Secondary Hypo Injections Test., HCG, and DHEA PLAN???

[Guest guest]

Yes Sir: They recommend 50 mg once daily. I will ask them if I can cut

the pill in half and do 25 2xs daily. Be advised that i am also taking the

DIM that you recommend.

What is the benefit to doing the 25 mgs 2 xs daily as opposed to 50 mgs

one time per day???????

In a message dated 3/3/2010 9:58:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

Yes but one change don't do 50 mgs of DHEA all at once do 25 mgs 2x's a

day. You can do the shots into your thigh using a small 27g 1ml x 1/2 lg.

needle shooting into your thigh. The oil comes out of the vial slow so I just

pull the plunger all the way down and hold it takes about a min. to get my

dose.

_http://spotinjectiohttp://spotinjhtt_

(http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm)

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Phil

> From: _gviceman77@..._ (mailto:gviceman77@...)

<_gviceman77@..._ (mailto:gviceman77@...) >

> Subject: Injections Test., HCG, and DHEA PLAN???

> _ @hypogonadismhyp_

(mailto: )

> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 8:06 PM

> I am diagnosed with Adult Hormone

> Deficiency Syndrome.

>

>

> What do the members think about this treatment

> plan????

>

> The plan:

>

> 1) Inject 100 mg (.5 cc) of testosterone

> Enanthate intramuscular every 7

> days.

>

> 2) HCG 500 IU on the 5th day and 6th day (mixed

> with Bacteriostatic

> solution).

>

> 3) Take 50 mg of DHEA every morning.

>

> 4) Chromium 400 mcg daily.

>

> 5) Phosphatidyl Serine to prevent cortisol

> spikes and promotes sleep.

>

> Is this a good plan

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you again for your insight. My DHEA Sulfate level is at 135 (which

according to Quest Diagnostics) is within the 25 to 240 mcg/dL range).

What do you think about the 135 reading? Should I take the DHEA

supplement? Oh these are pharmaceutical quality supplements, so they are

supposed

to be more concentrated than Over the counter (OTC) stuff..

My Estradoil is currently at 25 and estrogen at 128.

I do take the DIM that you reccomend, and they ate the Age mabagement also

advocte the use of DIM.

In a message dated 3/4/2010 10:25:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

DHEA will convert into Estradiol in men do breaking it up into 2x's a day

slows this down. If your DHEA blood labs are in range I say don't take it.

Four months ago my Dr. seen I was not taking it anymore and I told him it

was because my labs came up near the top of the range. He told me everyone

needs DHEA go back on it it can't hurt. Well DHEA has a lot to do with

Adrenals and I treat mine my Pituitary dose not tell my Adrenals to work right.

So in treating them my DHEA levels came up so I stopped taking DHEA

supplements.

So after he told me to go back on it my levels went above the top of the

range. And before I seen this my Estradiol levels were going nuts. I get by

taking .25 mgs of Arimidex every 2 to 3 days.

When my Estradiol levels go up it sets me off into Panic Attacks not that

the high levels cause this but it feels like one so I end up having them.

My next set of labs showed my DHEA to be 3x's above the top of the range and

my DHT went up 2x's above the top of the range with my Estradiol levels

doubling taking .25 mgs of Arimidex everyday.

So my Dr. said I guess I was wrong stop taking it. As this was going on

Hardasnails called me he was having the same problems. And on my last set of

labs my DHEA is back down into the upper mid range and my DHT is back down.

So one needs to be careful taking DHEA in men it will convert into

Estradiol in women it will convert into some Testosterone.

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> > From: __gviceman77@_gvicem_ (mailto:_gviceman77@...) _

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> >

> > Subject: Injections Test., HCG,

> and DHEA PLAN???

> > _ @ _ @

> (mailto:_ @hypogonadismhyp_

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>

> > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 8:06 PM

> > I am diagnosed with Adult Hormone

> > Deficiency Syndrome.

> >

> >

> > What do the members think about this

> treatment

> > plan????

> >

> > The plan:

> >

> > 1) Inject 100 mg (.5 cc) of testosterone

> > Enanthate intramuscular every 7

> > days.

> >

> > 2) HCG 500 IU on the 5th day and 6th

> day (mixed

> > with Bacteriostatic

> > solution).

> >

> > 3) Take 50 mg of DHEA every

> morning.

> >

> > 4) Chromium 400 mcg daily.

