Re: High SHBG on T3

[Guest guest]

High and Welcome,

Wow your getting it from both ends I tell people don't go on T3 only meds at

them high dose's to lower RT3. One needs to figure out way RT3 is high and fix

it that way. What you have done is shut down your HPTA

(hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis) and on top of this you drove up your

SHBG on T3 only meds. Now your body is not making Testosterone and what

Testosterone it is making your high levels of SHBG are binding it up so it's not

working so now your Free Testosterone is low.

Now I am not a Dr. can't tell you how to fix this but there are Dr.'s out there

and people that work with a Dr. like Hardasnails that you can work with to fix

this if your lucky and you can get your HPTA jump started again you will not

been to be on TRT for life.

Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com is good at this he will work with your Family

Dr. over the phone to test and treat you or you can try Dr.O with Hardasnails.

Overbeck hardasnails1973@... 484-868-0916 contact 1100 fayette

st Conshohocken Internal medicine Male and female hormone disorders and

metabolic disorders 610-828-2026

Here read this link about RT3.

http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/reverse-t3-dominance/

I am betting your Estradiol levels are very high also giving you the nipple

problems you need a mess of labs run.

At Dr. link read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this are labs you need and

why.

Here is a good link about low T and high E2 levels.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: john.betchley@... <john.betchley@...>

> Subject: High SHBG on T3

>

> Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:05 PM

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm new here, been taking T3 only for 12 weeks to bring

> reverse T3 down.

> My symptoms are low mood, anxiety,low libido.

>

> Had some test done by my doctor and my SHBG has come back

> very high

>

> Total Test - 23 (10-30)

>

> SHBG - 81 (not sure of the units or ref range but was told

> this was high)

>

> I know that T3 raises SHBG,is that dose dependant, i.e

> higher T3 dose the higher the SHBG goes.

>

> I have had some gyno, small lump in my nipple which keeps

> coming back.I have just stopped taking some tamoxifen which

> has got rid of the tenderness, but there is still a small

> lump there. The gyno started about 2 years ago after I took

> a bodybuilding supplement called Superdrol. Bought it off

> the internet and didn't realise it would actually shut down

> my natural testosterone production.

>

> Would taking nettle extract help lower SHBG and free up

> some of y testosterone?

>

> Any advise would be appreciated.

>

> Many Thanks

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil,

I am in the U.K. would these people still be able to help me?

I have been taking my temperatures throughout being on T3 and they have risen

from 97.7 to 98.6 so think I have cleared the RT3.

Could I now switch to natural thyroid with T4 in now?

Thanks

>

> > From: john.betchley@... <john.betchley@...>

> > Subject: High SHBG on T3

> >

> > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:05 PM

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm new here, been taking T3 only for 12 weeks to bring

> > reverse T3 down.

> > My symptoms are low mood, anxiety,low libido.

> >

> > Had some test done by my doctor and my SHBG has come back

> > very high

> >

> > Total Test - 23 (10-30)

> >

> > SHBG - 81 (not sure of the units or ref range but was told

> > this was high)

> >

> > I know that T3 raises SHBG,is that dose dependant, i.e

> > higher T3 dose the higher the SHBG goes.

> >

> > I have had some gyno, small lump in my nipple which keeps

> > coming back.I have just stopped taking some tamoxifen which

> > has got rid of the tenderness, but there is still a small

> > lump there. The gyno started about 2 years ago after I took

> > a bodybuilding supplement called Superdrol. Bought it off

> > the internet and didn't realise it would actually shut down

> > my natural testosterone production.

> >

> > Would taking nettle extract help lower SHBG and free up

> > some of y testosterone?

> >

> > Any advise would be appreciated.

> >

> > Many Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't know what to tell you if you came here first talking about taking T3

only meds to lower your RT3 I would have tired to talk you out of doing this

because it mess's up your hormones. I even get women coming here on T3 only

meds in a mess. You can try posting to Val. at her forum she is up on this and

good at it.

RT3_T3/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: john.betchley@... <john.betchley@...>

> Subject: Re: High SHBG on T3

>

> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 2:45 PM

>

> Thanks Phil,

>

> I am in the U.K. would these people still be able to help

> me?

>

> I have been taking my temperatures throughout being on T3

> and they have risen from 97.7 to 98.6 so think I have

> cleared the RT3.

> Could I now switch to natural thyroid with T4 in now?

>

> Thanks

>

> >

> > > From: john.betchley@...

> <john.betchley@...>

> > > Subject: High SHBG on T3

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:05 PM

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm new here, been taking T3 only for 12 weeks to

> bring

> > > reverse T3 down.

> > > My symptoms are low mood, anxiety,low libido.

> > >

> > > Had some test done by my doctor and my SHBG has

> come back

> > > very high

> > >

> > > Total Test - 23 (10-30)

> > >

> > > SHBG - 81 (not sure of the units or ref range but

> was told

> > > this was high)

> > >

> > > I know that T3 raises SHBG,is that dose

> dependant, i.e

> > > higher T3 dose the higher the SHBG goes.

> > >

> > > I have had some gyno, small lump in my nipple

> which keeps

> > > coming back.I have just stopped taking some

> tamoxifen which

> > > has got rid of the tenderness, but there is still

> a small

> > > lump there. The gyno started about 2 years ago

> after I took

> > > a bodybuilding supplement called Superdrol.

> Bought it off

> > > the internet and didn't realise it would actually

> shut down

> > > my natural testosterone production.

> > >

> > > Would taking nettle extract help lower SHBG and

> free up

> > > some of y testosterone?

> > >

> > > Any advise would be appreciated.

> > >

> > > Many Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I just spoke to Val, basically my Reverse T3 was high due to low cortisol, which

was confirmed by saliva test. I have been taking Hydrocortisone for the last 5

months.

