Re: 3 months on TRT. My #'s, body composition

September 10, 2010

This looks great keep it up at my age 66 I am lucky if I can get to the gym 3x's

a week.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> Subject: 3 months on TRT. My #'s, body composition

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:03 PM

> I thought some of you might be

> interested in this. I am a 36 year old, athletic male that

> started TRT 3 months ago. My doc has a machine that does

> body composition analysis's and it's always very

> interesting. I know these machines aren't perfect but this

> seems to be VERY consistent with what I'm looking at in the

> mirror. I train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/MMA on a regular basis

> and the past couple of weeks I have been doing Crossfit 2-3

> times a week. My diet is pretty damn clean overall with some

> cheating/cheat days. I'm going to see if I can format this

> where it's easy to read. I'm pretty decent with workouts and

> nutrition so if I can answer any questions I'll be more than

> happy to. I've said this before....TRT may suck but there is

> also a blessing side of it as well. If you are willing to

> put the work in it can make it easy (with hard work) to make

> some serious body transformations.

>

> 6-17-10

> 8-12-10 9-10-10

> Age: 36

> Height: 6'3 "

> Weight:

> 193.1 lbs

> 201.3 202.2

> Lean Body Mass: 168.2

> lbs 182.1 183.9

> Body Fat Mass: 24.9

> lbs 19.2

> 18.3

>

> Intracellular Water: 77.2 lbs

> 83.6 84.7

> Extracellular Water: 46.1 lbs

> 50.3 50.3

> Total Body Water: 123.2

> lbs 133.8 134.9

>

> Body Fat:

> 12.9%

> 9.5% 9%

>

> Right Arm:

> 9.83 lbs 11.4

> 11.29

> Left Arm:

> 9.97 lbs 11.31

> 11.2

> Trunk:

> 73.1 lbs 80.6

> 80.1

> Right Leg:

> 26.43 lbs 28.42 28.7

> Left Leg:

> 26.48 lbs

> 28.24 28.37

>

> ------------------------------------

>

September 10, 2010

Thanks Phil! 3 x a week is plenty to get in damn good shape! Just work hard in

there, keep your workouts switched up and you will see good results.

>

> > From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> > Subject: 3 months on TRT. My #'s, body composition

> >

> > Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:03 PM

> > I thought some of you might be

> > interested in this. I am a 36 year old, athletic male that

> > started TRT 3 months ago. My doc has a machine that does

> > body composition analysis's and it's always very

> > interesting. I know these machines aren't perfect but this

> > seems to be VERY consistent with what I'm looking at in the

> > mirror. I train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/MMA on a regular basis

> > and the past couple of weeks I have been doing Crossfit 2-3

> > times a week. My diet is pretty damn clean overall with some

> > cheating/cheat days. I'm going to see if I can format this

> > where it's easy to read. I'm pretty decent with workouts and

> > nutrition so if I can answer any questions I'll be more than

> > happy to. I've said this before....TRT may suck but there is

> > also a blessing side of it as well. If you are willing to

> > put the work in it can make it easy (with hard work) to make

> > some serious body transformations.

> >

> > 6-17-10

> > 8-12-10 9-10-10

> > Age: 36

> > Height: 6'3 "

> > Weight:

> > 193.1 lbs

> > 201.3 202.2

> > Lean Body Mass: 168.2

> > lbs 182.1 183.9

> > Body Fat Mass: 24.9

> > lbs 19.2

> > 18.3

> >

> > Intracellular Water: 77.2 lbs

> > 83.6 84.7

> > Extracellular Water: 46.1 lbs

> > 50.3 50.3

> > Total Body Water: 123.2

> > lbs 133.8 134.9

> >

> > Body Fat:

> > 12.9%

> > 9.5% 9%

> >

> > Right Arm:

> > 9.83 lbs 11.4

> > 11.29

> > Left Arm:

> > 9.97 lbs 11.31

> > 11.2

> > Trunk:

> > 73.1 lbs 80.6

> > 80.1

> > Right Leg:

