Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

[Guest guest]

Jim are you seeing a Dr. did he tell you to stop your gel most men start on a

lower dose of gel here it is called Androgel or Testim men start on 5 grams and

most end up on a higher dose. Your stopping this is why your feeling like crap

you should have done more labs and if you were still low go up on the dose.

Do you have you last set of labs can you post them with the units and ranges.

As for how to do TRT go to Dr. 's site and read TRT: A Recipe for Success

and his HCG Update he puts this out there free for you and your Dr. see if you

can get your Dr. to work with him over the phone he dose this this way he can

tell your Dr. how to test and treat you. We are not about showing men how to

treat them self's don't even try doing this with out a good Dr.

www.allthingsmale.com

Medrol is a med for low cortisol levels from having Adrenal Fatigue.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Jim PacX <okcowboy87@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:38 AM

>

> I am very new at this and am taking testrone gel.  Now

> living in Mexico and things do not work like I want and feel

> like crap all the time but stopped testrone jel a couple of

> month ago.  I would like to try injectable 

> testrone but I have no idea what HGH or medrol are or where

> to get it or the doses required.  Is there somewhere i

> can get more information.

>

>

>

>

> From: virtuosa150@...

> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:37:49 +0000

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Jim I sleep like a baby on HGH.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Phil,

> There was talk about using GHRP-6 to get my GH level up. I

> don't know very much about meds for GH. Is'nt HGH VERY

> expensive?

> Jim

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>

> I talked to Hardasnails last night I told him you posted your Growth Hormone

was very low this might be why your not sleeping good he use's this GHRP-6.

>

> I am not sure about the cost think it's very low.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

Phil,

Probing around and asking on ATM, it seems the monthly cost would be $30. This

is a very small price to pay for a solution to my problems. This stuff almost

sounds too good to be true.

I'm just concerned that my adrenal functions are now so poor, that the addition

of the GHRP-6 will completely trash them beyond repair. My thyroid has issues

to, but I believe those can be fixed if the adrenals came back to life.

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I am very new at this and am taking testrone gel. Now living in Mexico and

things do not work like I want and feel like crap all the time but stopped

testrone jel a couple of month ago. I would like to try injectable testrone

but I have no idea what HGH or medrol are or where to get it or the doses

required. Is there somewhere i can get more information.

Jim,

You probably feel badly now because you stopped the T gel. You were probably on

enough of a dose to shut down your natural production. After stopping the gel,

you crashed big time.

You have to find a doctor that will run the proper drug tests and is willing to

prescribe T injectable.

HCH is for growth hormone deficiency and medrol is for adrenal insufficency.

These are problems that go way beyond a simple low testosterone problem. Many

times though, men with low T also have other issues with there hormones. There's

a battery of blood tests that will be needed. A good doctor must be found first.

[Guest guest]

Well I don't see this happening your not going to be taking Growth Hormone like

I am on and my Cortisol levels tested 2 weeks ago on GH went up from 12 to 15.

What might happen if you were doing my med is you could be on too much in your

dose and your sugar can fall at night when you sleep. Doing GHRP-6 your not

adding GH your taking something that is going to make your brain and body make

more so at best you will feel more normal on this then adding GH it's like

taking Testosterone meds your adding Testosterone to your body to little or to

much you don't feel right. But adding HCG makes your Testis make there own

Testosterone and you can't end up to high.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 12:09 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > I talked to Hardasnails last night I told him you

> posted your Growth Hormone was very low this might be why

> your not sleeping good he use's this GHRP-6.

> >

> > I am not sure about the cost think it's very low.

> >

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Phil,

> Probing around and asking on ATM, it seems the monthly cost

> would be $30. This is a very small price to pay for a

> solution to my problems. This stuff almost sounds too good

> to be true.

>

> I'm just concerned that my adrenal functions are now so

> poor, that the addition of the GHRP-6 will completely trash

> them beyond repair. My thyroid has issues to, but I believe

> those can be fixed if the adrenals came back to life.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I was living in New Mexico I had a very difficult time getting the Tgel my

testrone was at 268 and the dr said it was fine but i did not feel good. So I

had a friend that used Tgel and gave me some that he no longer used. He used

injections, I found out that it is so regulated in the states dr. script and ID

to pick it up along with singing for each script. Now living in Old Mexico near

GDL I can walk in to a pharmacy and buy it over the counter and they have

injectables that are available. I will start looking for a Dr. and any

suggestions is always welcome.

Jim

From: virtuosa150@...

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:16:07 +0000

Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

>

> I am very new at this and am taking testrone gel. Now living in Mexico and

things do not work like I want and feel like crap all the time but stopped

testrone jel a couple of month ago. I would like to try injectable testrone but

I have no idea what HGH or medrol are or where to get it or the doses required.

Is there somewhere i can get more information.