> >

> > 5) Phosphatidyl Serine to prevent cortisol

>

> > spikes and promotes sleep.

> >

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[Guest guest]

DHEA will convert into Estradiol in men do breaking it up into 2x's a day slows

this down. If your DHEA blood labs are in range I say don't take it.

Four months ago my Dr. seen I was not taking it anymore and I told him it was

because my labs came up near the top of the range. He told me everyone needs

DHEA go back on it it can't hurt. Well DHEA has a lot to do with Adrenals and I

treat mine my Pituitary dose not tell my Adrenals to work right. So in treating

them my DHEA levels came up so I stopped taking DHEA supplements.

So after he told me to go back on it my levels went above the top of the range.

And before I seen this my Estradiol levels were going nuts. I get by taking .25

mgs of Arimidex every 2 to 3 days.

When my Estradiol levels go up it sets me off into Panic Attacks not that the

high levels cause this but it feels like one so I end up having them. My next

set of labs showed my DHEA to be 3x's above the top of the range and my DHT went

up 2x's above the top of the range with my Estradiol levels doubling taking .25

mgs of Arimidex everyday.

So my Dr. said I guess I was wrong stop taking it. As this was going on

Hardasnails called me he was having the same problems. And on my last set of

labs my DHEA is back down into the upper mid range and my DHT is back down.

So one needs to be careful taking DHEA in men it will convert into Estradiol in

women it will convert into some Testosterone.

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>

> > From: _gviceman77@..._

> (mailto:gviceman77@...) 

>

> <_gviceman77@..._

> (mailto:gviceman77@...)

> >

> >  Subject: Injections Test., HCG,

> and DHEA PLAN???

> > _ @hypogonadismhyp_

> (mailto: )

>

> >  Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 8:06 PM

> > I am diagnosed with Adult  Hormone

> > Deficiency  Syndrome.

> >

> >

> > What do  the members  think about this

> treatment

> > plan????

> > 

> > The plan:

> >

> > 1)  Inject 100 mg (.5 cc) of  testosterone

> > Enanthate intramuscular every 7

> >  days.

> >

> > 2)  HCG 500 IU on the 5th day and 6th

> day   (mixed

> > with Bacteriostatic 

> > solution).

> >

> >  3)  Take 50 mg of DHEA  every

> morning.

> >

> > 4)   Chromium 400 mcg daily.

> >

> > 5)  Phosphatidyl Serine to  prevent cortisol

>

> > spikes and promotes sleep.

> >

> > Is  this a good  plan

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[Guest guest]

Thank you again Phil for your help and insight. Do you still think that

the HCG on day 5 and 6 is ok along with the Testosterone every week.

..

In a message dated 3/4/2010 3:09:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

I never felt better on DHEA yet Dr.'s kept giving to me for my Fatigue. It

never changed a thing for men I can't tell you what to do but I can tell

you if you try it and don't feel it what's the point.

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> > > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 8:06 PM

> > > I am diagnosed with Adult Hormone

> > > Deficiency Syndrome.

> > >

> > >

> > > What do the members think about

> this

> > treatment

> > > plan????

> > >

> > > The plan:

> > >

> > > 1) Inject 100 mg (.5 cc) of

> testosterone

> > > Enanthate intramuscular every 7

> > > days.

> > >

> > > 2) HCG 500 IU on the 5th day and 6th

> > day (mixed

> > > with Bacteriostatic

> > > solution).

> > >

> > > 3) Take 50 mg of DHEA

> every

> > morning.

> > >

> > > 4) Chromium 400 mcg

> daily.

> > >

> > > 5) Phosphatidyl Serine to

> prevent cortisol

> >

> > > spikes and promotes sleep.

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I never felt better on DHEA yet Dr.'s kept giving to me for my Fatigue. It

never changed a thing for men I can't tell you what to do but I can tell you if

you try it and don't feel it what's the point.

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> >

> > > From: __gviceman77@_gvicem_ (mailto:_gviceman77@...)

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> > (mailto:_ @hypogonadismhyp_

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> > 

> > >  Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 8:06 PM

> > > I am  diagnosed with Adult  Hormone

> > > Deficiency   Syndrome.

> > >

> > >

> > > What do  the  members  think about

> this

> > treatment

> > >  plan????

> > > 

> > > The plan:

> > >

> > >  1)  Inject 100 mg (.5 cc) of 

> testosterone

> > > Enanthate  intramuscular every 7

> > >  days.

