unrefreshed

> sleep (need lots of sleep), low libido, low potency, etc.

> >

> > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels I was

> fairly sure I had iron overload, but after following up this

> and talking to several experts, I have ruled out this one

> for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms though, but

> it could have been random that it was elevated. An American

> expert still believes that I might have it, but I`ll leave

> it for now. Basically, I have fairly elevated and rising

> ferritin which gives reason to suspect hemachromatosis, but

> other test results does not confirm the condition.

> >

> > That brings me back to treating my low testosterone

> symptoms directly.

> >

> > After some reading and talking to a few people, I have

> learned that 25 mg of Clomid per day can help the body to

> produce more testosterone by elevating LH and FSH levels

> (which both were bottom range with me). I even read some

> anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could give

> permanent results.

> >

> > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered flying to

> the US, but can`t afford it right now) will probably be able

> to help me, I am now considering to test out this SERM

> treatment on my own.

> >

> > What are your guys opinion on this?

> >

> > Is there any risk associated with this?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > ny

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

You can get the same results using HCG and you can buy it from ADC. Do 250 IU's

in a shot the 2 days each before your next T shot. Doing this will keep your

testis working all the time. Clomid is not good to take for TRT it was not

tested for this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wjj1234 <wjj1234@...>

> Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

>

> Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 10:16 PM

> Regarding use of Clomid as a means of

> stimulating the testes to produce testosterone, my doctor

> has me using it between cycles of testosterone gel.  My

> regular total test level is about 270 (I'm 53).  I did

> Clomid for a month one time a year ago as an experiment and

> it got me to about 380.  On test gel I am about

> 550. 

>

> The bottom line is that Clomid alone does work (for me

> anyway) but my doctor won't let me use it long term. 

> It's just as well, though, as with the test gel, I have

> higher test levels and using Clomid for two weeks between

> eight week cycles I have the satisfaction of feeling my

> testicles doing their own thing.  W

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone,

> > > >

> > > > I made a thread here over a year ago where I

> posted my

> > > test results. According to Norwegian reference

> ranges I am

> > > normal, but my testosterone levels converge to

> the bottom of

> > > the reference range. At age 26 and with my

> symptoms, that is

> > > not acceptable, but Norwegian doctors says I`m

> fine.

> > > >

> > > > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy,

> unrefreshed

> > > sleep (need lots of sleep), low libido, low

> potency, etc.

> > > >

> > > > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin levels

> I was

> > > fairly sure I had iron overload, but after

> following up this

> > > and talking to several experts, I have ruled out

> this one

> > > for now. It would fit perfect with the symptoms

> though, but

> > > it could have been random that it was elevated.

> An American

> > > expert still believes that I might have it, but

> I`ll leave

> > > it for now. Basically, I have fairly elevated and

> rising

> > > ferritin which gives reason to suspect

> hemachromatosis, but

> > > other test results does not confirm the

> condition.

> > > >

> > > > That brings me back to treating my low

> testosterone

> > > symptoms directly.

> > > >

> > > > After some reading and talking to a few

> people, I have

> > > learned that 25 mg of Clomid per day can help the

> body to

> > > produce more testosterone by elevating LH and FSH

> levels

> > > (which both were bottom range with me). I even

> read some

> > > anecdotes that suggested that this treatment

> could give

> > > permanent results.

> > > >

> > > > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have considered

> flying to

> > > the US, but can`t afford it right now) will

> probably be able

> > > to help me, I am now considering to test out this

> SERM

> > > treatment on my own.

> > > >

> > > > What are your guys opinion on this?

> > > >

> > > > Is there any risk associated with this?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > >

> > > > ny

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

How long ago did you PM her she gets an Email that she has a PM from someone.