> > 26.43 lbs 28.42 28.7

> > Left Leg:

> > 26.48 lbs

> > 28.24 28.37

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

September 10, 2010

Right now I can't walk I have a lot of pain in my lower back and down my legs. I

am using a walker right now if it is not better by Monday I am seeing a Dr.

again. Last week I seen my Family Hormone Dr. told him this was going on he

told me to go into therapy I told him it dose not work. And that it is

different this time dose not feel like it's my bad disks in my lower back. I

also seen my heart Dr. last week he thinks it's from being on Crestor and told

me to get some COQ10 he said if this dose not get better in 3 weeks call him. I

don't think I can take this for 3 more weeks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> Subject: Re: 3 months on TRT. My #'s, body composition

>

> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 4:27 PM

> Thanks Phil! 3 x a week is plenty to

> get in damn good shape! Just work hard in there, keep your

> workouts switched up and you will see good results.

>

> >

> > > From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> > > Subject: 3 months on TRT. My #'s,

> body composition

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:03 PM

> > > I thought some of you might be

> > > interested in this. I am a 36 year old, athletic

> male that

> > > started TRT 3 months ago. My doc has a machine

> that does

> > > body composition analysis's and it's always very

> > > interesting. I know these machines aren't perfect

> but this

> > > seems to be VERY consistent with what I'm looking

> at in the

> > > mirror. I train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/MMA on a

> regular basis

> > > and the past couple of weeks I have been doing

> Crossfit 2-3

> > > times a week. My diet is pretty damn clean

> overall with some

> > > cheating/cheat days. I'm going to see if I can

> format this

> > > where it's easy to read. I'm pretty decent with

> workouts and

> > > nutrition so if I can answer any questions I'll

> be more than

> > > happy to. I've said this before....TRT may suck

> but there is

> > > also a blessing side of it as well. If you are

> willing to

> > > put the work in it can make it easy (with hard

> work) to make

> > > some serious body transformations.

> > >

> > > 6-17-10

> > > 8-12-10 9-10-10

> > > Age: 36

> > > Height: 6'3 "

> > > Weight:

> > > 193.1 lbs

> > > 201.3 202.2

> > > Lean Body Mass: 168.2

> > > lbs 182.1 183.9

> > > Body Fat Mass: 24.9

> > > lbs 19.2

> > > 18.3

> > >

> > > Intracellular Water: 77.2 lbs

> > > 83.6 84.7

> > > Extracellular Water: 46.1 lbs

> > > 50.3 50.3

> > > Total Body Water: 123.2

> > > lbs 133.8 134.9

> > >

> > > Body Fat:

> > > 12.9%

> > > 9.5% 9%

> > >

> > > Right Arm:

> > > 9.83 lbs 11.4

> > > 11.29

> > > Left Arm:

> > > 9.97 lbs 11.31

> > > 11.2

> > > Trunk:

> > > 73.1 lbs 80.6

> > > 80.1

> > > Right Leg:

> > > 26.43 lbs 28.42 28.7

> > > Left Leg:

> > > 26.48 lbs

> > > 28.24 28.37

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

September 10, 2010

Phil, I just wanted to say I'm sorry you're in so much pain and hope the docs

can figure something out.

Hugs,

Barb

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

> Right now I can't walk I have a lot of pain in my lower back and down my legs.

I am using a walker right now if it is not better by Monday I am seeing a Dr.

again. Last week I seen my Family Hormone Dr. told him this was going on he

told me to go into therapy I told him it dose not work. And that it is

different this time dose not feel like it's my bad disks in my lower back. I

also seen my heart Dr. last week he thinks it's from being on Crestor and told

me to get some COQ10 he said if this dose not get better in 3 weeks call him. I

don't think I can take this for 3 more weeks.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

September 11, 2010

>

> Right now I can't walk I have a lot of pain in my lower back and down my legs.