Because my T4 levels were actually quite high before taking T3, I may be able to

slowly wean off the T3 hopefully because the Rt3 has gone my adrenals will

recover. I will need to monitor my temperature and make sure i'm not converting

T4 to RT3 again.

My question is do you think my SHBG will come down once I come off the T3? And

when I tested cortisol my DHEA was also low would it be worth adding in some

DHEA?

Thanks Again

> > >

> > > > From: john.betchley@

> > <john.betchley@>

> > > > Subject: High SHBG on T3

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:05 PM

> > > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I'm new here, been taking T3 only for 12 weeks to

> > bring

> > > > reverse T3 down.

> > > > My symptoms are low mood, anxiety,low libido.

> > > >

> > > > Had some test done by my doctor and my SHBG has

> > come back

> > > > very high

> > > >

> > > > Total Test - 23 (10-30)

> > > >

> > > > SHBG - 81 (not sure of the units or ref range but

> > was told

> > > > this was high)

> > > >

> > > > I know that T3 raises SHBG,is that dose

> > dependant, i.e

> > > > higher T3 dose the higher the SHBG goes.

> > > >

> > > > I have had some gyno, small lump in my nipple

> > which keeps

> > > > coming back.I have just stopped taking some

> > tamoxifen which

> > > > has got rid of the tenderness, but there is still

> > a small

> > > > lump there. The gyno started about 2 years ago

> > after I took

> > > > a bodybuilding supplement called Superdrol.

> > Bought it off

> > > > the internet and didn't realise it would actually

> > shut down

> > > > my natural testosterone production.

> > > >

> > > > Would taking nettle extract help lower SHBG and

> > free up

> > > > some of y testosterone?

> > > >

> > > > Any advise would be appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Many Thanks

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

This is not always true.

I stopped my cortef and my rt3 came down to normal and feel alot better. Val

means well but she is on the verge of practicing medicine with out a licensce.

Dealing with rt3, the secret is to find the source of the stress not use more

cortef. Cortef can become incredible psycholggical addicting. I know val means

well but she has landed people into the hospital. Few got in contact with me and

almost commited suicede due to her crazy recommendation. As a medical

professional she is walking that fine line. So take what she saids with a grain

of salt. Untill they see it from clinical standpoint treating rt3 directly can

cause more problems then it is worth and its really just a bandaid effect. The

secret id to isolate the cause and then deal with it at the root problem.

> > > >

> > > > > From: john.betchley@

> > > <john.betchley@>

> > > > > Subject: High SHBG on T3

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:05 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm new here, been taking T3 only for 12 weeks to

> > > bring

> > > > > reverse T3 down.

> > > > > My symptoms are low mood, anxiety,low libido.

> > > > >

> > > > > Had some test done by my doctor and my SHBG has

> > > come back

> > > > > very high

> > > > >

> > > > > Total Test - 23 (10-30)

> > > > >

> > > > > SHBG - 81 (not sure of the units or ref range but

> > > was told

> > > > > this was high)

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that T3 raises SHBG,is that dose

> > > dependant, i.e

> > > > > higher T3 dose the higher the SHBG goes.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have had some gyno, small lump in my nipple

> > > which keeps

> > > > > coming back.I have just stopped taking some

> > > tamoxifen which

> > > > > has got rid of the tenderness, but there is still

> > > a small

> > > > > lump there. The gyno started about 2 years ago

> > > after I took

> > > > > a bodybuilding supplement called Superdrol.

> > > Bought it off

> > > > > the internet and didn't realise it would actually

> > > shut down

> > > > > my natural testosterone production.

> > > > >

> > > > > Would taking nettle extract help lower SHBG and

> > > free up

> > > > > some of y testosterone?

> > > > >

> > > > > Any advise would be appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

,

One thing at a time how much HC are you one right now I do 30 mgs / day 10 mgs

at 5am then 5 mgs for breakfist, lunch, dinner and bedtime.

What are you going to take to replace your Thyoird Hormones. Coming off T3 only

in time will bring down your SHBG as long as your keep your Estradiol levels

down to about 20.

I don't do NTH meds of thyroid anymore I take 150 mcs of Generic Synthroid and 5

mcgs of T3 3x's /day.

I feel fine with my FT3 in the mid range and my Free T4 is like 1.1. I still

have a high RT3 but it's due to my having Heart Bypass Surgery 27 months ago and

now I am in a lot of pain from being on Stain Drugs they lowered my CoQ10 levels

and did damage to my joints and muscles. I can't stand up or walk without a

walker my pain is in my lower back, Hips and upper legs. This I am told will

recover but it can take a yr. or longer. The pain is making my RT3 high. But I

feel fine with it no problems with bad feelings on Thyroid.

How do you take your temps when was doing this I use this link and printed out a

chart so I could keep track of my Temps Avg.

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

I don't use a digital Temp gage they are not good for doing this.

I start taking my temp after I am up 3 hrs the every 3 hrs 3x's a day I then add

them up and div. by 3 this is my avg.

How did Val. say to come off the T3 fast or slow.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: john.betchley@... <john.betchley@...>

> Subject: Re: High SHBG on T3

>

> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 5:45 PM

>

>

> I just spoke to Val, basically my Reverse T3 was high due

> to low cortisol, which was confirmed by saliva test. I have

> been taking Hydrocortisone for the last 5 months.

>

> Because my T4 levels were actually quite high before taking

> T3, I may be able to slowly wean off the T3 hopefully

> because the Rt3 has gone my adrenals will recover. I will

> need to monitor my temperature and make sure i'm not

> converting T4 to RT3 again.

>

> My question is do you think my SHBG will come down once I

> come off the T3? And when I tested cortisol my DHEA was also

> low would it be worth adding in some DHEA?