Jim,

You probably feel badly now because you stopped the T gel. You were probably on

enough of a dose to shut down your natural production. After stopping the gel,

you crashed big time.

You have to find a doctor that will run the proper drug tests and is willing to

prescribe T injectable.

HCH is for growth hormone deficiency and medrol is for adrenal insufficency.

These are problems that go way beyond a simple low testosterone problem. Many

times though, men with low T also have other issues with there hormones. There's

a battery of blood tests that will be needed. A good doctor must be found first.

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[Guest guest]

Yes Jim see a Dr. do some labs post your labs.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Jim PacX <okcowboy87@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 6:46 AM

>

> When I was living in New Mexico I had a very difficult time

> getting the Tgel my testrone was at 268 and the dr said it

> was fine but i did not feel good.  So I had a friend

> that used Tgel and gave me some that he no longer used. He

> used injections, I found out that it is so regulated in the

> states dr. script and ID to pick it up along with singing

> for each script.  Now living in Old Mexico near

> GDL  I can walk in to a pharmacy and buy it over the

> counter and they have injectables that are available. I will

> start looking for a Dr. and any suggestions is always

> welcome.

>

>

>

> Jim

>

>

>

>        

>

>

>

>

> From: virtuosa150@...

> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:16:07 +0000

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > I am very new at this and am taking testrone gel. Now

> living in Mexico and things do not work like I want and feel

> like crap all the time but stopped testrone jel a couple of

> month ago. I would like to try injectable testrone but I

> have no idea what HGH or medrol are or where to get it or

> the doses required. Is there somewhere i can get more

> information.

>

> Jim,

> You probably feel badly now because you stopped the T gel.

> You were probably on enough of a dose to shut down your

> natural production. After stopping the gel, you crashed big

> time.

>

> You have to find a doctor that will run the proper drug

> tests and is willing to prescribe T injectable.

>

> HCH is for growth hormone deficiency and medrol is for

> adrenal insufficency. These are problems that go way beyond

> a simple low testosterone problem. Many times though, men

> with low T also have other issues with there hormones.

> There's a battery of blood tests that will be needed. A good

> doctor must be found first.

>

>

>

>

>    

>         

>           

>  

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[Guest guest]

Jim Temps going up mean your thyroid is working better and taking HC can make

your Thyroid work better. To tell how our Adrenals are doing on HC taking your

temps when your up 3hrs every 3hrs 3x's a day then you add them up and div. by 3

this is your avg. if your avg. dose not go up or down day to day more then 2ths

your HC is working it's best.

Don't worry about the Vac. when you go on it this will make you feel better

everyone feels better on Vac. there is a lot less stress.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 7:16 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Well I don't see this happening your not going to be

> taking Growth Hormone like I am on and my Cortisol levels

> tested 2 weeks ago on GH went up from 12 to 15.  What

> might happen if you were doing my med is you could be on too

> much in your dose and your sugar can fall at night when you

> sleep.  Doing GHRP-6 your not adding GH your taking

> something that is going to make your brain and body make

> more so at best you will feel more normal on this then

> adding GH it's like taking Testosterone meds your adding

> Testosterone to your body to little or to much you don't

> feel right.  But adding HCG makes your Testis make

> there own Testosterone and you can't end up to high.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Phil,

>

> I just took my temp 2 times. It was 98.6. I ALWAYS rund

> between 97.2- 97.5. I don't know what to make of this. I'm

> going to start watching it closer.

>

> I feel ok other than being dog tired from not sleeping.

> Today I wasn't shaky at all. Maybe the cortef is starting to

> work. I've had days though where I didn't shake, and then

> the next day I feel like crap.

>

> The ambien isn't doing shit for my sleep. I did better I

> think taking a boatload of gaba, taurine and inositol before

> bed. This is the way I'm going. I've got some research

> ghrp-6 coming.

>

> I'm going away on vacation in 2 weeks. I don't want to be a

> bummer for everyone that's going to be there. I have to get

> this nailed down now.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not feeling well today at all. As of 1:42pm, I've taken 27.5mg cortef and

still feeling lousy. Some days are good some really bad. I don't know when this

will get better.

As for the vacation, my wife is very demanding of me waiting on her needs. When

we're there, she'll expect me to do most everything, as usual. I'm not able to

right now. She doesn't realize how she is. I try to ask her to back off, but she

doesn't. Then, I get angry at her. Last night I told her to f'off. She's showing

me furniture in a catalog that she wants me to make her. At that particular time

I was on the computer looking for information. I got the usual " oh your on the

computer again " . It got to a point where I exploded. She doesn't realize how bad

I am.

I've practically rebuilt the entire house, built her a nice room where see can

do her quilting, made her several large peices of furniture. Some of it I

surprised myself with the quality. I keep getting the I want more shit.

