Re: Tired of subpar health

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the site and we see alot of guys your age that are just burned out

nutrients depleted, improper lifestlye, toxic, and adrenal, thyroid and sex

hormones may be altered for some underlying cause. Feel free to contact me and

may be i could help to guide you in right direction. I had one guy that was

pounding milk like crazy ever since he was young boy and had e2 levels in the

60's. After cleaning up his eating habits, lifestlye, and other nutrient

imbalances retested in 8 weeks his e2 came down and T levels went up from 400 to

600 range feeling normal. Only .5% of dr's would even look at these factors

which can mean difference between being on TRT and not. Look for the cause as

well as treat/support the symptom till body rebalances it self which i can and

will do in time.

>

> Hopefully you all can help me?

>

> I am a 21 year old male with no known major illnesses. Never sustained major

physical or mental trauma of any sort. Yearly physicals (though not throughough

by any means) are always shown to be healthy.

>

> Chronologically:

> *Healthy childhood (ate tons of seafood though: mercury?)

> *At 12-15 was given methylphenidate and SSRIs

> *At about 17 I was told that I had a vericose veine and a hydroseal that were

causing left testicle pain. Stopped playing Rugby and pain went away. Apperently

the ultrasound showed otherwise healthy testicles

> *At 18 was diagnosed with ADHD

> *From 18-20 I was always sick. Removed Tosils when 20 and had a few months of

good health.

> *From 19-20 took dexidrine for ADHD, helped tons mentally but ruined my sex

drive and performance.

> *Random blood test revealed: Bottom of range LH & Test. Top of range E2, T3 &

T4. Very low TSH.

> *Recently fought of a intense HA-MRSA (basically staff) infection. I was told

I should not have had to be hospitilized if my immune system was in check.

> *Recovering from MRSA slowly. Given Endo refferal to try and find out why my

immune system is subpar.

>

> Symptoms: (Especially for the last two years)

> *Only normal sex drive a few days of the week. Otherwise low sex drive.

(Frustrating when trying to start a relationship and being a mentaly very sexual

person)

> *Very mild depression/anxiety/ennui that comes and goes but feels like it is

not linked to how I should feel.

> *Premature ejaculation (not terrible but very annoying)

> *Minimal secondary hair growth

> *Intense ADHD: impulsive, no focus, troubles reading, etc.

> (High IQ though)

> *Worst short term memory of anyone I know

> *Insomnia so bad it severly disrupts my life

> *Frequent infections

> *Always Hungry

> *The amount of time I spend working would make most people jacked but I simply

have to do it for maintenence.

> *Motivation totally escapes me sometimes

> *Moderate alcohol consumption (30+ drinks a week, sometims significantly more)

> *Very Sweaty

> *Always Hot

> *Dark around eyes

> *Always upbeat but 'Energy Swings' from being super social and gogogo to

complete lethargy and anti-social lazyness.

> *Gained ~15lb of mostly fat

>

> Possible Causes: (Total guesses on my part)

> **I'm guessing low Test has lead to my low immune system

> *Secondary Hypogonadism leads to low LH & Test -> Everything else?

> *Pituitary damage/tumor causes hypopituitaryism?

> *Some sort of inteference with normal puberty from SSRIs?

> *Heavy metal poisinging of my pituitary (kind of a reach)?

> *ADHD caused by low Test?

>

> Solutions: (Just brainstorming)

> *MRI rule out tumor/damage

> *Blood tests: LH, T3, T4, Free-Test, SHBG, E2, Prolactin, TSH, Cortisol...am I

missing any?

> *Low dose Clomid for 2 months to try and permenantly raise Test & LH.

> *Some sort of Thyroid treatment?

> *Talk to an Endo in about a year when the Canadian medical system finds me an

appointment.

> *Chelate heavy metals and/or remove mercury fillings and stains from mouth.

> **So far Intense excersise, low stress living, and high protien diet have

helped me the most but still leave significant symptoms that really inhibit my

quality of life.

>

> I'm planning on printing this out and handing it to the Endo when I finally

get an appointment. Am I missing anything significant? I always leave things out

when I'm actually at the Dr.'s.

>

> In the mean time would it be safe to try something like 25mg Clomid/Day for 2

months then retest my LH, E2, & Test?

>

> I am so tired of being sick all the time.

> Even more so: I'm so tired of flings that end when I lose sexual interest,

ability, or just get lazy.

>

> I would love to actually see the gains I work for in the gym, pursue women as

phsycially passionatly as I am mentally, make it to class without having to take

a week off for some sort of infection, and basically live a long and meaningful

life.