>

> Thanks Again

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: john.betchley@

> > > <john.betchley@>

> > > > > Subject: High SHBG on

> T3

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:05

> PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm new here, been taking T3 only for

> 12 weeks to

> > > bring

> > > > > reverse T3 down.

> > > > > My symptoms are low mood, anxiety,low

> libido.

> > > > >

> > > > > Had some test done by my doctor and my

> SHBG has

> > > come back

> > > > > very high

> > > > >

> > > > > Total Test - 23 (10-30)

> > > > >

> > > > > SHBG - 81 (not sure of the units or ref

> range but

> > > was told

> > > > > this was high)

> > > > >

> > > > > I know that T3 raises SHBG,is that

> dose

> > > dependant, i.e

> > > > > higher T3 dose the higher the SHBG

> goes.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have had some gyno, small lump in my

> nipple

> > > which keeps

> > > > > coming back.I have just stopped taking

> some

> > > tamoxifen which

> > > > > has got rid of the tenderness, but

> there is still

> > > a small

> > > > > lump there. The gyno started about 2

> years ago

> > > after I took

> > > > > a bodybuilding supplement called

> Superdrol.

> > > Bought it off

> > > > > the internet and didn't realise it

> would actually

> > > shut down

> > > > > my natural testosterone production.

> > > > >

> > > > > Would taking nettle extract help lower

> SHBG and

> > > free up

> > > > > some of y testosterone?

> > > > >

> > > > > Any advise would be appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I'm on 40mg HC at the moment 10,10,7.5,7.5,5

Here are my last cortisol results:

cortisol ref. limits - nmol/L

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8am - 8.8 (12-22)

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noon - 1.4 (5.0-9.0)

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5pm - 0.8 (3.0-7.0)

> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prior to sleep - 0.5 (1.0-3.0)

I have also been charting temps on the Dr rind chart.

taking temps at 11am,2pm and 5pm then marking down the average.

I also had low Iron and D3 which I have been supplementing.

Val said I could try lowering my T3 by 12.5mcg per week and keep an eye on temps

and symptoms. I am now on 87.5mcg since yesterday

My real problem now as I see it will be getting my TSH level back up as last

week it was 0.1 (0.4-4.0) Before T3 it was 1.14

Looking at iodine or Guggul Resin Extract but really got myself into a bit of a

mess and out of my depth here!

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: john.betchley@

> > > > <john.betchley@>

> > > > > > Subject: High SHBG on

> > T3

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, February 11, 2011, 6:05

> > PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I'm new here, been taking T3 only for

> > 12 weeks to

> > > > bring

> > > > > > reverse T3 down.

> > > > > > My symptoms are low mood, anxiety,low

> > libido.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Had some test done by my doctor and my

> > SHBG has

> > > > come back

> > > > > > very high

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total Test - 23 (10-30)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SHBG - 81 (not sure of the units or ref

> > range but

> > > > was told

> > > > > > this was high)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know that T3 raises SHBG,is that

> > dose

> > > > dependant, i.e

> > > > > > higher T3 dose the higher the SHBG

> > goes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have had some gyno, small lump in my

> > nipple

> > > > which keeps

> > > > > > coming back.I have just stopped taking

> > some

> > > > tamoxifen which

> > > > > > has got rid of the tenderness, but

> > there is still

> > > > a small

> > > > > > lump there. The gyno started about 2

> > years ago

> > > > after I took

> > > > > > a bodybuilding supplement called

> > Superdrol.

> > > > Bought it off

> > > > > > the internet and didn't realise it

> > would actually

> > > > shut down

> > > > > > my natural testosterone production.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would taking nettle extract help lower

> > SHBG and

> > > > free up

> > > > > > some of y testosterone?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any advise would be appreciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Many Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Well do you feel better getting your RT3 down. Most that I talk to don't.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: john.betchley@... <john.betchley@...>

> Subject: Re: High SHBG on T3

>

> Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 2:59 PM

>

> Phil,

>

> I'm on 40mg HC at the moment 10,10,7.5,7.5,5

>

> Here are my last cortisol results:

>

> cortisol ref. limits - nmol/L

> > > > > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> 8am - 8.8 (12-22)

> > > > > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> noon - 1.4 (5.0-9.0)

> > > > > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> 5pm - 0.8 (3.0-7.0)

> > > > > > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> prior to sleep - 0.5 (1.0-3.0)

>

> I have also been charting temps on the Dr rind chart.

> taking temps at 11am,2pm and 5pm then marking down the

> average.

>

> I also had low Iron and D3 which I have been

> supplementing.

>

> Val said I could try lowering my T3 by 12.5mcg per week and

> keep an eye on temps and symptoms. I am now on 87.5mcg since

> yesterday

> My real problem now as I see it will be getting my TSH

> level back up as last week it was 0.1 (0.4-4.0) Before T3 it

> was 1.14

>

> Looking at iodine or Guggul Resin Extract but really got

> myself into a bit of a mess and out of my depth here!

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: john.betchley@

> > > > > <john.betchley@>

> > > > > > > Subject: High

> SHBG on

> > > T3

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Friday, February 11,

> 2011, 6:05

> > > PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I'm new here, been taking T3

> only for

> > > 12 weeks to

> > > > > bring

> > > > > > > reverse T3 down.

> > > > > > > My symptoms are low mood,

> anxiety,low

> > > libido.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Had some test done by my

> doctor and my

> > > SHBG has

> > > > > come back

> > > > > > > very high

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Total Test - 23 (10-30)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SHBG - 81 (not sure of the

> units or ref

> > > range but

> > > > > was told

> > > > > > > this was high)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know that T3 raises SHBG,is

> that

> > > dose

> > > > > dependant, i.e

> > > > > > > higher T3 dose the higher the

> SHBG

> > > goes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have had some gyno, small

> lump in my

> > > nipple

> > > > > which keeps

> > > > > > > coming back.I have just

> stopped taking

> > > some

> > > > > tamoxifen which

> > > > > > > has got rid of the

> tenderness, but

> > > there is still

> > > > > a small

> > > > > > > lump there. The gyno started

> about 2

> > > years ago

> > > > > after I took

> > > > > > > a bodybuilding supplement

> called

> > > Superdrol.