I am using a walker right now if it is not better by Monday I am seeing a Dr.

again. Last week I seen my Family Hormone Dr. told him this was going on he

told me to go into therapy I told him it dose not work. And that it is

different this time dose not feel like it's my bad disks in my lower back. I

also seen my heart Dr. last week he thinks it's from being on Crestor and told

me to get some COQ10 he said if this dose not get better in 3 weeks call him. I

don't think I can take this for 3 more weeks.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

Phil,

Has the doctor ruled out any kidney problems?

September 11, 2010

Phil, sorry to hear of your pain. I had very similar symptoms after my sustenon

250 injections. I was on crutches and had 3 chiro visits and 1 visit to the doc,

all near enough to useless.

I was in agony after the doc visit and went to see a Bowen Therapist on the same

day who fixed the pain in about 10 minutes. The relief was incredible and almost

unbelievable. Might be worth a try.

Alan

> >

> > Right now I can't walk I have a lot of pain in my lower back and down my

legs. I am using a walker right now if it is not better by Monday I am seeing a

Dr. again. Last week I seen my Family Hormone Dr. told him this was going on he

told me to go into therapy I told him it dose not work. And that it is

different this time dose not feel like it's my bad disks in my lower back. I

also seen my heart Dr. last week he thinks it's from being on Crestor and told

me to get some COQ10 he said if this dose not get better in 3 weeks call him. I

don't think I can take this for 3 more weeks.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

September 11, 2010

Thanks Barb I am not worse but not much better this morning I took a shower

sitting on a potty chair for the handy capped. It's been 5 days I am so bad off

it was all I could do to shower and shave.

I am fine sitting or laying down no pain it's only when I stand up and try to

walk and the more I do this the worse I feel.

I took a pain pill to do the shower this morning but after that I could not fix

my breakfast my wife had to fix it. I am all ways up before her and eat before

she is up.

I can't help but say this is scaring the crap out of me.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > Right now I can't walk I have a lot of pain in my

> lower back and down my legs. I am using a walker right now

> if it is not better by Monday I am seeing a Dr. again.

> Last week I seen my Family Hormone Dr. told him this was

> going on he told me to go into therapy I told him it dose

> not work. And that it is different this time dose not

> feel like it's my bad disks in my lower back. I also

> seen my heart Dr. last week he thinks it's from being on

> Crestor and told me to get some COQ10 he said if this dose

> not get better in 3 weeks call him. I don't think I

> can take this for 3 more weeks.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> ------------------------------------

>

September 11, 2010

I have had kidney infections before the pain is not the same. I don't know what

part of my labs would be for kidney my labs are about 5 to 6 pages long.

I will be calling my Dr. Monday I can't tell if this is my back or from statin

drugs with low COQ10.

I have had problems with my back before the pain was all ways in my lower back

and after I would stand up and walk a little I could then stand up straight.

Now when I stand straight up I get pain down the front of my upper legs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: 3 months on TRT. My #'s, body composition

>

> Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 6:47 AM

>

> >

> > Right now I can't walk I have a lot of pain in my

> lower back and down my legs. I am using a walker right now

> if it is not better by Monday I am seeing a Dr. again.

> Last week I seen my Family Hormone Dr. told him this was

> going on he told me to go into therapy I told him it dose

> not work. And that it is different this time dose not

> feel like it's my bad disks in my lower back. I also

> seen my heart Dr. last week he thinks it's from being on

> Crestor and told me to get some COQ10 he said if this dose

> not get better in 3 weeks call him. I don't think I

> can take this for 3 more weeks.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Phil,

> Has the doctor ruled out any kidney problems?

>

> ------------------------------------

>

September 11, 2010

Thanks Alan,

I checked my state and there are some near me I will be talking to my Dr.

Monday.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: bun_yip_43 <bun_yip_43@...>

> Subject: Re: 3 months on TRT. My #'s, body composition

>

> Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 6:48 AM

> Phil, sorry to hear of your pain. I

> had very similar symptoms after my sustenon 250 injections.

> I was on crutches and had 3 chiro visits and 1 visit to the

> doc, all near enough to useless.

> I was in agony after the doc visit and went to see a Bowen

> Therapist on the same day who fixed the pain in about 10

> minutes. The relief was incredible and almost unbelievable.