>

> Jim Temps going up mean your thyroid is working better and taking HC can make

your Thyroid work better. To tell how our Adrenals are doing on HC taking your

temps when your up 3hrs every 3hrs 3x's a day then you add them up and div. by 3

this is your avg. if your avg. dose not go up or down day to day more then 2ths

your HC is working it's best.

>

> Don't worry about the Vac. when you go on it this will make you feel better

everyone feels better on Vac. there is a lot less stress.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

> > Phil,

> >

> > I just took my temp 2 times. It was 98.6. I ALWAYS rund

> > between 97.2- 97.5. I don't know what to make of this. I'm

> > going to start watching it closer.

> >

> > I feel ok other than being dog tired from not sleeping.

> > Today I wasn't shaky at all. Maybe the cortef is starting to

> > work. I've had days though where I didn't shake, and then

> > the next day I feel like crap.

> >

> > The ambien isn't doing shit for my sleep. I did better I

> > think taking a boatload of gaba, taurine and inositol before

> > bed. This is the way I'm going. I've got some research

> > ghrp-6 coming.

> >

> > I'm going away on vacation in 2 weeks. I don't want to be a

> > bummer for everyone that's going to be there. I have to get

> > this nailed down now.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jim take it easy when you feel dam bad every thing gets magnified and seams

worse then it is. I can't tell you how many times I did this to my wife and

Kids when I was dam sick. At the time they did not understand how bad it was

for me. You need to take your wife with you to your Dr. let them tell her how

bad things can get for you. It helps when they hear if from a Dr.

I still have bad days the last two have been bad for me I come on here to keep

my mind off it. This helps and when we are sick and not our self's women think

your mad at them or don't love them anymore because they doing see how sick you

are if you feel off a roof and broke your leg they would take care of you and

not ask for anything. What we have can't be seen.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 1:56 PM

> I'm not feeling well today at all. As

> of 1:42pm, I've taken 27.5mg cortef and still feeling lousy.

> Some days are good some really bad. I don't know when this

> will get better.

>

> As for the vacation, my wife is very demanding of me

> waiting on her needs. When we're there, she'll expect me to

> do most everything, as usual. I'm not able to right now. She

> doesn't realize how she is. I try to ask her to back off,

> but she doesn't. Then, I get angry at her. Last night I told

> her to f'off. She's showing me furniture in a catalog that

> she wants me to make her. At that particular time I was on

> the computer looking for information. I got the usual " oh

> your on the computer again " . It got to a point where I

> exploded. She doesn't realize how bad I am.

>

> I've practically rebuilt the entire house, built her a nice

> room where see can do her quilting, made her several large

> peices of furniture. Some of it I surprised myself with the

> quality. I keep getting the I want more shit.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Jim Temps going up mean your thyroid is working better

> and taking HC can make your Thyroid work better.  To

> tell how our Adrenals are doing on HC taking your temps when

> your up 3hrs every 3hrs 3x's a day then you add them up and

> div. by 3 this is your avg. if your avg. dose not go up or

> down day to day more then 2ths your HC is working it's

> best.

> >

> > Don't worry about the Vac. when you go on it this will

> make you feel better everyone feels better on Vac. there is

> a lot less stress.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

> >

>

> > > Phil,

> > >

> > > I just took my temp 2 times. It was 98.6. I

> ALWAYS rund

> > > between 97.2- 97.5. I don't know what to make of

> this. I'm

> > > going to start watching it closer.

> > >

> > > I feel ok other than being dog tired from not

> sleeping.

> > > Today I wasn't shaky at all. Maybe the cortef is

> starting to

> > > work. I've had days though where I didn't shake,

> and then

> > > the next day I feel like crap.

> > >

> > > The ambien isn't doing shit for my sleep. I did

> better I

> > > think taking a boatload of gaba, taurine and

> inositol before

> > > bed. This is the way I'm going. I've got some

> research

> > > ghrp-6 coming.

> > >

> > > I'm going away on vacation in 2 weeks. I don't

> want to be a

> > > bummer for everyone that's going to be there. I

> have to get

> > > this nailed down now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Phil, Yeah I know, I have to try to calm down. Yesterday was a really bad day

for me. Today I don't feel so well. I stress dosed the shit out of the cortef,

but it wasn't working.

>

> Jim take it easy when you feel dam bad every thing gets magnified and seams

worse then it is. I can't tell you how many times I did this to my wife and

Kids when I was dam sick. At the time they did not understand how bad it was

for me. You need to take your wife with you to your Dr. let them tell her how

bad things can get for you. It helps when they hear if from a Dr.