> > > > > Bought it off

> > > > > > > the internet and didn't

> realise it

> > > would actually

> > > > > shut down

> > > > > > > my natural testosterone

> production.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Would taking nettle extract

> help lower

> > > SHBG and

> > > > > free up

> > > > > > > some of y testosterone?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any advise would be

> appreciated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Many Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi .

Your plan sounds good to monitor adrenal and thyroid symptoms/signs whilst

seeing if you can lower doses.

I wanted to warn that guggul can cause an itchy reaction. My mother took

some and it made her flush like niacin, but she hadn't taken niacin.

Yes, it's dependant on how much of any thyroid hormone med you take. Too

much of anything will drive SHBG too high in a lot of people.

This was my problem. In order to get temps up and to not have such severe

hypo symptoms I was taking tons of T3 (or T3/desiccated combo). This drove

SHBG super high and caused problems there. Fortunately as I got my iron

levels up, I responded so much better to thyroid hormones and was able to

drop T3 and natural thyroid doses significantly. My SHBG level is now in the

lab range, but at the very top, unfortunately along with my FT3 now within

lab range and at the top.

I still have the higher SHBG to deal with and I do take nettle root drops to

knock the hormones off of SHBG. I'm not aware of nettle root actually

lowering serum SHBG level, but just occupying binding spots in place of what

would otherwise be your sex hormones.

You never know what's making you resistant and driving up RT3 production. If

you can figure out what's causing it, it's good to go that way.

Consider testing estradiol, . Too much will drive up SHBG, lower

testosterone production and possibly drive up reverse T3 production.

Oral or sublingual DHEA can easily end up producing too much estradiol.

Definitely try it with caution if you do. The topical DHEA is less likely to

do this, fortunately.

I don't understand, you have one lump in one breast?

-Nigel

[Guest guest]

To be honest I don't really feel any different at the moment but that could be

due to so many things. My iron, low test, RT3 not yet fully cleared from the

receptors etc etc.

Also been on an anti candid diet, no sugar, white bread etc as apparently this

can be a cause of Rt3 issues too.

Thanks Nigel I am going to look into estradiol and get some more tests done.

>

> Hi .

>

> Your plan sounds good to monitor adrenal and thyroid symptoms/signs whilst

> seeing if you can lower doses.

>

> I wanted to warn that guggul can cause an itchy reaction. My mother took

> some and it made her flush like niacin, but she hadn't taken niacin.

>

> Yes, it's dependant on how much of any thyroid hormone med you take. Too

> much of anything will drive SHBG too high in a lot of people.

>

> This was my problem. In order to get temps up and to not have such severe

> hypo symptoms I was taking tons of T3 (or T3/desiccated combo). This drove

> SHBG super high and caused problems there. Fortunately as I got my iron

> levels up, I responded so much better to thyroid hormones and was able to

> drop T3 and natural thyroid doses significantly. My SHBG level is now in the

> lab range, but at the very top, unfortunately along with my FT3 now within

> lab range and at the top.

>

> I still have the higher SHBG to deal with and I do take nettle root drops to

> knock the hormones off of SHBG. I'm not aware of nettle root actually

> lowering serum SHBG level, but just occupying binding spots in place of what

> would otherwise be your sex hormones.

>

> You never know what's making you resistant and driving up RT3 production. If

> you can figure out what's causing it, it's good to go that way.

>

> Consider testing estradiol, . Too much will drive up SHBG, lower

> testosterone production and possibly drive up reverse T3 production.

>

> Oral or sublingual DHEA can easily end up producing too much estradiol.

> Definitely try it with caution if you do. The topical DHEA is less likely to

> do this, fortunately.

>

> I don't understand, you have one lump in one breast?

>

> -Nigel

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry for off topic, but can positive(80, range <35) TPOab antibodies drive up

RT3 production?

Antanas

>

> This is not always true.

> I stopped my cortef and my rt3 came down to normal and feel alot better. Val

means well but she is on the verge of practicing medicine with out a licensce.

Dealing with rt3, the secret is to find the source of the stress not use more

cortef. Cortef can become incredible psycholggical addicting. I know val means

well but she has landed people into the hospital. Few got in contact with me and

almost commited suicede due to her crazy recommendation. As a medical

professional she is walking that fine line. So take what she saids with a grain

of salt. Untill they see it from clinical standpoint treating rt3 directly can

cause more problems then it is worth and its really just a bandaid effect. The

secret id to isolate the cause and then deal with it at the root problem.

>

[Guest guest]

Reverse T3 is made from T4. So you'd either have to provide the body with

more T4 to drive up RT3 or induce a state that drives the body to convert

more of the T4 that is around to reverse T3 instead of T3. Antibodies are

going to be attacking the thyroid gland. Unless your thyroid levels are

fluctuating due to the autoimmune attacks to the thyroid gland, I don't see

how that would change reverse T3 levels.

-Nigel

On 15 February 2011 05:15, antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...> wrote:

>

>

> Sorry for off topic, but can positive(80, range <35) TPOab antibodies drive

> up RT3 production?

>

> Antanas

>

[Guest guest]

i understand this. But other scenario(indirectly).

I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but always normal TSH, FT4(sometimes

high), despite i had hypothyroid symptoms. When i started to check(myself) FT3 1

year ago, its was always high, but its was due to low cortisol and pooling.

over the time of hormone fluctuation and inflammation my adrenals became

exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body started to create RT3 to protect

myself? Can't be?

Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how much was the biggest dose?

Antanas

>

> >

> >

> > Sorry for off topic, but can positive(80, range <35) TPOab antibodies drive

> > up RT3 production?

> >

> > Antanas

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

RT3 can be high but is it causing a problem most people read about RT3 on the

web and think gee I am high must be my problem. Not true RT3 is a process the

body uses to rid it of to much T4 simple as that and the half life of RT3 is

very low.

People read this link.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

Go off without a Dr. and buy T3 only meds and self treat them self's and end up

worse off then they started.

Most Dr.'s even good ones will not treat RT3 with high huge dose's of T3.

I like this link for RT3 do what they talk about before seeing a Dr. and trying

T3 only meds.

http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/reverse-t3-dominance/

The thing about RT3 is you need to fix why you have it to fix it. Going on T3

only meds is hard on the heart and can mess up your Hormones. And when you get

your RT3 down on T3 only meds and stop the T3 it will only go back up.

Now when I started to treat my low Thyroid I first tested my Cortisol this was

very low so I treated this first when I had my body supported on enough HC meds.

I started on Armour Thyroid meds 45 mgs it took me a good yr. to get leveled off

at 4 grains of Armour / day. I had good levels of FT4 & good upper past min

range levels of FT3 with good levels of RT3.

Then Armour got in trouble with the FDA and it was pulled off the market leaving

Thousands of people with out meds. The other NTH meds could not keep up with

the demand and they ran out.

Today I will not use NTH meds to hel* with them I am not going through a yr.

getting leveled off only to have the rug pulled out from me again.

Today I do Generic Synthroid 150 mcg.s and I take 5 mcgs of T3 only 3 x's a day.

Doing this I feel great and my TSH is not below the labs range 2 so I am still

making some of all the T's the body needs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: High SHBG on T3

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 2:16 AM

>

>

> i understand this. But other scenario(indirectly).

>

> I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but always

> normal TSH, FT4(sometimes high), despite i had hypothyroid

> symptoms. When i started to check(myself) FT3 1 year ago,

> its was always high, but its was due to low cortisol and

> pooling.

>

> over the time of hormone fluctuation and inflammation my

> adrenals became exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body

> started to create RT3 to protect myself? Can't be?

>

> Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how much was

> the biggest dose?

>

> Antanas

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry for off topic, but can positive(80, range

> <35) TPOab antibodies drive

> > > up RT3 production?

> > >

> > > Antanas

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Its great Phil, that you found your optimal thyroid combination.

Hope, one day i will reach the same.

I have low cortisol & low thyroid(due to Hashimoto), and i am on 30HC with

stable 3x temp as long i work part-time and avoid big stress(physical and

psychical).It helps me a lot, but my fatigue & constant headaches are still as

worse as it was. My basal temp 36.1, which shows i am still hypo.

After 2 months on HC, i started 30mg ERFA, but couldn't even handle such a small

dose. I tried one more time again, starting from 15mg, but again on 30mg its big

crash. My iron(checked full iron panel) is perfect, i am on HC. Why i can't

handle NTH and still hypo....

Peatfield say, because i was very long hypoT, my receptors are sluggish and i

need to start slowly T3 to wake up them.

Dr.Peatfield recommended to start T3 only, even he don't believe at RT3. He says

its perfectly normal to stay on T3 only as long as you find the right dose and

do not become hyperT. Later, he say is possible to try to switch again to T4/T3,

as being normal(not hypoT) could fix your body and you can handle T4/T3.

I am on 50 T3, without any hyperT symptoms and most important any intolerance

effect. We will see what will happen after next increase.

I have never tested RT3, because in my country we don't have such test and i

don't want to spend my last money on it. On other hand it does not change my

treatment anyway. I can't tolerate any T4 at the moment.

I don't agree Phil that T3 only mess hormones and harm to your heart.

HyperT is hard for your heart, but not T3. How can T3 mess you hormones?

Peatfield, Skinner, Lowe and even Hertoghe say its possible to stay on T3 only,

but its just not the first option of choose.

I think with T3 its just more difficult to adjust the right dose(Hertoghe say in

his book).

Antanas

>

> RT3 can be high but is it causing a problem most people read about RT3 on the

web and think gee I am high must be my problem. Not true RT3 is a process the

body uses to rid it of to much T4 simple as that and the half life of RT3 is

very low.

>

> People read this link.

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/

> Go off without a Dr. and buy T3 only meds and self treat them self's and end

up worse off then they started.

>

> Most Dr.'s even good ones will not treat RT3 with high huge dose's of T3.

>

> I like this link for RT3 do what they talk about before seeing a Dr. and

trying T3 only meds.

> http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/reverse-t3-dominance/

>

> The thing about RT3 is you need to fix why you have it to fix it. Going on T3

only meds is hard on the heart and can mess up your Hormones. And when you get

your RT3 down on T3 only meds and stop the T3 it will only go back up.

>

> Now when I started to treat my low Thyroid I first tested my Cortisol this was

very low so I treated this first when I had my body supported on enough HC meds.

I started on Armour Thyroid meds 45 mgs it took me a good yr. to get leveled off

at 4 grains of Armour / day. I had good levels of FT4 & good upper past min

range levels of FT3 with good levels of RT3.

>

> Then Armour got in trouble with the FDA and it was pulled off the market

leaving Thousands of people with out meds. The other NTH meds could not keep up

with the demand and they ran out.

>

> Today I will not use NTH meds to hel* with them I am not going through a yr.

getting leveled off only to have the rug pulled out from me again.