>

> I'm new here but after reading previous posts it seems like there are some

very knowledgeable people here. If you could take the time to read all this I'd

really appreciate it. Even more so if you have any sort of response. If you had

a similar situation or just know how I should proceed you could be a huge help

in my search for better living!

>

> Thanks!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Healthynessw and Welcome,

I feel you have a good handle on this and the tests you would need you can find

at Dr. 's site www.allthingsmale.com read TRT: A Recipe for Success in this

are labs you need and why.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: healthynesswouldbenice <no_reply >

> Subject: Tired of subpar health

>

> Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:16 PM

> Hopefully you all can help me?

>

> I am a 21 year old male with no known major illnesses.

> Never sustained major physical or mental trauma of any sort.

> Yearly physicals (though not throughough by any means) are

> always shown to be healthy.

>

> Chronologically:

> *Healthy childhood (ate tons of seafood though: mercury?)

> *At 12-15 was given methylphenidate and SSRIs

> *At about 17 I was told that I had a vericose veine and a

> hydroseal that were causing left testicle pain. Stopped

> playing Rugby and pain went away. Apperently the ultrasound

> showed otherwise healthy testicles

> *At 18 was diagnosed with ADHD

> *From 18-20 I was always sick. Removed Tosils when 20 and

> had a few months of good health.

> *From 19-20 took dexidrine for ADHD, helped tons mentally

> but ruined my sex drive and performance.

> *Random blood test revealed: Bottom of range LH & Test.

> Top of range E2, T3 & T4. Very low TSH.

> *Recently fought of a intense HA-MRSA (basically staff)

> infection. I was told I should not have had to be

> hospitilized if my immune system was in check.

> *Recovering from MRSA slowly. Given Endo refferal to try

> and find out why my immune system is subpar.

>

> Symptoms: (Especially for the last two years)

> *Only normal sex drive a few days of the week. Otherwise

> low sex drive. (Frustrating when trying to start a

> relationship and being a mentaly very sexual person)

> *Very mild depression/anxiety/ennui that comes and goes but

> feels like it is not linked to how I should feel.

> *Premature ejaculation (not terrible but very annoying)

> *Minimal secondary hair growth

> *Intense ADHD: impulsive, no focus, troubles reading, etc.

>

> (High IQ though)

> *Worst short term memory of anyone I know

> *Insomnia so bad it severly disrupts my life

> *Frequent infections

> *Always Hungry

> *The amount of time I spend working would make most people

> jacked but I simply have to do it for maintenence.

> *Motivation totally escapes me sometimes

> *Moderate alcohol consumption (30+ drinks a week, sometims

> significantly more)

> *Very Sweaty

> *Always Hot

> *Dark around eyes

> *Always upbeat but 'Energy Swings' from being super social

> and gogogo to complete lethargy and anti-social lazyness.

> *Gained ~15lb of mostly fat

>

> Possible Causes: (Total guesses on my part)

> **I'm guessing low Test has lead to my low immune system

> *Secondary Hypogonadism leads to low LH & Test ->

> Everything else?

> *Pituitary damage/tumor causes hypopituitaryism?

> *Some sort of inteference with normal puberty from SSRIs?

> *Heavy metal poisinging of my pituitary (kind of a reach)?

> *ADHD caused by low Test?

>

> Solutions: (Just brainstorming)

> *MRI rule out tumor/damage

> *Blood tests: LH, T3, T4, Free-Test, SHBG, E2, Prolactin,

> TSH, Cortisol...am I missing any?

> *Low dose Clomid for 2 months to try and permenantly raise

> Test & LH.

> *Some sort of Thyroid treatment?

> *Talk to an Endo in about a year when the Canadian medical

> system finds me an appointment.

> *Chelate heavy metals and/or remove mercury fillings and

> stains from mouth.

> **So far Intense excersise, low stress living, and high

> protien diet have helped me the most but still leave

> significant symptoms that really inhibit my quality of

> life.

>

> I'm planning on printing this out and handing it to the

> Endo when I finally get an appointment. Am I missing

> anything significant? I always leave things out when I'm

> actually at the Dr.'s.

>

> In the mean time would it be safe to try something like

> 25mg Clomid/Day for 2 months then retest my LH, E2, &

> Test?

>

> I am so tired of being sick all the time.

> Even more so: I'm so tired of flings that end when I lose

> sexual interest, ability, or just get lazy.

>

> I would love to actually see the gains I work for in the

> gym, pursue women as phsycially passionatly as I am

> mentally, make it to class without having to take a week off

> for some sort of infection, and basically live a long and

> meaningful life.

>

> I'm new here but after reading previous posts it seems like

> there are some very knowledgeable people here. If you could

> take the time to read all this I'd really appreciate it.