>

> I still have bad days the last two have been bad for me I come on here to keep

my mind off it. This helps and when we are sick and not our self's women think

your mad at them or don't love them anymore because they doing see how sick you

are if you feel off a roof and broke your leg they would take care of you and

not ask for anything. What we have can't be seen.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jim, I am sorry you are not feeling well--can you describe in more detail your

symptoms? When I went high in cortisol (now weaning off) I was in a rage all the

time...severe, inappropriate anger...hating everyone cause everyone just P*ssed

me off LOL!. ..could not seem to find the humor in stooopid stuff, taking self

and others way too seriously, lots of mood issues..similiar to your reactions to

wife as you described.

I am concerned what you are *stress* dosing for..it can be a challenge to find

your personal feel-better dose, however, stress dosing would 'typically' be done

upon hearing bad news (death etc of loved one), having a car wreck, illness like

flu coming on...potentially you are taking more than your body needs and are

suffering the effects of high cotisol (same symptoms as low, so challenging to

figure out)....

also, HC *may* lower estrogen, do you have some of those types of symptoms

coming back? EL

> >

> > Jim take it easy when you feel dam bad every thing gets magnified and seams

worse then it is. I can't tell you how many times I did this to my wife and

Kids when I was dam sick. At the time they did not understand how bad it was

for me. You need to take your wife with you to your Dr. let them tell her how

bad things can get for you. It helps when they hear if from a Dr.

> >

> > I still have bad days the last two have been bad for me I come on here to

keep my mind off it. This helps and when we are sick and not our self's women

think your mad at them or don't love them anymore because they doing see how

sick you are if you feel off a roof and broke your leg they would take care of

you and not ask for anything. What we have can't be seen.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How much a day on avg. are you doing of HC and what kind do you have I don't use

the generic brand it is not the same from refill to refill some are weaking then

others I use Cortef.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 1:34 PM

> Phil, Yeah I know, I have to try to

> calm down. Yesterday was a really bad day for me. Today I

> don't feel so well. I stress dosed the shit out of the

> cortef, but it wasn't working.

>

>

>

> >

> > Jim take it easy when you feel dam bad every thing

> gets magnified and seams worse then it is.  I can't

> tell you how many times I did this to my wife and Kids when

> I was dam sick.  At the time they did not understand

> how bad it was for me.  You need to take your wife with

> you to your Dr. let them tell her how bad things can get for

> you.  It helps when they hear if from a Dr.

> >

> > I still have bad days the last two have been bad for

> me I come on here to keep my mind off it.  This helps

> and when we are sick and not our self's women think your mad

> at them or don't love them anymore because they doing see

> how sick you are if you feel off a roof and broke your leg

> they would take care of you and not ask for anything. 

> What we have can't be seen.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Usually 27.5mg of cortef gets me through the day if things are too bad.

Yesterday I don't know how much i took. i was popping it like it was pez.

Today, I'm at 30mg and not feeling that well. I don't want to take anymore. i

won't be able to get to sleep if I do.

> > >

> > > Jim take it easy when you feel dam bad every thing

> > gets magnified and seams worse then it is.  I can't

> > tell you how many times I did this to my wife and Kids when

> > I was dam sick.  At the time they did not understand

> > how bad it was for me.  You need to take your wife with

> > you to your Dr. let them tell her how bad things can get for

> > you.  It helps when they hear if from a Dr.

> > >

> > > I still have bad days the last two have been bad for

> > me I come on here to keep my mind off it.  This helps

> > and when we are sick and not our self's women think your mad

> > at them or don't love them anymore because they doing see

> > how sick you are if you feel off a roof and broke your leg

> > they would take care of you and not ask for anything. 

> > What we have can't be seen.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Jim, I am sorry you are not feeling well--can you describe in more detail your

symptoms? When I went high in cortisol (now weaning off) I was in a rage all the

time...severe, inappropriate anger...hating everyone cause everyone just P*ssed

me off LOL!. ..could not seem to find the humor in stooopid stuff, taking self

and others way too seriously, lots of mood issues..similiar to your reactions to

wife as you described.

>

> I am concerned what you are *stress* dosing for..it can be a challenge to find

your personal feel-better dose, however, stress dosing would 'typically' be done

upon hearing bad news (death etc of loved one), having a car wreck, illness like

flu coming on...potentially you are taking more than your body needs and are

suffering the effects of high cotisol (same symptoms as low, so challenging to

figure out)....

>

> also, HC *may* lower estrogen, do you have some of those types of symptoms

coming back? EL

El,

I think it was you as discribing the low cortisol as " virating " . When I get just

a little stressed, or a little anxious for no reason, I start feeling like this.

I've been dosing my usual :

10mg 5:00am

7.5mg 8:30 am

5mg 12:00pm

2.5mg 3:30pm

I then add extra about an hour after a dose if I'm not feeling better. It just

seems I can't handle any stress anymore. Ever since i was put on the iodoral,

i've had real problems. That fried my adrenals.

Does a person shake if they take too much cortef? The only symptom that was

relieved whe my E2 went up as eleviation of joint aches. I don't really have

this presently.