>

> Today I do Generic Synthroid 150 mcg.s and I take 5 mcgs of T3 only 3 x's a

day. Doing this I feel great and my TSH is not below the labs range 2 so I am

still making some of all the T's the body needs.

>

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Some times I don't get my point across I am not saying T3 only is bad for the

heart or even hormones it the huge dose's people go on that cause this problem

they are hyper and don't even know it.

My wife can't even take 5 mcgs of T3 per day but she does not feel good off it.

She dose 90 mcgs of Generic Synthyroid and 1/4 of a 5 mcg pill of T3 she also

has Hashimoto's and as long as her Anti's are not on the attack she dose good on

this dose.

If you can't do Erfa try T4 only start out with a very low dose see how you do.

You need to start some where to get your body working again and T4 only you can

start very low.

I had Heart Bypass surgery and had a very hard time getting my Heart Dr.'s to

let me do T3 only meds.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: High SHBG on T3

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 12:02 PM

>

>

> Its great Phil, that you found your optimal thyroid

> combination.

> Hope, one day i will reach the same.

>

> I have low cortisol & low thyroid(due to Hashimoto),

> and i am on 30HC with stable 3x temp as long i work

> part-time and avoid big stress(physical and psychical).It

> helps me a lot, but my fatigue & constant headaches are

> still as worse as it was. My basal temp 36.1, which shows i

> am still hypo.

>

> After 2 months on HC, i started 30mg ERFA, but couldn't

> even handle such a small dose. I tried one more time again,

> starting from 15mg, but again on 30mg its big crash. My

> iron(checked full iron panel) is perfect, i am on HC. Why i

> can't handle NTH and still hypo....

>

> Peatfield say, because i was very long hypoT, my receptors

> are sluggish and i need to start slowly T3 to wake up them.

>

> Dr.Peatfield recommended to start T3 only, even he don't

> believe at RT3. He says its perfectly normal to stay on T3

> only as long as you find the right dose and do not become

> hyperT. Later, he say is possible to try to switch again to

> T4/T3, as being normal(not hypoT) could fix your body and

> you can handle T4/T3.

>

> I am on 50 T3, without any hyperT symptoms and most

> important any intolerance effect. We will see what will

> happen after next increase.

>

> I have never tested RT3, because in my country we don't

> have such test and i don't want to spend my last money on

> it. On other hand it does not change my treatment anyway. I

> can't tolerate any T4 at the moment.

>

> I don't agree Phil that T3 only mess hormones and harm to

> your heart.

> HyperT is hard for your heart, but not T3. How can T3 mess

> you hormones?

>

> Peatfield, Skinner, Lowe and even Hertoghe say its possible

> to stay on T3 only, but its just not the first option of

> choose.

>

> I think with T3 its just more difficult to adjust the right

> dose(Hertoghe say in his book).

>

> Antanas

>

> >

> > RT3 can be high but is it causing a problem most

> people read about RT3 on the web and think gee I am high

> must be my problem.  Not true RT3 is a process the body

> uses to rid it of to much T4 simple as that and the half

> life of RT3 is very low.

> >

> > People read this link.

> > http://thyroid-rt3.com/

> > Go off without a Dr. and buy T3 only meds and self

> treat them self's and end up worse off then they started.

> >

> > Most Dr.'s even good ones will not treat RT3 with high

> huge dose's of T3.

> >

> > I like this link for RT3 do what they talk about

> before seeing a Dr. and trying T3 only meds.

> > http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/reverse-t3-dominance/

> >

> > The thing about RT3 is you need to fix why you have it

> to fix it.  Going on T3 only meds is hard on the heart

> and can mess up your Hormones.  And when you get your

> RT3 down on T3 only meds and stop the T3 it will only go

> back up.

> >

> > Now when I started to treat my low Thyroid I first

> tested my Cortisol this was very low so I treated this first

> when I had my body supported on enough HC meds.  I

> started on Armour Thyroid meds 45 mgs it took me a good yr.

> to get leveled off at 4 grains of Armour / day.  I had

> good levels of FT4 & good upper past min range levels of

> FT3 with good levels of RT3.

> >

> > Then Armour got in trouble with the FDA and it was

> pulled off the market leaving Thousands of people with out

> meds.  The other NTH meds could not keep up with the

> demand and they ran out.

> >

> > Today I will not use NTH meds to hel* with them I am

> not going through a yr. getting leveled off only to have the

> rug pulled out from me again.

> >

> > Today I do Generic Synthroid 150 mcg.s and I take 5

> mcgs of T3 only 3 x's a day.  Doing this I feel great

> and my TSH is not below the labs range 2 so I am still

> making some of all the T's the body needs.

> >

> >

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I thought about T4, but then decided T3, because my FT4 is very high.

Erfa is the same T4, just with a bit of T3.

On other hand, blood testing is only small puzzle. Some doctor say that blood is

not reliable for thyroid.

E.g. " Langer " (Solved: the riddle of ilness, book author) says that blood

shows only severe hypothyroidism.

I would like to do 24 urine for thyroid, but again we don't have lab who do this

and i don't want to spend any more money on testing.

Next week i will do TT, E2, SHBG because i have never done these tests before,

except TT.

Antanas

>

> Some times I don't get my point across I am not saying T3 only is bad for the

heart or even hormones it the huge dose's people go on that cause this problem

they are hyper and don't even know it.

>

> My wife can't even take 5 mcgs of T3 per day but she does not feel good off

it. She dose 90 mcgs of Generic Synthyroid and 1/4 of a 5 mcg pill of T3 she

also has Hashimoto's and as long as her Anti's are not on the attack she dose

good on this dose.

>

> If you can't do Erfa try T4 only start out with a very low dose see how you

do. You need to start some where to get your body working again and T4 only you

can start very low.

