Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what to tell you about RT3 I know mine is high off and on but this

happened from having Heart Bypass Surgery. I thinks I gave you this link in RT3

it is the only thing I seen that makes sense. T3 only meds are very hard on

Adrenals I would try to get this fixed first then try testing your RT3 again in

most peolple with high RT3 it is stress doing this your sleep can be making your

RT3 high.

I hope Medrol will help still most if not all the people I have talked to did

better starting on HC the women that helped me when I first went on HC is Val.

at this forum post to her see if she can help on this she is one of the best at

this. Tell her Phil from STTM sent you.

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 3:26 PM

> I've been having a hard time with

> cortef dosing and my symptoms. This past wed- Fri. were very

> stressful in work. I was up to 30mg of cortef /day and

> needed more. The cortef isn't cutting it.

>

> I'm seeing my doctor tommorrow and will be talking to him

> about medrol. I'm also going to talk to him about

> prescription sleep aids. Before starting cortef about a

> month ago, I was only getting about 3hrs. sleep. Since the

> cortef, there are nights when I get no sleep. I can't figure

> out the dosing. I know that I don't wake because of my

> glucose level. I have a monitor and my sugar is in the 90's.

> I believe the problem is my high rt3.

>

> I need better support for my adrenals. While working on

> this, I'll need stronger sleep aids than OTC. These aren't

> working. After I get the adrenals supported, I'll work on

> the rt3 with cytomel. My doctor tried treating the rt3 with

> cytomel without addressing the adrenals in the past. My

> system did not handle this well. With the adrenals supported

> the cytomel should work.

>

> It's going on 1 yr. with hrt. I can't say I feel much

> better than before I started.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

A week ago,I thought the cortef was working. It obviously isn't cutting it. I

don't know if I should take anymore than 30mg/day. Until I start sleeping,

nothing positive is going to happen. This is so frustrating. I've tried all

sorts of OTC sleep aids. My wife has some ambien. I'm going to try this tonight.

I'm talking to the doc about ambien and trazodone tommorrow.

>

> I am not sure what to tell you about RT3 I know mine is high off and on but

this happened from having Heart Bypass Surgery. I thinks I gave you this link

in RT3 it is the only thing I seen that makes sense. T3 only meds are very hard

on Adrenals I would try to get this fixed first then try testing your RT3 again

in most peolple with high RT3 it is stress doing this your sleep can be making

your RT3 high.

>

> I hope Medrol will help still most if not all the people I have talked to did

better starting on HC the women that helped me when I first went on HC is Val.

at this forum post to her see if she can help on this she is one of the best at

this. Tell her Phil from STTM sent you.

> NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I know what your going through my wife can't sleep and her Adrenals are in great

shape. She takes my Xanax .5 mgs to fall a sleep after a few hrs. of falling to

sleep and waking up this gets her some sleep but she dose this only when she

can't take it anymore.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 4:45 PM

> A week ago,I thought the cortef was

> working. It obviously isn't cutting it. I don't know if I

> should take anymore than 30mg/day. Until I start sleeping,

> nothing positive is going to happen. This is so frustrating.

> I've tried all sorts of OTC sleep aids. My wife has some

> ambien. I'm going to try this tonight. I'm talking to the

> doc about ambien and trazodone tommorrow. 

>

>

> >

> > I am not sure what to tell you about RT3 I know mine

> is high off and on but this happened from having Heart

> Bypass Surgery.  I thinks I gave you this link in RT3

> it is the only thing I seen that makes sense.  T3 only

> meds are very hard on Adrenals I would try to get this fixed

> first then try testing your RT3 again in most peolple with

> high RT3 it is stress doing this your sleep can be making

> your RT3 high.

> >

> > I hope Medrol will help still most if not all the

> people I have talked to did better starting on HC the women

> that helped me when I first went on HC is Val. at this forum

> post to her see if she can help on this she is one of the

> best at this.  Tell her Phil from STTM sent you.

> > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I contacted Val with my test results. She says my T4 is too high and get tested

for Graves. I have high FT4 which is causing high RT3. She says my adrenals are

" trashed " and will need up to 45mg cortef. She says medrol may help but didn't

go into much detail. She says cytomel alone may help the rt3.