> Even more so if you have any sort of response. If you had a

> similar situation or just know how I should proceed you

> could be a huge help in my search for better living!

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil for that link.

>

> > From: healthynesswouldbenice <no_reply >

> > Subject: Tired of subpar health

> >

> > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:16 PM

> > Hopefully you all can help me?

> >

> > I am a 21 year old male with no known major illnesses.

> > Never sustained major physical or mental trauma of any sort.

> > Yearly physicals (though not throughough by any means) are

> > always shown to be healthy.

> >

> > Chronologically:

> > *Healthy childhood (ate tons of seafood though: mercury?)

> > *At 12-15 was given methylphenidate and SSRIs

> > *At about 17 I was told that I had a vericose veine and a

> > hydroseal that were causing left testicle pain. Stopped

> > playing Rugby and pain went away. Apperently the ultrasound

> > showed otherwise healthy testicles

> > *At 18 was diagnosed with ADHD

> > *From 18-20 I was always sick. Removed Tosils when 20 and

> > had a few months of good health.

> > *From 19-20 took dexidrine for ADHD, helped tons mentally

> > but ruined my sex drive and performance.

> > *Random blood test revealed: Bottom of range LH & Test.

> > Top of range E2, T3 & T4. Very low TSH.

> > *Recently fought of a intense HA-MRSA (basically staff)

> > infection. I was told I should not have had to be

> > hospitilized if my immune system was in check.

> > *Recovering from MRSA slowly. Given Endo refferal to try

> > and find out why my immune system is subpar.

> >

> > Symptoms: (Especially for the last two years)

> > *Only normal sex drive a few days of the week. Otherwise

> > low sex drive. (Frustrating when trying to start a

> > relationship and being a mentaly very sexual person)

> > *Very mild depression/anxiety/ennui that comes and goes but

> > feels like it is not linked to how I should feel.

> > *Premature ejaculation (not terrible but very annoying)

> > *Minimal secondary hair growth

> > *Intense ADHD: impulsive, no focus, troubles reading, etc.

> >

> > (High IQ though)

> > *Worst short term memory of anyone I know

> > *Insomnia so bad it severly disrupts my life

> > *Frequent infections

> > *Always Hungry

> > *The amount of time I spend working would make most people

> > jacked but I simply have to do it for maintenence.

> > *Motivation totally escapes me sometimes

> > *Moderate alcohol consumption (30+ drinks a week, sometims

> > significantly more)

> > *Very Sweaty

> > *Always Hot

> > *Dark around eyes

> > *Always upbeat but 'Energy Swings' from being super social

> > and gogogo to complete lethargy and anti-social lazyness.

> > *Gained ~15lb of mostly fat

> >

> > Possible Causes: (Total guesses on my part)

> > **I'm guessing low Test has lead to my low immune system

> > *Secondary Hypogonadism leads to low LH & Test ->

> > Everything else?

> > *Pituitary damage/tumor causes hypopituitaryism?

> > *Some sort of inteference with normal puberty from SSRIs?

> > *Heavy metal poisinging of my pituitary (kind of a reach)?

> > *ADHD caused by low Test?

> >

> > Solutions: (Just brainstorming)

> > *MRI rule out tumor/damage

> > *Blood tests: LH, T3, T4, Free-Test, SHBG, E2, Prolactin,

> > TSH, Cortisol...am I missing any?

> > *Low dose Clomid for 2 months to try and permenantly raise

> > Test & LH.

> > *Some sort of Thyroid treatment?

> > *Talk to an Endo in about a year when the Canadian medical

> > system finds me an appointment.

> > *Chelate heavy metals and/or remove mercury fillings and

> > stains from mouth.

> > **So far Intense excersise, low stress living, and high

> > protien diet have helped me the most but still leave

> > significant symptoms that really inhibit my quality of

> > life.

> >

> > I'm planning on printing this out and handing it to the

> > Endo when I finally get an appointment. Am I missing

> > anything significant? I always leave things out when I'm

> > actually at the Dr.'s.

> >

> > In the mean time would it be safe to try something like

> > 25mg Clomid/Day for 2 months then retest my LH, E2, &

> > Test?

> >

> > I am so tired of being sick all the time.

> > Even more so: I'm so tired of flings that end when I lose

> > sexual interest, ability, or just get lazy.

> >

> > I would love to actually see the gains I work for in the

> > gym, pursue women as phsycially passionatly as I am

> > mentally, make it to class without having to take a week off

> > for some sort of infection, and basically live a long and

> > meaningful life.