>

> I had Heart Bypass surgery and had a very hard time getting my Heart Dr.'s to

let me do T3 only meds.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

OK but do this test your total T4 and T3 levels if they are low Free's don't

mean much on Thyroid levels.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: High SHBG on T3

>

> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 2:24 PM

> I thought about T4, but then decided

> T3, because my FT4 is very high.

> Erfa is the same T4, just with a bit of T3.

>

> On other hand, blood testing is only small puzzle. Some

> doctor say that blood is not reliable for thyroid.

>

> E.g. " Langer " (Solved: the riddle of ilness, book

> author) says that blood shows only severe hypothyroidism.

>

> I would like to do 24 urine for thyroid, but again we don't

> have lab who do this and i don't want to spend any more

> money on testing.

>

> Next week i will do TT, E2, SHBG because i have never done

> these tests before, except TT.

>

> Antanas

>

>

> >

> > Some times I don't get my point across I am not saying

> T3 only is bad for the heart or even hormones it the huge

> dose's people go on that cause this problem they are hyper

> and don't even know it.

> >

> > My wife can't even take 5 mcgs of T3 per day but she

> does not feel good off it.  She dose 90 mcgs of Generic

> Synthyroid and 1/4 of a 5 mcg pill of T3 she also has

> Hashimoto's and as long as her Anti's are not on the attack

> she dose good on this dose.

> >

> > If you can't do Erfa try T4 only start out with a very

> low dose see how you do.  You need to start some where

> to get your body working again and T4 only you can start

> very low.

> >

> > I had Heart Bypass surgery and had a very hard time

> getting my Heart Dr.'s to let me do T3 only meds.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Reverse T3 is always around if you have T4 in your body. But if your body is

trying to block thyroid metabolism it will increase the amount of RT3.

You still have to look at your symptoms outside of more thyroid testing.

According to you, a small dose of natural thyroid caused a reaction, but T3

doesn't. Finding out why would be a good thing.

When my iron was low T4 would make me feel jittery and strange at relatively

low doses and T3 didn't do almost anything. Yes, my heart rate went up a lot

higher, but it didn't make me feel more energetic and it also screwed up my

sex hormones as I was on too much (up to 300 mcg).

I'm on 3 grains Nature-Throid and 25 mcg T3 now. This is the most natural

thyroid that I've ever been able to tolerate for the longest time. This

works for me now that I've got my iron up. I don't just look at my ferritin,

but also TIBC/UIBC as when those are middle of range or higher I feel low

iron AND start to feel intolerant of the Nature-Throid. What were your iron

levels, with ranges?

-Nigel

On 16 February 2011 01:16, antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...> wrote:

>

>

> i understand this. But other scenario(indirectly).

>

> I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but always normal TSH,

> FT4(sometimes high), despite i had hypothyroid symptoms. When i started to

> check(myself) FT3 1 year ago, its was always high, but its was due to low

> cortisol and pooling.

>

> over the time of hormone fluctuation and inflammation my adrenals became

> exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body started to create RT3 to protect

> myself? Can't be?

>

> Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how much was the biggest dose?

>

> Antanas

>

[Guest guest]

I think the point, and correct me if I'm wrong here) is to get on the T3 so

that you can start to feel good again and once you are on this, begin

investigating why you made so much RT3. Once you figure it out, correct it

then switch to NTH. Does this sound right?

Mike

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Nigel <nachonigel@...> wrote:

>

>

> Reverse T3 is always around if you have T4 in your body. But if your body

> is

> trying to block thyroid metabolism it will increase the amount of RT3.

>

> You still have to look at your symptoms outside of more thyroid testing.

> According to you, a small dose of natural thyroid caused a reaction, but T3

> doesn't. Finding out why would be a good thing.

>

> When my iron was low T4 would make me feel jittery and strange at

> relatively

> low doses and T3 didn't do almost anything. Yes, my heart rate went up a

> lot

> higher, but it didn't make me feel more energetic and it also screwed up my

> sex hormones as I was on too much (up to 300 mcg).

>

> I'm on 3 grains Nature-Throid and 25 mcg T3 now. This is the most natural

> thyroid that I've ever been able to tolerate for the longest time. This

> works for me now that I've got my iron up. I don't just look at my

> ferritin,

> but also TIBC/UIBC as when those are middle of range or higher I feel low

> iron AND start to feel intolerant of the Nature-Throid. What were your iron

> levels, with ranges?

>

> -Nigel

>

>

> On 16 February 2011 01:16, antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > i understand this. But other scenario(indirectly).

> >

> > I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but always normal TSH,

> > FT4(sometimes high), despite i had hypothyroid symptoms. When i started

> to

> > check(myself) FT3 1 year ago, its was always high, but its was due to low

> > cortisol and pooling.

> >

> > over the time of hormone fluctuation and inflammation my adrenals became

> > exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body started to create RT3 to protect

> > myself? Can't be?

> >

> > Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how much was the biggest

> dose?

> >

> > Antanas

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

originally (umol/l)

Fe 20,5 9,5-29,9

TBIC 53,5 44,8-80,6

UBIC 33 19,0-66,2

Saturation 38,3%

Ferritin 117,2 30-400

or converted to ug/dl

Fe 114,53 53,07-167,04

TBIC 298,88 250,28-450,28

UIBC 184,36 106,15-369,83

Saturation 38,32%

Ferritin 117,2 30-400

I have never heard that someone took 300 T3

What would be happen,Nigel, if you would restore you Iron and

still be on T3 only?

Antanas

>

> >

> >

> > i understand this. But other scenario(indirectly).

> >

> > I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but always normal TSH,

> > FT4(sometimes high), despite i had hypothyroid symptoms. When i started to

> > check(myself) FT3 1 year ago, its was always high, but its was due to low

> > cortisol and pooling.