If it's been days try again don't know if she is sick or real busy.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: duffman_oh_yaeh <duffman_oh_yaeh@...>

> Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

>

> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 10:51 PM

> Tried PM'ing her and got no reply.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee good to see you joined Welcome.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: pricklefoot3 <pricklefoot3@...>

> Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

>

> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 2:45 PM

> Howdy Phil & Duffman,

>

> Just caught this post & checked my RTH PM's.

> Sorry didn't see it or maybe I did then forgot?

> Been a little scattered lately with Hubby off work &

> Twins attending Uni.

>

> Anyway to the OP as I am in Perth and only know of some

> Docs locally I have forwarded your request to Oz

> the moderator of Aussie RTH Subforum. She may be able to

> help as she does keep details of Docs Australia wide that

> previous members have found helpful.

>

> Regards Lethal Lee

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The results on the effect of T levels are encouraging.  However, I'm curious

what about other metrics commonly associated with hypogonadism are showing? 

WHat does this med do to the liver?

________________________________

From: johnnypilskog <johnnypilskog@...>

Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 4:38:34 AM

Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

 

Check out this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19694928

Clomiphene proved more effective and cheaper with less side-effects compared to

TRT.

I don`t know why Clomiphene as treatment is less known than TRT. Perhaps because

it is cheaper and that means less profit?

> You can get the same results using HCG and you can buy it from ADC. Do 250

IU's

>in a shot the 2 days each before your next T shot. Doing this will keep your

>testis working all the time. Clomid is not good to take for TRT it was not

>tested for this.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Be very careful what you read Clomid is used for infertility and has never been

tested long term for TRT in men. The sides men have from this are higher

Estrogen levels feelings of PMS and some men get flooters in there eyes that

don't go way when they stop taking it. One of the best male hormone Dr.'s out

there will not use Clomid long term on men because of this.

Visual Symptoms - Blurred vision, lights, floaters, waves, .

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: johnnypilskog <johnnypilskog@...>

> Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

>

> Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 7:38 AM

> Check out this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19694928

>

> Clomiphene proved more effective and cheaper with less

> side-effects compared to TRT.

>

> I don`t know why Clomiphene as treatment is less known than

> TRT. Perhaps because it is cheaper and that means less

> profit?

>

> > You can get the same results using HCG and you can buy

> it from ADC.  Do 250 IU's in a shot the 2 days each

> before your next T shot.  Doing this will keep your

> testis working all the time.  Clomid is not good to

> take for TRT it was not tested for this.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't tell people what to do here just tell them what I know about things.

Some men here are on Clomid and doing good. The men I know that tried it did

not feel very good the sides were real bad all you can do if try it. I am

secondary and my Dr. will not let me try this. There is a new med coming out

that is like Clomid but without the problems that Clomid has it's in stage 3 of

testing.

I have a link about it but can't find it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: johnnypilskog <johnnypilskog@...>

> Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

>

> Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 11:03 AM

> I have read several studies that

> concluded with zero side-effects.

>

> The side-effects you mention are as far as I have learned

> dose-related and I`m sure they do appear with higher doses,

> but by using 25 mg or less per day it should not be an

> issue.

>

> I believe that traditional TRT is not without side-effects

> either.

>

>

> >

> > > From: johnnypilskog <johnnypilskog@...>

> > > Subject: Re: I am considering

> treating my low testosterone symptoms on my own with

> Clomid...

> > >

> > > Date: Sunday, September 5, 2010, 7:38 AM

> > > Check out this study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19694928

> > >

> > > Clomiphene proved more effective and cheaper with

> less

> > > side-effects compared to TRT.

> > >

> > > I don`t know why Clomiphene as treatment is less

> known than

> > > TRT. Perhaps because it is cheaper and that means

> less

> > > profit?

> > >

> > > > You can get the same results using HCG and

> you can buy

> > > it from ADC.  Do 250 IU's in a shot the 2 days

> each

> > > before your next T shot.  Doing this will keep

> your

> > > testis working all the time.  Clomid is not good

> to

> > > take for TRT it was not tested for this.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dr. M is right about low Estradiol if I drive it to low on Arimidex I can't

get it up taking a pill. And it shuts down my libido like shutting off a

switch.