> > >

> > >  2)  HCG 500 IU on the 5th day and 6th

> >  day   (mixed

> > > with Bacteriostatic 

> >  > solution).

> > >

> > >  3)  Take 50 mg of  DHEA 

> every

> > morning.

> > >

> > >  4)   Chromium 400 mcg

> daily.

> > >

> > >  5)  Phosphatidyl Serine to 

> prevent cortisol

> >

> > >  spikes and promotes sleep.

> > >

> > > Is  this a  good  plan

> > >

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Yes I feel men need to add in HCG doing 250 IU's the 2 days each before there

next T shot. Or on gels do 250 IU's every 3 days. Here is what Dr. told

me to get my Dr. let me try HCG.

====================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

----------------------------------------------------

And this study supports what he says.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

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> > > >  Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 

> 8:06 PM

> > > > I am  diagnosed with

> Adult   Hormone

> > > > Deficiency   Syndrome.

> > >  >

> > > >

> > > > What do 

> the   members  think about

> > this

> > > treatment

> > >  >  plan????

> > > > 

> > > > The  plan:

> > > >

> > > >  1)  Inject 100 mg (.5  cc)

> of

> > testosterone

> > > > Enanthate   intramuscular

> every 7

> > > >  days.

> > > > 

> > > >  2)  HCG 500 IU on the 5th day and

> 6th

> >  >  day   (mixed

> > > > with  Bacteriostatic 

> > >  > solution).

> > > > 

> > > >  3)  Take 50 mg of  DHEA

> >  every

> > > morning.

> > > >

> > >

> >   4)   Chromium 400 mcg

> > daily.

> > > >

> >  > >  5)  Phosphatidyl Serine to

>

> > prevent  cortisol

> > >

> > > >  spikes and promotes  sleep.

> > > >

> > > > Is  this a 

> good   plan

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Actually I'm Secondary Hypo. So the HCG should increase my LH and FSH levels

right???

> Injections Test.,

> > HCG,

> > > and DHEA PLAN???

> > > > _ @ To:

> _ @

> > > (mailto:_hypogonadi (mailto:_hy

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> > >

> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010,

> 8:06 PM

> > > > I am diagnosed with

> Adult Hormone

> > > > Deficiency Syndrome.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What do

> the members think about

> > this

> > > treatment

> > > > plan????

> > > >

> > > > The plan:

> > > >

> > > > 1) Inject 100 mg (.5 cc)

> of

> > testosterone

> > > > Enanthate intramuscular

> every 7

> > > > days.

> > > >

> > > > 2) HCG 500 IU on the 5th day and

> 6th

> > > day (mixed

> > > > with Bacteriostatic

> > > > solution).

> > > >

> > > > 3) Take 50 mg of DHEA

> > every

> > > morning.

> > > >

> > >

> > 4) Chromium 400 mcg

> > daily.

> > > >

> > > > 5) Phosphatidyl Serine to

>

> > prevent cortisol

> > >

> > > > spikes and promotes sleep.

> > > >

> > > > Is this a

> good plan

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I am Secondary too and no HCG acts like LH and FSH but does not increase your

own LH and FSH levels on HCG they will get lower your brain sees this HCG in

your blood and slows this message down but being Secondary your not sending this

LH and FSH message anyway. HCG makes your testis and cells in your body and

brain go to work.

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> > > > >  Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010,

> > 8:06 PM

> > > > > I am  diagnosed with

> > Adult   Hormone

> > > > > Deficiency   Syndrome.

> > > >  >

> > > > >

> > > > > What do

> > the   members  think about

> > > this

> > > > treatment

> > > >  >  plan????

> > > > > 

> > > > > The  plan:

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> > > > >  1)  Inject 100 mg (.5 

> cc)

> > of

> > > testosterone

> > > > >

> Enanthate   intramuscular

> > every 7

> > > > >  days.

> > > > > 

> > > > >  2)  HCG 500 IU on the 5th

> day and

> > 6th

> > >  >  day   (mixed

> > > > > with  Bacteriostatic 

> > > >  > solution).

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> > > > >  3)  Take 50 mg of  DHEA

>

> > >  every

> > > > morning.

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> > >   4)   Chromium 400

> mcg

> > > daily.

> > > > >

> > >  > >  5)  Phosphatidyl

> Serine to

> >

> > > prevent  cortisol

> > > >

> > > > >  spikes and promotes  sleep.

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> > > > > Is  this a

> > good   plan

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