> >

> > I'm new here but after reading previous posts it seems like

> > there are some very knowledgeable people here. If you could

> > take the time to read all this I'd really appreciate it.

> > Even more so if you have any sort of response. If you had a

> > similar situation or just know how I should proceed you

> > could be a huge help in my search for better living!

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm prety sure my lifestyle is relatively good.

I quit smoking two months ago but only smoked about 5 cigarettes a day for a few

years.

I drink alot, which is probably not helping, but alcohol is something I don't

want to cut out of my life anyways.

My diet is pretty decent. Lots of protein (whey, almonds, walnuts, penut butter,

cottage cheese, egg); Solid Carbs (Oats, Pasta, Bread); fair amounts of fats

(Fish oils, olive oil, pizza, shwarma).

I take a mulivitamin from time to time (Universal's Animal Pak now).

Cycle Creatine when I'm making good gains. I also take lots of Vit D3 during the

winters and Vit C when sick. B Complexes make me feel " off " so I avoid them.

I use recreational drugs from time to time:

MDMA, Cocaine, and Opiates all in small doses less than once a month though. I

have also smoked weed and taken psychocilibin mushrooms in the past. Very small

aspect of my life.

I have perscription d-amphetamine which I take 4x a year (before midterms and

finals of each semester) at moderate does for about two weeks while I cram.

This is actually one of the main reasons I want to correct my testosterone. I've

heard ADHD is linked to low test and would love to be able to cut amphetamines

out completely and still be able to read.

I lift heavy weights 3-5 times a week and do cardio about 3-4 times a month

(Really intense sessions though). I always do something active everyday, at

least pushups before going dancing. Of course I've discontinued this since being

hospitalized a month ago. Waiting for the hole in my chest to close before

finally making it back to the gym.

I really don't know what underlying factors could lead to low test, low TSH, and

high E2.

I got an additional draw of bloodwork done today and will be sent to an

endochronologist along with a refferal shortly. I requested:

LH

TSH

T4

Testosterone (didnt specify what type)

E2

Prolactin

All of which the doctor scoffed at except for the Test. " You men don't need

these tests " .

Hopefully the Endo I see doesnt have a similar disposition. I figure even if I'm

decently healthy, its a quality of life issue. Furthermore its a preventative

measure. I don't want to go from ~300 test now to less as I get older and be at

higher risk for cancer.

How should I state my case to the Endo? I'm thinking about just printing out my

first post and faxing it to him along with the preliminary blood work.

After doing quite a bit of research I'm leaning heavily towards a two month low

dose Clomid treatment. Should I tell the Endo strait out that this is what I

want? If he writes me off (which my GP did previous to any bloodwork, wouldnt

even let me get my testosterone level tested) should I ask him nicely to simply

follow my self administration of Clomid or would that somehow be illegal or

something?

The way I see the use of Clomid is minimal short-term sides and almost no

serious risk factors that could possibly lead to a permanent increase in LH and

therefore Testosterone. If I could get my Testoserone levels permenatnly up

(even slightly) then hopefully some of my syptoms would go away. I could have a

more normal sex life; not need amphetamine to study; and finally be able to stay

energized through an entire day.

Any input hardasnails?

Thanks!

> >

> > Hopefully you all can help me?

> >

> > I am a 21 year old male with no known major illnesses. Never sustained major

physical or mental trauma of any sort. Yearly physicals (though not throughough

by any means) are always shown to be healthy.

> >

> > Chronologically:

> > *Healthy childhood (ate tons of seafood though: mercury?)

> > *At 12-15 was given methylphenidate and SSRIs

> > *At about 17 I was told that I had a vericose veine and a hydroseal that

were causing left testicle pain. Stopped playing Rugby and pain went away.

Apperently the ultrasound showed otherwise healthy testicles

> > *At 18 was diagnosed with ADHD

> > *From 18-20 I was always sick. Removed Tosils when 20 and had a few months

of good health.

> > *From 19-20 took dexidrine for ADHD, helped tons mentally but ruined my sex

drive and performance.

> > *Random blood test revealed: Bottom of range LH & Test. Top of range E2, T3

& T4. Very low TSH.

> > *Recently fought of a intense HA-MRSA (basically staff) infection. I was

told I should not have had to be hospitilized if my immune system was in check.

> > *Recovering from MRSA slowly. Given Endo refferal to try and find out why my

immune system is subpar.

> >

> > Symptoms: (Especially for the last two years)

> > *Only normal sex drive a few days of the week. Otherwise low sex drive.

(Frustrating when trying to start a relationship and being a mentaly very sexual

person)

> > *Very mild depression/anxiety/ennui that comes and goes but feels like it is

not linked to how I should feel.