[Guest guest]

Jim are you still on Iodine? It can be very hard on adrenals..IMO, stop iodoral!

important to get adrenals in shape first (if they were the main

problem)....wasn't me with the *vibration* however, everyone is different. Many

shake from the adrenaline or from very low cortisol...if you are feeling worse

on HC than before it may be the wrong dose or adding too much (Iodoral etc) else

to the mix too fast?

...I think you are over medicating the HC (bad as under med)...too much HC can

make your moods very volatile....were you prescribed 20mg or 25mg? You are front

loading the HC just a bit (most before noon)...IMO, I would not, as you say " add

extra after a dose*...that would be adding way more to the day...and putting you

into high cortisol range (thus the moods/anger etc.)..EL

" Jim said " : I think it was you as discribing the low cortisol as " virating " .

When I get just a little stressed, or a little anxious for no reason, I start

feeling like this. I've been dosing my usual :

> 10mg 5:00am

> 7.5mg 8:30 am

> 5mg 12:00pm

> 2.5mg 3:30pm

>

> I then add extra about an hour after a dose if I'm not feeling better. It just

seems I can't handle any stress anymore. Ever since i was put on the iodoral,

i've had real problems. That fried my adrenals. "

[Guest guest]

El,

No I'm not on the iodoral. Haven't been for about 2 months. I was only on it for

about a week. I saw that my system couldn't handle it. It at this time I started

having the severe problems with the adrenals. ever since then my I've had

adrenal problems.

I could possibly be front loading too much HC. Tommorrow I'll try:

7.5- 5:00am

5.0- 9:00am

5.0- 1:00pm

2.5- 4:00pm

I am quite volatile these days. Maybe too much HC, but I thought it was too

little HC. I've been told I could use as much as 40mg/ day if needed.

Today I'm only slightly shaky, but anxious. Driving into work this morning I was

getting like panic attacks about cars possibly cutting me out and weird things

like that. I really don't know what's happening to me. I feel very strange.

Jim

>

> Jim are you still on Iodine? It can be very hard on adrenals..IMO, stop

iodoral! important to get adrenals in shape first (if they were the main

problem)....wasn't me with the *vibration* however, everyone is different. Many

shake from the adrenaline or from very low cortisol...if you are feeling worse

on HC than before it may be the wrong dose or adding too much (Iodoral etc) else

to the mix too fast?

>

> ..I think you are over medicating the HC (bad as under med)...too much HC can

make your moods very volatile....were you prescribed 20mg or 25mg? You are front

loading the HC just a bit (most before noon)...IMO, I would not, as you say " add

extra after a dose*...that would be adding way more to the day...and putting you

into high cortisol range (thus the moods/anger etc.)..EL

>

[Guest guest]

Jim people in stress from surgery or the death of a loved one there Cortisol

levels can fly up over 200. What we are worried about is your having to stress

dose so much and if your doing more then 40 mgs a day this can shut down your

Adrenals read this link.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15462

When one is having an Adrenal Crisis they feel weak, shake and get sick to there

stomach.

http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

Now one more thing some people when they take HC it gets killed in there stomach

and they feel like they are not on enough. One way to test this is to take your

morning dose of HC then do a morning fasting blood Cortisol test if you show a

level of Cortisol my last test was 15 on 30 mgs /day this says I am not on to

much HC and not shutting down my Adrenals. And If I needed more it would be

safe to go higher. Talk to your Dr. or Hard about this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 7:59 PM

>

>

>

> >

> > Jim, I am sorry you are not feeling well--can you

> describe in more detail your symptoms? When I went high in

> cortisol (now weaning off) I was in a rage all the

> time...severe, inappropriate anger...hating everyone cause

> everyone just P*ssed me off LOL!. ..could not seem to find

> the humor in stooopid stuff, taking self and others way too

> seriously, lots of mood issues..similiar to your reactions

> to wife as you described.

> >

> > I am concerned what you are *stress* dosing for..it

> can be a challenge to find your personal feel-better dose,

> however, stress dosing would 'typically' be done upon

> hearing bad news (death etc of loved one), having a car

> wreck, illness like flu coming on...potentially you are

> taking more than your body needs and are suffering the

> effects of high cotisol (same symptoms as low, so

> challenging to figure out)....

> >

> > also, HC *may* lower estrogen, do you have some of

> those types of symptoms coming back? EL

>

> El,

> I think it was you as discribing the low cortisol as

> " virating " . When I get just a little stressed, or a little

> anxious for no reason, I start feeling like this. I've been

> dosing my usual :

> 10mg 5:00am

> 7.5mg 8:30 am

> 5mg 12:00pm

> 2.5mg 3:30pm

>

> I then add extra about an hour after a dose if I'm not

> feeling better. It just seems I can't handle any stress

> anymore. Ever since i was put on the iodoral, i've had real

> problems. That fried my adrenals.