> Might be worth a try.

> Alan

>

> > >

> > > Right now I can't walk I have a lot of pain in my

> lower back and down my legs. I am using a walker right now

> if it is not better by Monday I am seeing a Dr. again.

> Last week I seen my Family Hormone Dr. told him this was

> going on he told me to go into therapy I told him it dose

> not work. And that it is different this time dose not

> feel like it's my bad disks in my lower back. I also

> seen my heart Dr. last week he thinks it's from being on

> Crestor and told me to get some COQ10 he said if this dose

> not get better in 3 weeks call him. I don't think I

> can take this for 3 more weeks.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> >

>

> ------------------------------------

>

September 11, 2010

>

> I have had kidney infections before the pain is not the same. I don't know

what part of my labs would be for kidney my labs are about 5 to 6 pages long.

>

> I will be calling my Dr. Monday I can't tell if this is my back or from statin

drugs with low COQ10.

>

> I have had problems with my back before the pain was all ways in my lower back

and after I would stand up and walk a little I could then stand up straight.

>

> Now when I stand straight up I get pain down the front of my upper legs.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

Phil,

Have you ever considered seeing a chiropractor (sorry for the spelling)?

September 11, 2010

My friend seen one once when his back was hurting he made it worse and ended up

in the hosp. in traction. And this guy was he told me one of the best around.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: 3 months on TRT. My #'s, body composition

>

> Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 4:49 PM

>

> >

> > I have had kidney infections before the pain is not

> the same. I don't know what part of my labs would be

> for kidney my labs are about 5 to 6 pages long.

> >

> > I will be calling my Dr. Monday I can't tell if this

> is my back or from statin drugs with low COQ10.

> >

> > I have had problems with my back before the pain was

> all ways in my lower back and after I would stand up and

> walk a little I could then stand up straight.

> >

> > Now when I stand straight up I get pain down the front

> of my upper legs.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Phil,

> Have you ever considered seeing a chiropractor (sorry for

> the spelling)?

>

> ------------------------------------

>

September 13, 2010

Phil I saw your update thread but haven't read it yet. Going to read it in a

second. Man that's terrible and I hope that you are feeling better! Once you get

through this make sure to get on a solid workout regiment to get yourself back

together. Failing is not an option! Best wishes!

> > >

> > > > From: forced2fish <ruca4life@>

> > > > Subject: 3 months on TRT. My #'s,

> > body composition

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:03 PM

> > > > I thought some of you might be

> > > > interested in this. I am a 36 year old, athletic

> > male that

> > > > started TRT 3 months ago. My doc has a machine

> > that does

> > > > body composition analysis's and it's always very

> > > > interesting. I know these machines aren't perfect

> > but this

> > > > seems to be VERY consistent with what I'm looking

> > at in the

> > > > mirror. I train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/MMA on a

> > regular basis

> > > > and the past couple of weeks I have been doing

> > Crossfit 2-3

> > > > times a week. My diet is pretty damn clean

> > overall with some

> > > > cheating/cheat days. I'm going to see if I can

> > format this

> > > > where it's easy to read. I'm pretty decent with

> > workouts and

> > > > nutrition so if I can answer any questions I'll

> > be more than

> > > > happy to. I've said this before....TRT may suck

> > but there is

> > > > also a blessing side of it as well. If you are

> > willing to

> > > > put the work in it can make it easy (with hard

> > work) to make

> > > > some serious body transformations.