I'll be seeing my doc today and will be taking all this info to discuss with

him. I tried some of my wifes ambien last night. This may help me some, but I

have to get the rt3 down.

>

> I am not sure what to tell you about RT3 I know mine is high off and on but

this happened from having Heart Bypass Surgery. I thinks I gave you this link

in RT3 it is the only thing I seen that makes sense. T3 only meds are very hard

on Adrenals I would try to get this fixed first then try testing your RT3 again

in most peolple with high RT3 it is stress doing this your sleep can be making

your RT3 high.

>

> I hope Medrol will help still most if not all the people I have talked to did

better starting on HC the women that helped me when I first went on HC is Val.

at this forum post to her see if she can help on this she is one of the best at

this. Tell her Phil from STTM sent you.

> NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well she is good and I am betting she is Right.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 9:56 AM

> I contacted Val with my test results.

> She says my T4 is too high and get tested for Graves. I have

> high FT4 which is causing high RT3. She says my adrenals are

> " trashed " and will need up to 45mg cortef. She says medrol

> may help but didn't go into much detail. She says cytomel

> alone may help the rt3.

>

> I'll be seeing my doc today and will be taking all this

> info to discuss with him. I tried some of my wifes ambien

> last night. This may help me some, but I have to get the rt3

> down.

>

>

> >

> > I am not sure what to tell you about RT3 I know mine

> is high off and on but this happened from having Heart

> Bypass Surgery.  I thinks I gave you this link in RT3

> it is the only thing I seen that makes sense.  T3 only

> meds are very hard on Adrenals I would try to get this fixed

> first then try testing your RT3 again in most peolple with

> high RT3 it is stress doing this your sleep can be making

> your RT3 high.

> >

> > I hope Medrol will help still most if not all the

> people I have talked to did better starting on HC the women

> that helped me when I first went on HC is Val. at this forum

> post to her see if she can help on this she is one of the

> best at this.  Tell her Phil from STTM sent you.

> > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jim, if you're running the labs anyway, get ALL the antibodies tested: TSI,

TBI, TPO, TGAb. Have you ever felt hyper before? Fast heart rate even while

laying down, sweating, high BP, eyes bulge a little?

I did want to mention that certain meds like anti-depressants and

benzodiazepenes will greatly interfere with any recovery, because they affect

your cortisol levels, so trying to use HC and/or medrol with them would be like

trying to push and pull something at the same time. Do google any meds for side

effects before taking.

BW,

Barb

> >

> > I am not sure what to tell you about RT3 I know mine is high off and on but

this happened from having Heart Bypass Surgery. I thinks I gave you this link

in RT3 it is the only thing I seen that makes sense. T3 only meds are very hard

on Adrenals I would try to get this fixed first then try testing your RT3 again

in most peolple with high RT3 it is stress doing this your sleep can be making

your RT3 high.

> >

> > I hope Medrol will help still most if not all the people I have talked to

did better starting on HC the women that helped me when I first went on HC is

Val. at this forum post to her see if she can help on this she is one of the

best at this. Tell her Phil from STTM sent you.

> > NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Barb,

I usually have a rapid pulse, I sweat somewhat easily.My blood pressure though

is low and my eyes don't bulge. The only time I felt hyper was when my doctor

had me on cytomel, before treating the adrenals. I couldn't tolerate the

cytomel.

>

> Jim, if you're running the labs anyway, get ALL the antibodies tested: TSI,

TBI, TPO, TGAb. Have you ever felt hyper before? Fast heart rate even while

laying down, sweating, high BP, eyes bulge a little?

>

> I did want to mention that certain meds like anti-depressants and

benzodiazepenes will greatly interfere with any recovery, because they affect

your cortisol levels, so trying to use HC and/or medrol with them would be like

trying to push and pull something at the same time. Do google any meds for side

effects before taking.