>

> Does a person shake if they take too much cortef? The only

> symptom that was relieved whe my E2 went up as eleviation of

> joint aches. I don't really have this presently.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Jim people in stress from surgery or the death of a loved one there Cortisol

levels can fly up over 200. What we are worried about is your having to stress

dose so much and if your doing more then 40 mgs a day this can shut down your

Adrenals read this link.

> http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15462

>

> When one is having an Adrenal Crisis they feel weak, shake and get sick to

there stomach.

> http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

>

> Now one more thing some people when they take HC it gets killed in there

stomach and they feel like they are not on enough. One way to test this is to

take your morning dose of HC then do a morning fasting blood Cortisol test if

you show a level of Cortisol my last test was 15 on 30 mgs /day this says I am

not on to much HC and not shutting down my Adrenals. And If I needed more it

would be safe to go higher. Talk to your Dr. or Hard about this.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

Phil,

Probably the highest I've gone in one day is about 32.5mg cortef.Maybe I'm

taking too much. I don't know at this point. All I know is I feel lousy.

I'll talk to Dr.O about the test, but I can't have it done for awhile. Work is

too busy this week. Today I just feel dizzy, like I'm a second too slow.

Now I'm told that my DHEA level is undetectable. This makes DHEA, GH, Cortisol,

vitamin D all very low, as well as hypothyroid. It's a wonder my brain hasn't

shut down.

[Guest guest]

Jim it can be your Estradiol is to high doing this I get like this when my

Estradiol is to high. My Dr. also has me on a low dose of Xanax .25 mgs when

things get real bad I take this it helps.

You need to try to find a way to relax I do this every morning and later after

dinner about 8pm.

http://hrop.ucop.edu/employees/eap/relaxation.html

Co.'s and Hosp. have rooms for this so people can go into them and do this. It

takes a little time to get good at doing this but helps big time. You can even

do this in the bath room at work.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 9:50 AM

>

> El,

> No I'm not on the iodoral. Haven't been for about 2 months.

> I was only on it for about a week. I saw that my system

> couldn't handle it. It at this time I started having the

> severe problems with the adrenals. ever since then my I've

> had adrenal problems.

>

> I could possibly be front loading too much HC. Tommorrow

> I'll try:

> 7.5- 5:00am

> 5.0- 9:00am

> 5.0- 1:00pm

> 2.5- 4:00pm

>

> I am quite volatile these days. Maybe too much HC, but I

> thought it was too little HC. I've been told I could use as

> much as 40mg/ day if needed.

>

> Today I'm only slightly shaky, but anxious. Driving into

> work this morning I was getting like panic attacks about

> cars possibly cutting me out and weird things like that. I

> really don't know what's happening to me. I feel very

> strange.

> Jim

>

>

>

> >

> > Jim are you still on Iodine? It can be very hard on

> adrenals..IMO, stop iodoral! important to get adrenals in

> shape first (if they were the main problem)....wasn't me

> with the *vibration* however, everyone is different. Many

> shake from the adrenaline or from very low cortisol...if you

> are feeling worse on HC than before it may be the wrong dose

> or adding too much (Iodoral etc) else to the mix too fast?

> >

> > ..I think you are over medicating the HC (bad as under

> med)...too much HC can make your moods very volatile....were

> you prescribed 20mg or 25mg? You are front loading the HC

> just a bit (most before noon)...IMO, I would not, as you say

> " add extra after a dose*...that would be adding way more to

> the day...and putting you into high cortisol range (thus the

> moods/anger etc.)..EL

>

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I went to the gym for the first time in 3 months today got there at 11:30am

worked out worm up to cool down 90 min.'s. And I cut back big time on my load

driving home I was shaking and felt dam weak. I eat lunch and take 10 mgs of HC

in 15 min's I am fine again.

I don't feel your taking to much HC at this dose and I feel your eating it up as

fast as your taking it. Is your HC the generic or is it called Cortef.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:36 AM

>

>

>

> >

> > Jim people in stress from surgery or the death of a

> loved one there Cortisol levels can fly up over 200. 

> What we are worried about is your having to stress dose so

> much and if your doing more then 40 mgs a day this can shut

> down your Adrenals read this link.

> > http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15462

> >

> > When one is having an Adrenal Crisis they feel weak,

> shake and get sick to there stomach.

> > http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

> >

> > Now one more thing some people when they take HC it

> gets killed in there stomach and they feel like they are not

> on enough.  One way to test this is to take your

> morning dose of HC then do a morning fasting blood Cortisol

> test if you show a level of Cortisol my last test was 15 on

> 30 mgs /day this says I am not on to much HC and not

> shutting down my Adrenals.  And If I needed more it

> would be safe to go higher.  Talk to your Dr. or Hard

> about this.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

> Phil,

> Probably the highest I've gone in one day is about 32.5mg

> cortef.Maybe I'm taking too much. I don't know at this

> point. All I know is I feel lousy.