> > *Premature ejaculation (not terrible but very annoying)

> > *Minimal secondary hair growth

> > *Intense ADHD: impulsive, no focus, troubles reading, etc.

> > (High IQ though)

> > *Worst short term memory of anyone I know

> > *Insomnia so bad it severly disrupts my life

> > *Frequent infections

> > *Always Hungry

> > *The amount of time I spend working would make most people jacked but I

simply have to do it for maintenence.

> > *Motivation totally escapes me sometimes

> > *Moderate alcohol consumption (30+ drinks a week, sometims significantly

more)

> > *Very Sweaty

> > *Always Hot

> > *Dark around eyes

> > *Always upbeat but 'Energy Swings' from being super social and gogogo to

complete lethargy and anti-social lazyness.

> > *Gained ~15lb of mostly fat

> >

> > Possible Causes: (Total guesses on my part)

> > **I'm guessing low Test has lead to my low immune system

> > *Secondary Hypogonadism leads to low LH & Test -> Everything else?

> > *Pituitary damage/tumor causes hypopituitaryism?

> > *Some sort of inteference with normal puberty from SSRIs?

> > *Heavy metal poisinging of my pituitary (kind of a reach)?

> > *ADHD caused by low Test?

> >

> > Solutions: (Just brainstorming)

> > *MRI rule out tumor/damage

> > *Blood tests: LH, T3, T4, Free-Test, SHBG, E2, Prolactin, TSH, Cortisol...am

I missing any?

> > *Low dose Clomid for 2 months to try and permenantly raise Test & LH.

> > *Some sort of Thyroid treatment?

> > *Talk to an Endo in about a year when the Canadian medical system finds me

an appointment.

> > *Chelate heavy metals and/or remove mercury fillings and stains from mouth.

> > **So far Intense excersise, low stress living, and high protien diet have

helped me the most but still leave significant symptoms that really inhibit my

quality of life.

> >

> > I'm planning on printing this out and handing it to the Endo when I finally

get an appointment. Am I missing anything significant? I always leave things out

when I'm actually at the Dr.'s.

> >

> > In the mean time would it be safe to try something like 25mg Clomid/Day for

2 months then retest my LH, E2, & Test?

> >

> > I am so tired of being sick all the time.

> > Even more so: I'm so tired of flings that end when I lose sexual interest,

ability, or just get lazy.

> >

> > I would love to actually see the gains I work for in the gym, pursue women

as phsycially passionatly as I am mentally, make it to class without having to

take a week off for some sort of infection, and basically live a long and

meaningful life.

> >

> > I'm new here but after reading previous posts it seems like there are some

very knowledgeable people here. If you could take the time to read all this I'd

really appreciate it. Even more so if you have any sort of response. If you had

a similar situation or just know how I should proceed you could be a huge help

in my search for better living!

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I hasten to add Total T's of 400 and 600 are the same, given the pulsatility

of hormonal production.

Unless measured by 24 hour urine, one must always keep this in mind.

I have no doubt these guys do better because of all the other stuff they are

now doing right.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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I'm sorry if I offend and I'm really not trying to call you out, but how can

your lifestyle be " relatively good " if you " drink a lot " and use

" recreational drugs? " Hey, if you want to drink a lot and use drugs, go

ahead. I think it's your choice to make. But, don't kid yourself into

thinking that those are good lifestyle choices.

I think you need to at least consider the fact that drinking and drug use

could contribute to your health problems.

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On Behalf Of healthynesswouldbenice

Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: Tired of subpar health

I'm prety sure my lifestyle is relatively good.

I quit smoking two months ago but only smoked about 5 cigarettes a day for a

few years.

I drink alot, which is probably not helping, but alcohol is something I

don't want to cut out of my life anyways.

My diet is pretty decent. Lots of protein (whey, almonds, walnuts, penut

butter, cottage cheese, egg); Solid Carbs (Oats, Pasta, Bread); fair amounts

of fats (Fish oils, olive oil, pizza, shwarma).

I take a mulivitamin from time to time (Universal's Animal Pak now).

Cycle Creatine when I'm making good gains. I also take lots of Vit D3 during

the winters and Vit C when sick. B Complexes make me feel " off " so I avoid

them.

I use recreational drugs from time to time:

MDMA, Cocaine, and Opiates all in small doses less than once a month though.

I have also smoked weed and taken psychocilibin mushrooms in the past. Very

small aspect of my life.

I have perscription d-amphetamine which I take 4x a year (before midterms

and finals of each semester) at moderate does for about two weeks while I

cram.

This is actually one of the main reasons I want to correct my testosterone.