>

> BW,

> Barb

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim, I can't help you with Cortef or Medrol dosing because I went through

exactly what you are going through with the Cortef completely destroying my

sleep patterns. After six disastrous months on it, and adding Medrol to it too,

I slowly, painfully weaned off. I was on Klonopin, Ambien, and Lunesta and took

Benadryl to help too, but all of the former are addictive, tolerance forming,

and supposedly bad for the endocrine system so I weaned off of them too and

added a low dose of Seroquel which I'm still on, two years later, because I

can't sleep without it. I'm not telling you to take any particular drug, but you

might want to ask your doc about Seroquel if he starts talking about benzos like

Klonopin and Ativan, or the " Z " drugs like Ambien and Lunesta.

I'm sorry that you are having such a hard time with the HC. Reading your posts

brings back some really bad memories for me. I hope that you resolve your issues

soon.

>

> I've been having a hard time with cortef dosing and my symptoms. This past

wed- Fri. were very stressful in work. I was up to 30mg of cortef /day and

needed more. The cortef isn't cutting it.

>

> I'm seeing my doctor tommorrow and will be talking to him about medrol. I'm

also going to talk to him about prescription sleep aids. Before starting cortef

about a month ago, I was only getting about 3hrs. sleep. Since the cortef, there

are nights when I get no sleep. I can't figure out the dosing. I know that I

don't wake because of my glucose level. I have a monitor and my sugar is in the

90's. I believe the problem is my high rt3.

>

> I need better support for my adrenals. While working on this, I'll need

stronger sleep aids than OTC. These aren't working. After I get the adrenals

supported, I'll work on the rt3 with cytomel. My doctor tried treating the rt3

with cytomel without addressing the adrenals in the past. My system did not

handle this well. With the adrenals supported the cytomel should work.

>

> It's going on 1 yr. with hrt. I can't say I feel much better than before I

started.

>

[Guest guest]

Jim,

It seems like I'm in the exact situation you're in. I'm hypothyroid, Hypogonad,

and my adrenals are shot. I haven't gotten good regular sleep in about 20

years. I notice that on nights where I sleep well all systems work much, much

better. I'm now working with a big name psychiatrist who did the long term

studies with Lunesta. He has me on it for over 9 months and sees no problem

with indefinite use. I've felt no dependency issues when I try to cut dose. It

works well for me, but I still wake up after about 5 hours of sleep. For that

he's given me a micro dose of mirtazapine (remeron) 7.5mg which I take at night

and really helps me get back to sleep after eating a small snack.

If you have high RT3, you probably have too much T4 and may have RLS (restless

legs syndrome) I do, and occasionally, I'll take Neurontin (400mg) to help that.

If you have thyroid issues, you also may have Sleep apnea. The two go hand in

hand.

Hope this gives you food for thought. Definitely get a sleep study done.

Lunesta is way better than ambien as far as side effects.

Think about it and do what's best for you.

Best regards,

Dave

>

> I've been having a hard time with cortef dosing and my symptoms. This past

wed- Fri. were very stressful in work. I was up to 30mg of cortef /day and

needed more. The cortef isn't cutting it.

>

> I'm seeing my doctor tommorrow and will be talking to him about medrol. I'm

also going to talk to him about prescription sleep aids. Before starting cortef

about a month ago, I was only getting about 3hrs. sleep. Since the cortef, there

are nights when I get no sleep. I can't figure out the dosing. I know that I

don't wake because of my glucose level. I have a monitor and my sugar is in the

90's. I believe the problem is my high rt3.

>

> I need better support for my adrenals. While working on this, I'll need

stronger sleep aids than OTC. These aren't working. After I get the adrenals

supported, I'll work on the rt3 with cytomel. My doctor tried treating the rt3

with cytomel without addressing the adrenals in the past. My system did not

handle this well. With the adrenals supported the cytomel should work.

>

> It's going on 1 yr. with hrt. I can't say I feel much better than before I

started.

>

[Guest guest]

,

I did get a script for ambien. I'll see how this works. I am concerned about

developing problems with it. I hope not to be on it for too long. It may not

even work that well. My doc told me to call him on thursday and let him know how

I'm doing. he said we would try something else if the ambien doesn't work.

I will talk to him about the seroquel on thursday. Thanks for your time,

experience and info.

Jim

>

> Hi Jim, I can't help you with Cortef or Medrol dosing because I went through

exactly what you are going through with the Cortef completely destroying my

sleep patterns. After six disastrous months on it, and adding Medrol to it too,

I slowly, painfully weaned off. I was on Klonopin, Ambien, and Lunesta and took

Benadryl to help too, but all of the former are addictive, tolerance forming,

and supposedly bad for the endocrine system so I weaned off of them too and

added a low dose of Seroquel which I'm still on, two years later, because I

can't sleep without it. I'm not telling you to take any particular drug, but you

might want to ask your doc about Seroquel if he starts talking about benzos like

Klonopin and Ativan, or the " Z " drugs like Ambien and Lunesta.

>

> I'm sorry that you are having such a hard time with the HC. Reading your posts

brings back some really bad memories for me. I hope that you resolve your issues

soon.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I can't imagine 20 years of poor sleep. I started having problems about 5 years

ago, but being on the cortef, it's gotten very bad.

I did get a script for ambien. I'm trying this for 3 days and contacting the doc

about the status. He said we will try other things if the ambien doesn't work. I

will talk to doc about the lunesta as well as seroquel, suggested by another

forum member.

I don't think I have RLS or sleep apnea. My wife sys she never heard me gasp. My

insurance doesn't cover sleep studies. I can't afford this presently.

Take care and thanks for your input,

Jim

>

> Jim,

>

> It seems like I'm in the exact situation you're in. I'm hypothyroid,

Hypogonad, and my adrenals are shot. I haven't gotten good regular sleep in

about 20 years. I notice that on nights where I sleep well all systems work

much, much better. I'm now working with a big name psychiatrist who did the

long term studies with Lunesta. He has me on it for over 9 months and sees no

problem with indefinite use. I've felt no dependency issues when I try to cut

dose. It works well for me, but I still wake up after about 5 hours of sleep.

For that he's given me a micro dose of mirtazapine (remeron) 7.5mg which I take

at night and really helps me get back to sleep after eating a small snack.

> If you have high RT3, you probably have too much T4 and may have RLS (restless

legs syndrome) I do, and occasionally, I'll take Neurontin (400mg) to help that.

If you have thyroid issues, you also may have Sleep apnea. The two go hand in

hand.

> Hope this gives you food for thought. Definitely get a sleep study done.

Lunesta is way better than ambien as far as side effects.

> Think about it and do what's best for you.

>

> Best regards,

> Dave

[Guest guest]

Dave and Jim,

You guys could consider trying neurofeedback and/or biofeedback. Both have

been used very succesfully to alleviate insomnia.

Mike

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:44 PM, jim <virtuosa150@...> wrote:

>

>

> Dave,

>

> I can't imagine 20 years of poor sleep. I started having problems about 5

> years ago, but being on the cortef, it's gotten very bad.

>

> I did get a script for ambien. I'm trying this for 3 days and contacting

> the doc about the status. He said we will try other things if the ambien

> doesn't work. I will talk to doc about the lunesta as well as seroquel,

> suggested by another forum member.

>

> I don't think I have RLS or sleep apnea. My wife sys she never heard me

> gasp. My insurance doesn't cover sleep studies. I can't afford this

> presently.

>

> Take care and thanks for your input,

>

> Jim

>

>

>

> >

> > Jim,

> >

> > It seems like I'm in the exact situation you're in. I'm hypothyroid,

> Hypogonad, and my adrenals are shot. I haven't gotten good regular sleep in

> about 20 years. I notice that on nights where I sleep well all systems work

> much, much better. I'm now working with a big name psychiatrist who did the

> long term studies with Lunesta. He has me on it for over 9 months and sees

> no problem with indefinite use. I've felt no dependency issues when I try to

> cut dose. It works well for me, but I still wake up after about 5 hours of

> sleep. For that he's given me a micro dose of mirtazapine (remeron) 7.5mg

> which I take at night and really helps me get back to sleep after eating a

> small snack.