>

> I'll talk to Dr.O about the test, but I can't have it done

> for awhile. Work is too busy this week. Today I just feel

> dizzy, like I'm a second too slow.

>

> Now I'm told that my DHEA level is undetectable. This makes

> DHEA, GH, Cortisol, vitamin D all very low, as well as

> hypothyroid. It's a wonder my brain hasn't shut down.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm taking cortef.

Right now it's about 4:00pm. I don't feel too bad. I started feeling better

after I ate lunch. I'll have to look at my glucose tommorrow if I should feel

bad.

I know what hypoglycemia feels like. This is different. I feel shaky and

panicky. Maybe my E2 is up. As you may know, I've had a hell of a time with real

low E2, so I don't know what high E2 feels like. My nipples don't feel swollen

though. I never get much wood so that gage is out. I'm hoping if I do go on

GHRP-6, this will give back some wood, as well as general decent health.

>

> I went to the gym for the first time in 3 months today got there at 11:30am

worked out worm up to cool down 90 min.'s. And I cut back big time on my load

driving home I was shaking and felt dam weak. I eat lunch and take 10 mgs of HC

in 15 min's I am fine again.

>

> I don't feel your taking to much HC at this dose and I feel your eating it up

as fast as your taking it. Is your HC the generic or is it called Cortef.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you have low blood sugar (hypoglycemia). There are two types.

" Fasting type " , when you can get the symptoms you describe after not eating for

a period of time.....And there is also " reactive type " which occurs soon after

eating. I would ask your doctor to run a 5 hour glucose tolerance test.

Sounds like you blood sugar is dropping low which can cause a whole number of

symptoms...when I had it years ago, I would get shakey, irritable, a vibrating

or shakey feeling inside at my core, sometimes very low energy, unable to stay

awake. I'd eat and within 10 to 15 minutes feel fine.

Hope this helps.

> > >

> > > Jim people in stress from surgery or the death of a

> > loved one there Cortisol levels can fly up over 200. 

> > What we are worried about is your having to stress dose so

> > much and if your doing more then 40 mgs a day this can shut

> > down your Adrenals read this link.

> > > http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15462

> > >

> > > When one is having an Adrenal Crisis they feel weak,

> > shake and get sick to there stomach.

> > > http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

> > >

> > > Now one more thing some people when they take HC it

> > gets killed in there stomach and they feel like they are not

> > on enough.  One way to test this is to take your

> > morning dose of HC then do a morning fasting blood Cortisol

> > test if you show a level of Cortisol my last test was 15 on

> > 30 mgs /day this says I am not on to much HC and not

> > shutting down my Adrenals.  And If I needed more it

> > would be safe to go higher.  Talk to your Dr. or Hard

> > about this.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> >

> > Phil,

> > Probably the highest I've gone in one day is about 32.5mg

> > cortef.Maybe I'm taking too much. I don't know at this

> > point. All I know is I feel lousy.

> >

> > I'll talk to Dr.O about the test, but I can't have it done

> > for awhile. Work is too busy this week. Today I just feel

> > dizzy, like I'm a second too slow.

> >

> > Now I'm told that my DHEA level is undetectable. This makes

> > DHEA, GH, Cortisol, vitamin D all very low, as well as

> > hypothyroid. It's a wonder my brain hasn't shut down.

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I do have low blood sugar going on HC meds helped this a lot but it could be

what makes me feel like this. I know I feel it when I wake and need to eat eggs

to keep my sugar up. I feel much better about one hr. after I eat in the

morning. I don't take extra HC I go work out at 11:30am so when I get home it's

time for my next dose of HC.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Jim <jamesjensen1068@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 5:43 PM

> Sounds like you have low blood sugar

> (hypoglycemia).  There are two types.  " Fasting

> type " , when you can get the symptoms you describe after not

> eating for a period of time.....And there is also " reactive

> type " which occurs soon after eating.  I would ask your

> doctor to run a 5 hour glucose tolerance test.

>

> Sounds like you blood sugar is dropping low which can cause

> a whole number of symptoms...when I had it years ago, I

> would get shakey, irritable, a vibrating or shakey feeling

> inside at my core, sometimes very low energy, unable to stay

> awake.  I'd eat and within 10 to 15 minutes feel fine.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Jim people in stress from surgery or the

> death of a

> > > loved one there Cortisol levels can fly up over

> 200. 

> > > What we are worried about is your having to

> stress dose so

> > > much and if your doing more then 40 mgs a day

> this can shut

> > > down your Adrenals read this link.

> > > > http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15462

> > > >

> > > > When one is having an Adrenal Crisis they

> feel weak,

> > > shake and get sick to there stomach.