I've heard ADHD is linked to low test and would love to be able to cut

amphetamines out completely and still be able to read.

I lift heavy weights 3-5 times a week and do cardio about 3-4 times a month

(Really intense sessions though). I always do something active everyday, at

least pushups before going dancing. Of course I've discontinued this since

being hospitalized a month ago. Waiting for the hole in my chest to close

before finally making it back to the gym.

I really don't know what underlying factors could lead to low test, low TSH,

and high E2.

I got an additional draw of bloodwork done today and will be sent to an

endochronologist along with a refferal shortly. I requested:

LH

TSH

T4

Testosterone (didnt specify what type)

E2

Prolactin

All of which the doctor scoffed at except for the Test. " You men don't need

these tests " .

Hopefully the Endo I see doesnt have a similar disposition. I figure even if

I'm decently healthy, its a quality of life issue. Furthermore its a

preventative measure. I don't want to go from ~300 test now to less as I get

older and be at higher risk for cancer.

How should I state my case to the Endo? I'm thinking about just printing out

my first post and faxing it to him along with the preliminary blood work.

After doing quite a bit of research I'm leaning heavily towards a two month

low dose Clomid treatment. Should I tell the Endo strait out that this is

what I want? If he writes me off (which my GP did previous to any bloodwork,

wouldnt even let me get my testosterone level tested) should I ask him

nicely to simply follow my self administration of Clomid or would that

somehow be illegal or something?

The way I see the use of Clomid is minimal short-term sides and almost no

serious risk factors that could possibly lead to a permanent increase in LH

and therefore Testosterone. If I could get my Testoserone levels permenatnly

up (even slightly) then hopefully some of my syptoms would go away. I could

have a more normal sex life; not need amphetamine to study; and finally be

able to stay energized through an entire day.

Any input hardasnails?

Thanks!

> >

> > Hopefully you all can help me?

> >

> > I am a 21 year old male with no known major illnesses. Never sustained

major physical or mental trauma of any sort. Yearly physicals (though not

throughough by any means) are always shown to be healthy.

> >

> > Chronologically:

> > *Healthy childhood (ate tons of seafood though: mercury?)

> > *At 12-15 was given methylphenidate and SSRIs

> > *At about 17 I was told that I had a vericose veine and a hydroseal that

were causing left testicle pain. Stopped playing Rugby and pain went away.

Apperently the ultrasound showed otherwise healthy testicles

> > *At 18 was diagnosed with ADHD

> > *From 18-20 I was always sick. Removed Tosils when 20 and had a few

months of good health.

> > *From 19-20 took dexidrine for ADHD, helped tons mentally but ruined my

sex drive and performance.

> > *Random blood test revealed: Bottom of range LH & Test. Top of range E2,

T3 & T4. Very low TSH.

> > *Recently fought of a intense HA-MRSA (basically staff) infection. I was

told I should not have had to be hospitilized if my immune system was in

check.

> > *Recovering from MRSA slowly. Given Endo refferal to try and find out

why my immune system is subpar.

> >

> > Symptoms: (Especially for the last two years)

> > *Only normal sex drive a few days of the week. Otherwise low sex drive.

(Frustrating when trying to start a relationship and being a mentaly very

sexual person)

> > *Very mild depression/anxiety/ennui that comes and goes but feels like

it is not linked to how I should feel.

> > *Premature ejaculation (not terrible but very annoying)

> > *Minimal secondary hair growth

> > *Intense ADHD: impulsive, no focus, troubles reading, etc.

> > (High IQ though)

> > *Worst short term memory of anyone I know

> > *Insomnia so bad it severly disrupts my life

> > *Frequent infections

> > *Always Hungry

> > *The amount of time I spend working would make most people jacked but I

simply have to do it for maintenence.

> > *Motivation totally escapes me sometimes

> > *Moderate alcohol consumption (30+ drinks a week, sometims significantly

more)

> > *Very Sweaty

> > *Always Hot

> > *Dark around eyes

> > *Always upbeat but 'Energy Swings' from being super social and gogogo to

complete lethargy and anti-social lazyness.

> > *Gained ~15lb of mostly fat

> >

> > Possible Causes: (Total guesses on my part)

> > **I'm guessing low Test has lead to my low immune system

> > *Secondary Hypogonadism leads to low LH & Test -> Everything else?

> > *Pituitary damage/tumor causes hypopituitaryism?

> > *Some sort of inteference with normal puberty from SSRIs?

> > *Heavy metal poisinging of my pituitary (kind of a reach)?

> > *ADHD caused by low Test?

> >

> > Solutions: (Just brainstorming)

> > *MRI rule out tumor/damage

> > *Blood tests: LH, T3, T4, Free-Test, SHBG, E2, Prolactin, TSH,

Cortisol...am I missing any?

> > *Low dose Clomid for 2 months to try and permenantly raise Test & LH.

> > *Some sort of Thyroid treatment?

> > *Talk to an Endo in about a year when the Canadian medical system finds

me an appointment.

> > *Chelate heavy metals and/or remove mercury fillings and stains from

mouth.

> > **So far Intense excersise, low stress living, and high protien diet

have helped me the most but still leave significant symptoms that really

inhibit my quality of life.

> >

> > I'm planning on printing this out and handing it to the Endo when I

finally get an appointment. Am I missing anything significant? I always

leave things out when I'm actually at the Dr.'s.

> >

> > In the mean time would it be safe to try something like 25mg Clomid/Day

for 2 months then retest my LH, E2, & Test?

> >

> > I am so tired of being sick all the time.

> > Even more so: I'm so tired of flings that end when I lose sexual

interest, ability, or just get lazy.

> >

> > I would love to actually see the gains I work for in the gym, pursue

women as phsycially passionatly as I am mentally, make it to class without

having to take a week off for some sort of infection, and basically live a

long and meaningful life.

> >

> > I'm new here but after reading previous posts it seems like there are

some very knowledgeable people here. If you could take the time to read all

this I'd really appreciate it. Even more so if you have any sort of

response. If you had a similar situation or just know how I should proceed

you could be a huge help in my search for better living!

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Seeing how you are not taking a b-complex, you should get a b12 level done.

Now with the thyroid test you need a free t3 and a free t4.

Also have a ferritin level done.

Sky

________________________________

From: healthynesswouldbenice <no_reply >

Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 4:44:21 AM

Subject: Re: Tired of subpar health

 

I really don't know what underlying factors could lead to low test, low TSH, and

high E2.

TSH

T4

Testosterone (didnt specify what type)

E2

Prolactin

All of which the doctor scoffed at except for the Test. " You men don't need

these tests " .

After doing quite a bit of research I'm leaning heavily towards a two month low

dose Clomid treatment. Should I tell the Endo strait out that this is what I

want? If he writes me off (which my GP did previous to any bloodwork, wouldnt

even let me get my testosterone level tested) should I ask him nicely to simply

follow my self administration of Clomid or would that somehow be illegal or

something?

The way I see the use of Clomid is minimal short-term sides and almost no

serious risk factors that could possibly lead to a permanent increase in LH and

therefore Testosterone. If I could get my Testoserone levels permenatnly up

(even slightly) then hopefully some of my syptoms would go away. I could have a

more normal sex life; not need amphetamine to study; and finally be able to stay

energized through an entire day.

Any input hardasnails?

Thanks!

> >

> > Hopefully you all can help me?

> >

> > I am a 21 year old male with no known major illnesses. Never sustained major

physical or mental trauma of any sort. Yearly physicals (though not throughough

by any means) are always shown to be healthy.

> >

> > Chronologically:

> > *Healthy childhood (ate tons of seafood though: mercury?)

> > *At 12-15 was given methylphenidate and SSRIs

> > *At about 17 I was told that I had a vericose veine and a hydroseal that

were causing left testicle pain. Stopped playing Rugby and pain went away.

Apperently the ultrasound showed otherwise healthy testicles

> > *At 18 was diagnosed with ADHD

> > *From 18-20 I was always sick. Removed Tosils when 20 and had a few months

of good health.

> > *From 19-20 took dexidrine for ADHD, helped tons mentally but ruined my sex

drive and performance.

> > *Random blood test revealed: Bottom of range LH & Test. Top of range E2, T3

& T4. Very low TSH.

> > *Recently fought of a intense HA-MRSA (basically staff) infection. I was

told I should not have had to be hospitilized if my immune system was in check.

> > *Recovering from MRSA slowly. Given Endo refferal to try and find out why my

immune system is subpar.

> >

> > Symptoms: (Especially for the last two years)

> > *Only normal sex drive a few days of the week. Otherwise low sex drive.

(Frustrating when trying to start a relationship and being a mentaly very sexual

person)

> > *Very mild depression/anxiety/ ennui that comes and goes but feels like it

is not linked to how I should feel.

> > *Premature ejaculation (not terrible but very annoying)

> > *Minimal secondary hair growth

> > *Intense ADHD: impulsive, no focus, troubles reading, etc.

> > (High IQ though)

> > *Worst short term memory of anyone I know

> > *Insomnia so bad it severly disrupts my life

> > *Frequent infections

> > *Always Hungry

> > *The amount of time I spend working would make most people jacked but I

simply have to do it for maintenence.