> > If you have high RT3, you probably have too much T4 and may have RLS

> (restless legs syndrome) I do, and occasionally, I'll take Neurontin (400mg)

> to help that. If you have thyroid issues, you also may have Sleep apnea. The

> two go hand in hand.

> > Hope this gives you food for thought. Definitely get a sleep study done.

> Lunesta is way better than ambien as far as side effects.

> > Think about it and do what's best for you.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Dave

>

>

>

--

Mike

[Guest guest]

Mike,

Feedback is a good suggestion, but since my endocrine is so out of whack, I'd

still be dealing with those issues and they can wake you up like a bucket of ice

water. Good idea for when my hormones are stabilized.

Dave

> > >

> > > Jim,

> > >

> > > It seems like I'm in the exact situation you're in. I'm hypothyroid,

> > Hypogonad, and my adrenals are shot. I haven't gotten good regular sleep in

> > about 20 years. I notice that on nights where I sleep well all systems work

> > much, much better. I'm now working with a big name psychiatrist who did the

> > long term studies with Lunesta. He has me on it for over 9 months and sees

> > no problem with indefinite use. I've felt no dependency issues when I try to

> > cut dose. It works well for me, but I still wake up after about 5 hours of

> > sleep. For that he's given me a micro dose of mirtazapine (remeron) 7.5mg

> > which I take at night and really helps me get back to sleep after eating a

> > small snack.

> > > If you have high RT3, you probably have too much T4 and may have RLS

> > (restless legs syndrome) I do, and occasionally, I'll take Neurontin (400mg)

> > to help that. If you have thyroid issues, you also may have Sleep apnea. The

> > two go hand in hand.

> > > Hope this gives you food for thought. Definitely get a sleep study done.

> > Lunesta is way better than ambien as far as side effects.

> > > Think about it and do what's best for you.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Dave

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jim, please ask your doc about Seroquel or other atypicals before you take the

Ambien or Lunesta for extended periods of time. Lunesta did not hold me through

my HC induced insomnia and, contrary to the marketing hype, drugs like Ambien

and Lunesta ARE habit forming, very similar to benzodiazepenes, and thought to

be endocrine disruptors. I'm not psyched to be reliant on Seroquel but I split

the smallest dose possible in half (12.5mg) and it suffices to keep me asleep,

and it is not addictive. My goal is to wean off of it too, sometime this year

when I can afford not to sleep much for a few weeks.

Good luck,

> >

> > Hi Jim, I can't help you with Cortef or Medrol dosing because I went through

exactly what you are going through with the Cortef completely destroying my

sleep patterns. After six disastrous months on it, and adding Medrol to it too,

I slowly, painfully weaned off. I was on Klonopin, Ambien, and Lunesta and took

Benadryl to help too, but all of the former are addictive, tolerance forming,

and supposedly bad for the endocrine system so I weaned off of them too and

added a low dose of Seroquel which I'm still on, two years later, because I

can't sleep without it. I'm not telling you to take any particular drug, but you

might want to ask your doc about Seroquel if he starts talking about benzos like

Klonopin and Ativan, or the " Z " drugs like Ambien and Lunesta.

> >

> > I'm sorry that you are having such a hard time with the HC. Reading your

posts brings back some really bad memories for me. I hope that you resolve your

issues soon.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

How do you feel the next morning after using seroquel. I've read that there can

be some extreme grogginess. Some of the things I've read about seroquel concern

me.

5mg of ambien is'nt cutting it for me. I'm going to try 10mg tonight. This

probably won't work either. I don't have a problem falling asleep usually

(unless I take too much cortef in the PM), I have a problem with staying asleep.

My usual pattern is waking at 2:00am, then up the rest of the night. I've read

that ambien has a halflife of about 3 hrs. Lunesta has a halflife of 6 hrs.

though. I'm going to try this next.

A 24hr. growth hormone test came back. It shows I'm very low. Maybe this has

something to do with the sleep problem. I guess I'll have to supplement for

this. Probably will be another deadend with 2 steps backwards.

> > >

> > > Hi Jim, I can't help you with Cortef or Medrol dosing because I went

through exactly what you are going through with the Cortef completely destroying

my sleep patterns. After six disastrous months on it, and adding Medrol to it

too, I slowly, painfully weaned off. I was on Klonopin, Ambien, and Lunesta and

took Benadryl to help too, but all of the former are addictive, tolerance

forming, and supposedly bad for the endocrine system so I weaned off of them too

and added a low dose of Seroquel which I'm still on, two years later, because I

can't sleep without it. I'm not telling you to take any particular drug, but you

might want to ask your doc about Seroquel if he starts talking about benzos like

Klonopin and Ativan, or the " Z " drugs like Ambien and Lunesta.

> > >

> > > I'm sorry that you are having such a hard time with the HC. Reading your

posts brings back some really bad memories for me. I hope that you resolve your

issues soon.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim I sleep like a baby on HGH.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:10 PM

> ,

> How do you feel the next morning after using seroquel. I've

> read that there can be some extreme grogginess. Some of the

> things I've read about seroquel concern me.

>

> 5mg of ambien is'nt cutting it for me. I'm going to try

> 10mg tonight. This probably won't work either. I don't have

> a problem falling asleep usually (unless I take too much

> cortef in the PM), I have a problem with staying asleep. My

> usual pattern is waking at 2:00am, then up the rest of the

> night. I've read that ambien has a halflife of about 3 hrs.

> Lunesta has a halflife of 6 hrs. though. I'm going to try

> this next.

>

> A 24hr. growth hormone test came back. It shows I'm very

> low. Maybe this has something to do with the sleep problem.

> I guess I'll have to supplement for this. Probably will be

> another deadend with 2 steps backwards.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hi Jim, I can't help you with Cortef or

> Medrol dosing because I went through exactly what you are

> going through with the Cortef completely destroying my sleep

> patterns. After six disastrous months on it, and adding

> Medrol to it too, I slowly, painfully weaned off. I was on

> Klonopin, Ambien, and Lunesta and took Benadryl to help too,

> but all of the former are addictive, tolerance forming, and

> supposedly bad for the endocrine system so I weaned off of

> them too and added a low dose of Seroquel which I'm still

> on, two years later, because I can't sleep without it. I'm

> not telling you to take any particular drug, but you might

> want to ask your doc about Seroquel if he starts talking

> about benzos like Klonopin and Ativan, or the " Z " drugs like

> Ambien and Lunesta.

> > > >

> > > > I'm sorry that you are having such a hard

> time with the HC. Reading your posts brings back some really

> bad memories for me. I hope that you resolve your issues

> soon.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Jim I sleep like a baby on HGH.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

Phil,

There was talk about using GHRP-6 to get my GH level up. I don't know very much

about meds for GH. Is'nt HGH VERY expensive?

Jim

[Guest guest]

Yes but if your labs are showing your need it and your health care plain pays

for meds it will be covered I only pay $16/month. GHRP-6 is a lot less the what

it would cost me a month about $389 if it was not covered by my BCBS. Dr.

uses this you can see his price on it at this site www.allthingsmale.com

And there are a lot of threads about using it at his forum.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:37 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Jim I sleep like a baby on HGH.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Phil,

> There was talk about using GHRP-6 to get my GH level up. I

> don't know very much about meds for GH. Is'nt HGH VERY

> expensive?

> Jim

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes but if your labs are showing your need it and your health care plain pays

for meds it will be covered I only pay $16/month. GHRP-6 is a lot less the what

it would cost me a month about $389 if it was not covered by my BCBS. Dr.

uses this you can see his price on it at this site www.allthingsmale.com

> And there are a lot of threads about using it at his forum.

> http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

My drug plan sucks. There's no way my wife would let me spend $389 a month. Is

the GHRP-6 a decent substitute? It's OTC so it may be snake oil.

[Guest guest]

I don't think the good stuff is sold OTC here is a link to a thread about it at

Dr. 's if you want more info about it do a search at this forum.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3590 & highlight=GHRP-6

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 1:18 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Yes but if your labs are showing your need it and your

> health care plain pays for meds it will be covered I only

> pay $16/month.  GHRP-6 is a lot less the what it would

> cost me a month about $389 if it was not covered by my

> BCBS.  Dr. uses this you can see his price on it

> at this site www.allthingsmale.com

> > And there are a lot of threads about using it at his

> forum.

> > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

> My drug plan sucks. There's no way my wife would let me

> spend $389 a month. Is the GHRP-6 a decent substitute? It's

> OTC so it may be snake oil.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jim, at first, I did feel extremely groggy the morning after taking Seroquel but

I got used to it over time. I'm also on a very low dose - half of a 25mg pill

which is the lowest dose that you can take. I had the same problem that you did

- no problem falling asleep but waking up and not being able to fall back to

sleep. It started several years ago and was fairly mild but got much, much worse

after going on HC. Again, I'm not telling you to take any particular drug, but

it can't hurt to ask your doc about it.

> >

> > Jim I sleep like a baby on HGH.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Phil,

> There was talk about using GHRP-6 to get my GH level up. I don't know very

much about meds for GH. Is'nt HGH VERY expensive?

> Jim

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Jim, at first, I did feel extremely groggy the morning after taking Seroquel

but I got used to it over time. I'm also on a very low dose - half of a 25mg

pill which is the lowest dose that you can take. I had the same problem that

you did - no problem falling asleep but waking up and not being able to fall

back to sleep. It started several years ago and was fairly mild but got much,

much worse after going on HC. Again, I'm not telling you to take any particular

drug, but it can't hurt to ask your doc about it.

>

>

,

I'll be talking to my doctor today. I'll bring this up. Maybe I'll get just a

few to tryout.

Thanks,

Jim

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> > From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> > Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 1:18 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Yes but if your labs are showing your need it and your

> > health care plain pays for meds it will be covered I only

> > pay $16/month.  GHRP-6 is a lot less the what it would

> > cost me a month about $389 if it was not covered by my

> > BCBS.  Dr. uses this you can see his price on it

> > at this site www.allthingsmale.com

> > > And there are a lot of threads about using it at his

> > forum.

> > > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> >

> >

> >

> > My drug plan sucks. There's no way my wife would let me

> > spend $389 a month. Is the GHRP-6 a decent substitute? It's

> > OTC so it may be snake oil.

> >

Reading about GHRP-6 some, it seems this may be what I need to address a lot of

my problems.

Men at ATM seem to be taking the prescription form rather than mailorder. It

doesn't seem very expensive either. certainly no where near $389.

[Guest guest]

I talked to Hardasnails last night I told him you posted your Growth Hormone was

very low this might be why your not sleeping good he use's this GHRP-6.

I am not sure about the cost think it's very low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to

> medrol

> > >

> > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 1:18 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Yes but if your labs are showing your need

> it and your

> > > health care plain pays for meds it will be

> covered I only

> > > pay $16/month.  GHRP-6 is a lot less the what it

> would

> > > cost me a month about $389 if it was not covered

> by my

> > > BCBS.  Dr. uses this you can see his price

> on it

> > > at this site www.allthingsmale.com

> > > > And there are a lot of threads about using

> it at his

> > > forum.

> > > > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > My drug plan sucks. There's no way my wife would

> let me

> > > spend $389 a month. Is the GHRP-6 a decent

> substitute? It's

> > > OTC so it may be snake oil.

> > >

>

> Reading about GHRP-6 some, it seems this may be what I need

> to address a lot of my problems.

>

> Men at ATM seem to be taking the prescription form rather

> than mailorder. It doesn't seem very expensive either.

> certainly no where near $389.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am very new at this and am taking testrone gel. Now living in Mexico and

things do not work like I want and feel like crap all the time but stopped

testrone jel a couple of month ago. I would like to try injectable testrone

but I have no idea what HGH or medrol are or where to get it or the doses

required. Is there somewhere i can get more information.

From: virtuosa150@...

Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:37:49 +0000

Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Jim I sleep like a baby on HGH.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

Phil,

There was talk about using GHRP-6 to get my GH level up. I don't know very much

about meds for GH. Is'nt HGH VERY expensive?

Jim

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