> >

> > over the time of hormone fluctuation and inflammation my adrenals became

> > exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body started to create RT3 to protect

> > myself? Can't be?

> >

> > Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how much was the biggest dose?

> >

> > Antanas

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Like Nigel,

I did not start to do better on my Thyroid meds until I tested my Ferritin and

Iron levels and found my Ferritin was below the bottom of the range.

It took me a long time to get my Iron levels up first we had to do testing to

see if I was bleeding some where or why my Iron levels were low.

Here is what I have tested every 8 weeks.

=====================================

TSH

Free T4

Free T3

Total T3

Total T4

RT3

Total Iron

Iron Binding Capacity

Iron % Saturation

Ferritin

B-12

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

> >

> > i understand this. But other scenario(indirectly).

> >

> > I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but always

> normal TSH,

> > FT4(sometimes high), despite i had hypothyroid

> symptoms. When i started to

> > check(myself) FT3 1 year ago, its was always high, but

> its was due to low

> > cortisol and pooling.

> >

> > over the time of hormone fluctuation and inflammation

> my adrenals became

> > exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body started to

> create RT3 to protect

> > myself? Can't be?

> >

> > Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how much

> was the biggest dose?

> >

> > Antanas

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No not to me if you read this link it talks about things you need to do to fix

RT3 that would be the first thing. T3 only meds most of us need them but not in

them high dose's people are told to use to lower RT3.

http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/reverse-t3-dominance/

If you try this with out a Dr. your nuts.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > i understand this. But other

> scenario(indirectly).

> > >

> > > I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but

> always normal TSH,

> > > FT4(sometimes high), despite i had hypothyroid

> symptoms. When i started

> > to

> > > check(myself) FT3 1 year ago, its was always

> high, but its was due to low

> > > cortisol and pooling.

> > >

> > > over the time of hormone fluctuation and

> inflammation my adrenals became

> > > exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body started

> to create RT3 to protect

> > > myself? Can't be?

> > >

> > > Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how

> much was the biggest

> > dose?

> > >

> > > Antanas

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

How much T3 are you on if you are on it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: antanas_aradas <antanas_aradas@...>

> Subject: Re: High SHBG on T3

>

> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 1:32 AM

> originally (umol/l)

>

> Fe    20,5    9,5-29,9

> TBIC    53,5    44,8-80,6

> UBIC    33    19,0-66,2

> Saturation    38,3%

> Ferritin    117,2    30-400

>

> or converted to ug/dl

>

> Fe      114,53   

> 53,07-167,04

> TBIC    298,88    250,28-450,28

> UIBC    184,36    106,15-369,83

> Saturation 38,32%

> Ferritin    117,2    30-400

>

> I have never heard that someone took 300 T3

> What would be happen,Nigel, if you would restore you Iron

> and

> still be on T3 only?

>

> Antanas       

>

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > i understand this. But other

> scenario(indirectly).

> > >

> > > I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but

> always normal TSH,

> > > FT4(sometimes high), despite i had hypothyroid

> symptoms. When i started to

> > > check(myself) FT3 1 year ago, its was always

> high, but its was due to low

> > > cortisol and pooling.

> > >

> > > over the time of hormone fluctuation and

> inflammation my adrenals became

> > > exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body started

> to create RT3 to protect

> > > myself? Can't be?

> > >

> > > Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how

> much was the biggest dose?

> > >

> > > Antanas

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You would have to fix some things to even get on T3 (such as low Iron,

adrenal fatigue, etc.) but there may be other factors that are contributing

to RT3 production that may need to be addressed once you are on a

physiologic dose of T3.

Also, I spoke to Dr. Lowe about T3 and he said a couple of interesting

things. First, he said that we don't need T4 at all because it is a

pro-hormone. Meaning, it is not a biologically active hormone but a

precurser to T3, so taking T4 is not necessary because it just gets

converted to T3 in your body. Second, he said that everyone is unique when

it comes to what types of Thyroid hormone they should be on. Some do well

on just plain T4 (although this comprises a small minority), some do well on

T4/T3 and some do well on T3 only. He himself has taken T3 for over 20

years and he has never had any complications. When it comes to T3 causing

problems with the heart, he said that usually the person who can't tolerate

just T3 only has a pre-existing heart condition that is just exacerbated by

T3 and not caused by T3 only. He said that you have to either address the

heart problem if possible before going on T3, or go with something less

aggressive like T4 or T4/T3 combo. Third, he said that the established

physiological range for T3 is 75 mcg - 125 mcg. So, for example, taking 100

mcg of T3 for someone with a healthy heart should be no problem at all.

I'm not sure if I agree or disagree with him but I will say that he has been

in the trenches with himself being hypothyroid and with the clinical

research he has done over the past 20 years.

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 7:23 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

>

>

> No not to me if you read this link it talks about things you need to do to

> fix RT3 that would be the first thing. T3 only meds most of us need them but

> not in them high dose's people are told to use to lower RT3.

> http://www.custommedicine.com.au/health-articles/reverse-t3-dominance/

> If you try this with out a Dr. your nuts.

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > i understand this. But other

> > scenario(indirectly).

> > > >

> > > > I have long undiagnosed hashimoto(6 years), but

> > always normal TSH,

> > > > FT4(sometimes high), despite i had hypothyroid

> > symptoms. When i started

> > > to

> > > > check(myself) FT3 1 year ago, its was always

> > high, but its was due to low

> > > > cortisol and pooling.

> > > >

> > > > over the time of hormone fluctuation and

> > inflammation my adrenals became

> > > > exhausted(saliva confirm it) and my body started

> > to create RT3 to protect

> > > > myself? Can't be?

> > > >

> > > > Nigel, how much thyroid do you take now and how

> > much was the biggest

> > > dose?

> > > >

> > > > Antanas

> > > >

> > >

> > >