> > *Motivation totally escapes me sometimes

> > *Moderate alcohol consumption (30+ drinks a week, sometims significantly

more)

> > *Very Sweaty

> > *Always Hot

> > *Dark around eyes

> > *Always upbeat but 'Energy Swings' from being super social and gogogo to

complete lethargy and anti-social lazyness.

> > *Gained ~15lb of mostly fat

> >

> > Possible Causes: (Total guesses on my part)

> > **I'm guessing low Test has lead to my low immune system

> > *Secondary Hypogonadism leads to low LH & Test -> Everything else?

> > *Pituitary damage/tumor causes hypopituitaryism?

> > *Some sort of inteference with normal puberty from SSRIs?

> > *Heavy metal poisinging of my pituitary (kind of a reach)?

> > *ADHD caused by low Test?

> >

> > Solutions: (Just brainstorming)

> > *MRI rule out tumor/damage

> > *Blood tests: LH, T3, T4, Free-Test, SHBG, E2, Prolactin, TSH, Cortisol...am

I missing any?

> > *Low dose Clomid for 2 months to try and permenantly raise Test & LH.

> > *Some sort of Thyroid treatment?

> > *Talk to an Endo in about a year when the Canadian medical system finds me

an appointment.

> > *Chelate heavy metals and/or remove mercury fillings and stains from mouth.

> > **So far Intense excersise, low stress living, and high protien diet have

helped me the most but still leave significant symptoms that really inhibit my

quality of life.

> >

> > I'm planning on printing this out and handing it to the Endo when I finally

get an appointment. Am I missing anything significant? I always leave things out

when I'm actually at the Dr.'s.

> >

> > In the mean time would it be safe to try something like 25mg Clomid/Day for

2 months then retest my LH, E2, & Test?

> >

> > I am so tired of being sick all the time.

> > Even more so: I'm so tired of flings that end when I lose sexual interest,

ability, or just get lazy.

> >

> > I would love to actually see the gains I work for in the gym, pursue women

as phsycially passionatly as I am mentally, make it to class without having to

take a week off for some sort of infection, and basically live a long and

meaningful life.

> >

> > I'm new here but after reading previous posts it seems like there are some

very knowledgeable people here. If you could take the time to read all this I'd

really appreciate it. Even more so if you have any sort of response. If you had

a similar situation or just know how I should proceed you could be a huge help

in my search for better living!

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> > > *Moderate alcohol consumption (30+ drinks a week, sometims

> > > significantly more)

I wouldn't call 4-5 drinks a day, EVERY day " moderate " .

(4*7=28 and poster admits to drinking " significantly more " )

how about dropping to NO MORE than 2 a day for a couple of weeks (to avoid

withdrawl) then no more than 4-5 a week (i.e. glass of wine with dinner

sometimes)

[Guest guest]

Good point I don't drink any kind of booze I feel with the problems we have it's

nuts to add to it. After all the food we have to buy and eat is killing us the

packaging they put the food and water in is killing us and the hormones in the

meat we eat and the crops they spry is doing us in and they is no place to hide.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jbbooks1901 <jbbooks1901@...>

> Subject: Re: Tired of subpar health

>

> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 11:52 PM

>

>

> > > > *Moderate alcohol consumption (30+ drinks a

> week, sometims

> > > > significantly more)

>

> I wouldn't call 4-5 drinks a day, EVERY day " moderate " .

> (4*7=28 and poster admits to drinking " significantly

> more " )

>

> how about dropping to NO MORE than 2 a day for a couple of

> weeks (to avoid withdrawl) then no more than 4-5 a week

> (i.e. glass of wine with dinner sometimes)

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

talking from the point of view of someone that has done MDMA, using it just once

a month will cause at least some of your symptoms. I remember the way it would

kill the sex drive, and basicaly cause temporary ED for a week afterwords. It

also causes a depression.

What you are describing, as far as symptoms sounds more like a complex addiction

cycle, that may have low testosterone as the result of your drug and alcohol

use.

TRT may be required, but if you are only using it to treat the side effects of

the things you are using, then eventually when you have to quit everything, you

will also have to deal with coming off TRT.

Its not easy quitting drinking everyday, there are drugs that a normal dr. can

give you to help with the withdrawels now.

And yes, it will suck giving up the social life of partying and doing drugs, but

most people have to give them up or they ruin their lives.

Being on TRT does not mean we don't still have at least some ED, I am finding

that it is taking a lot of fine tuning, and I have had to give up all alcohol

and caffeine. At 21, you should have a libido that never stops, and almost

anyone that isn't doing as many drugs as you are does.