> > > >

> > > > 6-17-10

> > > > 8-12-10 9-10-10

> > > > Age: 36

> > > > Height: 6'3 "

> > > > Weight:

> > > > 193.1 lbs

> > > > 201.3 202.2

> > > > Lean Body Mass: 168.2

> > > > lbs 182.1 183.9

> > > > Body Fat Mass: 24.9

> > > > lbs 19.2

> > > > 18.3

> > > >

> > > > Intracellular Water: 77.2 lbs

> > > > 83.6 84.7

> > > > Extracellular Water: 46.1 lbs

> > > > 50.3 50.3

> > > > Total Body Water: 123.2

> > > > lbs 133.8 134.9

> > > >

> > > > Body Fat:

> > > > 12.9%

> > > > 9.5% 9%

> > > >

> > > > Right Arm:

> > > > 9.83 lbs 11.4

> > > > 11.29

> > > > Left Arm:

> > > > 9.97 lbs 11.31

> > > > 11.2

> > > > Trunk:

> > > > 73.1 lbs 80.6

> > > > 80.1

> > > > Right Leg:

> > > > 26.43 lbs 28.42 28.7

> > > > Left Leg:

> > > > 26.48 lbs

> > > > 28.24 28.37

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

September 13, 2010

Thanks forced2fish this is a big wake up call I am a little better and do feel

this is due to statin drugs. Dr.'s told me as long as I get better taking CoQ10

no need to go to the hosp.

I need to get walking, working out and lose some weight.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: forced2fish <ruca4life@...>

> Subject: Re: 3 months on TRT. My #'s, body composition

>

> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 4:48 PM

> Phil I saw your update thread but

> haven't read it yet. Going to read it in a second. Man

> that's terrible and I hope that you are feeling better! Once

> you get through this make sure to get on a solid workout

> regiment to get yourself back together. Failing is not an

> option! Best wishes!

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: forced2fish <ruca4life@>

> > > > > Subject: 3 months on

> TRT. My #'s,

> > > body composition

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 2:03

> PM

> > > > > I thought some of you might be

> > > > > interested in this. I am a 36 year old,

> athletic

> > > male that

> > > > > started TRT 3 months ago. My doc has a

> machine

> > > that does

> > > > > body composition analysis's and it's

> always very

> > > > > interesting. I know these machines

> aren't perfect

> > > but this

> > > > > seems to be VERY consistent with what

> I'm looking

> > > at in the

> > > > > mirror. I train Brazilian Jiu Jitsu/MMA

> on a

> > > regular basis

> > > > > and the past couple of weeks I have

> been doing

> > > Crossfit 2-3

> > > > > times a week. My diet is pretty damn

> clean

> > > overall with some

> > > > > cheating/cheat days. I'm going to see

> if I can

> > > format this

> > > > > where it's easy to read. I'm pretty

> decent with

> > > workouts and

> > > > > nutrition so if I can answer any

> questions I'll

> > > be more than

> > > > > happy to. I've said this before....TRT

> may suck

> > > but there is

> > > > > also a blessing side of it as well. If

> you are

> > > willing to

> > > > > put the work in it can make it easy

> (with hard

> > > work) to make

> > > > > some serious body

> transformations.

> > > > >

> > > > > 6-17-10

> > > > > 8-12-10 9-10-10

> > > > > Age: 36

> > > > > Height: 6'3 "

> > > > > Weight:

> > > > > 193.1 lbs

> > > > > 201.3 202.2

> > > > > Lean Body Mass: 168.2

> > > > > lbs 182.1 183.9

> > > > > Body Fat Mass: 24.9

> > > > > lbs 19.2

> > > > > 18.3

> > > > >

> > > > > Intracellular Water: 77.2 lbs

>

> > > > > 83.6 84.7

> > > > > Extracellular Water: 46.1 lbs

>

> > > > > 50.3 50.3

> > > > > Total Body Water: 123.2

> > > > > lbs 133.8 134.9

> > > > >

> > > > > Body Fat:

> > > > > 12.9%

> > > > > 9.5% 9%

> > > > >

> > > > > Right Arm:

> > > > > 9.83 lbs 11.4

> > > > > 11.29

> > > > > Left Arm:

> > > > > 9.97 lbs 11.31

> > > > > 11.2

> > > > > Trunk:

> > > > > 73.1 lbs 80.6

> > > > > 80.1

> > > > > Right Leg:

> > > > > 26.43 lbs 28.42 28.7

> > > > > Left Leg:

> > > > > 26.48 lbs

> > > > > 28.24 28.37

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

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