Co-Moderator

Phil

  Low estradiol production - both from

> the adrenals and from testicular production - can lower

> libido. Estradiol is necessary for sex drive. Estradiol

> signals the production of testosterone receptors. With

> Estradiol, the body can become " deaf " to testosterone.

>

> I have not gotten my Clomiphene yet though.

>

> Best regards,

>

> ny

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello everyone,

> > > > >

> > > > > I made a thread here over a year ago

> where I posted my test results. According to Norwegian

> reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels

> converge to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and

> with my symptoms, that is not acceptable, but Norwegian

> doctors says I`m fine.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suffer from fatigue, lack of energy,

> unrefreshed sleep (need lots of sleep), low libido, low

> potency, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since I had fairly elevated ferritin

> levels I was fairly sure I had iron overload, but after

> following up this and talking to several experts, I have

> ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with the

> symptoms though, but it could have been random that it was

> elevated. An American expert still believes that I might

> have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have fairly

> elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

> hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the

> condition.

> > > > >

> > > > > That brings me back to treating my low

> testosterone symptoms directly.

> > > > >

> > > > > After some reading and talking to a few

> people, I have learned that 25 mg of Clomid per day can help

> the body to produce more testosterone by elevating LH and

> FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I even

> read some anecdotes that suggested that this treatment could

> give permanent results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have

> considered flying to the US, but can`t afford it right now)

> will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

> test out this SERM treatment on my own.

> > > > >

> > > > > What are your guys opinion on this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there any risk associated with

> this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > > >

> > > > > ny

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yet his levels if this is true are good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wayback44 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: I am considering treating my low testosterone

symptoms on my own with Clomid...

>

> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 6:51 PM

> Yes, he got it wrong.  For

> Estradiol:

>

> 0,04 - 0,18 nmol/L  =  11 - 49 pg/mL

>

> <0,07 nmol/L  =  19 pg/mL

>

> The conversion factor is .003671.

>

> However, that " < " apparently means the test only gives

> valid readings down to 0,07.  So you don't know how

> much lower it might actually be.

>

> In any case, you certainly don't have high estradiol, so

> there would be no point taking an aromatase inhibitor. 

> Next time, see if you can get a " sensitive " version of the

> E2 test that gives valid results down to a much lower

> level.

>

> I do think no is right that E2 being too low can cause

> symptoms very similar to T being too low.  Everything

> I've read supports that.  So you really do need to know

> what it is.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello everyone,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I made a thread here over a year

> ago where I posted my test results. According to Norwegian

> reference ranges I am normal, but my testosterone levels

> converge to the bottom of the reference range. At age 26 and

> with my symptoms, that is not acceptable, but Norwegian

> doctors says I`m fine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I suffer from fatigue, lack of

> energy, unrefreshed sleep (need lots of sleep), low libido,

> low potency, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since I had fairly elevated

> ferritin levels I was fairly sure I had iron overload, but

> after following up this and talking to several experts, I

> have ruled out this one for now. It would fit perfect with

> the symptoms though, but it could have been random that it

> was elevated. An American expert still believes that I might

> have it, but I`ll leave it for now. Basically, I have fairly

> elevated and rising ferritin which gives reason to suspect

> hemachromatosis, but other test results does not confirm the

> condition.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That brings me back to treating my

> low testosterone symptoms directly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After some reading and talking to

> a few people, I have learned that 25 mg of Clomid per day

> can help the body to produce more testosterone by elevating

> LH and FSH levels (which both were bottom range with me). I

> even read some anecdotes that suggested that this treatment

> could give permanent results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since no Norwegian doctor (I have

> considered flying to the US, but can`t afford it right now)

> will probably be able to help me, I am now considering to

> test out this SERM treatment on my own.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What are your guys opinion on

> this?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there any risk associated with

> this?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks in advance,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ny

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

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