> > > > http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

> > > >

> > > > Now one more thing some people when they

> take HC it

> > > gets killed in there stomach and they feel like

> they are not

> > > on enough.  One way to test this is to take

> your

> > > morning dose of HC then do a morning fasting

> blood Cortisol

> > > test if you show a level of Cortisol my last test

> was 15 on

> > > 30 mgs /day this says I am not on to much HC and

> not

> > > shutting down my Adrenals.  And If I needed more

> it

> > > would be safe to go higher.  Talk to your Dr. or

> Hard

> > > about this.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > > Phil,

> > > Probably the highest I've gone in one day is

> about 32.5mg

> > > cortef.Maybe I'm taking too much. I don't know at

> this

> > > point. All I know is I feel lousy.

> > >

> > > I'll talk to Dr.O about the test, but I can't

> have it done

> > > for awhile. Work is too busy this week. Today I

> just feel

> > > dizzy, like I'm a second too slow.

> > >

> > > Now I'm told that my DHEA level is undetectable.

> This makes

> > > DHEA, GH, Cortisol, vitamin D all very low, as

> well as

> > > hypothyroid. It's a wonder my brain hasn't shut

> down.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Maybe, but I don't think so. I'm going to start carrying my glucose monitor for

a while. I certainly know what hypoglycemia feels like. I had it for years befor

i learned how to eat.

In fact, just thinking about it, I was feeling really bad saturday, I did check

my sugar it was 137. I had eaten shortly before this.

It's either a result of low or high HC use with possibly elevated E2.

Take care,

Jim

>

> Sounds like you have low blood sugar (hypoglycemia). There are two types.

" Fasting type " , when you can get the symptoms you describe after not eating for

a period of time.....And there is also " reactive type " which occurs soon after

eating. I would ask your doctor to run a 5 hour glucose tolerance test.

>

> Sounds like you blood sugar is dropping low which can cause a whole number of

symptoms...when I had it years ago, I would get shakey, irritable, a vibrating

or shakey feeling inside at my core, sometimes very low energy, unable to stay

awake. I'd eat and within 10 to 15 minutes feel fine.

>

> Hope this helps.

[Guest guest]

Phil, how does eating eggs keep your sugar up; eggs have no carborhydrates???

From: pmgamer18@...

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:27:48 -0700

Subject: Re: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

I do have low blood sugar going on HC meds helped this a lot but it could

be what makes me feel like this. I know I feel it when I wake and need to eat

eggs to keep my sugar up. I feel much better about one hr. after I eat in the

morning. I don't take extra HC I go work out at 11:30am so when I get home it's

time for my next dose of HC.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Jim <jamesjensen1068@...>

> Subject: Re: Hopefully changing to medrol

>

> Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 5:43 PM

> Sounds like you have low blood sugar

> (hypoglycemia). There are two types. " Fasting

> type " , when you can get the symptoms you describe after not

> eating for a period of time.....And there is also " reactive

> type " which occurs soon after eating. I would ask your

> doctor to run a 5 hour glucose tolerance test.

>

> Sounds like you blood sugar is dropping low which can cause

> a whole number of symptoms...when I had it years ago, I

> would get shakey, irritable, a vibrating or shakey feeling

> inside at my core, sometimes very low energy, unable to stay

> awake. I'd eat and within 10 to 15 minutes feel fine.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Jim people in stress from surgery or the

> death of a

> > > loved one there Cortisol levels can fly up over

> 200.

> > > What we are worried about is your having to

> stress dose so

> > > much and if your doing more then 40 mgs a day

> this can shut

> > > down your Adrenals read this link.

> > > > http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=15462

> > > >

> > > > When one is having an Adrenal Crisis they

> feel weak,

> > > shake and get sick to there stomach.

> > > > http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

> > > >

> > > > Now one more thing some people when they

> take HC it

> > > gets killed in there stomach and they feel like

> they are not

> > > on enough. One way to test this is to take

> your

> > > morning dose of HC then do a morning fasting

> blood Cortisol

> > > test if you show a level of Cortisol my last test

> was 15 on

> > > 30 mgs /day this says I am not on to much HC and

> not

> > > shutting down my Adrenals. And If I needed more

> it

> > > would be safe to go higher. Talk to your Dr. or

> Hard

> > > about this.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > > Phil,

> > > Probably the highest I've gone in one day is

> about 32.5mg

> > > cortef.Maybe I'm taking too much. I don't know at

> this

> > > point. All I know is I feel lousy.

> > >

> > > I'll talk to Dr.O about the test, but I can't

> have it done

> > > for awhile. Work is too busy this week. Today I

> just feel

> > > dizzy, like I'm a second too slow.

> > >

> > > Now I'm told that my DHEA level is undetectable.

> This makes

> > > DHEA, GH, Cortisol, vitamin D all very low, as

> well as

> > > hypothyroid. It's a wonder my brain hasn't shut

> down.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >